WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[satansaloser2005]

If Frodo is attacked in the Night, the following happens:
1. Sam is notified at Dawn after Frodo is attacked, but is not told Frodo’s identity. Even if he finds Frodo by the end of the Day, he will not be able to save him. Instead, he is able to PM with Frodo during the Night (if he holds his guess until after Nightfall, he can PM for the remainder of the Night) where Frodo would normally turn into a spawn of Shelob. (Note: Frodo is not told the identity of Shelob, so he would not be able to give it to Sam.) At the end of that Night, Frodo dies.
2. If/When Sam finds Frodo’s body, he will strike out at Shelob’s lair. While he cannot kill Shelob on his own, he has the strength and anger to prevent Shelob from making an attack that Night. He will then spend his Evening with Frodo, and when Frodo dies Sam will spend the next Night in mourning/angst.
In game terms, this means that the Night after Frodo is attacked, both Sam and Shelob will be out of power, and the Night after that Sam will be unable to stop Shelob from attacking anyone.

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[satansaloser2005]

Votes!

Lhuna-->Shasta
Wilwa-->Nog

[Nerwen]

Ugh. I'm not sure who to vote. Nog, Shasta, and Zil are here, I believe, and if it's two of them, and I vote the wrong person...

Also I'm not as happy about voting any of them as I was earlier, just from what's been posted in the meantime, but common sense says at least one of them is evil.

Edit:X'd with 3 Modesses and one Zil.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, if you're evil, my heart, then it could easily not be any of the three. :p

I'm obviously not going to vote myself - I'll vote Nog if I have to, but to be honest, I haven't really considered him one way or the other. I suppose he could be evil, but you three look more devious at the moment (especially as I've borne the brunt of a frustrated Nog before - I tend to recognize it :p).

[Inziladun]

Ugh. I'm not sure who to vote. Nog, Shasta, and Zil are here, I believe, and if it's two of them, and I vote the wrong person...


A conundrum, to be sure. Especially when I'm pretty well convinced that I'm looking at at least one baddie in the Nerwen / Nog / Shasta triumvirate.

x/d with Shasta

[Nogrod]

Lhuna -> Shasta 1
wilwa -> Nogrod 1

To vote:
Fea
Inzil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Shasta

The horror-scenario: Lhuna is a baddie and thus Shasta is innocent as well. Thus we'd have two innocents on the line and as we'd be basically reluctant to spread the vote as that would increase the chances of the baddies to manipulate the voting that would be like a walk in the park to them.

Where is Fea? How many votes do we have for real?

PS. No, I'm not in anyway confident that Shasta is innocent, but I do suspect Lhuna more at this time (especially the "who would sting tp" thing + that Sam said he hadn't saved/healed her etc...).

[Nerwen]

A conundrum, to be sure. Especially when I'm pretty well convinced that I'm looking at at least one baddie in the Nerwen / Nog / Shasta triumvirate.

Post-game hilarity ensues when the baddies turn out to be Lhuna, Wilwa and Fea.:rolleyes:

EDIT:X'd with Nog.

[satansaloser2005]

Fifteen(ish) minutes.


Post-game hilarity ensues when the baddies turn out to be Lhuna, Wilwa and Fea.:rolleyes:

Shut up. I told you not to tell. :eek:


:Merisu:

[Inziladun]

Post-game hilarity ensues when the baddies turn out to be Lhuna, Wilwa and Fea.:rolleyes:

That would be something, wouldn't it? But no, I'm sticking with one of the other three. Hmm. Reason might tell me to vote for Shasta, but my gut might tend toward Nog.....

[Inziladun]

Wilwa said she would bear the blame if we lynched Nog and he turned out innocent. Would that help us though, if Wilwa turned out bad? Could we still root out Shelob before the numbers were on the baddies' side?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Awfully waffly, aren't we, Inzil? I'm leaning towards that Nog and I are both innocent now... which means if one of Inzil and Nerwen is innocent, we really can't afford to mess this up.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wilwa said she would bear the blame if we lynched Nog and he turned out innocent. Would that help us though, if Wilwa turned out bad? Could we still root out Shelob before the numbers were on the baddies' side?

And besides, we never hold people accountable for things like that anyway. Remember Morsul?

[Inziladun]

Awfully waffly, aren't we, Inzil? I'm leaning towards that Nog and I are both innocent now... which means if one of Inzil and Nerwen is innocent, we really can't afford to mess this up.

"Waffly" because I want to get this right. If I was evil, I could just vote and justify it later.

x/d with Shasta

[Nerwen]

No, I'm not in anyway confident that Shasta is innocent, but I do suspect Lhuna more at this time (especially the "who would sting tp" thing + that Sam said he hadn't saved/healed her etc...).
Ah, well, I think this puts paid to my Lhuna + Nog theory. I was kind of wondering why, after claiming to suspect you for so long , she went for Shasta on a rather crucial Day, when there was still just as much reason to vote you... but whatever.

Anyway, I've tended to trust Lhuna most of the game, if only because phantom's theory about her was such clear nonsense. (Yes, I know he's now a departed innocent. All the same.)

EDIT:X"d with a host.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ah, well, I think this puts paid to my Lhuna + Nog theory. I was kind of wondering why, after claiming to suspect you for so long , she went for Shasta on a rather crucial Day, when there was still just as much reason to vote you... but whatever.

Anyway, I've tended to trust Lhuna most of the game, if only because phantom's theory about her was such clear nonsense. (Yes, I know he's now a departed innocent. All the same.)

Really? I think you raise a good point here, actually, sun in my sky.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa said she would bear the blame if we lynched Nog and he turned out innocent. Would that help us though, if Wilwa turned out bad? Could we still root out Shelob before the numbers were on the baddies' side?

I'm almost willing to try it... I mean, I just don't know what to do, really. :(

EDIT:X'd with Shasta.

[Inziladun]

*sigh*

++Nog

I'm truly sorry if I'm wrong.

[Nogrod]

So. Shasta or Lhuna?

I'd say Lhuna, if we could trust people going that way, but could settle for Shasta as well.

So why aren't you baddies voting?


Finland won Russia 3-0 and went to the finals!!!

[satansaloser2005]

Lhuna-->Shasta
Wilwa-->Nog
Dun-->Nog (2)


Left to vote:
Shasta
Nog
Nerwen
Fea

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm willing to vote Lhuna if you are, Nog. Fact is, I don't know if I can trust you.

[Nerwen]

Arrgh...

++Wilwa

EDIT:X'd with a whole lot of people.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Wilwa

[Nogrod]

Oh Zil... :(

Well, it looks I have no choice

[Nogrod]

Let's not rush it...

++ wilwa

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Let's not rush it...

++ wilwa

I have a fast clock! :(

[Nerwen]

That was probably really stupid of me...:(

[Nogrod]

I have a fast clock! :(Excused... :D

[Nogrod]

Yay... :cool:

[satansaloser2005]

Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.

What is this I don't even.


I need a second to recover.

[satansaloser2005]

So....Wilwa's at work, and she wanted me to text her and tell her what happened.


She'd like to tell you all something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EROTbDCr5ag).



I'm going to go die in the corner now.

[satansaloser2005]

Here
Fea
Nog
Lhuna
Shasta
Dun
Nerwen

Gone
Glirdan (ordo)
Nienna (ordo)
Bom (ordo)
Boro (the Doctor)
Lottie (ordo)
Phantom (Frodo)
Wilwa (Sam)




It is now Night. Baddies, harsh your squee and discuss how to spend your evening. Everyone else, tremble.

[satansaloser2005]

The Day starts now. Remember, the game is still on, and there are no reveals.

Have fun, kids. ;)





(I'll end the Day as soon as all votes are cast, or at deadline toMorrow, whichever comes first.)



ETA: my inbox is about full, so if you need to PM me, I'd appreciate it if you could wait a couple of hours until I can get full-sized webs to clean it out.

[Lhunardawen]

You all know this game is over, right? :(

[Inziladun]

Oh, well. Did what I could. It gets rather difficult when the baddies outnumber one near DL.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, well. Did what I could. It gets rather difficult when the baddies outnumber one near DL.
True that.

For me now it's just a question of Nog or Shasta being Shelob. Nog or Shasta. Nog or Shasta.
Yay... :cool:
I'm starting to think it may be Nogrod after all, with this post. It's one thing to be happy you were saved from a lynch, but to use a :cool: ?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you guys could all see my really concerned and dubious expression... Sigh.

I literally have no idea. Normally when I say something like, "I have no idea," I'm lying through my teeth, or I have a gut instinct that's fairly accurate. This game? This time? Today? I have no idea what I or anybody else is doing.

Any one of you could be bone munchingly evil and it would come as no surprise to me.

[Inziladun]

I'm starting to think it may be Nogrod after all, with this post. It's one thing to be happy you were saved from a lynch, but to use a :cool: ?

Since WilwaSam voted for Nog, he's my pick (for all the good it'll do).

[Lhunardawen]

So this is how things stand at this point, as my limited understanding allows.

We have Shelob, 2 spiderlings, and 1 been-stung with 6 living players. So we're tied at 3.

Scenario 1: We lynch Shelob.
Yay.
Odds: 1/6

Scenario 2: We lynch a spiderling.
Day ends with Shelob and 2 spiderlings against 2 innocents. Bad.
Odds: 1/3

Scenario 3: We lynch the been-stung.
See scenario 2.
Odds: 1/6

Scenario 4: We lynch an innocent.
Duh.
Odds: 1/3

So our ONLY choice of winning is by lynching Shelob toDay. Wow. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Since WilwaSam voted for Nog, he's my pick (for all the good it'll do).

Yeah basically...

[Inziladun]

Aren't there two spiderlings?

[Lhunardawen]

Aren't there two spiderlings?
Yes, there are. By the end of toDay, there will be three.

[Inziladun]

Yes, there are. By the end of toDay, there will be three.

Well, I see no reason to go for anyone else over Nog. Based on Wilwa's vote, he's got to be the best bet.

[Lhunardawen]

Here's the deal. Chances are the three baddies will vote for the same person to force a tie (if not get an innocent lynched). If a tie occurs, there will be no death, by which time the third spiderling will appear. 4 baddies, 2 innocents. Game over.

So - not jumping to assumptions here - but say the three of us all vote against Nogrod. If he's bad, and the three of us are all innocent, the other 3 will all vote against one of us. Of course there's no chance we could convince one of them to vote against Nog. :rolleyes: But if he's innocent, then they'll most likely vote for him, too.

Gah. What should we do?

[Inziladun]

If Nog is Shelob, the spiderlings naturally would have tried to save him, and that's exactly what happened. So...

Nog= Shelob

Nerwen= Spiderling

Shasta= Spiderling

That's how it looks, anyway.

x/d with Lhuna

[Lhunardawen]

Oh. NO. Wait.

Bad news:
2. Its vote has a 50% chance of not being counted (because Shelob will have weakened it the previous Night) the Day following its stinging. I say 50% because I want to inform a person that they have been attacked, but do not want them to feel they have a throwaway vote. Thus, I will roll a die at the end of the Day to determine whether or not the victim’s vote has any merit. Which means it may not even be a tie at all. But we've never seen a been-stung's vote not being counted so far in this game, right?

Good news:
The game ends with a village victory when Shelob is slain. Upon that time, the effect on the children will wear off and they will revert to their current form (though possibly with some extra limbs or teeth). So, spiderlings, if you help us lynch Shelob, you will revert to your good old selves. We will all win - except Shelob. (Do I have this right, Moddess?)

Come on. Wouldn't you want to give the good guys another point in the official Werewolf tally? (The last time I checked - 2 years ago - the villains are still in the lead. They always have been).

Besides, you can consider this as payback to Shelob for stinging you in the first place. ;)


(I had already taken my glasses off and started counting sheep when this came to my mind. I swear this game has seriously messed up my already-messed up sleep cycle. :rolleyes: )

[Lhunardawen]

But the problem with my good news is that we're not 100% certain Nogrod IS Shelob, and obviously the spiderlings can't reveal him OR themselves.

Sigh.

I'm going to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

So, spiderlings, if you help us lynch Shelob, you will revert to your good old selves. We will all win - except Shelob. (Do I have this right, Moddess?)


Except for, you know, the part where the spiderlings are evil. Other than that though....

[Nogrod]

Hey Fea! Love you truly. *bows* :)

++ Fea

:p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Now, now, Lhuna dear, you can hardly expect us to go against our allegiance. That would hardly be sporting.

++Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well for that, Shasta, you don't get story time from the other night. :p

Hm. I shall have to ponder this.

[Nogrod]

Hm. I shall have to ponder this.You are the MVP for us in this game... :cool:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You are the MVP for us in this game... :cool:

And I daresay you'll take full credit for my complete inability to properly participate? It's such a tactical advantage, you see. Such a glorious victory. All the best competitions are won against crippled adversaries. Do you gloat when you joust against the turbine of a windmill and it retreats, its back to the wind and to your sword? :p

[Nogrod]

And I daresay you'll take full credit for my complete inability to properly participate? Nope. Not at all. But I do take some credit from realising we could win if you didn't appear in the end of yesterDay... and being able to execute it. :rolleyes:

I mean, about one hour before the DL yesterDay I was more or less sure that we had lost. And it looked totally grim, anyway I counted the numbers.

Until I realised that you hadn't posted the whole Day and started keeping my thumbs up you wouldn't... as without you it was actually possible to lynch Wilwa which I had thought impossible from the get go (well from after I had myself started to hint about her being Sam). So suddenly there was light in the end of a tunnel that had just been turning darker and darker however well we played...

It's such a tactical advantage, you see. Such a glorious victory.Had I known that you were not participating I would agree with you. But without that knowledge we were actually just laying all our eggs to one basket and hoping for the best on the last minutes.

The gloriousness of our victory doesn't come so much from that though, but from the game mechanics which were really against us; the slowness of spiderlings turning, Sam having a capability to both ranger and heal, the loose rule of "you should not reveal" (which meant practically every goodie-role revealed) etc. And really: we had to outnumber you, the normal coming to the level in numbers was not enough...

All the best competitions are won against crippled adversaries.All best competitions are won against overpowering adversaries - and you get to feel really happy when you find the weakness from there when things look desperate at the last hour... So yes, I feel like we deserve some gloating rights. :cool: :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Had I known that you were not participating I would agree with you.

I'm quite sure I mentioned it in passing...

I only get a free pass on not voting once (toMorrow, when I'll be traveling due to some of that Nasssssty real life imperfection that keeps mucking up the game)

Most assuredly you have won, and well. I shan't deny you that. But I shall point out that I did say I wouldn't be around to vote, so you could have saved yourself needless concern about me showing up to ruin your mischief. :cool:

[Lhunardawen]

I take comfort in knowing that I pegged the two of you before it's too late.

On second thought, it is too late.

[Lhunardawen]

And I have to add: this has to be the most awkward end game situation I've ever been in. Not to mention the most hilarious.

[Lhunardawen]

And I daresay you'll take full credit for my complete inability to properly participate? It's such a tactical advantage, you see. Such a glorious victory. All the best competitions are won against crippled adversaries. Do you gloat when you joust against the turbine of a windmill and it retreats, its back to the wind and to your sword? :p
Lhunardawen likes this.

Also Nog, you might want to credit the unexpected drop-outs for helping you win the game. :p

[Nerwen]

Sorry to keep you all waiting–

++Fea.

There.:smokin:

[Lhunardawen]

This is painful.

O Moddess, do you still really want to wait for all our votes? Can't we just get this over with?

[satansaloser2005]

This is painful.

O Moddess, do you still really want to wait for all our votes? Can't we just get this over with?


Now, now, patience. I need to do the narration and stuff, but it'll most likely be in the morning, as I've been bizarrely tired all day. I'll get it done as soon as I can.

[Nerwen]

I'm quite sure I mentioned it in passing...
Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil
I only get a free pass on not voting once (toMorrow, when I'll be traveling due to some of that Nasssssty real life imperfection that keeps mucking up the game)

Most assuredly you have won, and well. I shan't deny you that. But I shall point out that I did say I wouldn't be around to vote, so you could have saved yourself needless concern about me showing up to ruin your mischief. :cool:
We couldn't count on that, Fea. We were hoping you wouldn't show up, but what if you had?

[Lhunardawen]

Now, now, patience. I need to do the narration and stuff, but it'll most likely be in the morning, as I've been bizarrely tired all day. I'll get it done as soon as I can.
All right...

Meanwhile, we can turn this into a full-fledged chat thread. :D :p

[satansaloser2005]

When next they dared to speak, Fea, Lhuna, and Dun already knew their death was near. At last they decided to face it bravely, and agreed to go out and at least make one last stand against the beast.

“Who do you think it is?” Dun asked as they trudged through the small hole to Shelob’s lair.

Lhuna stammered out an answer, but her words were unclear, her speech strangely slurred.

“If I had been able to speak yesterday,” Fea said solemnly, “this wouldn’t have happened.” They reached the entrance to the bigger cave and she sighed. “This is all my fault. I let you all down.”

“Not us,” Nog assured her. His body was suspended from the ceiling, his legs wiggling in some sort of dance as he watched the group approach, their path lit once again by his abdominal lights.

“Whatever you do, don’t look at them,” Lhuna hissed. “They’ll draw you in.” Suddenly she had an idea, tugging on Shasta’s arm to get his attention without drawing too much of Nog’s. “Maybe we could make a deal with his minions. Perhaps they would turn on him. After all, they could be healed, rid themselves of their....condition, and we could all escape.”

“I wouldn’t be on it,” Shasta chuckled. “I actually like being this way.”

Lhuna dropped his arm, her eyes wide with fear. “You mean you....?”

“It doesn’t pay well,” he admitted with a shrug, “but the food’s good.”

Without further discussion he plunged a knife into Fea’s side, blood pouring from the wound as he removed his weapon and let it clatter to the floor.

“NO!” the three innocents cried together, but it was too late. Nog dropped down from the ceiling and, before Fea could even try to escape, he had sunk his teeth deep into her neck. Fea swayed a few times, then fainted, and Nerwen caught her body as it fell, swiftly breaking her neck just in case.

Dun and Lhuna tried to run, but as Dun neared their tunnel he was impaled by a giant leg, Nog’s appendage dragging him back toward the carnage. He couldn’t see Lhuna, but he knew there was no way she had escaped with her life. At last he welcomed death, and everything went dark.

Nog and Shasta’s laughter rang through the cavern, Noglob’s hissing casting an eerie echo over the bodies of the slain Dun and Fea.

Shasta’s laughter was cut short as, mid-cackle, a sword pierced his stomach. He turned to see Nerwen, her newly-formed pincers clacking maliciously as she twisted the blade inside him.

“My shining star!” he cried, but then he spoke no more, slumping to the ground, a final hiss his last words to his precious sister.

Nerwen swallowed a lump in her throat, easing her sword from her brother’s prone body. “I didn’t want to,” she assured him, a choke in her voice. “I’m sorry, he for whom my pincers do grow, but I have to make it right. Please understand.”

She next approached Nog, who had mistaken Shasta’s scream of despair for one of elation. “My child!” he shouted as Nerwen approached, throwing two of his arms around her. “You were-”

Nog’s eyes widened, slowly travelling down to look at the sword Nerwen had shoved into his furry body. “Why?” he demanded. “I gave you everything! We have everything, all of them! Why?!”

Nerwen shrugged off his embrace and stepped back, leaving her sword protruding from Nog’s chest. “A spider’s life should be quiet,” she said slowly. “We are meant to dwell in shadows, in darkness and silence, not stand before men and mock their shortcomings. It is not our place to be in the light, nor to show lowlier beings, even former friends, our true faces. You taught me this, mother....I mean, father. Yet you and my brother were unable to control your impulses, to remain true to your nature. You sully our good name with your ridicule and your ridiculous dancing in the light of victory. I cannot be a part of something so contrary to the very nature you taught me all those days ago. If I am to be like this forever, I must remain true to my new self.”

“But you....” Nog winced as he slid the blade from his chest. “You made yourself known.”

“Before a kill, an enemy sees your true face. That is what I showed them, and nothing more.”

“You were my child....”

“And now I shall take your place. Rest now, father. It is no longer your concern.”

Nog tried to argue but the blood that had been oozing from him covered the floor and he slipped in it, skittering against the ground before finally collapsing in his own blood, no longer moving.

“I’m sorry,” Nerwen repeated quietly, then she turned away. “Ah, yes. Hello, dear.”

Lhuna’s head craned toward what little light Noglob’s body was still casting, tears glistening on her cheeks. “Please don’t make me,” she begged. “I’d rather be dead, like the others, than turn into one of you. Please....”

“I’m afraid it’s no longer your decision.”

“Please,” Lhuna begged. “You don’t have to keep me just because he wished it. Let me go.”

Nerwen knelt beside her, stroking Lhuna’s cheek with her bristly hand. “Don’t be frightened, my dear,” she said softly. “This is a good place. A happy place. A dark place. You’ll like it here, I promise.”

“But what will we do? They’re all dead, even the other spiders.”

Nerwen just smiled. “We shall live here, and thrive, and lie in the dark....and wait.”




Alive
Nerwen (the new spider mistress)
Lhuna (the reluctant child)

Dead
Glirdan (ordo, lynched Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrew Day 2)
Bom (ordo, lynched Day 2)
Boro (the Doctor, withdrew Day 3)
Lottie (ordo, lynched Day 4)
Phantom (Frodo, died Night 5)
Wilwa (Sam, lynched Day 5)
Fea (ordo, lynched Day 6)
Dun (ordo, killed in end game)
Nog (Shelob, patricided/modfired in end game)
Shasta (spiderling, kinslain/modfired in end game)




Baddies win, goodies lose. Long live the new, more discreet, empire of spiders.


GAME OVER.




I'll go through and bold the narration/fill in for the others in the next couple days. Wilwa's should be especially interesting. ;)

[Nerwen]

Okay, let's chat then.

Talking of being "full-fledged", I should like to point out that I did give Sam a hint on Day One. Only a very subtle one, mind, as my interpretation of the no-reveal rule meant that one, um, couldn't bloody well reveal. :rolleyes:

I do think our gifteds really pushed the boundaries of that one. However, I don't know that we in the spider colony can complain, as in some ways it worked in our favour. I wonder how we'd have fared, for example, if the first part of the game hadn't been spent pursuing various innocents for their opening IC posts?

Anyway, this was my hint:

Now onto logistics...if I'm right (which I may well not be), there's only Shelob right now, and someone who will turn into a spider come Nightfall. (Unless she started out with a fully-fledged spider, and I think that was dependant on how many people. I'm guessing based on the numbers that it's a Bitten, not a Fledged - this may be wildly inaccurate.) If we kill the Bitten, would it show up as a spider, or as an innocent?
I can't find the answer to either of those in the Admin thread. Perhaps our Moddess would be so good as to clarify?

Btw– fledged? You mean like this? (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Eednieuw/australian/salticidae/Peacock_spider_Maratus_volans.htm)

EDIT:X'd with narration.

[satansaloser2005]

You can all chat freely now, corpses as well.

[Lhunardawen]

Uh. Nogrod? Why me?

[Bom Tombadillo]

Hmm. So my secondary suspicion was correct (that Nog was Shelob), as was my first thought after death (that phanty was a gifted). I never even suspected Shasta or Nerwen, though . . .

Anyway, good game, and may you ever haunt the shadows, Nerlob and Lhunaling.

[Nerwen]

Uh. Nogrod? Why me?
Why not you?

[Nerwen]

Anyway, good game, and may you ever haunt the shadows, Nerlob and Lhunaling.
Thanks!;)

Btw, Sally, you're not serious about modfiring Nog and Shasta? That is only for naration purposes, right?

[Lhunardawen]

Btw, Sally, you're not serious about modfiring Nog and Shasta? That is only for naration purposes, right?Of course she's serious. We'll make a new start, Mother. ;)

Also, not me because I'm a reluctant baddie. Which is probably why it appealed to Noggie even more. :rolleyes: :p

[satansaloser2005]

Btw, Sally, you're not serious about modfiring Nog and Shasta? That is only for narration purposes, right?

Pretty much, yeah. With you winning my last game and them (and others!) being a bit naughty, I thought it was a fitting finale. You three still won though. :D

[Inziladun]

Bloody spiders. If only we'd brought one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilisk) and a few of these (http://www.amazon.com/Terro-2300-16-Ounce-Spider-Aerosol/dp/B000GXUKAQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1305437837&sr=1-3) we'd have had no trouble.

Anyway, congrats to the baddies. I had you all pegged eventually, but too little, too late. It probably didn't help that I participated in lynching two innocents. :rolleyes:

And Lottie? :p :D

[Loslote]

So I never saw Nerwen or Shasta coming. Okay, I put down Shasta once as a possible Spiderling, but I didn't really believe it. Even Nog I only started suspecting towards the end of the Day I died. Well done, evil people. *grumps* :p

And Zil? :o :(

[Inziladun]

And Zil? :o :(

Yeah, I know. We need to stop doing that. Maybe next time we're both on the good side we can actually team up on getting the bad ones. :rolleyes:

[Lhunardawen]

Well, Zil, good thing I never got to the point when I'd have to deceive you. ;)

[Loslote]

Yeah, I know. We need to stop doing that. Maybe next time we're both on the good side we can actually team up on getting the bad ones. :rolleyes:

That did work better, didn't it? New plan for next game! ;)

[Nogrod]

Nice little twist there in the end... :)

It was good fun once again - and for a long time - although I PM'd Sally the first thing I learned I was Shelob that I wasn't too happy about that as I love playing an ordo. Heh, I had never noticed the last line on the rules where everyone who didn't wish to be Shelob could have just PM'd her about it... :o

It was an interesting concept and we could toy with it again one day, but the way the stinging / rangering / incubating / healing / turning -sequence goes should be re-eavaluated a bit. One solution could be that the one stinged would turn her/his allegiances immediately to the dark side as it would solve the "hinting issue" (and that way also the 50% possibility of not being able to vote would make more sense).


Anyway, great modding Sally! Well executed!

And kudos to my spiderlings Nerwen and Shasta!

Also my deep bow to wilwa who really kept us on our toes the last Days, and to tp who undoubtedly was there during the last Day in what wilwa was doing. ;)

Congrats to Lhuna as well for being quite right for a long time.

And thanks to everyone for a good, even if a bit silent game.

[Lhunardawen]

And thanks to everyone for a good, even if a bit silent game.
Tell me about it. The low post count made reading through the game MUCH easier, but it was mostly unnerving.

I'm sorry, Noggie, I don't think I can stop asking this. :D Why not Zil or Fea?

[wilwarin538]

*glares at Nog*

That was so frustrating! Still totally fun, but totally frustrating. Especially that last Day, because it started with me not being really too sure of who Shelob was, Phantom and I had chatted and we both sorta suspected Nog, but we also sorta suspected some other people. But then by the time I had to leave I was so positive it was him. And then I voted for him, and only later noticed that Lhuna had already voted for Shasta. I had somehow totally missed that post, I don't know how, I thought I was the first vote, though if I had seen it I don't know if I would have voted any differently, because I didn't actually really suspect Shasta at all and really really wanted to get Nog (I also didn't realise that Fea wouldn't be around to vote)

Probably the hardest thing about this was me not being able to say who I was, because my role did provide me with some extra information. I knew Fea wasn't a spiderling, since she couldn't have been stung from the beginning (she wasn't playing yet), and so it would have had to have been Night 3 (except I chose her Day 4 to 'cure'). On Day 1 I had to leave early so I sent Boro in as my pick, but when I got home and read over the Day everyone was saying Lhuna would have been a good choice. I decided to protect her Night 2 since I figured if Shelob thought Sam had already chosen her during the Day, then she would be a safe choice for the Night. But Nog went for me instead (did you know who I was when you did that?). So the next Day with everyone saying "Oh, Lhuna looks more innocent since Sam probably chose her", I couldn't really explain the whole situation, so I tried to make it sound like I didn't protect her at all, and hint that Sam was the one attacked. It was frustrating, haha.

Anyway, it was a pretty awesome game. I wish I could have been around more (especially on that last Day, my participation should have been way better). And Noggins, I still love you, you rock. When we're on different teams this seems to always be the way it goes, we totally clash and both get super frustrated, we should just always be on the same team from now on ;).

*snuggles Sallycakes for an awesome game* Are you going to spill the beans now about Nog's little wishlist???

Oh, and snuggles to Pie, I feel bad for my random Day 1 vote getting him killed. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Well well, my sneak attack didn't go off as planned due to participation, but ah well... that's what happens. Not many people feel as duty-bound obligated to post as I do (I will literally call in sick to work if I think it's the difference between winning and losing a game).

The plan was not to show much in the way of hard and just suspicion but rather load Sam up with ammo and have Shelob + Spiderlings think "Where the heck did this come from? I didn't imagine this!" when suddenly the innocent were coming after them on the final day.

I saw the whole Lottie thing as being extremely telling. From my PM to Wilwa-Sam during my final night alive-
I'm so ticked that they lynched Lottie!! She was SO unlikely, for a host of reasons!! Seems like an unlikely Shelob, definitely wasn't the first spider bite (she would've acted different), and she couldn't have been stung Night 2 (that was Sam), could not have been stung Night 4 (that was Frodo), so that only leaves Night 3, in which case she would've acted different to tip us off, not to mention everyone seemed pretty aware that my declaring the two of you innocent was baiting a Shelob failed attack on the assumption that she might be protected.

I mean really- she was as bad a lynch choice as anyone in the game, so merely on those grounds I'm suspicious of anyone involved. And especially I'm suspicious of people like Nog who voted for her on the grounds that he was checking my trustworthiness (her badness would make me look bad or whatever). That's such a ridiculous premise, because-
1) Why not just lynch ME if you are suspecting me? (answer: Because Shelob already knows I'm going to die so might as well kill Lottie too.)
2) So what if she was evil? Would I have picked her? Would I have treated her like that as my minion? Who flippin knows?! In other words, there was no information that could've been gained! NO ONE can predict with any success how I'd act in a given situation, so why pretend that there is some believable test you can do to determine my guilt?!

Anyone who even attempts such a thing is scheming, because in and of itself it's pointless to approach me in such a fashion, and anyone who's played with me ought to know better.
......
The Lottie lynch was poorly conceived, and if it was innocents doing it they ought to be ashamed of themselves. If I was still alive I'd harp on that all day and lynch those people.

As far as my thoughts on individuals, here's my Shasta take from my PM-
Shasta- he's got very little in the way of voting record and such, so really who's to say. I'm the sort that would declare him a non-target on account of him being such a submarine the first few days, and declare that if he's Shelob then screw him, he didn't legitimately fool me, he just skated past due to inactivity.
.......
Also, encourage everyone to reread Day 3 and see if anyone is hinting that they have been stung. Tell them that if no one did anything to hint that they were stung, then the sting victim MUST have been someone that was pretty much absent most of the time.
I did not want to go so far as to outright say that Shasta was the Night 3 sting, but given what I could remember for the day and the people that I actually read for sting-clues, Shasta seemed a good choice, and I wondered if a thorough read-through by the innocents in mass would indeed place him as a likely Spidlering not to be trusted.
The bit pertaining to Nerwen-
Nerwen- She's also been as wrong as anyone in the game, and she misses obvious things that I would think she'd catch (like her comments about me, trying to make my posts sound suspicious when they're instead giving out the Frodo-vibes).
The bit pertaining to Nog-
I mean really- she was as bad a lynch choice as anyone in the game, so merely on those grounds I'm suspicious of anyone involved. And especially I'm suspicious of people like Nog who voted for her on the grounds that he was checking my trustworthiness
........
I'm not certain Shelob would openly try and kill you, as that could be incriminating. Why not give the attack orders to a Spiderling? Or why not be on your side the entire game? As a Baddie I have on multiple occasions won the game with multiple gifteds still alive on the final day, because I got them on my side. Killing isn't always necessary.

And if you'll remember back on Day 2, I said that a strategy that was just as likely was that Shelob and minions would first wish to rid themselves of Sam's supporters giving them an easier shot should they wish to take out Sam. And notice they did bust up the Phantom-Wilwa-Lottie block that I had going. If they hadn't done that I think they would've found themselves in trouble, but instead you're the only one left.
........
Nog- Same thing, only more so (in reference to Nerwen looking guilty). Personally it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he didn't, based upon your identity, take a look at me and figure I was Frodo and then select me for tactical reasons (the Night-death is useful). And then of course kill the other very innocent person I'd been supporting (Lottie) and come away from the ordeal with an avenue to attack you.
.....
The way in which he's wrong and the perfect timing of his wrongness... If he's not evil then he's playing very very off his game and deserves death anyway.


Anyway, after our night talks I figured Wilwa would enter the arena guns blasting and get all the innocents to gang up on a baddie, most likely Nog. She did in fact get Inzil to go with her, and Lhuna went for a baddie independently (thus I imagine Wilwa could've gained Lhuna's help had she began her posting before the final 5 hours or if Lhuna had held her vote until closer to the deadline), and Fea I was confident would help, and well- that would've been the game.

But as the hours ticked by on that day and nothing was in the works, I knew the game was lost. Ugh. Completely my fault. Instead of trying to be surprising just for the sake of drama and making a good story, I should've stuck around until the deadline on that final day I was alive and let loose with everything I had rather than dump the workload in the lap of a busy person.

Heh heh... just goes to show what I've said before- it's a fine line between a slaughter either direction. Something as small as an appointment can swing a game. What's embarrassing this time is given the set up I can't believe the goodies didn't win. If I had been Nog I would have cried upon receiving the Shelob role. "Um, moddess, how exactly am I supposed to win with no team?"

Under those circumstances I would've been tempted to do something extremely high-risk for the low chance of payoff, but Nog's more calculated risks ended up being suited for the flow of this particular game.

[Galadriel55]

Yes, I've been keeping track. For the most part.

Bon apetit, Nerwen and Lhuna! :)

And Noglob, and Shasta, but you guys are dead. :p

I had some speculations of my own, the only one being correct is that Wilwa was a goodie. :rolleyes: :d

Well, it was an interesting game - thanks Sallymodess! - and it kept me from doing my homework all right. :P

[Nogrod]

What's embarrassing this time is given the set up I can't believe the goodies didn't win. If I had been Nog I would have cried upon receiving the Shelob role. "Um, moddess, how exactly am I supposed to win with no team?"Heh... Sally should know I whined about it a few times, but well, once in a game you have to accept the rules and just fight as hard as you can. But the slowness of the incubation period & the multiple chances of goodies to interfere and postpone it were just a nightmare...

Stinging Sam was pure chance (the reason to pick wilwa was to get a stern spiderling who would not be an easy lynch), but with phantom I had some quite open hunches he was Frodo indeed - and well at that point a risk worth taking.

Having Nerwen on my side it was quite clear that after the Sam-sting I needed a spiderling who would be trustworthy but also one who would team up well with Nerwen... so Shasta was the obvious choice as it minimized the possibility of my two spiderlings going after one another in the thread.

On Day 1 I had to leave early so I sent Boro in as my pick, but when I got home and read over the Day everyone was saying Lhuna would have been a good choice. I decided to protect her Night 2 since I figured if Shelob thought Sam had already chosen her during the Day, then she would be a safe choice for the Night. But Nog went for me instead (did you know who I was when you did that?). So the next Day with everyone saying "Oh, Lhuna looks more innocent since Sam probably chose her", I couldn't really explain the whole situation, so I tried to make it sound like I didn't protect her at all, and hint that Sam was the one attacked. It was frustrating, haha. That is such fun to hear. As I knew you were Sam I was able to pick your opposition to the general mood of Lhuna being rangered / healed as the reason I believed you to be Sam (and not the correct reason that I stinged you)... :D

And Noggins, I still love you, you rock. When we're on different teams this seems to always be the way it goes, we totally clash and both get super frustrated, we should just always be on the same team from now onLove you too, and you do rock as well. And you were our most frightening opponent anyway in this game. But I must say that my "super-frustration" was acted... (I was actually quite surprised Sally came in to call for peace as I thought it was just something our roles dictated us to act)

But I do agree, we should be on the same team. :)

I'm sorry, Noggie, I don't think I can stop asking this. Why not Zil or Fea?You could call it "poetic justice"... You were such strongly after me that it would be so fitting you'd join my side in the end. Also I was so very happy to see you once again in a game making a difference that I thought you'd deserve to end in the winning side... (Add to that, thatFea played so little it was kind of right she would be the one we lynched the next Day)

[wilwarin538]

Love you too, and you do rock as well. And you were our most frightening opponent anyway in this game. But I must say that my "super-frustration" was acted... (I was actually quite surprised Sally came in to call for peace as I thought it was just something our roles dictated us to act)

But I do agree, we should be on the same team.

I'm sort of disappointed I was Sam and couldn't get turned, just for the reason that this would have been an awesome evil team to be a part of (and winning would have been a bonus :p ). Though it was still an awesome role to have, I like being the first to try out a new role and in Cake's last game I got a shiny role that I never ended up getting to use, so this was pretty awesome (would have been more awesone if I could have revealed Day 1 and been invincible, but that would have been unfair for the baddies I think, haha).

I feel bad for Phantom, cause the Night we got to chat I was all like "ya, I'll go in full power and be super awesome and everyone will do what I say and we'll totally win", and then I ended up being busier than I thought and I couldn't get on as much or as soon as I had hoped, and lots of the things he had PMed me I had never had the chance to relay to everyone. I'm sure it was super frustrating for him to watch!

*snuggles Sally again for awesome game*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

(Add to that, thatFea played so little it was kind of right she would be the one we lynched the next Day)

Couldn't be helped. After the initial kurfuffle of me playing when I'd never intended to, and having to wrangle our way around some related issues, when Life intervened and I had to dash, I very nearly dropped out, but felt that after all of the withdrawals, it would be absolute death for the good guys if they lost yet another of their number. So even though I couldn't participate, I wanted to at least give them an extra body for the final count.

Still, I enjoyed watching you win against the odds. Congrats.

[Lhunardawen]

You could call it "poetic justice"... You were such strongly after me that it would be so fitting you'd join my side in the end. Also I was so very happy to see you once again in a game making a difference that I thought you'd deserve to end in the winning side...
Come to think of it, I think I've posted the most in this game than in any other game I've played before - and as an ordo at that! I guess I should thank you for turning me; I haven't won a game in the longest time. :D More importantly, I should thank you for turning me on the last Day, because you know how I feel about having to be evil. ;)

[Galadriel55]

I was just thinking, what game in a row is it that the baddies won? They won the previous two, but I don't remember before that...

:D

[Nerwen]

I was just thinking, what game in a row is it that the baddies won? They won the previous two, but I don't remember before that...

:D

Games since the start of 2010:
WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark. (Wolves won.)
WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos. (Wolves won.)
WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar. (Wolves won.)
WW: LXXXIV: Middle-earth in Fifteen Minutes. (Innocents won.)
WW LXXXIII: Nightmare on the East Road. (Wolves won).
WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth. (Wolves won.)
WW LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains. (Innocents won.)
WW LXXX: It's About Time! (Innocents won.)
WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus. (Innocents won.)
WW LLXVIII: Yar Har Har and a Bottle o' Rum. (game aborted.)
WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e. (Innocents won.)
WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition. (Innocents won.)
WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here. (Wolves won.)
WW LXXIV: War of the Wolves. (Wolves won.)
WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum. (Innocents won.)
WW LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Innocents won.)
WWLXXI: Something in the Night. (Wolves won.)