WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[wilwarin538]

Nog, even if Sam protected Lhuna, she may not have been the target! Sam could easily have protected Lhuna, who is actually Shelob, and then Shelob attacked Sam. There is no reason to think Lhuna is definitely innocent.

edit: though I don't see her as necessarily being evil either. I have no idea.

[the phantom]

Seriously, short on time here. Out of time for producing points, as they will not have time to be read and considered.

[Boromir88]

I don't think you are today, but you appeared to be saying that yesterday, hence my Spiderling belief. Don't blame me for you acting like you were stung.

But I can blame you for not knowing your 70's music!

[Nogrod]

Wilwa: I do not say lhuna is definitively innocent, but she's the best we have for a non-baddie (i mean anyone could be Shelob).

And Boro voting her is odd indeed in regards to that.

[wilwarin538]

Alright, I don't want to get another name on the list.

I won't vote Lottie, cause I'm inclined to trust her. I don't want to vote phantom. I have no opinion on Zil or Bom. And Lhuna is a total enigma to me. So I have no idea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But I can blame you for not knowing your 70's music!

Nobody does, sweetums. Just me.

[Nogrod]

I'd say Bom or Boro.

[Inziladun]

++Bom

[Nogrod]

++ Bom

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa: I do not say lhuna is definitively innocent, but she's the best we have for a non-baddie (i mean anyone could be Shelob).


To me, she is no different than anyone else.

++Lhuna

I don't know what else to do. And I like irony.

[the phantom]

Okay, whatever. If I end up dead, all but two of you will be quite sorry indeed.

++Bom

EDIT: wow, quite a x-post, with everyone except Inzil

[Boromir88]

I've sent the tally of...

Bom - 4
tp - 2
Lhuna - 2

on to sally. Just so we're on the same page

[the phantom]

Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)
Boro ++ Lhuna
Inzil ++ Bom (2)
Nog ++ Bom (3)
Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2)
TP ++ Bom (4)

edit: x-post of tallies *facepalm*

[satansaloser2005]

Bom rushed along a cave wall, looking for a hole, a crack, anywhere to hide. From them.

"Get him! He'll kill us all!" he heard from behind him.

"I didn't do it! I hate spiders!"

"All the more reason for one of them to attack you, isn't it?"

"Yeah! They'd just attack you out of spite!"

"I didn't- Wait, what?" Bom said, stopping just long enough to turn back and cock his head. "That doesn't even make any- Oh no!"

They'd caught up to him. In retrospect, when trying to sneak off, he probably should have removed his bright yellow boots.

All of them seemed to come at once, knocking him to the ground and pinning him down.

"Count the legs. Quick, count them! Pull them off if you have to...."

"I only have two," he whimpered, trying to kick the appendages in question to prove his point. "Please don't....please don't hurt me."

"One!"

"Two!"

"Thr- Oh. Um, that was his head. Sorry."



Remaining:
Wilwa
Lhuna
Dun
Shasta
Nog
Boro
Phantom
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Dead, escaped, or otherwise no longer here:
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrew from life)
Bom (ordo, lynched Day 2)

[satansaloser2005]

The glow was gone tonight. Excellent.

Shelob carefully rose to her feet, creeping around and over the sleeping bodies of those around her. There, before her, was a neck that looked particularly vulnerable. Yes, she thought to herself, this will do for a start. She lowered herself beside them, running one of her feelers through their hair, then she struck. The victim lurched awake, but passed out from the pain before they could even scream. Finished with her business, Shelob returned to her place, the only evidence left of her acts two small red marks.



Alive:

Nog
Fea
Dun
Boro
Lhuna
Lottie
Nerwen
Phantom
Shasta


Gone:
Glirdan (ordo)
Nienna (ordo)
Bom (ordo)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sorry for not being around yesterday - college graduation (no, I didn't graduate myself, but I was still busy).

In any case, what was with the Bom wagon yesterday? I've reread it twice and still don't understand it.

[the phantom]

No idea about the Bom wagon, Shasta. I pretty much just went with it because I wanted to save my skin.

And Boro- I never for a minute considered THAT was what you were up to with those comments, as given the "no reveals & no false reveals" rule I assumed that anything along those lines that was most definitely a hint towards one particular role was illegal.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

According to my personally crafted game rules, it is completely acceptable for me to claim any role I want. Fea for President!

[the phantom]

All right then, just to make it so that anyone else can do so without appearing to be claiming something-

-if I inspected two people for Stings, then I inspected Wilwa and Lottie and found that they had not been stung.

There. Now everyone else can follow that formula, including the real Doctor, and maybe we can gain some info.

[satansaloser2005]

No more of these hypotheticals. It's getting silly.


Also, watch the hints. You know who you are, and I see what you(s) did there.

[satansaloser2005]

SHENANIGANS!

I haven't seen a youtube video in Days. Harrumph.

[Loslote]

SHENANIGANS!

I haven't seen a youtube video in Days. Harrumph.

Alright, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZUPCB9533Y) alright! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=714-Ioa4XQw&feature=related)

But in all seriousness, we have what? Shelob and two Spiderlings now? Or just the one Spiderling still?

[the phantom]

But in all seriousness, we have what? Shelob and two Spiderlings now? Or just the one Spiderling still?
We're probably here-
1-1-1-6

Shelob, Spiderling, Been-Stung innocent, six unstung innocents.

[Loslote]

We're probably here-
1-1-1-6

Shelob, Spiderling, Been-Stung innocent, six unstung innocents.

And the Been-Stung is trying to tell us who xe is, right? So would the best method be just to lynch whoever looks the most suspicious toDay?

[Inziladun]

In any case, what was with the Bom wagon yesterday? I've reread it twice and still don't understand it.

What put Bom in the lead for me had to do with how I felt about two others. I was leaning toward trusting Lhuna, and she went for Bom. I also felt better about Wilwa that I did about most others, and she was defending Boro, who was my other top pick.

I might look at Nerwen if I get a chance. She doesn't seem to be as aggressive in her baddie-hunting as I've grown accustomed.

[the phantom]

And the Been-Stung is trying to tell us who xe is, right? So would the best method be just to lynch whoever looks the most suspicious toDay?
Yes to the first question, but I dunno about that second question... I mean- if we always lynch the last to be stung, we'll never get to the actual Spiderling, nor Shelob, and she's really the only important target.

[Loslote]

Yes to the first question, but I dunno about that second question... I mean- if we always lynch the last to be stung, we'll never get to the actual Spiderling, nor Shelob, and she's really the only important target.

If we kill Shelob toDay, the Spiderling doesn't become Shelob in her stead anymore, does it? In that case, I'd suggest going after Zil. I'm almost certain he's evil. I don't know whether he's Shelob or Spiderling, but either way, I'm pretty sure we'd be better off lynching him. Again, no solid evidence, but you can read it out of his posts when he's evil.

[satansaloser2005]

If Shelob dies toDay, the game is over.

[Inziladun]

Looking at Nerwen wasn't nearly as productive as I'd hoped. There was a lot of banter, true, but the same could be said for many, including myself. She's made some points, and I guess what's struck me is that she hasn't been around a great deal, and as I said doesn't seem as aggressive as normal. She did mention some RL stuff, however. No vote from her Day 1, and a vote for tp yesterDay.

A throwaway vote from a spiderling would be foolish, I think, since the baddies want to reduce the number of innocents as quickly as possible. I could see Shelob hiding behind a throwaway quite easily, though.

All that's to say that there really isn't anything concrete against Nerwen, beyond the vote yesterDay. I don't think she's a likely spiderling, but Shelob can't be ruled out.

[wilwarin538]

Alrighty, so toDay is going to be just dreadful for me. I am now going to sleep, and I go to work again first thing in the morning, and my shift is done about 1 hour before DL. So you'll get this post, and then I'll be around for the last hour of the Day. I'm sorry I can't do any more than that.

I'm still totally confused by this game. Mainly because I still would really like to know for sure whether there is a spiderling or not, but I get the feeling that we shall never get clarification on that one.

I'm going to remain confused about Boro, I honestly have no idea about him either way, and it's frustrating. Everyone else looks guilty. First couple Days of any game usually everyone looks innocent to me. Then right around now everyone starts looking terribly guilty. I just don't know where to start, and I'm exhausted and need to sleep and have no time to look into anyone. :confused: I really wish I could be more useful.

I'll be back tomorrow, maybe I can hop on quickly before work.

[Nerwen]

Looking at Nerwen wasn't nearly as productive as I'd hoped. There was a lot of banter, true, but the same could be said for many, including myself. She's made some points, and I guess what's struck me is that she hasn't been around a great deal, and as I said doesn't seem as aggressive as normal. She did mention some RL stuff, however.
Sorry, I'll try to be a bit more active from now on.

[Lhunardawen]

Two last-minute bandwagons, two dead unstung innocents.

For lack of any better ideas, right now those who are involved in both of these are looking worst to me. That's Nogrod and the phantom at least, to my recollection.

But honestly, in all the games I've played I've never felt so in the dark (hahaha) on a Day 3.

[Nerwen]

Really not an easy game to keep track of, this.

These are a few of my favourite enigmas...

1. Phantom's Sam scheme.

The ostensible reason was so we could be sure ifLhuna had been Sam's cure-target. All right. What strikes me about this scheme is that it was more-or-less guaranteed to occupy the village's attention without posing much threat to the Spider(s)– as I said yesterDay, it could not even give us a known innocent. It is possible phantom believed he knew Sam's identity already, and was try to give him a cover under which he could communicate. It is also possible phantlob or phantling sought to draw Sam out.

2. The Bomwaggon
This was not nearly as unreasoned as the Glirdywaggon– however, to echo Lhuna, it's kind of interesting that both Nog and tp show up in both.

3. Fea's vote on phantom
Reasoning: "Love you tons, sweetums." Had previously declared Boro "probably evil" and announced her intention of voting for him.

4. Fea in general
Yes, there's been a lot of banter in this game. She's so far posted only banter. Nobody seems to care, either.

5. Wilwa's insistance on voting Lhuna
And I mean insistance. She gave no real reason, but she wouldn't be dissuaded, either.

On the other hand, we also have–
6. Nog's insistance that Lhuna was a "known innocent"
True, she's probably not a Spiderling (not certain, though). That's not the same thing.

My vote on phantom
An excellently reasoned and altogether impeccable vote. Clearly innocent.:p

[wilwarin538]

Have about 2 minutes then off to work.

Nerwen, I wouldn't say I was insistent. Maybe about not thinking it a good idea to kill phantom, who at the time I was pretty sure to be innocent (now I don't know). I was really just trying to decide who else I could vote for out of those who had votes, and the way Nog seemed to think that Lhuna seems more innocent than anyone else, when to me she doesn't at all, just made her stand out more to me than the other options. So I went with her.

I should hopefully be around for the last hour of the Day.

[Nerwen]

In case anyone's missed it in the Admin thread– Boro is dropping out.

[Nogrod]

In case anyone's missed it in the Admin thread– Boro is dropping out.:(

Now what is this? We have one person leaving the game everyday and the least posts per Day I can remember - and all this after we had a pause in ww for about two months or something?

[Lhunardawen]

:(

Now what is this? We have one person leaving the game everyday and the least posts per Day I can remember - and all this after we had a pause in ww for about two months or something?

The law of all good things coming to an end...?

[Nogrod]

The law of all good things coming to an end...?That thought passed my mind... But if it comes to that, we must end with a bang and not with a whimper.

[Nerwen]

I think it's just that everyone's busy.

[Nerwen]

Also, you know, we've probably got out of the swing of WW just because of that two-months pause.

[Nogrod]

It maybe that me and tp have been parties to the lynchings because we have been around at the DL. :)

But I think you should also remember that in this game a tie means that no one is lynched and our only way to get Shelob is to lynch her. Therefore there is more pressure in the end not to spread the votes too much. Especially as the voting has been a bit erratic (people don't talk about their preferences and one never knows how many will not vote any given Day).

I can't speak of any specific reasons on behalf of tp but I can tell you mine (which are actually in the thread already on both Days).

What comes to D1 Glirdan, he was one of the only people I had even a slight reason to vote (that exchange between him and Lottie). I was to be sure a bit more worried about those very careful players who said little or nothing but there was no way in deciding between them. In the end of the Day no one was coming forth with any ideas and the votes were spread between five different people. So when tp and Boro said they could vote for Glirdy it sounded like the best bet. It would both secure someone is lynched (we get a go for Shelob) and I could vote him with good conscience as I had a reason for voting him (even if slight - and as it turned out, wrong).

I was pretty uneasy with Bom quite early on as s/he felt like s/he had orders to go after me (like a spiderling might have had). This game is based on suspecting others, but when you suspect others, you should make even remotely reasonable points - or then say you have a gut feeling. Bom was looking like relatively cognizant of the game and us players (well taught during the Nights) but only gave more or less bogus suspicions. Also her/his last post looked suspicious. So when I found out others were willing to vote her/him too, I must say I wasn't too sad about it. Alas, wrong again, but again in good faith.

Okay, I have voted for an innocent two times in a row. But as we have only one baddie (or possibly two yesterDay), that isn't anything out of what is probable. Looking at the maths, most of us have thus far only voted for innocents... it's that only those which end up lynching someone are verified.

Someone asked about Lhuna as well. I thought our best theory about the first stinged one was Lhuna (not a strong case but the only one I thought could be argued for even slightly). And it seemed most others shared the view. Ergo: the possibility that Sam had tried to use his healing-powers on Lhuna were quite good - so we should not lynch her as she would have been most likely "clean" (unless Shelob took a really cool step and stinged her only on N2).

If we have good reason to believe Sam has tried to heal person X the previous Night, we don't go on lynching that person X, right?

Having a "working hypothesis" of Lhuna being the stinged one of course meant she couldn't be Shelob at the same time. She can of course be Shelob, but thus far I have no special reason to believe that she is (more than of anyone else), but the possibility she was the stinged & healed one being presented I saw better odds for us if she was not lynched. Does that make sense?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

However in effort to be mildly useful, it only seems fair to tell you not to bother lynching me. Savvy?

[Nerwen]

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

However in effort to be mildly useful, it only seems fair to tell you not to bother lynching me. Savvy?

Oh, I see. You're definitely not a villain, then?;)

[Inziladun]

In case anyone's missed it in the Admin thread– Boro is dropping out.

I hate to hear that. Makes me wish I'd voted for him yesterDay after all. It would have helped him out, and we'd still have an innocent Bom.

The law of all good things coming to an end...?

Nah. Like Nerwen said, it's apparently just been a really busy time for everyone since the start of the year.

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

More insane than usual? ;)

x/d with Nerwen

[Lhunardawen]

You don't need to worry about that from me, Fea. The only people in my worth-lynching list right now are the phantom, Lottie, Nog, and perhaps Shasta.

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen and Zil

[Lhunardawen]

I hate to hear that. Makes me wish I'd voted for him yesterDay after all. It would have helped him out, and we'd still have an innocent Bom.
I'm taking a bit of a controversial stand here, but at least now we know Bom was innocent. On the other hand, we don't know what Boro is (per rules on dying unlynched), but I suppose he's not Shelob because otherwise what's the point of continuing the game?

Besides, innocents (I'd say we but of course I don't know which side you are) are still up on the numbers game. But not for long, it would seem. We have one Shelob, one spawn, and one stung now, and eight players all in all.

[Inziladun]

I'm taking a bit of a controversial stand here, but at least now we know Bom was innocent. On the other hand, we don't know what Boro is (per rules on dying unlynched), but I suppose he's not Shelob because otherwise what's the point of continuing the game?

True. If we're lucky he was a spiderling.

[Nerwen]

I'm taking a bit of a controversial stand here, but at least now we know Bom was innocent. On the other hand, we don't know what Boro is (per rules on dying unlynched), but I suppose he's not Shelob because otherwise what's the point of continuing the game?
Amusing the Moddess? I hear somebody (Fea?) ran a truly sadistic game like that in the days of yore.:eek:

[Nerwen]

True. If we're lucky he was a spiderling.

In that case you'd think he'd have particular qualms about deserting Her at this juncture. But then, Sally might do something to compensate Shelob– reassigning the role, or giving her an extra Night-attack, or whatever. So it's possible.

[Lhunardawen]

True. If we're lucky he was a spiderling.
Or if we're unlucky he's the Doctor. I'm inclined to think he's normal, but what do I know.

Amusing the Moddess? I hear somebody (Fea?) ran a truly sadistic game like that in the days of yore.:eek:
But sally wouldn't do that... Or would she? I mean it's sadistic enough not to allow anyone to post reveals, false or otherwise. :p I can't help thinking it must feel useless to be the Doctor when the only way your knowledge is discovered is when you're dead - and that after looking at your posts and making the most sense out of it possible. But even then that would just be everyone assuming, not actually knowing. It would give the living more questions than answers.

[Nogrod]

I need to leave for a while but I will give you my take on people later toDay (Greenie is coming to my place to watch the American Idol :D).

But let me throw a few thoughts to think about meanwhile - and please let's discuss a bit more toDay, please. This is a bit frustrating.


I really don't like saying this once again (and I'm not too happy to trigger the same discussion again), but I think I need to say it anyway. There are so many silent partners here in this game, any open suspicions have been very rare, people are too careful to let their opinions known... Add to that that we have only one (or two) baddies among us, the current state of affairs is plain against our interests as Shelob's best strategy in this kind of an envirovment would be to hunker down and hide among the majority of careful players.

I said that on D1 already and now on D3 the message is even more urgent. Let's play toDay. and I do not mean quantity, but quality, aka. saying what we think about people, of many people, and not narrowing it carefully down to say that you tend to think one person is okay and one might be suspicious-looking but then again maybe not so much... leaving all the others without a mention.

In this vein I actually dare to take on a "phantom-mode" and suggest we all promise toDay to make a list of all people, and promise to name at least two people we suspect - and why we do it.


:eek:
We have one Shelob, one spawn, and one stung now, and eight players all in all.Wait a minute! :eek:

I thought it was more or less undecided which interpretation of the general rules Sally took or do we learn if Sam manages to heal someone, but what really blew me was that we only have 8 players left... Really? *checked, true*

Okay. The Doc can check people and we need to lynch any checked stinged one now (unless the Doc also learns when the stinging has taken place when we could trust on Sam to try to heal someone stinged the Night before). Also Sam has both the ability to block a stinging and to heal someone. As the number of players drop down his chances of success grow.

But the nasty fact is, that if we lynch more innocents and no rangering or healing takes place (and Lhuna's numbers are correct), we'll have toMorrow Shelob + two spiderlings against one stinged and three other innocents. Then lynching an innocent (even the stinged one) toMorrow means we lose.

Oh wait... didn't the number of the baddies need to outnumber the innocents this time? *checked, right they have to* Okay that gives us one more chance, although if a stinged one is not healed the lobber-gang will win.

Uh... Need to go now.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, I see. You're definitely not a villain, then?;)

Wasn't last time I checked.

Amusing the Moddess? I hear somebody (Fea?) ran a truly sadistic game like that in the days of yore.:eek:

Pretty sure the most sadistic game I ever ran was when I wouldn't tell anybody (alive or dead) what roles people had until the village had killed all but one. But that game wasn't about good versus evil, it was about last man standing. I just failed to explain that to people because it would have ruined the purity of the votes.

[Nerwen]

Okay. The Doc can check people and we need to lynch any checked stinged one now (unless the Doc also learns when the stinging has taken place when we could trust on Sam to try to heal someone stinged the Night before).
The Doctor can't reveal, Nog.

EDIT:X'd with Fea.

[Nogrod]

Or if we're unlucky he's the Doctor.That's what I'm afraid of... I think he was either the doctor or then someone playing the doctor to confuse Shelob and make her attack him to be healed by Sam later. Or whatever.

It's harder to see him as a baddie, but he could have been the stinged one who wanted to gain attention by the way he played calling for attention?

[Nerwen]

Oh, so it was you, Fea.

EDIT:X'd with Nog

[Nogrod]

The Doctor can't reveal, Nog.
Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...

[Nerwen]

Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...
I wouldn't say pointless– he can push to get stung people lynched, and maybe deduce who Shelob is. But it's not like a normal Seer.

And I agree Boro was hinting like mad yesterDay, but who knows what that was really about?

[Lhunardawen]

Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...
That's what I said. *points up*

So, my 2 biggest suspects toDay:

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.

Now that I think about it, wouldn't a more important question to ask at that time be "If you were Shelob, who would you sting?" Okay, so I am of the opinion that it's better to try hunting for Shelob herself than one of her spawn, but at least it gives us lynch candidates, which would probably be more helpful, instead of non-lynch candidates, which is what the Sam question kind of gave us.

Or I am making sense out of absolutely nothing that has happened in the past couple of Days.

2. Lottie
There's just something about her that makes me feel uneasy. Sure, she drew herself out a bit more when she started going after Zil so heavily, but it's still not enough to make people look at her, like there's still a sense of being careful about it. Okay, I admit this one's more of a gut feel but really, what else do we have to go on?

My minor suspects are Shasta also because he feels stealthy, and Noggie because of the bandwagon thing.

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Lhunardawen]

Also, I am wary of Zil because for some reason I'm starting to trust him, and I don't trust myself to trust people. :eek:

[Nogrod]

I kept thinking about the role of the Doc as I walked home and yeah, I think I got it now. You're right Nerwen, he can "push". Let's have our eyes open if someone is pushing... And looking at it this way I think I have an idea whom I'm going to listen extra carefully toDay.

[Lhunardawen]

I kept thinking about the role of the Doc as I walked home and yeah, I think I got it now. You're right Nerwen, he can "push". Let's have our eyes open if someone is pushing... And looking at it this way I think I have an idea whom I'm going to listen extra carefully toDay.
But the problem with that is Shelob could also do that, and we have no way of knowing for certain if the pushing person is Shelob or the Doctor until xe is lynched.

Oh, right. Numbers game. But it's still possible.

[satansaloser2005]

Wilwa has to work late and will not be back toDay.

[the phantom]

Bleh- busier than I thought I'd be. Not caught up on reading at all.

But first-
Phantom remains innocent. Wilwa remains innocent. Lottie at worst has been stung last night. Lhuna- it's doubtful she's been stung given Sam's likely cure choice the first day and my promise of a Day 3 lynch hanging over her since Day 1, therefore I consider it reasonable not to include her as a candidate today.

That leaves for candidates-
Nerwen
Inzil
Shasta
Fea
Nog

[Lhunardawen]

I think it's best to get this out of the way before I fall asleep where I'm sitting:

++Loslote

I'm still more inclined to distrust her than the phantom. Now if only I had impeccable gut feel...

[Loslote]

Top two suspects? I can do that...

1. Zil. This should really come as a surprise to no one by this point. Once again, I have nothing other than pretty much every post of his I read sounds like evil!Zil, not normal!Zil.

2. This one's harder, because I have more people that I think are innocent than I have people that I think are evil, but if I had to pull a name, Shasta and tp are the two I'd think are most likely evil. Shasta simply because I haven't seen anything to the contrary, and tp because I'm starting to get squirmy feelings about him. Neither of them are anywheres near suspicious enough for a vote, though.

[Inziladun]

In that case you'd think he'd have particular qualms about deserting Her at this juncture. But then, Sally might do something to compensate Shelob– reassigning the role, or giving her an extra Night-attack, or whatever. So it's possible.

I'm sure Boro would try to stick it out if he had evil associates depending on him, but we know that sometimes RL undoes our most devious WW plans. At any rate, Nienna's role was revealed when she dropped out, so the same should be the case with Boro.

Also, I am wary of Zil because for some reason I'm starting to trust him, and I don't trust myself to trust people. :eek:

I could say the same about you.

I kept thinking about the role of the Doc as I walked home and yeah, I think I got it now. You're right Nerwen, he can "push". Let's have our eyes open if someone is pushing... And looking at it this way I think I have an idea whom I'm going to listen extra carefully toDay.

I have an idea as well, but I may be wrong, so I'm going to keep all options on the table.

Unlikely To Get My Vote ToDay:

Wilwa- No particular evil vibes from her, and that along with her absence the remainder of the Day removes her from consideration.

Lhuna- No evil feeling. Makes sense. A repworthy performance if she's bad.

Fea- Insane banter, yes. Yet I don't get the idea that it's evil in nature.

Everyone Else:

tp: I never know quite what he's up to, and I'm not convinced either way that he's good or bad. Was in on both innocent bandwagons, along with Nog.

Nog: His presence on both the aforementioned bandwagons is curious. Seems to be playing rather carefully, for him.

Nerwen: As I said of her before (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654350&postcount=279), she's not the aggressive evil-hunting Nerwen I'm used to. RL? Spider shenanigans? Could be either.

Shasta: Not around much at all. Did he vote yesterDay? I'd hate to have him slide through with submarine tactics if he's evil.

Lottie: I was a little mollified by the way she responding to my pushing back at her yesterDay. However, her single-minded insistence on wanting to lynch me (because I tend to be a rather easy lynch) has me worried she could be a spiderling doing the grunt work for Shelob.

x/d with Lottie herself

[Loslote]

Lottie: I was a little mollified by the way she responding to my pushing back at her yesterDay. However, her single-minded insistence on wanting to lynch me (because I tend to be a rather easy lynch) has me worried she could be a spiderling doing the grunt work for Shelob.

You've played with me before, Zil. It hasn't been that long. Surely you remember that I've been stubbornly insistent when I think I'm right in pretty much every game of WW I've ever played? This reason for suspecting me is not your strongest ever, to put it lightly. ;)

[Inziladun]

You've played with me before, Zil. It hasn't been that long. Surely you remember that I've been stubbornly insistent when I think I'm right in pretty much every game of WW I've ever played? This reason for suspecting me is not your strongest ever, to put it lightly. ;)

All I'm going to say is that you're either evil, or just plain wrong. :p

[Nogrod]

But the problem with that is Shelob could also do that, and we have no way of knowing for certain if the pushing person is Shelob or the Doctor until xe is lynched.

Oh, right. Numbers game. But it's still possible.Possible, although I would think it more likely the one faking it would be a spiderling as the risk is too big... I mean the fact is, that the Doc - if he "pushes" - will deliver us a baddie and a faker will not (I don't think they can afford to sacrifice one of them as there is no unambiguous "X is innocent" proof involved and the real Doc would still remain to "push" even more).

Let's check the scenarios.

Doc has a stinged and pushes for her/his lynch. The baddies will not make contesting pushes. We lynch a baddie.

Doc has stinged and pushes, but Shelob or a spiderling makes rival insistence on someone else. We lynch one of the "pushed ones". If that person is a baddie we have dealt a huge blow to Shelob and at the best scenario she has no spiderling any more (with luck Sam could heal the one stinged last Night and Shelob would be back to square one). If that person we lynch is a non-stinged person, we know that the one pushing her/him is a baddie and we lynch her/him toMorrow and Shelob is one down.

If Doc has none known stinged he will not push. If someone pushes someone else and we lynch an innocent because of that we know the one pushing was a baddie and we lynch her/him the next Day.


What do you say?

[satansaloser2005]

Doctor. The. Doct. Tor.



Erm, I mean it's two hours 'til DL.

Votes:

Lhuna-->Lottie

[the phantom]

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

I already said earlier that Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna were off the table so far as I'm concerned.

So- that leaves Nerwen, Inzil, Shasta, and Nog.

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

And now- a list of voting. Does it mean anything to anyone?

DAY 1 VOTING
Wilwa ++ Glirdan
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Boro
Bom ++ Lhuna
Shasta ++ Nog
Boro ++ Glirdy (2)
TP ++ Glirdy (3)
Nog ++ Glirdy (4)

DAY 2 VOTING
Nerwen ++ TP
Bom ++ Lottie
Lhuna ++ Bom
Lottie ++ Zil
Fea ++ TP (2)
Boro ++ Lhuna
Inzil ++ Bom (2)
Nog ++ Bom (3)
Wilwa ++ Lhuna (2)
TP ++ Bom (4)

If Shasta is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie or Lhuna for his first sting.

If Inzil is Shelob then it's unlikely he chose Lottie for his first sting.

Other than that I can't say much. Everyone's been less active than usual (or at least it seems that way). I mean- we only have two votes to go off of and Shasta and Nerwen both missed one, so there's half of the evidence gone right there.

[Nogrod]

A short add-on to the previous speculation.

If I understand the rules correctly, Doc only knows whether someone is stinged or not, but not when it has happened. Now it might be that the one he has discovered was only stinged last Night and could still be healed by Sam. But. It is not clear Sam will hit it right, and having a chance to lynch one who is either already a spiderling (Shelob team = minus one) makes a difference as even in the other case we'd be lynching someone who could be a spiderling the next Day (Shelob team = minus one again). So this would be, I think, the best scenario we could play for.

If there is no one pushing for anyone, then of course we need to try the more traditional ways to find the baddies. (Which we should do anyway as we can't rely on that scheme to work - if for instance Doc disapproves of it, or will not attend any more toDay, or whatever reason it might backfire)

[Inziladun]

A question for you, Inzil. How Phantom-centric are you in general when you play with me?

If I understand you correctly, I don't tend to all that "Phantom-centric, as a rule. It's an illness one has to battle. ;)

I'm really out of time here. Duty calls, and all that.

++Lottie

I could certainly be wrong, but that's the best bet at the moment, I think. Since I want to trust Lhuna, this is made a little easier.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm pretty good about being here the last two hours of the day (yesterDay I dealt with graduation, remember, and then Mother's Day), but honestly I don't really see how we can catch Shelob other than by trial and error - she's exactly like a werebear in that all she has to do is survive, because her spiderlings, while nice to have around, are easily expendable. We haven't even lynched a spiderling yet, which would at least tell us something. And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

[Nogrod]

My quick thoughts, before trying to do some digging back to the thread to search for the baddies.

I'm not going to vote for...

Lhuna - Whether she was stinged on N1 or not, Sam most probably used his healing powers on her the next Day. So unless Shelob is a great risk-taker, she should be innocent now (I mean if I were Sam I would have both healed and protected Lhuna last Night to be sure I could trust her toDay).

tp - I think he is much more use to the village alive than as dead. If he is not Shelob (which I doubt she is), then he should be cunning enough to let us know if he has been stinged without revealing it outright against the rules and let Sam save him so as to nullify Shelob's efforts (sorry I said this out aloud, but I think people should think also this before they wish to lynch you).

wilwa - After some thinking and rethinking I think I trust her more than many others. And I also think there is no problem saying that aloud.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah.

[satansaloser2005]

Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone.

And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace.


Gone
Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish)
Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2)
Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3)
It could be you (lynched on Day 3)




Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL.

[Nogrod]

On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too.

Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one?


Hey Sally, that is not fair!

Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track... :confused:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If Fea's faking about having different rules and instructions, then.... um... she is. But I'm just going to dismiss that possibility as frankly it just makes things entirely not fun.

No no no, I don't have a different set of rules. I am simply behaving in a manner that doesn't require following rules. I've always said that laws were created to ensure the safety and behavior of the lowest common denominator of humanity. As I am not that, I need not follow rules. But I have no true official sanction to run my own set of rules and instructions.

It is merely that when Mistress Moddess asked me to play, I said I'd only do it if I didn't have to put forth any form of traditional effort, but could, if so inclined, cause headaches for all.

It's not a different set of instructions, it's just a very naughty child with an indulgent mama. :Merisu:

[the phantom]

And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?
(Shelob-Spiderlings-BeenStung-Innocent)

Without Boro, we're possibly here-
1-1-1-5
But it's also possible we're here-
1-1-0-6

Obviously we'd prefer that Boro was Been-Stung, but no guarantee. It's entirely possible that a missed lynch today leads to-
1-2-1-3
Which would put us in a situation where we would have to bandwagon perfectly for the win, and given who is left it seems to me that such a thing would be very difficult to work out.

[satansaloser2005]

Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway). :Merisu:


Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea).

I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing,

Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games. :(

[Loslote]

Come on, really? Half an hour until DL and it's this quiet?

I'm going to have to vote sooner than I'd like, but I don't want to get lynched, so I'd rather like to know who people are planning on voting.

[the phantom]

Yeah, as I was making that last post it really hit me where we are. Those two dropouts are absolute murder, rolling forward the final curtain one day when the purpose of the game is to lynch one single individual. That hurts.

And just assume for a minute that, for instance, Lottie and Inzil are both innocent and unlikely to trust each other tomorrow. Bang, game over, because like I said, a perfect bandwagon is needed tomorrow if we're wrong today (unless Sam works some magic again).

So yeah- not looking pretty.

As far as today's voting-
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Lottie (2)

And Wilwa isn't going to be here, which means there's Nerwen, Shasta, Nog, Fea, and I left to vote.

Given my reasoning from earlier today Nerwen would seem a decent target, but as she's one of 5 remaining voters I doubt it would accomplish much, especially with Fea out there that can't be counted on to do anything productive. Shasta would be sort of a blind shot target, and again with him holding his vote it's not a good tactical target. Same with Nog.

That leaves Inzil as the easiest to hit mark given the votes we have, but he seems rather unlikely as Shelob (to me, anyway). Bleh. A game in which one must lynch one individual is hard enough, and then we aren't even allowed to rule anyone out because reveals aren't allowed and then two dropouts. This sucks.

[Nogrod]

Scrolling down the few last pages I found these...

1. Phantom's Sam scheme.
The ostensible reason was so we could be sure ifLhuna had been Sam's cure-target. All right. What strikes me about this scheme is that it was more-or-less guaranteed to occupy the village's attention without posing much threat to the Spider(s)– as I said yesterDay, it could not even give us a known innocent. It is possible phantom believed he knew Sam's identity already, and was try to give him a cover under which he could communicate. It is also possible phantlob or phantling sought to draw Sam out.

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.
Were there others like these?

I seem to have only remembered the latter one by Lhuna - and it is a most odd one to be honest. I can see the reasoning behind Nerwen's post, but not the one behind Lhuna's.

Add to that this stuff with Sally refusing to tell us who Boro was (which I understand as one who has hosted a few games myself), I'm bending to shift my thoughts a bit - and well why not say it, that Boro was the Doc (which he hinted at being, I think) and so the one I thought was the Doc before... is more probably Sam then...

And that would indeed fit nicely with Lhuna not being a goodie as then Sam would have tried to fight against us thiknig Lhuna innocent, and Lhuna's stumbling with accusing tp is a nice additional extra - she wished to play on a suspicion over tp but failed to make the claim he tried to oust Sam (which is a possible claim) and said he tried to oust the Doc (which has no sense at all).

The pieces of the puzzle fit a bit too nicely now that I'm starting to distrust it. But as Boro used to say back in the old times: if it walks like, if it talks like... then it is it... Could it be this clear? Pheww... hard to say. But it would make sense of many things.

What do you say? Are there holes in here?


EDIT: Made the boldings into the quotes in similar fashion...

[Loslote]

What do you say? Are there holes in here?

She could, of course, have been meaning to say Sam but said the Doctor instead. I know I say the wrong word a lot. But that being said, I would not be opposed to a Lhuna lynch.

[the phantom]

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made no sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

But past the faulty reasoning I'm not sure what you're implicating.

(I agree with the Boro-Doc thing, of course. He was hinting like mad, which is why the first time through the hints escaped my notice, as I assumed that sort of thing was out of bounds.)

[Nogrod]

If I'm right about Sam then Sam was against us giving Lhuna a pass because he had protected her against the major feeling... That I think matters here. Okay. I might be wrong about Sam but I think Sally wouldn't approve me talking about Sam openly at this stage.

Sally: if it is okay, I would be more than happy to bring forth my theory about Sam. If I'm right it's just fine as Shelob can't sting Sam...

[Loslote]

++Zil

I've really got to go. If I die and no one looks at Zil toMorrow, I am going to be quite put out. ;)

Edit: xed with Nog

[the phantom]

Nog- so long as your theory about Sam involves Sam being someone I've supported the entire game, I'm with you to that point. Now go on and explain the rest to me.

[Nogrod]

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.
But Lhuna said you were trying to draw out the Doc... not Sam. There's the discrepancy. And Sally readjusted the rules on the doc... I don't think it is a coincidence.

Also I'm a bit puzzled why you think it evident that Shelob attacked Sam on N2. I mean how do we know it either way? Actually I didn't understand your last argument... Please specify if you have time. I'd like to understand it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hi. Boro isn't so needlessly complicated that he'd throw out so many Doctor hints just to pretend to be the Doctor just to confuse people so that they might think maybe somebody else was or something?

So here's the shibang. He referred to both Wilwa and I as beautiful ladies, which makes me think he was busy playing doctor with us (ahem) and at the time, found nothing wrong.

With him woefully gone, that's all just about irrelevant.

That being said, it's just about killing me that Wilwa has to work late and can't vote, because I was going to do whatever she did.

As such, since I only get a free pass on not voting once (toMorrow, when I'll be traveling due to some of that Nasssssty real life imperfection that keeps mucking up the game), I have to vote anyway, even though I really have no desire to make my own decisions.

[Nogrod]

I mean Sam is not allowed to say "I protected X".

[satansaloser2005]

Nog: How specific is your theory? If you're concerned, PM it to me.


ETA: x'd

[the phantom]

Also I'm a bit puzzled why you think it evident that Shelob attacked Sam on N2.
Shelob totally bought into me. Shelob saw my dedication to Wilwa and Lottie and figured she'd turn one of them and either make use of me or frame me or whatnot. So she went after one of them and she turned out to be Sam (ha ha) as I suspected already, and then that individual was kind enough to float their "theory" which confirmed what I suspected (that she was attacked and that the attack failed).
I mean how do we know it either way? Actually I didn't understand your last argument... Please specify if you have time. I'd like to understand it.
My last argument was simply that even if the Shelob attack wasn't Sam (but rather someone he protected) my request for cure-picks wouldn't have outed Sam as only his protection would've been known to Shelob, so it was a pointless thing for Nerwen and Lhuna to accuse me of.

[Nogrod]

Boro referred to both wilwa and Fea as beautiful ladies. Right. SO the Doc made them clear. Okay.

Sally. Too little time to PM. Can I speculate who Sam is?

[the phantom]

Anyway, time to vote.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Nog

Because I don't want to create an irrevocable bandwagon, have to vote, and not sure if I can self vote. Ie: NOT because I have suspicions either way of him.

[satansaloser2005]

Technically you can speculate all you like. Just don't get the whole village involved in "If you were X, who would you pick?" and the like.

[Nogrod]

THe Frenzy...

++ Lhuna

[the phantom]

I would vote Nerwen, but I'm willing to go Inzil I suppose if necessary.

[the phantom]

++Inzil

EDIT: vote is late because of forum not allowing me to post within 30 seconds of previous post :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Why do we end like this every Day? Really?

Couldn't we discuss things earlier?

[satansaloser2005]

++Inzil
EDIT: vote is late because of forum not allowing me to post within 30 seconds of previous post :rolleyes:

I feel your pain. Silly posting delay. Don't worry about it.

[satansaloser2005]

Lottie and Dun backed away from the rest of the group, their hands joined as they tried to avoid the accusations being hurled at them.

“You did it!” someone cried. “It was her! Send her!”

“I didn’t do anything,” Lottie persisted, and squeezed Dun’s hand. “Tell them!”

Inziladun considered it for a moment, turning to see the dim figure of the woman holding his hand. Then he shook his head, tightening his grip on her and pulling her toward the voices. “It was her!” he shouted suddenly. “It was her, I heard it. She’s making bargains with that....thing.”

“No!” Lottie struggled for a moment then shoved her body into Dun’s, the unexpected force making him release her hand. She ran a few feet away then cleared her throat, making her voice as low as possible. “It was him, the one making accusations! Send him off, and our troubles will be over!”

Dun tried to silence her but he couldn’t find her, so he felt along the wall, trying to make out the position of her voice. However, the next words made him stop in his tracks.

“Let’s just send them both. Perhaps it will satiate her appetite, and she’ll not attack anyone tonight.”

“Whose bright idea was that?” a new (and strangely commanding) voice demanded.

Phantom, for once, was silent.

“Take her!” Dun shouted. “It’s not me you want! Take the girl!”

“If you try to take me I’ll sing!”

“Lies! We’ve never heard singing in here!”

Lottie huffed. “Because I didn’t have a good reason.” She felt Dun’s hand on her shoulder, gripping her arm tightly and pulling her toward the crack in the wall. “Take him,” she told the others. “We’ll be safe if he’s gone. Please,” she sobbed, “don’t take me....”

“It’s too late for you,” Dun hissed. He heard someone else shout for him to go as well, but their voice was quickly silenced by the strange one he had heard a moment ago. As they reached the entrance to Shelob’s lair there was a sharp gust of wind and they both fell back just in time to see a blue box materialize before them.

“What the-”

Out stepped Boro, the light coming from his box revealing a bow tie and spiky hair. He started toward Dun and Lottie but suddenly tripped on the large scarf hanging from his neck. “Arms, legs, neck, head, nose....I’m fine,” he assured them as he righted himself, dusting off his striped trousers. “And what’s going on here? I’m sorry I had to take off, but....duty calls, you know.”

“Take us out of here!” several of the others cried. “Help us escape!”

“Can’t,” he replied reluctantly. “I’m a part of events now. I have to leave you here.”

“Excuse me,” Lottie said softly, stepping closer to Boro and his box, “but what is....”

“Yes, go on, spit it out. I can’t stay long.”

Dun joined her at his side, his eyes wide. “What in the name of sanity have you got on your head?”

“Oh,” Boro replied simply, “that. It’s a clown mask.” He frowned. “Don’t ask. Just....don’t.”

“So why did you come back, if you’re not going to help us?”

“You were about to make a very stupid mistake. Erm....I think. You can’t send off two people at once. If you do, Shelob will overpower you even easier.”

“But one of them could be working for her!” someone shouted.

“Or both!” another joined in.

“Yes, but do you know for sure?” When no one could reply Boro snapped his fingers, the doors of his box closing and leaving them in darkness again. “No one is dying today,” he told them. “I have gone, and that’s enough for you to lose in one day. Be more careful. And besides,” he added sharply, “are you trying to fight Shelob or become like her?”

Lottie and Dun stood still for a moment, then they both slowly walked back toward the center of the tunnel, putting distance between them and Shelob’s lair.

“Goodie,” Boro said brightly. “Well, best be off. I’m late for an appointment with the quarterback of the-”

The doors to the box suddenly opened again, revealing laurab2333 standing impatiently inside. “Hurry up, will you?” she demanded. “Some of us have a rehearsal to get to.”

“All right, all right,” Boro sighed, I’m coming.” He joined laurab2333 in the box, snapped his fingers again, and as everyone stood waiting in the dark they heard a terrible wheezing, even the dim light from the box’s top dissipating.

“So,” Lottie and Dun said together, “what do we do now?”



Here
Lottie
Dun
Phantom
Wilwa
Nog
Nerwen
Shasta
Lhuna
Fea

Gone
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrew Day 2)
Bom Tombadillo (ordo, lynched Day 2)
Boro (the Doctor, withdrew Day 3)

[satansaloser2005]

Shelob retreated further into her cavern, listening closely to the whispering of the innocents through the small opening in the wall. She settled into her corner, reveling in the fear she detected in their voices. The tension was reaching an unexpected high, especially after the fiasco yesterday with the man who called himself a doctor. But they were few now, even if they hadn’t dismissed someone into her chambers to become a snack. All she had to do was wait.

“Ssssssssssssssss....”

Shelob could make out a small shape coming toward her, its eyes reflecting the glow coming from her. It approached, its smile wide and its pearly teeth glistening maliciously.

“Psssssst,” it said again.

“Not yet,” Shelob whispered soothingly. “Go back with the others. Your time will come.”

“But....”

“Back with the others,” Shelob repeated shrilly. “Go. I have work to do.”

“But what shall I do? I’m all alone.”

“Play with the others,” Shelob replied simply. She lowered one of her pincers and stroked her child’s cheek tenderly. “You’re not alone. You know that.”

The child nodded, grasping Shelob’s pincer tightly. “I won’t disappoint you,” it promised.

“I know you won’t. Now go on,” she insisted gently. “I will soon approach again, and this time not all of them will escape so easily. Remember what I’ve taught you, and we will succeed.”

With that the child turned back, its feet scuffing the floor as it scratched absently at the still fresh sting on its neck. It crawled back through crevice, keeping quiet as it rejoined the others in the darkness. It could almost make out faces now, its eyes more attuned to the dark, but it still was unable to tell if any of the others had also been recruited into Shelob’s brood.

Perhaps, if it only looked harder, it could- what was that?

There was a sharp scream, a quick burst of light immediately blocked out as a large shape thrust itself into the small entrance of their hideaway.

They tried to escape, but it was too late. In the split second that there had been light, they saw one of their comrades impaled, his face still shrouded in darkness as his body was pierced by the sharp stinger that had penetrated their sanctuary. He let out a wordless cry, his voice also unrecognizable as he slumped to the ground, dragging his wounded body further into the dark.

Toward the back of the group, someone felt his cheeks growing as hot as the weapon at his side. He had failed to protect his friend, and it was so dark he likely would not find him in time to reverse the effects of the poison now coursing through his friend’s body.

It was going to be a long day, and for one of the group, it would be his last.




Alive
Phantom
Dun
Nog
Fea
Lottie
Lhuna
Nerwen
Shasta
Wilwa


Dead
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrew Day 2)
Bom (ordo, lynched Day 2)
Boro (the Doctor, withdrew Day 3)

[the phantom]

So Boro was Doc, eh? Yeah... figures. I'm just hoping he was a sting victim as well.

Anyway, I hear that Nog would prefer that we wait until 20 minutes before the deadline to discuss everything, so I'm shutting up now.

*waits for today's narration*

[Inziladun]

From the narration, it looks like Frodo got it. Not good. Doesn't that mean unless a spawn of Shelob, or the fiend herself goes down toDay, it's over?

[the phantom]

Okay, first, I wonder what this is-
“But what shall I do? I’m all alone.”

“Play with the others,” Shelob replied simply. She lowered one of her pincers and stroked her child’s cheek tenderly. “You’re not alone. You know that.”
So... um.... is there only one Spiderling, like the Spiderling thinks? Or is there more than one according to Shelob. HUGE difference.

And of course we'll be losing two people this cycle, as there will be a lynch plus a Frodo exit. On the bright side Shelob doesn't get another minion tomorrow night and also won't get to sting anyone tonight if Sammy chooses Frodo correctly, so let's hope for that.

Also, I just (thankfully) realized my numbers from yesterday were off by one because our dear Moddess left Wilwa off her day-opening post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654319&postcount=265) yesterday. :p
So, here's what I believe to be a corrected version of where we stand.

(Shelob-Spiderling-BeenStung-Innocent)
If Boro was NOT a sting victim, we're possibly-
1-2-0-6
If Boro was a sting victim, we're possibly-
1-1-0-7
If Boro was NOT a sting victim but Sam cured someone Day 1, then-
1-1-0-7

So first- any theories on whether there are two Spiderlings or just one?

[Loslote]

At this point, I'd be surprised if there weren't two Spiderlings already...the fact that Shelob missed one Sting was lucky enough. I think we should work with the assumption that we probably have two Spiderlings. Even if we're wrong, it'd be more harmful for people to assume we've got time than for people to assume we have to get this lynch right toDay.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

At this point, I'd be surprised if there weren't two Spiderlings already...the fact that Shelob missed one Sting was lucky enough. I think we should work with the assumption that we probably have two Spiderlings. Even if we're wrong, it'd be more harmful for people to assume we've got time than for people to assume we have to get this lynch right toDay.

I agree with Lottie. It's better to assume the worst and hope for the best than the opposite.

Again, sorry for not being around yesterday. As Sally said, my internet was knocked out because of the storm. I'll vote today, promise. :(

[the phantom]

Yeah, I know it's not your fault, Shasta & Nerwen both, but it's still easy for me to be annoyed by the lower participation and voting etc. Bleh. So yeah, later today no doubt I'll complain about how I don't have as much as I'd like at this stage in the game on you two, but don't take it personally.

Anyway... Wilwa will be around more today too, I hope?

[Inziladun]

At this point, I'd be surprised if there weren't two Spiderlings already...the fact that Shelob missed one Sting was lucky enough. I think we should work with the assumption that we probably have two Spiderlings. Even if we're wrong, it'd be more harmful for people to assume we've got time than for people to assume we have to get this lynch right toDay.

Surprisingly enough, I totally agree with this. The potential number of baddies ought to not be a concern, though. Getting them is the focus.

I wish there was a way to pinpoint Shelob. I still think she's likely to be one of the non-controversial ones, with the spiderlings doing the heavy lifting in getting rid of innocents.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm watching a movie relevant to all of our interests, and happen to be at a particularly relevant scene.

I'd like to dedicate this post to a very special arachnid. Mummy loves you. :Merisu:


Ahem. That is all.

[wilwarin538]

Alright, I should be around far more toDay, but will still have to vote a bit early.

Looking at the narration it sounds to me like there is only one spiderling. The whole "you're not alone thing" sounds more like "she's not alone because she has Shelob with her", not "she's not alone cause there's another spiderling". And the "go back and play with the others" thing sounds like she's supposed to go and play with us (the villagers) not with other spiderlings.

And yeah, looks like Frodo was bitten. Here's what the admin thread says so that we're all on the same page:

If Frodo is attacked in the Night, the following happens:
1. Sam is notified at Dawn after Frodo is attacked, but is not told Frodo’s identity. Even if he finds Frodo by the end of the Day, he will not be able to save him. Instead, he is able to PM with Frodo during the Night (if he holds his guess until after Nightfall, he can PM for the remainder of the Night) where Frodo would normally turn into a spawn of Shelob. (Note: Frodo is not told the identity of Shelob, so he would not be able to give it to Sam.) At the end of that Night, Frodo dies.
2. If/When Sam finds Frodo’s body, he will strike out at Shelob’s lair. While he cannot kill Shelob on his own, he has the strength and anger to prevent Shelob from making an attack that Night. He will then spend his Evening with Frodo, and when Frodo dies Sam will spend the next Night in mourning/angst.
In game terms, this means that the Night after Frodo is attacked, both Sam and Shelob will be out of power, and the Night after that Sam will be unable to stop Shelob from attacking anyone.

If Frodo is lynched, Sam will lose his powers for that Night, regardless of whether Frodo has been stung. Shelob will suffer no ill effects.

So lots of pressure on Sam to guess correctly.

I'll be back in a bit. Wanna see what happens with Kate and Castle.

[wilwarin538]

*crickets chirping*

Where is everybody?

I'm off to bed, I'll be back in the morning.

[the phantom]

So lots of pressure on Sam to guess correctly.
Yep. Whole game lies with Sammy. If we lose, it's all his fault. And I will rant and rave about how useless he is. And Voldy will curse him for his poor choice. :p

[the phantom]

Just fyi I'm still against lynching Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna.

Shasta and Nerwen give us little to go on. Fea gives us Moddess-demanded weirdness and randomness to go on.

So that leaves Inzil and Nog as the two I'd like to see everyone examine- me included. I may not be able to get to it tonight, but I'm going to give both of them a serious look.

[Inziladun]

*crickets chirping*

Where is everybody?

I can't speak for everyone else, but my wife's had the computer for the last few hours feeding her The Sims 3 addiction. And now it's time for bed :rolleyes:

So that leaves Inzil and Nog as the two I'd like to see everyone examine- me included. I may not be able to get to it tonight, but I'm going to give both of them a serious look.

I welcome it. For my lynch choice, I'm not sure right now who I'd go for if no one's on board with me for a Lottie lynch. ;)

I do wonder about Nog myself. Was a tie yesterDay in the best interest of the spiders? I wouldn't think so. Yet Nog voted for Lhuna when he could have easily stuck another nail in my coffin.

[Loslote]

I do wonder about Nog myself. Was a tie yesterDay in the best interest of the spiders? I wouldn't think so. Yet Nog voted for Lhuna when he could have easily stuck another nail in my coffin.

You know, the reasoning only really works if you switch it around. Nog could not have known that tp would vote for you. "Sticking another nail in your coffin" would have brought the tally up to a tie. The only way for Nog to prevent a tie (and thus ensure a death) would be to vote someone who hadn't been voted before or to vote me, the frontrunner at the time. Your argument falls apart because Nog didn't know it would be a tie - tp's vote not only fell last, but it fell thirty seconds after DL.

[Lhunardawen]

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration, but I thought I'd just get this out of the way.

Nogrod, I goofed typing Doctor instead of Sam. I overlooked it, in the same manner that you overlooked it too and didn't notice it until much later. (I wouldn't have noticed my mistake if you didn't point it out.)

Now I'm saying this because it appears to me that the whole reasoning for your vote against me yesterDay was hinged on that mistake (and is on my list of things to try to make sense out of toDay). And that was after you've practically decided not to consider me for lynching. I've seen this Nogrod before, the one with crazy theories based on flimsy reasoning popping up out of the blue, and he was never up to any good. For that, I'm going to look at you extra closely toDay.


But I do want to see what happens to Kate and Castle, too. :cool:

[the phantom]

Tired...... Talk *yawn* later....

*falls down*

[Nerwen]

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration,
Frodo's definitely been bitten, but I think the rest is just colour.

(You know, by an interesting co-incidence, a diminutive, (very) curly-haired relative of mine was recently bitten by a spider. Made him quite unwell, too. Spooky, no?:eek: )

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made no sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.
There was no hint of this in the narration, so either you do *ahem* know something, or it's just a guess. Now you say it's the latter, and that you're basing it on something "Sam" said– but that too ought to be a guess. Either way you can't expect everyone else to reach the same conclusion.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.
Phantom, I can't speak for Lhuna, but for my part I was thinking like this: gifteds don't have to give themselves away completely– it can be enough that their manner isn't quite "right" when talking about their role. Or that they're forced to single themselves out in some way– what if everyone except Sam said, "yeah, sure, I'd have cured Lhuna"? This is pretty basic stuff, phantom.

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration, but I thought I'd just get this out of the way.

Nogrod, I goofed typing Doctor instead of Sam. I overlooked it, in the same manner that you overlooked it too and didn't notice it until much later. (I wouldn't have noticed my mistake if you didn't point it out.)

Now I'm saying this because it appears to me that the whole reasoning for your vote against me yesterDay was hinged on that mistake (and is on my list of things to try to make sense out of toDay). And that was after you've practically decided not to consider me for lynching. I've seen this Nogrod before, the one with crazy theories based on flimsy reasoning popping up out of the blue, and he was never up to any good. For that, I'm going to look at you extra closely toDay.
I might too– that did look like a bit of a reach.

[Lhunardawen]

Frodo's definitely been bitten, but I think the rest is just colour.
Ah. Thanks, Nerwen. That takes one thing off of my to-do list.

(You know, by an interesting co-incidence, a diminutive, (very) curly-haired relative of mine was recently bitten by a spider. Made him quite unwell, too. Spooky, no? )
Must be you're playing too much Werewolf. :D

So I was going to proceed analysing Nogrod's posts when I realised this is not a normal game. Le sigh. Still, something useful might come out. Be right back.

Also, I'm getting nervous about Shasta and wilwa who are both slipping under my radar.

[Nogrod]

I do agree, it looks like Frodo... although I'm not quite sure I fully understand the rules. I mean what happens if Sam doesn't "find" Frodo? Does he only lose the chance of PM'ing with Frodo the next Night (even if it might be helpful for Sam to share ideas with someone innocent, it wouldn't be the end of the game as Frodo has no special knowledge anyway) or does it also mean Shelob gets a free sting already the coming Night, which would be far worse?

But I do also agree with wilwa's interpretation of the narration. I mean Sally has said I think like a few times that there are hints in the narrations and that we should be reading them. And it looks like she is sending us a message there is only one spiderling ("not being alone" referring to Shelob herself and "others" referring to us). So that's good news.

Okay, sorry. This is a bit hard day for me as I have lots of things in my hand. But I will pop in during the Day if I have time (rushing to the afternoon classes now) - and then I should be home so 2½ hours before the DL being able to play.

I try to explain my theory the next time I can be online. It seems some of you didn't get what I meant...

[Lhunardawen]

An analysis of Nogrod:

Day 1
Believes Shelob would be submarine. Puts Glirdan and Lottie under "probably not voting my usual Day 1 suspects" list. Thinks the phantom makes fair points about Lhuna being stung, and would rather save her for Sam. Chooses between Glirdan and Lottie in the flurry of last-minute votes. Votes Glirdan.

Now what was that? Panic over lack of time? A sudden change of heart, despite the absence of posts from either player? Or an attempt by Shelob to save her first been-stung from the noose (which in this case would be either Lottie or Lhuna - for the sake of discussion)?

[Lhunardawen]

An analysis of Nogrod:

Day 2
Believes Shelob could be among the early Day 1 voters, or the non-voters (a long list including wilwa, Lhuna, Zil, Bom, Nerwen, Lottie, Fea, and Nienna). Unsure whether the phantom's Sam survey is a good idea or not. Takes the preliminary results of the phantom's poll as an indicator that Sam probably tried to heal Lhuna, i.e. she should probably not be lynched. Defends the phantom for doing good work in the anemic village. Agrees with Lottie that Shelob would likely sting people who can stay alive for a long time. Questions Boro for being defensive in response to the phantom. Thinks Lottie and Lhuna are not spiderlings, and Fea is not Shelob. Inclined towards voting Bom for being careful and for having forged suspicions against him, but thinks he might be a spawn instead of Shelob. Thinks Shasta could be Shelob for being so quiet. Says Boro is odd for voting Lhuna. Chooses between Bom and Boro. Votes Bom.

His quite sudden trust of the phantom's plan is unsettling, as well as his insistence on not voting Lhuna on that grounds, believing her to be most likely innocent. His track record thus far of being involved in the lynching of, as well as strongly suspecting, innocents does not speak well for him at this point - but that could also go for other players. If he is Shelob, it's possible Lottie is one of his spawn or, heavens!, the phantom. Or Shasta whom he suspected of Shelobbery but did not really go after strongly. Or someone else he did not mention so much. Gah.

[Inziladun]

You know, the reasoning only really works if you switch it around. Nog could not have known that tp would vote for you. "Sticking another nail in your coffin" would have brought the tally up to a tie. The only way for Nog to prevent a tie (and thus ensure a death) would be to vote someone who hadn't been voted before or to vote me, the frontrunner at the time. Your argument falls apart because Nog didn't know it would be a tie - tp's vote not only fell last, but it fell thirty seconds after DL.

However, tp had repeatedly said he would not vote for you, hadn't he? What I'm saying is that instead of voting for me, a lynch possibility,he went for someone who had no votes at the time, and someone who tp had also said he would not vote for.

[Lhunardawen]

An analysis of Nogrod:

Day 3
(Ah! The theory he meant involving Glirdan and Lottie was their conversation about Glirdan being visible. Huh.)

Defended his Day 1 vote for Glirdan based on the phantom and Boro expressing that they could vote for him, despite having others he suspect more. Explains that since ties end with no-lynches it is best not to spread the votes too much. Says he was pretty uneasy about Bom because it felt like Bom had orders to go after him (which I didn't pick up - I'll try to read Bom's posts after this). Has no special reason to believe that Lhuna is Shelob. Asks everyone to play with quality and take on a phantom mode.

...wait a minute. Something Nogrod said about the phantom (post #325) just made me realise something.

Some of us have been working under the assumption that someone who has been stung would likely try to get everyone's attention - most importantly Sam's - so xe could be healed and brought back to the good side. But now that I think about it, one could choose not to do that. If xe would rather be a baddie and try winning as one, then they would wait until they are completely turned and not attempt to get Sam's attention. Which means we could be going wrongly about some things.

Anyway. Back to Nogrod.

Thinks Lhuna should be innocent on Day 3, and the phantom would be of more use alive than dead. Trusts wilwa.

And now, for the main point of this series of posts...

And that would indeed fit nicely with Lhuna not being a goodie as then Sam would have tried to fight against us thiknig Lhuna innocent, and Lhuna's stumbling with accusing tp is a nice additional extra - she wished to play on a suspicion over tp but failed to make the claim he tried to oust Sam (which is a possible claim) and said he tried to oust the Doc (which has no sense at all).

...

If I'm right about Sam then Sam was against us giving Lhuna a pass because he had protected her against the major feeling... That I think matters here. Okay. I might be wrong about Sam but I think Sally wouldn't approve me talking about Sam openly at this stage. ...I still have no idea what he was talking about. :confused:

This entails that he has an idea of who Sam is. He tried to put forth his theory on Sam yesterDay and reasons that if he's right Sam would remain safe as he can't be stung by Shelob. But in that case Sam cannot confirm his theory (because of the no reveals rule) and what we're still left with is a theory.

This is making my head ache.

His sincerity in exposing most of his thoughts for us to see is, for me, the work of either an innocent trying to make up for the relative inactivity of most players in the game, or a baddie trying to get everyone confused and distracted from lynching Shelob. Would a Noglob be so bold as to place himself within everyone's plain sight. I think he might be.

That said, he's still my best bet. But I wish I had time (and patience) to look at the others.

[satansaloser2005]

Infected players are still innocent. Their allegiance only changes once the sting becomes permanent.

Also, you're all being amusing now. Yay! :Merisu:

How ya feeling there, Frodo? Can I offer you anything? Tea? Bug repellent? Cake? Rolled newspaper? Death?

[Lhunardawen]

Infected players are still innocent. Their allegiance only changes once the sting becomes permanent.
Good. Thanks for clarifying.

[Nerwen]

Lhuna, I was doing my own analysis of Nogrod, but it got eaten. Anyway I doubt I could add anything to what you've got here. I mean, he's still in the "who knows?" category. Like everyone. I don't think the trouble is so much the weird game mechanics, per se, as that we so far haven't managed to lynch any spawn and thus have no connections to trace.

Although–

Originally Posted by Loslote
You know, the reasoning only really works if you switch it around. Nog could not have known that tp would vote for you. "Sticking another nail in your coffin" would have brought the tally up to a tie. The only way for Nog to prevent a tie (and thus ensure a death) would be to vote someone who hadn't been voted before or to vote me, the frontrunner at the time. Your argument falls apart because Nog didn't know it would be a tie - tp's vote not only fell last, but it fell thirty seconds after DL.
However, tp had repeatedly said he would not vote for you, hadn't he? What I'm saying is that instead of voting for me, a lynch possibility,he went for someone who had no votes at the time, and someone who tp had also said he would not vote for.

A thought: Wouldn't it be awesome if Nog and Zil were on the same (evil) side, and Zil just made the bold move of using Nog's reluctance to vote him as a point in his favour?

[Inziladun]

A thought: Wouldn't it be awesome if Nog and Zil were on the same (evil) side, and Zil just made the bold move of using Nog's reluctance to vote him as a point in his favour?

That would mean that I was either a spiderling giving a clear hint of Shelob's identity, or Shelob showing a link between me and my offspring. Not smart in either case.

I'm not saying, nor have I said, that Nog is innocent. I just found his not voting for me odd behaviour if he was evil.

[Nerwen]

That would mean that I was either a spiderling giving a clear hint of Shelob's identity, or Shelob showing a link between me and my offspring. Not smart in either case.

I'm not saying, nor have I said, that Nog is innocent. I just found his not voting for me odd behaviour if he was evil.

No, I mean, you could be "hanging a lampshade on it".

Yes, it's thin. A gal can dream, all right?:p

[wilwarin538]

Okee. So I should be around randomly for the next 4ish hours, and will have to vote a few hours early.

Phantom
Inzil
Nog
Fea
Lottie
Lhuna
Nerwen
Shasta
Wilwa

So, in that list we has a Shelob, a spiderling, a Sam and a dying Frodo. I think the spiderling was created either from the beginning, or on Night 3 (since Night 2 there was no victim, and last Night it was Frodo), I don't know which, and that's annoying since knowing which it is could be helpful. There's a difference between looking for someone who's acted evil from the start, or someone who just started acting evil not too long ago. (unless we do know which it is and I've just missed something) I'm also still working under the assumption that Shelob (and therefore her spiderling) know who Sam is and will be trying to get him lynched (and probably trying to confuse him about Frodo).

So the people who I'd be really really suprised to discover as Shelob: Phantom, Fea and Nog. I'm also inclined to think it's not Inzil. Everyone else looks fishy to me.

I have to go for a bit. Everyone in the game best have posted at least once before I have to go. I want to have a bit of a read on everyone, instead of having so many people I'm unsure about.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Due to an unplanned trip out of town for which I will leave shortly (2/3 awesome, 1/3 my favorite English teacher died unexpectedly) I get to vote right now without any idea what I'm doing.

I know who I don't want to vote for (phantom, Nog, wilwa, Lhuna) but that's not for any legitimate reason (oh hi, gut instinct).

That being said, I'm going with

++Lottie

because I have no reason to trust her, but my vote is early enough that if y'all think I'm completely off base, you can treat it accordingly.

[Nogrod]

Finally got home but need to rush in ten minutes to the choir rehersals. So the theory of mine some of you have been wondering in a nutshell. I think you should consider it.

There was one person who as a lonely one didn't like the idea we thought Lhuna okay. If xe was Sam xe would know Sam didn't protect or heal Lhuna and thus be against the common view.

Secondly. There was a clarification of the ruling as to what happens when doctor is attacked. I wondered whether Shelob had asked that from Sally as I didn't see anyone asking it on the thread. Then there was also this slip by Lhuna who seconded Nerwen's suspicion on tp but talked of Doc and not Sam. Well, I thought, keeping many faces is hard and if she had been specially bothered about issues concerning the role of the Doc that would be an understandable error.

If I'm right about this, then I'd think that tp is on the good side as then Lhuna had tried to roll the ball forwards to get him lynched seeing that someone had suspected him already.

Okay. need to run now. Back in about 2½ hours before the DL.

[Nerwen]

So, in that list we has a Shelob, a spiderling, a Sam and a dying Frodo. I think the spiderling was created either from the beginning, or on Night 3 (since Night 2 there was no victim, and last Night it was Frodo), I don't know which, and that's annoying since knowing which it is could be helpful. There's a difference between looking for someone who's acted evil from the start, or someone who just started acting evil not too long ago. (unless we do know which it is and I've just missed something)

That's if you're right about the narration, Wilwa. I agree "the others" are just the other villagers, because otherwise there would have to be at least three spiderlings, which doesn't make sense. But does the fact that only one spiderling is mentioned mean it's definitely the only one? I'm not sure. I'd say it's more likely Sally is being deliberately confusing because... well, you know...

Anyway, it would depend what Day/Night it's likeliest Sam made a successful cure. Unless Boro was the one stung on Night 3, of course.

Note: refreshed and saw Fea's Lottie vote. I suppose I need to look at those two.

EDIT:X'd with Nogrod.

[Nerwen]

Finally got home but need to rush in ten minutes to the choir rehersals. So the theory of mine some of you have been wondering in a nutshell. I think you should consider it.

There was one person who as a lonely one didn't like the idea we thought Lhuna okay. If xe was Sam xe would know Sam didn't protect or heal Lhuna and thus be against the common view.

Secondly. There was a clarification of the ruling as to what happens when doctor is attacked. I wondered whether Shelob had asked that from Sally as I didn't see anyone asking it on the thread. Then there was also this slip by Lhuna who seconded Nerwen's suspicion on tp but talked of Doc and not Sam. Well, I thought, keeping many faces is hard and if she had been specially bothered about issues concerning the role of the Doc that would be an understandable error.
Okay... I guess that does make some sense– more than the way you put it at the time of voting, anyway.

All the same, this game is so darned confusing, it's not that surprising someone would get the roles mixed up.

[Lhunardawen]

All the same, this game is so darned confusing, it's not that surprising someone would get the roles mixed up.Hear, hear.

For the sake of posterity, I would not be opposed to seeing Nogrod, Lottie, or Shasta lynched toDay. the phantom is a bigger enigma to me than I probably am to some of you, but I'm okay with keeping him alive for one more Day. I want to see more of wilwa. Zil and Nerwen I'm inclined to trust, but if you turn out to be baddies I shall... probably be very mad at myself. I've already decided that Fea's not worth lynching - which I hope Shelob has not used/does not use to her advantage by trying to turn her.

[Nerwen]

I've already decided that Fea's not worth lynching - which I hope Shelob has not used/does not use to her advantage by trying to turn her.
Hmmn. Not sure I like this "Fea is just too ZANY to be evil" meme that's been going around.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hmmn. Not sure I like this "Fea is just too ZANY to be evil" meme that's been going around.

I think it's more Fea tends to be this disinterested when she's an ordo, but I agree with the underlying thought.

I've read all of this page (since it was the only new page since the last time I posted) and the thing that jumped out at me the most was Wilwa mentioning that there's only one spiderling. I'm pretty sure there's two now (beginning 'ling plus one being stung) so I'm curious as to why Wilwa would try and spin the narration that way.

Also, I'm okay with lynching Phantom (but then I'm always okay with lynching Phantom). :)

[wilwarin538]

I've read all of this page (since it was the only new page since the last time I posted) and the thing that jumped out at me the most was Wilwa mentioning that there's only one spiderling. I'm pretty sure there's two now (beginning 'ling plus one being stung) so I'm curious as to why Wilwa would try and spin the narration that way.



The narration makes it sound like there's only one. So I'm assuming Sam saved one of the two who were stung. I actually still think Boro was the one who was stung at the beginning (cause the Doc could still be stung, right?) and that he is the one Sam cured, and that the current spiderling was stung on Night 3, and therefore toDay is it's first Day as a baddie. Of course it's possible we have 2 spiderlings, but just going off the narration toDay it sounds like there's only 1.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The narration makes it sound like there's only one. So I'm assuming Sam saved one of the two who were stung. I actually still think Boro was the one who was stung at the beginning (cause the Doc could still be stung, right?) and that he is the one Sam cured, and that the current spiderling was stung on Night 3, and therefore toDay is it's first Day as a baddie. Of course it's possible we have 2 spiderlings, but just going off the narration toDay it sounds like there's only 1.

Wouldn't the narration have mentioned if Sam had made a save? I don't think the narration today sounds like one spiderling at all, to be honest (we're talking about the one with "you're not alone" or something to that effect, yes?).

[Lhunardawen]

I think it's more Fea tends to be this disinterested when she's an ordo, but I agree with the underlying thought.
That's exactly what I was thinking.

Let's see...

Night 1: Shelob stung someone.
Day 1: 1 stung
Night 2: Shelob was not able to sting.
Day 2: 1 spiderling (from Night 1)
Night 3: Shelob stung someone.
Day 3: 1 spiderling, 1 stung
Night 4: Frodo was stung.
Day 4: 2 spiderlings, 1 soon-to-be-dead Frodo

Did I get it right?

Perhaps the conversation in the narration meant that Shelob did not disclose the identity of the spiderlings to each other, which is why one thought it was alone?

[satansaloser2005]

Boro was not infected. If he had been, I would have mentioned it when he died.

That is all.

[Loslote]

I actually still think Boro was the one who was stung at the beginning (cause the Doc could still be stung, right?) and that he is the one Sam cured, and that the current spiderling was stung on Night 3, and therefore toDay is it's first Day as a baddie. Of course it's possible we have 2 spiderlings, but just going off the narration toDay it sounds like there's only 1.

The Doctor could have been stung, yeah, but I don't think Miss Sally Moddess would have given us a Stung Doctor to start out with. Didn't Shelob give Sally a short list of names, and Sally picked one to be the first Stung? If she had a choice, I'd guess that Sally make someone who otherwise would have been an ordo be the first Stung, not the Doctor.

But that doesn't change the fact that Boro could well have been high on Shelob's list of people to sting. And, since Sam didn't know that he was the Doctor, it's likely Sam would have tried to cure Boro anyway because of the likelihood Shelob would have chosen him as a Spiderling. In which case, we likely do have two Spiderlings, from Night One and Night Three.

[Lhunardawen]

This has to be, bar none, the quietest game I've ever been in. Or maybe I'm just really in the wrong time zone.

++Nogrod

[wilwarin538]

Ok yeah, I see your points. To me the narration seemed clear there is only 1 the first time I read it, but I can see how it can be interpreted differently. I guess I was just trying to be overly optimistic. And knowing for sure that Boro wasn't stung is good to know. So whoever was stung from the beginning is almost definitely a spiderling, and then it looks like the sting victim from Night 3 must be one too (for that one we should look for someone who acted strangely yesterday, and maybe their attitude seemed to change toDay compared to other days?)

Perhaps the conversation in the narration meant that Shelob did not disclose the identity of the spiderlings to each other, which is why one thought it was alone?

That could be a possibility.

So I need to leave for work in about an hour. I know who I won't be voting for (Phantom, Fea, Nog and Inzil), so it'll be between the rest. I have to get something to eat and get ready for work, then I'll be back on to vote and such.

x'ed with Lhuna

[Inziladun]

Perhaps the conversation in the narration meant that Shelob did not disclose the identity of the spiderlings to each other, which is why one thought it was alone?

That's how I took it, seeing that Shelob is apparently not allowed to tell the children who xyr siblings are.

Due to an unplanned trip out of town for which I will leave shortly (2/3 awesome, 1/3 my favorite English teacher died unexpectedly) I get to vote right now without any idea what I'm doing.

I know who I don't want to vote for (phantom, Nog, wilwa, Lhuna) but that's not for any legitimate reason (oh hi, gut instinct).

That being said, I'm going with

++Lottie

because I have no reason to trust her, but my vote is early enough that if y'all think I'm completely off base, you can treat it accordingly.

I'm trying to figure out if this means my suspicion of Lottie may be more merited, or less. Or neither.

[Loslote]

I'm trying to figure out if this means my suspicion of Lottie may be more merited, or less. Or neither.

How could that have any bearing on your suspicion of me? From what I could gather, she voted me because she'd seen nothing that indicated my innocence, not because she saw anything to indicate my guilt. The only way it would have any affect on your suspicion is it makes it easier for you to lynch me. Is this post just another reiteration of how you suspect me, without furthering your claims any? You don't put forward points, you simply speculate on whether there might be some. This is so incredibly deja-vuish...I can remember at least two games off the top of my head where this exact same thing has happened. :rolleyes:

[wilwarin538]

Ok, I have to leave now.

This is terribly frustrating. I feel like I don't have enough information to make a good decision, so I'm just going to have to go with gut feelings here.

My vote:

++Nerwen

Good luck everyone, hopefully this goes well.

[Nogrod]

It looks like the number of spiderlings depends on whether Sam healed the one stinged on N3 or not.

If we have only one spiderling we are on 7-2 now, with two we have 6-3.

I'm looking for the scenarios just to see what our situation is.

Now Frodo is going to die anyway and if we start to look at our situation toMorrow morning we need to deduce one goodie from the tally.

So 6-2 or 5-3

Looking at the worse scenario first, aka that we lynch an innocent, we will be on 5-2 or 4-3 toMorrow morning.

The latter one looks pretty bad as it requires only one innocent to vote for another innocent for the baddies to rally into victory.

So they is a marked difference. Sam knows the answer but I do think we others should keep the worse scenario in mind when making our votes toDay.


Which brings me to the fact that I have little or nothing to say about a too big a company, namely Fea, Lottie, Nerwen, Shasta, Zil... I'll try to do something about it.

[wilwarin538]

Oh, and I'll be able to keep up with everything else that happens toDay on my breaks at work, my phone lets me come on the site but it won't let me post. :rolleyes: I'm just letting you all know incase someone sees me do something on Facebook or something in the next few hours and wonders why I can use the internet but can't come on here. Good luck!

x'ed with Noggins

[Nogrod]

This is terribly frustrating. I feel like I don't have enough information to make a good decisionSeconded (I was just looking the last line of my own post and the number of people I realised I had nothing much to say).

It is the new dynamics... where there isn't such teamplay involved one could try to read (like aiding mates in voting etc.) - and of course the small number of posts from nearly everyone. Let's change that.

[the phantom]

A bit busy right now, and feeling a bit disengaged and lethargic. I mean really, if it's Shasta or Nerwen we couldn't be expected to guess it given subnormal votes and participation. If it's Fea we couldn't be expected to guess given her volunteering of special gaming conditions and general random disinterest.

Meh, whatever. Just so long as Wilwa and I don't get lynched today I don't really care. Fight it out people. I would suggest a multi-lynch, but we can't do those.

I'm sort of in the mood for just attacking anyone that accuses me, as from my perspective it's as likely as anything to be some sort of evil plot.

Perhaps I won't reach 100 posts for once. :p

[Nerwen]

I'm sort of in the mood for just attacking anyone that accuses me, as from my perspective it's as likely as anything to be some sort of evil plot.
Isn't that *always* how it looks from your perspective, phantom?:p

[satansaloser2005]

Isn't that *always* how it looks from your perspective, phantom?:p


Possible post of the Day. I'm just sayin'.

[Nerwen]

Also, I'm getting sick of everyone saying I'm not posting. I've posted about as much as everyone else, actually. Which given my current circumstances has really been quite good of me, I think. So there.

EDIT:X'd with Moddess.

[Inziladun]

How could that have any bearing on your suspicion of me? From what I could gather, she voted me because she'd seen nothing that indicated my innocence, not because she saw anything to indicate my guilt. The only way it would have any affect on your suspicion is it makes it easier for you to lynch me. Is this post just another reiteration of how you suspect me, without furthering your claims any? You don't put forward points, you simply speculate on whether there might be some. This is so incredibly deja-vuish...I can remember at least two games off the top of my head where this exact same thing has happened. :rolleyes:

Not going to justify, or argue. Waste your vote if you like. Even better, let a few follow your lead, and let the good side see the result.

A bit busy right now, and feeling a bit disengaged and lethargic. I mean really, if it's Shasta or Nerwen we couldn't be expected to guess it given subnormal votes and participation. If it's Fea we couldn't be expected to guess given her volunteering of special gaming conditions and general random disinterest.

I agree with all. And that I find most frightening. :eek:

I'm sort of in the mood for just attacking anyone that accuses me, as from my perspective it's as likely as anything to be some sort of evil plot.

J'accuse! :p

[Nerwen]

Possible post of the Day. I'm just sayin'.
Thank you, O Moddess.

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[the phantom]

True, but I can't change my ways because of how incredibly often it actually happens like that.

Oops. Not supposed to be talking. *shuts up*

[Inziladun]

Also, I'm getting sick of everyone saying I'm not posting. I've posted about as much as everyone else, actually. Which given my current circumstances has really been quite good of me, I think. So there.

I can certainly sympathize. For me it's just been a matter of the perception that you haven't seemed as zealous in rooting out evil as usual. I'm very worried about you when I'm on the bad side. ;)

[Nerwen]

*is flattered"

[Nerwen]

All, the same, what kind of response is this?
Originally Posted by Loslote
How could that have any bearing on your suspicion of me? From what I could gather, she voted me because she'd seen nothing that indicated my innocence, not because she saw anything to indicate my guilt. The only way it would have any affect on your suspicion is it makes it easier for you to lynch me. Is this post just another reiteration of how you suspect me, without furthering your claims any? You don't put forward points, you simply speculate on whether there might be some. This is so incredibly deja-vuish...I can remember at least two games off the top of my head where this exact same thing has happened.
Not going to justify, or argue. Waste your vote if you like. Even better, let a few follow your lead, and let the good side see the result.

[Inziladun]

All, the same, what kind of response is this?

Merely that I'm not going to retread the same old ground.

[Nogrod]

Sorry. I had some frustrating problems with my mobile internet-card... Those are nice and handy but not too reliable. :(



Anyway. I decided to take first a look at yesterDay's voting as none had done that. And it is interesting. Here it is.

early vote Lhuna -> Lottie
- 2 hrs. Zil -> Lottie2
-.13 Lottie -> Zil
-.00 Fea -> Nog
-.00 Nog -> Lhuna
+.01 tp -> Zil2

Not voted Nerwen, Shasta, wilwa.

Now this tie looks like an interesting one. So did tp know the situation? Was it a deliberate tie and to what end? To save Lottie looks like the obvious reason (he has defended her all the game through I think), but saving an innocent or a bad Lottie?


If there were no baddies at stake yesterDay (near lynching), a tie would have been a bad idea to them as a no-lynch doesn't harvest our numbers.

If there was a baddie in danger, then they would have wished either to outvote the baddie or as the final reach create a tie.

Now of course there is an added factor, that one isn't quite sure if there will be others still voting (although on +.01 one should be quite sure).

So just asking you tp, why to go that far as to make it a no-lynch to save Lottie?


EDIT: X'd with pleasantly many...

[the phantom]

So just asking you tp, why to go that far as to make it a no-lynch to save Lottie?
I didn't know there'd be a no-lynch when I cast the vote (I thought there was a legit shot at Inzil- plus the Been-Stung vote doesn't count possibly and so on).

Anyway- just about to leave for Lincoln (for Sally's birthday party, yay!) (through bad thunderstorms, double yay!).

Anyway, bye bye. Have fun. Like I care.

++Nerwen

If I decide to read the thread tomorrow I hope to look back on today and see a huge war between Nerwen and Nog for who will be lynched. If that doesn't happen, then I'll.... do absolutely nothing.

Toodles.

[Inziladun]

Sorry. I had some frustrating problems with my mobile internet-card... Those are nice and handy but not too reliable. :(



Anyway. I decided to take first a look at yesterDay's voting as none had done that. And it is interesting. Here it is.

early vote Lhuna -> Lottie
- 2 hrs. Zil -> Lottie2
-.13 Lottie -> Zil
-.00 Fea -> Nog
-.00 Nog -> Lhuna
+.01 tp -> Zil2

Not voted Nerwen, Shasta, wilwa.

Now this tie looks like an interesting one. So did tp know the situation? Was it a deliberate tie and to what end? To save Lottie looks like the obvious reason (he has defended her all the game through I think), but saving an innocent or a bad Lottie?

A Lottie-lynch might yield some clues. ;)

Hm. Two votes for Nerwen, who's been fairly enigmatic to me thus far. One for Lottie, and one for Nog.

x/d with tp- Why's he so apathetic all of a sudden?

[Nerwen]

That does it, phantom is evil.

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[Inziladun]

That does it, phantom is evil.

He's clearly insane, but why evil?

[Nerwen]

He's clearly insane, but why evil?

Just my initial reaction. But seriously, why did he vote me, except that I had a random vote already?

[Nogrod]

I didn't know there'd be a no-lynch when I cast the vote (I thought there was a legit shot at Inzil- plus the Been-Stung vote doesn't count possibly and so on).So the phantom was unaware of a rule? Let me just not believe that. And in the meantime you seemed to be aware of the rule that there is a possibility that a stung one has a chance of her/his vote not counting (one I had totally forgotten). :rolleyes:

And the phantom takes the "like I care" attitude. Now where's the wind blowing from?

Anyway, as I have another idea about what he is doing as well (even if still don't buy that explanation on Lottie - and it doesn't fit my view of what he is up to at all, but maybe for personal pride or something like that), I'm actually recommending we'd check this pair out by lynching Lottie rather than tp.

I mean if Lottie is a baddie we then lynch tp toMorrow (unless she was Shelob herself who picked tp as her first spiderling; not totally an unexpected choice :)), and if she is not, there is a chance tp might help us in an unexpected way...

What say you?

[Nerwen]

Anyway, as I have another idea about what he is doing as well (even if still don't buy that explanation on Lottie - and it doesn't fit my view of what he is up to at all, but maybe for personal pride or something like that), I'm actually recommending we'd check this pair out by lynching Lottie rather than tp.

I mean if Lottie is a baddie we then lynch tp toMorrow (unless she was Shelob herself who picked tp as her first spiderling; not totally an unexpected choice ), and if she is not, there is a chance tp might help us in an unexpected way...

What say you?

Well, it looks like I'm going to need to vote for either you or Lottie to save myself, doesn't it?

[Loslote]

So the phantom was unaware of a rule? Let me just not believe that.

I believe what he meant was that he didn't know there would be a tie, not that he didn't know what would happen in case of a tie.

(unless she was Shelob herself who picked tp as her first spiderling; not totally an unexpected choice :))

One mis-spent Day as a wolf and one joke. Honestly. :rolleyes: I would not have chosen tp if I were Shelob. I'd probably choose people I've worked with before - Boro, Zil, or maybe Nienna. Or, in a stretch, possibly Nog.

Edit: xed with Nerwen

[Inziladun]

I don't know that I really want to lynch Nerwen at this point. And since this might indeed shed light on phantom:

++Lottie

[Loslote]

Well, it looks like I'm going to need to vote for either you or Lottie to save myself, doesn't it?

At this point, I'd be okay with a Nog lynch. His points almost work, but they don't quite, and to me, he's coming off as trying to manipulate us. The idea of Nog and Zil, maybe as fellow Spiderlings, is making more and more sense to me, and if a Zil lynch isn't going to happen, I'd be fine with settling for Nog.

[Nerwen]

++Lottie

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Nogrod]

I would not have chosen tp if I were Shelob. I'd probably choose people I've worked with before - Boro, Zil, or maybe Nienna. Or, in a stretch, possibly Nog.Shelob needs people with "staying power" and who's one if not tp? Somehow you don't strike as extremely honest here... I mean why not, like that categorically?

You're right that tp might not have been sure there would be a tie but he would have known there is a great probability for it...

[Nerwen]

At this point, I'd be okay with a Nog lynch. His points almost work, but they don't quite, and to me, he's coming off as trying to manipulate us. The idea of Nog and Zil, maybe as fellow Spiderlings, is making more and more sense to me, and if a Zil lynch isn't going to happen, I'd be fine with settling for Nog.

Sorry, too late.

[Nogrod]

Is Shasta around?

This will turn up a tie if we go the way it seems. I think we have a chance to get a baddie if we try Lottie and I am totally at loss with Nerwen.

[Loslote]

Sorry, too late.

Alas, it does seem that way...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I bet you thought I'd go three days without voting in a row, didn't you? Nope. Late, but I'm here. And what do I see but Phantom being defeatist? Phantom, really? We're far from done, here.

Now then. Let me see..

[Nogrod]

Let's not make another tie now, please.

I would vote for Lottie, Lottie would vote naturally for Nerwen.

That is a tie.

So Shasta, are you around?

[Nerwen]

Is Shasta around?
No idea.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Is Shasta around?

This will turn up a tie if we go the way it seems. I think we have a chance to get a baddie if we try Lottie and I am totally at loss with Nerwen.

Yes, yes I am. Surprise!

[Nerwen]

Wait, here's my treasure now.

EDIT:X'd with Shasta.

[Loslote]

This will turn up a tie if we go the way it seems.

I'm aiming for someone else's lynch first, but I will vote to make it a no-lynch if I have to. If I (an innocent) die toDay, we'll be at four innocents and three Spiders tomorrow (assuming Shelob can't sting anyone). But if there's a no-lynch, we'll be at five innocents and three Spiders - rather better odds.

Edit: Wow, that's a lot of x-ing. Since my last.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Let's not make another tie now, please.

I would vote for Lottie, Lottie would vote naturally for Nerwen.

That is a tie.

So Shasta, are you around?

...Does that mean my only choices are Nerwen and Lottie if I want to actually do anything with my vote?

[Loslote]

...Does that mean my only choices are Nerwen and Lottie if I want to actually do anything with my vote?

I haven't voted yet. So, technically, if we both voted for Nog...does that make it a tie still? Other than that, yeah, I think so.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I haven't voted yet. So, technically, if we both voted for Nog...does that make it a tie still? Other than that, yeah, I think so.

Well, in my last-minute reading I think I'd almost rather go for Inzil than either one of you. Is that strange? :confused:

However, I don't think he's a possibility (unless all three of you, me, and Nog vote him, and even then I don't think that's enough).

[Loslote]

Well, in my last-minute reading I think I'd almost rather go for Inzil than either one of you. Is that strange? :confused:

However, I don't think he's a possibility (unless all three of you, me, and Nog vote him, and even then I don't think that's enough).

Nog's voted already, hasn't he? And I agree with you absolutely about Zil.

[Nogrod]

++ Lottie


So it's up to you now as Shasta is around.

I've argued my case.

If Lottie is lynched and is not a baddie, do Wilwa check tp #405. If she is a baddie make your choice from elsewhere.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nog's voted already, hasn't he? And I agree with you absolutely about Zil.

...Okay. Given this post by Lottie, I think what I've tried to accomplish has paid off. Here's hoping, anyway. Rather Phantom of me, no?

++Lottie

[Loslote]

++Nerwen

It probably won't save me, but you've got another Day, guys. Zil and Nog, okay?

Edit: xed with Shasta. Thank you muchly. :p

[Nerwen]

Huh?:confused::(

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I x'd your speculation on Zil, but to be sure I'd like to check Lottie now as I'm weary about tp and her death would then make us clear on him.

[Nogrod]

This will probably give us some info...

[satansaloser2005]

Someone tell me who died....

[Loslote]

Someone tell me who died....

Alas, I believe I did. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry for the delay.

Lottie is dead. She was uninfected.

Frodo is crying silently in the corner. Alone.

[satansaloser2005]

I'll probably be busy at work for the next hour, so I'm just going to start the Day now.

Phrodo is dead. Sam found him in the Night and made his last few hours a bit more comfortable, but he is no longer with us. (I object to the implication that my birthday cake had anything to do with his unfortunate demise.)

Everyone else is alive. Start posting.



Here
Nog
Lhuna
Nerwen
Wilwa
Shasta
Dun
Fea


Gone
Glirdan
Nienna
Bom
Boro
Lottie
Phantom

[Inziladun]

First, Happy Birthday to SallyModdess!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So Lottie was innocent and tp was Frodo? Wow. I couldn't understand why Lottie was after me so single-mindedly, and her being a spiderling acting under orders seemed a likely explanation.

No sting last Night due to Frodo's death, so something of a silver lining there. I wonder about Nog and Nerwen, but then I wonder about the others whom I've pretty much let slide. Finding Shelob seems as much a shot in the dark as it did at the start. :rolleyes:

However, I'm rather curious about this:

...Okay. Given this post by Lottie, I think what I've tried to accomplish has paid off. Here's hoping, anyway. Rather Phantom of me, no?

++Lottie

So..what were you trying to accomplish, Shasta? And why Lottie?

[satansaloser2005]

First, Happy Birthday to SallyModdess!


You are not impaled by falling stalactites. You feel as if the Cupcake has smiled upon you.



(Aka thank you.)

[Lhunardawen]

I might have a busy day ahead.

For now I would just like to say that after last Night's events, I'm beginning to rethink my inclination to trust Nerwen. And I need to take a closer look at Shasta. I'm still unsure about Nogrod.

Aside from that, this game has been frustrating thus far. Five Days and no lynched baddie? How many does this make the dark side? 1 Shelob and 2 spiderlings still, right? Meaning we have to lynch either Shelob or a spiderling toDay if we want to win the game for the good side. By any luck at least one of the three I mentioned above might be evil. Gah.

[Inziladun]

For now I would just like to say that after last Night's events, I'm beginning to rethink my inclination to trust Nerwen. And I need to take a closer look at Shasta. I'm still unsure about Nogrod.

I'm wary of Shasta myself. He's been pretty scarce overall, then pops in at the last minute yesterDay to jump on the Lottie-wagon.
I think I could support a Nerwen-lynch toDay, as well. I see tp voted for her, and since we know he was innocent, at least his intentions can be trusted.
Nog has given me some reassuring vibes at at times, but I can't shake the feeling that he's being very careful.

[Nerwen]

That's funny, Zil, because after last Night I'm wondering about Nog, Shasta and you. And Wilwa, I suppose, though that may have been a genuine random vote. I feel I was completely railroaded into voting Lottie.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm more comfortable with a Shasta lynch than a Nerwen lynch, but that's just me.

If you turn out to be a baddie, Zil, I'm going to hate you as long as we're both decaying in this barrow. :p (You can ask Eomer - I never got over hating him after Werewolf VII. :D)

[Nerwen]

I'm more comfortable with a Shasta lynch than a Nerwen lynch, but that's just me.

Me too, oddly enough.

I think there must be at least two baddies in the group Zil + Nog + Shasta. Probably not all three, as I don't see why they'd want to stick their necks* out that far just to get an ordo lynched.

I'm really quite annoyed with phantom. He should have known that a vote like that is usually a gift to the evil side. It just seems like he knew he was dying, so he didn't care any more.


*Not that spiders have necks, come to think of it.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm really quite annoyed with phantom. He should have known that a vote like that is usually a gift to the evil side. It just seems like he knew he was dying, so he didn't care any more.
ARGH. Should have known that was what caused his sudden apathy.

Everything makes perfect sense in hindsight. :rolleyes:

[Lhunardawen]

Day 4 votes:

(early) Fea: Lottie (no reason to trust her)
(early) Lhuna: Noggie (best bet for Shelob)
(early) wilwa: Nerwen (gut feel)
(:10) the phantom: Nerwen - 2 (subnormal votes and participation?)
(:39) Zil: Lottie - 2 (to "save" Nerwen; shed some light on the phantom)
(:42) Nerwen: Lottie - 3 (to save herself, I would suppose)
(:56) Noggie: Lottie - 4 (I guess also to shed light on the phantom?)
(:59) Shasta: Lottie - 5 (because of this post from Lottie Nog's voted already, hasn't he? And I agree with you absolutely about Zil. in response to this post of his Well, in my last-minute reading I think I'd almost rather go for Inzil than either one of you. Is that strange? :confused:

However, I don't think he's a possibility (unless all three of you, me, and Nog vote him, and even then I don't think that's enough). which I don't really get. What did he mean by Zil being "a possibility" - possible lynch victim or possible Shelob? And how did Lottie agreeing with him end up with her being dead by his hands?)

(:59) Lottie: Nerwen - 3 (futile attempt to save herself, I would suppose)


So Shasta and Noggie look the worst in this voting. And the possibility of Shasta and/or Noggie being eight-legged just increased when I read back on yesterDay, I'm not really sure why. I would really like to lynch Shasta toDay to make things clearer, and to get a baddie.


Random thought: At least we now know one person Shelob did sting: the phantom. The question is not so much why, but why on Night 4? Is there anything that happened the Day before that could explain that and help lead us to Shelob? --> half-rhetoric, half-"Help me guys, I can't analyse this alone and I need your feedback"

[Shastanis Althreduin]

First, Happy Birthday to SallyModdess!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So Lottie was innocent and tp was Frodo? Wow. I couldn't understand why Lottie was after me so single-mindedly, and her being a spiderling acting under orders seemed a likely explanation.

No sting last Night due to Frodo's death, so something of a silver lining there. I wonder about Nog and Nerwen, but then I wonder about the others whom I've pretty much let slide. Finding Shelob seems as much a shot in the dark as it did at the start. :rolleyes:

However, I'm rather curious about this:



So..what were you trying to accomplish, Shasta? And why Lottie?


Okay, so here's the deal.

The reason I went after Lottie at the last minute - I thought she was a spiderling, who thought I was a spiderling. Make sense?

No?

Let me go farther.

The spiderlings don't know who their partners are. So I figured, once there was a number of spiderlings (as opposed to just one), I'd try and cross their wires a bit. I came in yesterDay with a random suspicion of Inzil, whom I hadn't mentioned at all previously, and Lottie immediately jumped on it - that and her other post around the same time (which was also pro-whatever I was saying) made me think she was a spiderling who thought she'd pegged me as another spiderling.

Now, funnily enough, we've got a trio of Inzil/Nerwen/Lhuna all of a sudden, out-of-the-blue considering me as a possible lynch.. having previously just mentioned me as "someone to look at". We've also, coincidentally, got a trio of Shelob/Spiderling/Spiderling. Hmmm.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I would really like to lynch Shasta toDay to make things clearer, and to get a baddie.


Oho, really now? That last bit seems like an afterthought, to me. So you'd like to lynch me for information, hmmm? On a day as crucial as today is, when we have to get a baddie or lose?

And I'm curious as to how a simple reread of yesterDay caused you to think worse of me... considering I wasn't even here for all but about a half hour of it. :rolleyes:

I'm virtually certain there are two baddies in the trio I mentioned earlier (Inzil/Nerwen/Lhuna), but I think Lhuna has just made herself my first lynch choice.

[Lhunardawen]

:eek:

Zil voted against Lottie to "save" Nerwen.

What if Zil did vote against Lottie to save Nerwen?

I mean granted, Zil had been suspecting Lottie rather consistently, but it could have just turned out to be convenient.

And granted they're sort of suspecting each other now (well, mostly Nerwen suspecting Zil), but I guess they could be bold enough to do it now with the numbers very closely in their favour.

Or maybe I'm completely off my rocker.

EDIT: x'd with Shasta

[Nogrod]

That was a quiet start of the Day...

tp, why did you have to do that? You say from the very beginning that Lottie is not to be lynched and then you take the risk of causing a tie and a no lynch by saving her on extra-time... How did you think that would read out anything else but B-A-D-D-I-E-S? Had you just like given an explanation as to why? But no, others may need to argue their suspicions or trusts, but for the phantom it is enough he just says how things are, right?

*Frustration vented off*

So back to the drawing board then.


Fea I have no idea whatsoever. It would be quite unfair if she were Shelob, but also our own problem to decide whether we want to check her for that or not. Anyway I'd see her more likely as a decent victim of a sting as she might just be able to avoid lynching because of her erratic playing-style.

Shasta I have little to say about which has something to do with his scarce appearances. I do agree with Zil that his stated reason for voting for Lottie looks pretty strange, and one I'd appreciate a clarification on.

Lhuna probably still is my best bet as now, but at the same time I'm annoyingly aware of the fact that what I have against her depends on something that happened early on in the game and which includes some major "ifs" as well. And maybe a tiny little factor is her retaliatory stance. It should not be but sure it affects my judgement on her: if she is a goodie I do hope she'd try to work for going after baddies and not only limit her doings in retaliation.


Hey! People are posting! Good.

I'll continue with my list of impressions after reading the latest.

[Nogrod]

I'm eating my words on Lhuna not doing anything but retaliating... That's more like what I'd like to see from everyone.

And you made a good question there as well, why was tp stinged on N4 (why not earlier, I'd ask - or was there something there on D3)? I'm going to take a look at there.

Also it's good to finally start having these trios into speculation - and a high time for it. I'll try to look at things also from that perspective later toDay.

I'm feeling immediately more optimistic when people start posting and actually arguing over things. Way to go.

[Lhunardawen]

The reason I went after Lottie at the last minute - I thought she was a spiderling, who thought I was a spiderling. Make sense?

No?

Let me go farther.

The spiderlings don't know who their partners are. So I figured, once there was a number of spiderlings (as opposed to just one), I'd try and cross their wires a bit. I came in yesterDay with a random suspicion of Inzil, whom I hadn't mentioned at all previously, and Lottie immediately jumped on it - that and her other post around the same time (which was also pro-whatever I was saying) made me think she was a spiderling who thought she'd pegged me as another spiderling.
I'm not convinced. Lottie has been suspicious of Zil from the start.

Now, funnily enough, we've got a trio of Inzil/Nerwen/Lhuna all of a sudden, out-of-the-blue considering me as a possible lynch.. having previously just mentioned me as "someone to look at". We've also, coincidentally, got a trio of Shelob/Spiderling/Spiderling. Hmmm.
I'm not considering you out of the blue, I've been wary of you for the past couple of Days (but mentioned it only on Day 3 because I was too focused on Noggie yesterDay) for being too submarine. And then yesterDay's voting made you stand out.

I can assure you that if we lynch me, it will be bad for the good side.

[Nogrod]

First some big news!

I seem to have remembered something on D3 I had after that totally forgotten - and I seem not to be the only one...
But the nasty fact is, that if we lynch more innocents and no rangering or healing takes place (and Lhuna's numbers are correct), we'll have toMorrow Shelob + two spiderlings against one stinged and three other innocents. Then lynching an innocent (even the stinged one) toMorrow means we lose.

Oh wait... didn't the number of the baddies need to outnumber the innocents this time? *checked, right they have to* Okay that gives us one more chance, although if a stinged one is not healed the lobber-gang will win.So we will not lose this toDay but will have two Days to turn this better.



I checked D3 and am not too sure I found anything decisive, but maybe something.

Nerwen and Lhuna suspected tp. Nerwen more carefully questioning his actions (though she voted for him the Day before), Lhuna more like getting points against him. Lottie was also slightly suspecting tp.

tp said Wilwa is innocent, Lottie at most stinged the Night before, Lhuna likely not stinged (according to what I think now outdated theory as Sam most probably has denied doing it).

tp asks Zil how phantomcentric he is. Zil says not as a rule, but needs to battle against that... :rolleyes:

tp thought Nerwen his best bet and repeated he would wish to get her lynched if there was a chance. Saved Lottie in the end.


My thought is that stinging tp would be extra-dangerous for Shelob, as if someone, then he would be one able to let others know he has been stinged and thus give Sam a decent chance of healing him (actually said that in my post #325). But looking at from that way I think it makes Nerwen look a bit better as if tp was suspecting her she might have been the one to gain a lot of attention by him the next Day. So to a Nerlob stinging tp would have been very risky indeed.

Lottie and Lhuna suspect phantom from a position where they are more or less trusted by him (and Lottie already now gone). Whuch means Lhuna could have been more confident in trying to sting tp. But that isn't much either.

anyway the one doing it must have either thought s/he was in no big trouble if s/he stinged him - or just didn't think about the dangerousness of that bussiness.



Okay. Greenie came to spend the weekend with me a bit earlier I thought (and there will be a semifinal match between Finland and Russia in the World Championships this evening), but I will still be hanging some time here as well during the rest of the Day. Hopefully being able to do something of consequence.

Also I'm looking forwards to Sam opening his mouth and giving us some thoughts from the brainstorming with Frodo.

But for now, I'm off...

[Nerwen]

:eek:

Zil voted against Lottie to "save" Nerwen.

What if Zil did vote against Lottie to save Nerwen?

I mean granted, Zil had been suspecting Lottie rather consistently, but it could have just turned out to be convenient.

And granted they're sort of suspecting each other now (well, mostly Nerwen suspecting Zil), but I guess they could be bold enough to do it now with the numbers very closely in their favour.

Or maybe I'm completely off my rocker.

You're completely off your rocker.:p Actually, though, it is possible that Zil (or Nog or Shasta) is a Spiderling who thinks I'm another– though I have no idea why that would be, as I really don't think I've been particularly suspicious, nor can I recall saying anything that could be construed as an eight-legged hint. So I think it's more likely Zil took the opportunity to lynch Lottie, who had been after him for ages.

This might even be an honest reaction– I said one of them has to be evil, not that it has to be Zil. His vote did pretty much force the issue, though.


I came in yesterDay with a random suspicion of Inzil, whom I hadn't mentioned at all previously, and Lottie immediately jumped on it - that and her other post around the same time (which was also pro-whatever I was saying) made me think she was a spiderling who thought she'd pegged me as another spiderling.
I'm not convinced. Lottie has been suspicious of Zil from the start.
Mmmn. My turtledove, Lottie had been pointing at Zil and yelling "SPIDER! SPIDER!" since about Day 2. Did you really manage to miss this?

EDIT:X'd with Nog.

[Inziladun]

If you turn out to be a baddie, Zil, I'm going to hate you as long as we're both decaying in this barrow. :p (You can ask Eomer - I never got over hating him after Werewolf VII. :D)

I would say the same of you. I have no plans to vote for you, and if you turn out to be evil, especially if you're Shelob, you're my Day 1 vote from now on. ;)

I think there must be at least two baddies in the group Zil + Nog + Shasta. Probably not all three, as I don't see why they'd want to stick their necks* out that far just to get an ordo lynched.

Nog's vote yesterDay looks better than Shasta's. It's possible an evil Nog could have taken advantage of the chance to lynch an innocent Lottie, but his reasoning (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=654604&postcount=416) seems sound enough to me.

Mmmn. My turtledove, Lottie had been pointing at Zil and yelling "SPIDER! SPIDER!" since about Day 2. Did you really manage to miss this?

Indeed. Lottie was hardly getting after me just because Shasta tricked her into it. Shasta= spiderling?

[wilwarin538]

If Lottie is lynched and is not a baddie, do Wilwa check tp #405. If she is a baddie make your choice from elsewhere.

Nog, can you clarify what you were trying to say here? At first glance I thought you were trying to say that if Lottie was innocent, I would look more suspicious, but that makes no sense, so I don't know what this means. Unless you were trying to tell me something about phantom, but in that case I don't know what Lottie has to do with that. So yeah, confused.

We have 2 Days before we lose if we don't get a spider, right? And someone is guaranteed to get stung toNight, since Sam can't do anything. So getting Shelob toDay would be super awesome.

Fea isn't Shelob, she could be a spiderling, because I think she'd be someone most people would want on their side, especially since no one seems to have the desire to lynch her. But our priority needs to be Shelob, so we should just leave her be. I'd also be super surprised if Shasta was Shelob.

So who's left: Nog, Inzil, Nerwen and Lhuna. I'm fairly equally suspicious of all of them. They all seem like possible Shelobs to me, so I will go back and look over them a bit more. Just off gut feeling though, I'm leaning towards Nog or Nerwen.

[Nogrod]

Nog, can you clarify what you were trying to say here? Easily.

Just as it reads: if Lottie is lynched and is innocent it means phantom is probably a goodie as well - and thus his hinting is something you should pay heed to, and thus not a baddie bluff. But if Lottie turned out a baddie (and not Shelob), then you should not listen to the siren songs made by tp as he would be a mate in crime.

What Lottie has to do with tp? You must be blind (or you have not read the thread).

tp declares Lottie good and not to be lynched like on D1. tp risks / causes no-lynch to save Lottie on "overtime" - with no explanation whatsoever. How do you read it? Baddies (Lottie choosing tp as her first minion felt like a very reasonable choice).

But then his increased hinting about his role made me uneasy. If he was indeed calling for Sam in earnest then we should not lynch him as not to deny him his chance to discuss with Sam - but he could be a baddie as well who came up with this scheme of acting like Frodo and possibly straying Sam into guessing wrong.

That's why - heavily suspecting him and Lottie doing things evilly together, but being afraid he could on anpther interpretation have a goodie-role - I wanted to find it out for good by lynching Lottie (whose role was instrumental in finding it out).

Why did I think tp was Frodo? Look at his early post where he says that if Sam makes it wrong we lose the entire game... Isn't that rather extreme interpretation of our situation? Well not according to phantom as the game is lost if he isn't allowed to discuss with Sam and organise the end-game... :D

Fea isn't Shelob, she could be a spiderling, because I think she'd be someone most people would want on their side, especially since no one seems to have the desire to lynch her. But our priority needs to be Shelob, so we should just leave her be.
I agree with you with Fea being a possibly tempting target for stinging (actually said it alredy toDay), but what makes you so confident she just can't be / isn't Shelob? You make it sound quite catecorigal...

I also agree with the top priority, well who doesn't as the game ends with the death of Shelob :), but I'd be happier to lynch a probable spiderling than a possible Shelob - if you get what I mean? And no, I'm not saying we should rush lynching Fea. I think we should look widely around.

[satansaloser2005]

Ahem. There are only three hours until deadline, and there are very few posts.

Fix this.

Kthnxdie....erm, bye.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Re-doing and finishing the list I started earlier toDay.

Fea: As I've said now twice - a possible / probable spiderling because of being a safe sting for Shelob (not too high chance Sam rangers or heals her but not easily lynched either).

Shasta: A basic dilemma between a possibly reasonable trick and needing to pull out an afterwards explanation. It would be odd he had not noticed Lottie had been after Zil for more or less the whole game though.

Lhuna: One that could have had nerves to sting phantom as he seemed to trust her openly. But like I said earlier, knowing tp and his ability to make his point known then stinging him would have been a really bad idea as he could make himself known to Sam for healing (Shelob couldn't have known he was Frodo anyway).

Nerwen: She was suspecting phantom enough to vote him on D2. Would have been more or less suicidal to sting tp as she was the only one tp consistently wished to lynch. Unless she felt so much pressure from him that she decided to act on it sooner than later?

Inzil: Here I see my lack of time as I have no decent view on him (well he seems always to be a hard one for me to read). But I see many people have suspected him, so why wouldn't someone suspecting him come forwards with a kind of summa summarum suspicion, why is it you suspect him so that even I kew where to look and at which points.

wilwa: I think everyone of us have had their fair share of suspicion (except for Fea maybe), but none speaks of you. So it seems that even the baddies feel restrained to question you (I have been waiting for someone to do so), so it's good to have one on board we do not even consider lynching and thus one choice less.


Finland meets Russia in ice hockey semifinals and I'll start to look at the game with Greenie, but I'll have my laptop open and try to view this every now and then the next two hours...

[Lhunardawen]

Hmmm. Not a lot of new posts. It's late and I'm tired and should really go to bed.

So at this point my primary suspects remain Shasta and Nog, with Nerwen somewhere behind.

Nogrod, I do have to thank you for taking my question seriously and trying to make sense out of something I didn't get the chance to answer myself.

++Shastanis Althreduin

for being a submarine, his flimsy reasoning for sealing Lottie's fate yesterDay, and getting all defensive, like so:
I'm virtually certain there are two baddies in the trio I mentioned earlier (Inzil/Nerwen/Lhuna), but I think Lhuna has just made herself my first lynch choice.
Noggie, how's this for retaliatory?

Good night (morning, actually), all.

[wilwarin538]

K, that's what I figured you meant by it Nog, but initially upon reading it, it almost sounded like you were saying I would look bad if Lottie was innocent (and since you have seemed to trust me, I didn't get why you thought that). Makes sense now.

I don't think Fea is Shelob, mostly based on sort of meta-reasoning. She seems to have joined with Sally understanding that she couldn't be overly active, so I don't see Sally giving her such an important role (and she wasn't even part of the game right from the start). I think if she had that role she would be participating more, but right now she seems more like an ordo who's just having fun messing with us. Also, if she's a spiderling, she probably would have to had to have been one from the start, and since she wasn't technically playing from the start, that's unlikely. So yeah, she can't be a spiderling, and she's unlikely to be Shelob.

[Inziladun]

So at this point my primary suspects remain Shasta and Nog, with Nerwen somewhere behind.

I'd be tempted to put Nog behind Nerwen, but I basically agree.

Nogrod, I do have to thank you for taking my question seriously and trying to make sense out of something I didn't get the chance to answer myself.

++Shastanis Althreduin

for being a submarine, his flimsy reasoning for sealing Lottie's fate yesterDay, and getting all defensive, like so:

Noggie, how's this for retaliatory?

I can't really fault the vote, though I'd like to see Shasta come back before I would follow suit.

I don't think Fea is Shelob, mostly based on sort of meta-reasoning. She seems to have joined with Sally understanding that she couldn't be overly active, so I don't see Sally giving her such an important role (and she wasn't even part of the game right from the start). I think if she had that role she would be participating more, but right now she seems more like an ordo who's just having fun messing with us. Also, if she's a spiderling, she probably would have to had to have been one from the start, and since she wasn't technically playing from the start, that's unlikely. So yeah, she can't be a spiderling, and she's unlikely to be Shelob.

I see your points and they're valid, but I can't totally rule Fea out as Shelob. I will refrain from making her my focus, though.

[wilwarin538]

Uh, I wish I could have put more time into this today.

I actually think our best bet is Nog right now for Shelob. The reasons he went after Lottie yesterDay don't make a lot of sense to me. And out of the possibilities he seems the most likely to me to have attacked Phantom. And he's trusting me very easily, which I appreciate, but also makes me really uncomfortable.

I also see Lhuna as being unlikely as Shelob, and it's because her and I haven't played together very often/recently, and I know that sounds odd. Though she could have been the person stung from the beginning. Inzil and Nerwen have both sort of gone under my radar, but the thing that stands out about them to me is that neither of them seemed to clue in to who Phantom was yesterday, when seriously it was beyond obvious.

It's somewhat on gut, but from what I can see, Nog just seems most likely to be Shelob.

x'ed with Inzil

[Nogrod]

I actually think our best bet is Nog right now for Shelob. The reasons he went after Lottie yesterDay don't make a lot of sense to me. And out of the possibilities he seems the most likely to me to have attacked Phantom. And he's trusting me very easily, which I appreciate, but also makes me really uncomfortable.

I also see Lhuna as being unlikely as Shelob, and it's because her and I haven't played together very often/recently, and I know that sounds odd. Though she could have been the person stung from the beginning.
I am trusting you wilwa because of what you say there in the quote (see the bolded part), which you said already back then. You were the only one to counter the idea that Lhuna was saved/healed by Sam. Having looked at your consequent actions from that perspective have made me more confident of it. tp's actions - and him turning out Frodo made it obvious. So that should be quite common knowledge right now.

Actually I think it would have been against the best interests of the baddies to try and bring trust to you forwards in the open as it would lessen - if not deny - their chances of lynching you. Shelob and spiderlings would stay quiet about you or try to get you lynched.

I do hope you had more to say than hunch or feel you seem to refer to with Lhuna, Fea and partly even me. It's very hard to me to follow your lead if you play it that way. :confused:

PS. What in the Lottie / tp affair you do not understand? It is perfectly clear. Even if tp disapproves if not everyone takes his every great idea as self evident truth, you could use your own mind as well as we need to catch baddies here. (Sorry, but I hear tp talking behind your words)

EDIT-ADD: heh, I just realised where your suspicion comes from... Oh my. So having brains and cababilities of inference makes you suspect of knowing things like only one would know. Blah. Well, then you guys are better off without me... or then please start playing.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, my official guess: Nog as Shelob, Inzil and Nerwen as spiderlings.

All 3 of them yesterday wanted to lynch Lottie to shed light on Phantom's role. I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo. There was really no other good reason to go for Lottie, it was all about trying to find out more about Phantom. The baddies wouldn't want to lynch Phantom himself, because that would be a waste, they wanted the double kills.

Shasta was also voting Lottie for a similar reason, so I can see the possibility that he might be a spiderling, but I'm more inclined towards Nerwen and Inzil.

And I have to leave for work in 10 minutes. *sigh* This game is frustrating.

[Nogrod]

Finlad leads against Russia 2-1! :D

[Nogrod]

I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo.And you think a baddie phantom would not have been able to pull that kind of stunt off?

That was exactly my worry that he was Frodo! And I said that already...

phantom stopping caring about the game? Haven't you seen that trick been pulled off time after time and do you think he couldn't use it as a baddie or as Frodo (to call your attention, in both cases).

We didn't know which one he was yesterDay.

He was either Frodo or a baddie pulling a Frodo. That's why I wanted to check Lottie (whom he had defended without any argumented reason from early on).

[wilwarin538]

Actually I think it would have been against the best interests of the baddies to try and bring trust to you forwards in the open as it would lessen - if not deny - their chances of lynching you. Shelob and spiderlings would stay quiet about you or try to get you lynched.

I strongly disagree. It would be better to have everyone trust me, and then have me trust Shelob (therefore having everyone trust Shelob, and making her invincible). So I'm not trusting anyone, unless I have very very good reasons.

I do hope you had more to say than hunch or feel you seem to refer to with Lhuna, Fea and partly even me. It's very hard to me to follow your lead if you play it that way. :confused:

It's not hunch, I have reasons, but I have no choice but to label them as hunches since I can't share my reasons.

PS. What in the Lottie / tp affair you do not understand? It is perfectly clear. Even if tp disapproves if not everyone takes his every great idea as self evident truth, you could use your own mind as well as we need to catch baddies here. (Sorry, but I hear tp talking behind your words)


A situation that occurs often in this game that makes no sense to me: "Oh I suspect this person A, so I'm going to lynch this other person B, who A trusts, in order to shed more light on A, instead of just lynching A themselves". That's sort of rediculous. You guys lynched Lottie for the pure reason of finding out more about Phantom. Why not just lynch Phantom and find out quicker?

[Inziladun]

Ok, my official guess: Nog as Shelob, Inzil and Nerwen as spiderlings.

All 3 of them yesterday wanted to lynch Lottie to shed light on Phantom's role. I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo. There was really no other good reason to go for Lottie, it was all about trying to find out more about Phantom. The baddies wouldn't want to lynch Phantom himself, because that would be a waste, they wanted the double kills.

Difficult as it may seem to believe, not everyone is always on board with tp's schemes. I never know when to trust him, and I've learned not to take all that he says at face value.

Also, like Shasta, you seem to ignore the fact that I wanted to lynch Lottie starting around Day 2. Shedding light on tp was an afterthought.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

[Nogrod]

Why do you wilwa think I asked you to chek his posts?

Because I thought you are Sam and tp is Frodo (depending on Lottie's role). If Lottie would have been a baddie then tp would have most probably been one as well and his Frodo.thing would have been a stunt.

How hard is that to understand?

X'd with wilwa & zil

[wilwarin538]

And you think a baddie phantom would not have been able to pull that kind of stunt off?

That was exactly my worry that he was Frodo! And I said that already...

phantom stopping caring about the game? Haven't you seen that trick been pulled off time after time and do you think he couldn't use it as a baddie or as Frodo (to call your attention, in both cases).

We didn't know which one he was yesterDay.

He was either Frodo or a baddie pulling a Frodo. That's why I wanted to check Lottie (whom he had defended without any argumented reason from early on).

No one else was acting at all like Frodo. There's no one in this game who doesn't know what they are doing, no one in this game as Frodo would just sit back and let Phantom fool Sam into choosing wrong. It was obvious, I'm sticking by that.

And now I really have to leave.

Please just all vote together everyone. If I'm wrong I'll take the full blame.

++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

A situation that occurs often in this game that makes no sense to me: "Oh I suspect this person A, so I'm going to lynch this other person B, who A trusts, in order to shed more light on A, instead of just lynching A themselves". That's sort of rediculous. You guys lynched Lottie for the pure reason of finding out more about Phantom. Why not just lynch Phantom and find out quicker?JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I AND YOU SAID! That phantom could have been Frodo as well! Too much risk involved as giving you a chance to speak with him could be valuable. (If his advice to you is this... then we should have lynched him and his pride and have Lottie with us)

*frustration*


EDIT: X'd with wilwa.

Oh my. Well, your choice.

[satansaloser2005]

Calm, now, my children. Deep breaths. And cake. Obviously cake.

*snuggles everyone equally, except Phantom, because he didn't bring Voldy along the other day like he promised*

[Nogrod]

No one else was acting at all like Frodo. There's no one in this game who doesn't know what they are doing, no one in this game as Frodo would just sit back and let Phantom fool Sam into choosing wrong. It was obvious, I'm sticking by that. There is a strict rule on not revealing / false revealing. I think a few of us have already crossed that boundary.

Some people I hope and think stick to the rules. :confused:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Um, I'm pretty sure I never said Lottie didn't suspect Inzil. I'm saying there was no real chance of lynching Inzil yesterday, so it struck me as odd that Lottie would be so gung-ho about jumping on my random suspicion. It looked like she was agreeing with whatever I said. I don't really see a problem with my reasoning.

Also, Lhuna, doesn't calling me "defensive" remind you of a story about a pot and a kettle? :p

[satansaloser2005]

There is a strict rule on not revealing / false revealing. I think a few of us have already crossed that boundary.

Some people I hope and think stick to the rules. :confused:

Leeeeettle bit, yeah, but I'm being benevolent about the degree of hints because we've had so many dropouts and the like. And because I love you all. And stuff.

Still. Let's all play nice and see what happens. After all, there was also a strict rule on not having shouting matches with other players (not that anyone has yet, but I don't want it to come to that, even on these, our last Days).

I have to make a phone call for work. Someone make sure there's entertainment when I get back. Thanks.

~~Sallycakes~~



EDIT: x'd with Shasticle <3

[Nogrod]

Of course Sally.

No problem. False alarm. Nothing bad happened.

I just get frustrated sometimes when people decide beforehand what they think and don't listen... :rolleyes:

I do think we're still good friends wilwa and I even if we now disagree about some in-game facts.


*off to the ice hockey match - back later*

[satansaloser2005]

Of course Sally.

No problem. False alarm. Nothing bad happened.

I just get frustrated sometimes when people decide beforehand what they think and don't listen... :rolleyes:

I do think we're still good friends wilwa and I even if we now disagree about some in-game facts.


*off to the ice hockey match - back later*



I know, precious. Nobody did anything wrong, but I wanted to make sure we can all (repeat, all) keep our tempers in check, because it's been stressful for everyone and the last thing any of us needs to do is to get upset about Werewolf.


*snuggles you tight, sends a piece of cake with you*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And where's Fea, anyway? It's hardly fair to single me out for being a 'submarine' - I'm certainly not the only one. Both times I didn't vote, I told Sally why, and they were valid reasons, so...

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

The problem is, we have three baddies and they can risk doing things together and form a voting-block. We have now two candidates to lynch. If we both are innocents we're deep in trouble. If Shasta is a baddie they can still gather three more votes to me.

That's what I am afraid of. An innocent's vote to an innocent is what we don't need now.

Although I'm not sure how ready they are for that as if Sam manages to stop their sting they'd need to meet us with even numbers toMorrow.


Finland leads Russia 3-0!

*back to game for a while*

[Inziladun]

The problem is, we have three baddies and they can risk doing things together and form a voting-block. We have now two candidates to lynch. If we both are innocents we're deep in trouble. If Shasta is a baddie they can still gather three more votes to me.

That's what I am afraid of. An innocent's vote to an innocent is what we don't need now.

Although I'm not sure how ready they are for that as if Sam manages to stop their sting they'd need to meet us with even numbers toMorrow.

I believe Sam's protective powers have deserted him, now that Frodo's gone.

[satansaloser2005]

I believe Sam's protective powers have deserted him, now that Frodo's gone.

This is relatively accurate. He has no protection powers toNight.

[Nerwen]

Umm. Nog's frustration at Wilwa sounds quite genuine, actually.


~Wilwa, if you're still around– I saw that phantom had become very apathetic and had voted me apparently on a whim– if that's the "Frodo hint" I think it's a strange one, to say the least, and if it's something else I honestly didn't pick it up. And either way I also don't see why it follows that I "should" have sat back and let myself be lynched. I mean, really.

EDIT:X'd with Zil and Moddess.

[satansaloser2005]

Umm. Nog's frustration at Wilwa sounds quite genuine, actually.


~Wilwa, if you're still around– I saw that phantom had become very apathetic and had voted me apparently on a whim– if that's the "Frodo hint" I think it's a strange one, to say the least, and if it's something else I honestly didn't pick it up. And either way I also don't see why it follows that I "should" have sat back and let myself be lynched. I mean, really.



Wilwa is gone for the rest of the Day. Just FYI.

[Inziladun]

This is relatively accurate. He has no protection powers toNight.

Ah. I thought when Frodo died Sam lost his powers permanently.