WW LXXXIX: The Terror of Tol Fuin

[Galadriel55]

How can the baddies hunt the ranger? Hint drops, this early? Cos I'm sure you can't catch them just by their normal posting. (Eru knows I've tried, even in my baddie times.)

Maybe someone will just up and say, 'I'm the Ranger'? Or use strange icons in their posts?

Agreed on your first paragraph. I don't really get your second. No sane Ranger will do that, as s/he is defenseless against the wolves. Will the Ranger hope that the wolves won't take xem seriously? Is it worth that risk?

You don't want the Ranger to do that, do you?... ;)

Oh my. This post of yours slipped past my brain just like the others without leaving anything behind. *rereads very thoroughly* Still no impression on Nilp. I'll have to reread all your posts carefully before I go for toDay.

[Nogrod]

A few notes from reading the thread.

It does look like Kit really was building mountains out of molehills with her cases against Sally and Bom. And later it seems she is actually saying that Bom is suspicious for real! That makes me suspect her a lot more.

On the other front, Lottie made both of her cases of not knowing Kit was playing before there were suspicions of the two being in cahoots (if there ever were ones), and basically before anyone had suspected herself the first time. Some had questioned Kit at that point though.

The way a known wolf Lottie tries to suspect G55 makes me think G55 more innocent than not.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Off to bed now so here are my thoughts for posterity.

G55 and Sally top two suspects. Both act suspiciously and defensively; G55 perhaps more so, independently, but Sally is incriminated by some of this behaviour. They are also the two top posters in the thread: it sometimes seems as though they're trying to drown out opposing voices by sheer volume of words.

Kitanna interests me but I lean toward giving her the benefit of the doubt. I certainly want to see the twain named above hanging from the gallows before Kit. :p

In the spirit of simplicity the Loslote voters are fine and probably innocent. Legate and Nogrod post well and sensibly. Lommy seems innocent to me, as does Greenie actually. Must be a family thing.

Everyone else worries me immensely - especially that tom-fool Nilpaurion. Trust him not, I say!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Agreed on your first paragraph. I don't really get your second. No sane Ranger will do that, as s/he is defenseless against the wolves. Will the Ranger hope that the wolves won't take xem seriously? Is it worth that risk?

You don't want the Ranger to do that, do you?... ;)

Oh my. This post of yours slipped past my brain just like the others without leaving anything behind. *rereads very thoroughly* Still no impression on Nilp. I'll have to reread all your posts carefully before I go for toDay.This being 89th of its name, this has happened many times before, I assure you.

I've never done it myself (having lasted only a DAY as a Ranger, and never as a Hunter), but some do it because . . . I dunno. Something to reinforce a reveal (and ward off counter-reveals)? Something for smart Ordos to consider? (A risky proposition since there have also been instances, wow, of smart baddies.) In any case it has been done.

[Nerwen]

Back and reading.

[Galadriel55]

G55 and Sally top two suspects. Both act suspiciously and defensively; G55 perhaps more so, independently, but Sally is incriminated by some of this behaviour. They are also the two top posters in the thread: it sometimes seems as though they're trying to drown out opposing voices by sheer volume of words.

I never knew that the post count could be used as an accusation! :p;)

Everyone else worries me immensely - especially that tom-fool Nilpaurion. Trust him not, I say!

Agreed. I still can't classify him on my suspocion list (slippery him!), but I don't trust him. Neither do I trust you. >.<

[Thinlómien]

So is she suspicious or isn't she? Despite that she's a "little suspicious", you try not to suspect her.Yes exactly - my intuitive reaction is suspecting her, but my reason is telling me not to suspect her for the reasons I listed. Simple as that.

I went back to read it. I saw the word innocence bolded above the post and that clicked in my mind as Nog and Lottie were innocent to her. No, she doesn't actually say she thinks Lottie is innocent, but she also doesn't really say she thinks she guilty either in that post.Remind me next time I won't try to phrase stuff creatively as it only creates chaos! The post was titled "innocence stock market" so it was about whose "share" = "innocence value" goes up (Nogrod's) or down (Lottie's). As in some finance stuff. Get it now?

EDIT: see - my post was an answer to Greenie's question, and it took me ten minutes to make this (PC jamming)- then I decided to make this edit amd in jammed again for the next ten minutes... I love this old PC!Why don't you use your laptop???

Greenie's vote came totally out of the green. (Bad pun I know. :D)


edit: xed with G55

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nice to see people have been busy with posting, even though it meant digging through several layers of posts for me to reach the present...

Generally, I am getting bad feeling about Eomer from his initial posts of this Day. He goes with this "merry-go-somethingsomething" attitude, sort of floating through the flow without raising too much controversy, notice, suspicion, or anything like that. A bit too careful for my taste and all that.

It is interesting that Kit decided to concentrate her effort toDay (well, thus far) into close-reading those who got LottieWolf lynched. Now wolf-on-wolf votes do happen every now and then and I'm not suggesting some people should be made immune or putting them beyond suspicion just because they voted / lynched a wolf. But Kit's priorities look interesting: like she wishes to turn the discussion away form somewhere else?
Nog makes some sense here, although I don't think the "I didn't know Kit was playing" thing would be a thing for a Wolf to do. That would be really stupid, I mean. But it still makes me think of other possible things behind Kit's behavior, like her constant attacks on certain people (the sort of "zeal") and all that. I think it would be nice to reread her posts, if I have time to do that.

Also, her analysis of Mith is somewhat strange. It feels odd, this listing half of "nothing to say" posts, then saying all this stuff about "there being something fiendish" (not really specifying what?). She also seems to be "spreading the nets", so to say - with her general approach: first continuing in questioning G55, then Mith, then in the very same post saying that at least one Wolf might be a submarine...

I think I really should reread her posts, if I can.

Because neither of us did it properly yesterDay. If all the Lottie-lynchers could just say "what Shasta said" and vote, my vote had to be explained, especially because I didn't comment too much on Lommy before.
"Neither of us" - speaking for both of ye, are you, G55? That smells fishy.

Well, he forgot about a RPG a long time ago... *glares at Bom*

Actually that line makes me think of him as more ordo than not. If he was a wolf or gifted, would he really forget his responsibilities?
Now somewhat thinking the same about Bom, although of course nothing can be ruled out (and most of all, I dislike meta-reasoning, and as some people know very well, it can backfire very nastily).

I like it that Gal has accepted my colour-scheme, by the way :)

EDIT: intentionally x-ed since Nog on this page, I am losing focus with too many thoughts to process - going to continue further on in a separate post...

[Nogrod]

After I asked Lottie about why she made the point of telling us she didn't know Kit was playing, she answered: Oh, that was about the first post I saw by her - I did a double-take when I realized she was playing. Thought I'd mention it in passing.And Lottiewolf had done it two times already!

Now if this is not something very stupid by a werewolf (I think I remember some werewolves doing some such things as aiding to catch of their mates a few times *CoughGlirdanCough* :)), then what a devillish plan is this? To cast Kit into a bad light - well why her? Because Sally is a wolf as well?

Okay, now my brain hurts as well.


Looking at the votes yesterDay it looks like all the votes made after Lottie came under some real scrutiny were given to her, except those of:
- Mith to Sally (put Sally in the lead with 2 votes)
- G55 to Lommy (a throw-out vote, when Lottie led 3-2 over Sally)
- Nilp to Nilp (a throw-out vote, when Lottie led 4-2 over Sally)

So? Blah...

[Mithalwen]

Why don't you use your laptop???



edit: xed with G55

see post 240

Do try to keep up :p

[Nogrod]

see post 240

Do try to keep up :pIf this was Facebook I would have pushed the "Like"-button... :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So I've decided to look at those I have no read on (Nerwen, G55, Sally, Bom) and started with the second-least poster of the quartet.

29 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657424&postcount=29): A Bom proby thing. It was the only in-game-like thing at that point.

190 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657688&postcount=190): Her explanation of 'why Shasta was killed'. Could be seen as a 'why we killed him' thing, but I suppose that were she evil could have gone with 'a good many players seemed ready to defend/suspect others at the drop of a hat.'

(Except that Shasta did that with Sally. Hmm.)

196 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196): Seems assured of G55's innocence (by way of logic--twice.) A sensible argument.

208 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657716&postcount=208): First part analyses cursorily the Lottie-Kit dynamic (or lack thereof). I think she seems to see that there is one. Second part:
It's just so hard not to think of getting the Seer as the lupine priority.I agree.

211 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657719&postcount=211): Not terribly fond of the "good-votes-are-bad-ones" idea. (I agree with that sentiment--I generally trust the good-vote-people unless the Seer gainsays me or they do something 'Eh?'-like.) Although she adds some doubt of Lommy-chan and Nog-kun in her second paragraph. (But then she ends with a 'Nah, unlikely.')

255 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657788&postcount=255)
Back and reading.


CONCLUSIONS:
No vote DAY 1--well, she suffers from timezonitis like I do. Sensible and logical, which could go either way. Has been helpful in some points, which points to good.

Only think I can say is I won't vote for her toDAY.

[Mithalwen]

Really if circumstances didn't make her look innocent, Lommie would look quite guilty! She has admitted her vote was lazy, she has done vague lists saying she can't get a handle on people and generally seems disconnected. Yet her vote pretty much clears her. Funny old game.

[Nerwen]

Umm. Anyone else think Lottie-Kit-Eomer is a possible combination?

I'm just thinking of Eomer's rather intense focus on Sally and G55 toDay; it looks sort of like he might be trying to steer the discussion away from Kit– and there's also the way he explains her "innocence" comment about Lommy at #218 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657728&postcount=218) and
#219. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657730&postcount=219) Now, I actually think, whatever Kit is, that the misinterpretation was quite genuine– but all the same this could be a wolf trying to help out a comrade.

Against this view is the fact that Eomer tends to be quite a single-minded sort of player anyway, and perhaps a bit of a "white knight".

Thoughts?

EDIT: X'd with a Nilp and a Mith.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, not that much to process from the last few posts, or at least not anything that I feel needs to be replied right now. So I have reread Kit's posts. I think now in retrospect, her initial reaction to Sally ("I have to die...") really looks odd - it looks like jumping on the first chance to accuse somebody (Sally and Bom, in this case). Then again, the rest of her posts relating to that do not seem as bad, and might as well reflect her genuine thoughts - as in:

Intentionally I was confused and suspicious that in her second post she said she'd have to withdraw on the 6th. It seemed too early and inappropriate for that. I outlined some of the ideas on had on the subject. I focused on Bom because he seemed eager to be rid of Sally, not because she was suspicious but because of what she had said.

I wonder what should be made of all this flip-flopping with "I suspect sally", next post: "maybe not", next post: "I vote her!" Anyway, since you said you suspected her still today, care to summarise once again what do you base your suspicion on, Kit?

However, in the end, Kit behaves quite systematically, I think - a lot like an ordo who had missed a big part of yesterDay and now is trying all possibilities to determine what to do. I would put her into my yellow zone or something, but she is not really that suspicious to go anywhere too deep.

[Nerwen]

Really if circumstances didn't make her look innocent, Lommie would look quite guilty! She has admitted her vote was lazy, she has done vague lists saying she can't get a handle on people and generally seems disconnected. Yet her vote pretty much clears her.
Not entirely. I've played in games where wolves quite accidentally Fenrissed a packmate (and then won as "known innocents"). Not that I'm getting any particular guilty vibes off Lommy right now– I'm just saying this as a caution.

EDIT:X'd with Legate.

[Nogrod]

I'm trying to get to sleep earlier than D1 as I need to wake up earlier.

So some exclusions to start with.

I'm very probably not going to vote (unless something major happens in the near future)

Lommy & Legate: they have been sensible, made good points and lynched Lottiewolf.
G55: Lottie's consistent suspicions on her on D1 would have been too daring to be a wolf-on-wolf.
Bom: His first post was a joke and I doubt a relatively-newbie wolf would be that uninterested...


Well, that's not much.

Probably not going to vote for Nerwen either. It makes me feel uneasy giving her this pass but I have no time to check her better - and she is a good one if a good one, if you know what I mean. So she's not one we should just try out having to just lynch a random person.

Also I'm not probably going to vote for Nilp as he's just too weird and thoughtful at the same time. It would require more to vote him.



I have some gut-based doubts about Greenie and Eomer.

I do think Sally or Kit could be a baddie, and there would be reasons to suspect both of them, but both of them are not wolves - or not probably.

Mith is the only one who could be said of trying to steer the vote in the direction of saving Lottie. Actually she made her vote a bit early - a relative concept - which could be seen as trying to steer the vote if she is a wolf as there were four people with one vote at that time and Lottie had just started to gather suspicion. Also she made the vote but still stayed around, like she thought the early timing was important? After all I can't recall (or imagine) her (or anyone) being so sure of the vote on D1 that it could be cast that way and then stay around looking at the outcome...

Hmmph.


EDIT: Whoops! X'd with a host of posts...

[Thinlómien]

see post 240

Do try to keep up Hehe :o

Umm. Anyone else think Lottie-Kit-Eomer is a possible combination?

I'm just thinking of Eomer's rather intense focus on Sally and G55 toDay; it looks sort of like he might be trying to steer the discussion away from Kit– and there's also the way he explains her "innocence" comment about Lommy at #218 and
#219. Now, I actually think, whatever Kit is, that the misinterpretation was quite genuine– but all the same this could be a wolf trying to help out a comrade.

Against this view is the fact that Eomer tends to be quite a single-minded sort of player anyway, and perhaps a bit of a "white knight".

Thoughts?I would say it's possible, but one thing makes me wonder: after Eomer defended Kitanna he clarified he's not defending her and I really started to wonder if a wolf would intentionally draw attention to his defense of a fellow by saying something like that...


edit: xed with Nerwie and Noggie

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting strange vibes from Nerwen. She seems to be playing very very carefully, avoiding too blunt statements one way or the other and sort of hovering around the edges of the village and voicing suspicion for different people and then always disappearing back to the shadows... or that's the mental image I get.

Currently contemplationg going to bed and thinking of voting Kit (like I said, the suspicious thing is that her mindset seems more wolvish than innocent if I try to read between the lines). My other options are Nerwen and Mith, but I have even less "evidence" against them than against Kit, plus somehow Mith started to look better and the only thing I really have against Nerwen is that she's too careful and a little creepy. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod, you of all people should know how I feel about last minute voting. I don't call half an hour before deadline early. Better to steer where you believe someone guilty than follow ....

Anyway the indisposition of last night means I am tired now ... same vote, same reasons - generally all over the place.

++Satansaloser

[Bom Tombadillo]

Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something :(. Anyway, throwaway vote:

++Kitanna

x'ed with Mithalwen.

[Nerwen]

I'm getting strange vibes from Nerwen. She seems to be playing very very carefully, avoiding too blunt statements one way or the other and sort of hovering around the edges of the village and voicing suspicion for different people and then always disappearing back to the shadows... or that's the mental image I get.

I like it!:D

Seriously... I've just got a bit too much on my plate IRL right now.

EDIT:X'd with Bom.

[Kitanna]

Anyway, since you said you suspected her still today, care to summarise once again what do you base your suspicion on, Kit?

Sally has provided a convenient "ordo reveal" on Day 1 with ten days until she actually would have to withdraw. She became terrified of Galadriel's defense of her, using the words "scarily supportive" and this stance has been kept up into the beginning of Day 2. She took more effort to try to push a seemingly harmless remark away than Galadriel did in making it. She has hidden behind jokes and ramblings while attacking mostly those who have questioned her or defended her. Since my second post I said I didn't trust her and I didn't flipflop about that. True, I found Bom more suspicious at first, but he completely stopped talking, Sally didn't. And with every post I doubted her more and more.

[Galadriel55]

"Neither of us" - speaking for both of ye, are you, G55? That smells fishy.

Sally already went ahead and explained hers before I did. She said herself that she wanted to clarify her vote toDay (in her first post toDay). If she thinks her vote should be explained - that's her choice.


Anyways, time to vote really soon for me. Bom still hasn't made his promised appearance.

I will probably be voting for Kit. She's the highest on my suspect list up to now.

Edit: xed since Lommy. You have come, Bom! :)

[Nerwen]

Welcome back, Mr Tombadillo!

For good or ill, I'd hardly call that a throwaway. You've surely noticed others are considering voting Kitanna?

EDIT:X'd with Kit and G55.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

GREEN ZONE
Nogrod - looks fine this far.
Lommy - not really any change from what I have said about her before. Looks fine to me, and the Lottie-lynch still clears her more or less, I'd say.
Nerwen - seems genuine with her posting (ai, ai. This does not look good.)

YELLOW ZONE
Kitanna - what I said above. Not too suspicious after all after reread.
Sally - not enough data right now, I'm afraid.
Nilp - looks more or less okay, the only thing that made me suspect him for a brief moment was the sort of "exchange" with Gal (but it was more like from Gal's part) with her merrily commenting on his posts and concluding that she cannot say anything about him (as in: "We've had a nice chat at Night, but should not continue in daylight."). Otherwise, no problem except for him calling Nogrod "kun" (reminds me of the old saying "If you call a whale 'little one', you probably have a 'big' problem." Or: dear students, please bear in mind that there's a difference between 'kun' and 'Exar Kun'.)
Greenie - there aren't too many of her posts, or not too much she has to say, but I don't see anything particularly eyebrow-rising nor anything particularly obviously-innocentish.
Mithalwen - is totally under the radar now. Like totally. Almost would make it back into the "reset" and grey zone. I should watch her from now on, but I think the problem is that there is veeery little to see even then, looking at her posts.

ORANGE ZONE
G55 - now with questionmarks hovering over her, moving her into the orange zone.
Eomer - actually now I am rather wary of him, like I said above. Is one of those I might vote for toDay.

RED ZONE
vacant right now, but waiting for some good candidates from the above

GREY ZONE
Bom - so, shall there be input?

EDIT: x-ed with a host of votes!!!

[Nogrod]

If Lottie's behaviour in certain respects had anything to do with Kit being her mate... like she said it twice and defended by saying she just thought to mention that in passing... An odd kind of random behaviour by Lottie (possible), a bad way of trying to disengage herself with Kit-mate (possible), a complex master-plan trying to make Kit suspicious in case at the later time Lottie would be lynched (very improbable)...

Kit has made some real effort, but some major parts of it look suspicious: like suspecting Sally & Bom for real on D1 because of those early posts (and insisting on them), or using most of her energies toDay in hunting the wolf-lynchers...

I mean Sally looks somewhat suspicious, but not on the basis of her early posts of D1.

Mith is the only person one could say might have tried to sway the voting away from Lottie yesterDay - and doing it in time as to not rouse too many suspicions.


That's where I think my vote would stem from. Soonish, as I really have to get to sleep (2AM and wake-up at 8AM).


EDIT: Blah, X'd with a host again...

[Kitanna]

Welcome back, Mr Tombadillo!

For good or ill, I'd hardly call that a throwaway. You've surely noticed others are considering voting Kitanna?

I was going to call him a liar...but ya know. Your way sounds better.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I like it!:D
Creepy, says I. (See above.)

Sally has provided a convenient "ordo reveal" on Day 1 with ten days until she actually would have to withdraw. She became terrified of Galadriel's defense of her, using the words "scarily supportive" and this stance has been kept up into the beginning of Day 2. She took more effort to try to push a seemingly harmless remark away than Galadriel did in making it. She has hidden behind jokes and ramblings while attacking mostly those who have questioned her or defended her. Since my second post I said I didn't trust her and I didn't flipflop about that. True, I found Bom more suspicious at first, but he completely stopped talking, Sally didn't. And with every post I doubted her more and more.

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for the summary.

Mith now starts to raise my attention, seriously, also with her vote. What is the tally now? I wonder if it's a throwaway or whatever...

[Bom Tombadillo]

Waiiiiit . . . 6:00 my time ISN'T the DL? Bugger. I honestly thought I had to vote by then . . . sorry, Kitanna.

[Nogrod]

Uhh.. I do share Nerwen's concern over Bom's vote.

And that does make me wonder. Oh my, this is once again getting complicated... :p

[Galadriel55]

Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something.

You might want to consider doing all that during the Night. Saves time.


Anyways, I think I've talked about Kit enough toDay to not have to repeat everything now. If you want clarification (*looks at Legate*) tell me so and I'll summarise my reasoning.

++Kitanna

Edit: xed with.... everything!

[Galadriel55]

G55 - now with questionmarks hovering over her, moving her into the orange zone.

So you're just going with the flow?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Votes this far, I hope, unless I am mistaken:

Eomer - Galadriel
LG - Eomer
Mith - Sally
Bom - Kitanna (throwaway, by Smaug's feathers! You can't be serious!)
Gal - Kitanna (2)

Personally, I think I might go to vote Eomer or maybe even our dear Ms. Underradar aka Mith - or more like threaten to do that, as it would still be better to get some more info about her...

EDIT: x-ed with a bunch, editing in Gal's vote. Ah! So I see now, if Tombadillo thought it was DL, maybe he thought it was throwaway. Still, it would be pretty weird to have DL with only three votes, wouldn't it?

[Galadriel55]

Ok, I really have to go now. I hope to have one more WW Day added to my credit. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So you're just going with the flow?

No, look at all I have been saying about you since... long time ago. You even noted that yourself.

[Nerwen]

I think we can pretty safely rule out Bom + Kitanna, at any rate.

EDIT:X'd with G55 and Legate.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm rushed and the screen is really little. Could I have a vote count please?

[Nogrod]

Okay, I just can't wait for the 45 minutes even if I wished to. Too early a call tomorrow.

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

++ Mith

[Nogrod]

Oh, good night and good luck!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm rushed and the screen is really little. Could I have a vote count please?
Eomer -> G55
LG -> Eomer
Mith -> Sally
Bom -> Kitanna
G55 -> Kitanna (2)
Nog -> Mith

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

Agreed.

[Nerwen]

EDIT: x-ed with a bunch, editing in Gal's vote. Ah! So I see now, if Tombadillo thought it was DL, maybe he thought it was throwaway. Still, it would be pretty weird to have DL with only three votes, wouldn't it?
He an almost-newbie. What I'm not liking is the fact that he votes for somebody who obviously stands a fair chance of getting lynched– while saying this: No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions.

Ugh. I was quite strongly consdering voting Kit just before he did that... Now what?

EDITP:X'd since Sally.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

By the way, it's funny now that all people are voting so early. That means either all the WWs are keeping their trumps for the end, or voting now with not really caring (or, of course, with the possibility of being forced to by RL circumstances, but I would think that is not a necessity). In any case, it means that they are either very certain or very uncertain. Nice situation in any case, probably, when it comes to later analysing.

[Kitanna]

Waiiiiit . . . 6:00 my time ISN'T the DL? Bugger. I honestly thought I had to vote by then . . . sorry, Kitanna.
I am actually stunned at you, dear Bom. I have tried to respond for ten minutes, but haven't been able to find something to say. This vote was not a throwaway vote, by any means. I fully expected votes today, possibly even my own lynching, but to see someone call their vote a throwaway is so sinister. My name has come up under most people's suspicions list today and unless you only read Zil's opening post and randomly picked a name would this be a throwaway. Who are you trying to protect?

[Thinlómien]

Ugh. I was quite strongly consdering voting Kit just before he did that... Now what?My feelings exactly...

As for the other ones that have been voted for already - Mith? Mmm maybe. Sally? Nopes. Eomer? Not really, not toDay at any rate. G55? The same as Eomer, basically.

Others? Not really...

So to join the crazy-seeming Kit-wagon or vote Mith without really much evidence? Not a very encouraging choice...


edit: xed with Leggins and Kitten

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Decisions, decisions, huh?

The thing about Bom is really weird, because it would have to be a rather rare set of coincidences to not read toDay and cast a random vote and manage to hit one who had gathered quite some attention toDay. Bom? What have you been doing? Can you explain to us what have you been thinking, how much have you read of the thread, and all? Why did you pick Kitanna and whether you had seen people posting about her?

It is really difficult to get a picture of someone or something when there isn't any input...

[Thinlómien]

Too quiet.

I would like to see Bom's answer or Kitanna's or Mith's squeaks before I vote, but nothing is happening...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think I will vote Eomer... but somehow I'm now thinking that the remaining WWs are Mith and Bom. Would make sense, anyway.

Am I left to monologue? Whatever happened to everyone?

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy. At least somebody. I assume Sally is catching up with the thread... or at least I hope. Kit is probably waiting. Whatever happened to Nilp...

[Kitanna]

I'm actually waiting to see who votes. I'm can't save myself and I'm not sure if I can because if I survive today and someone innocent dies instead I will be in the same cycle tomorrow and tomorrow and etc.

Edit: I should say I alone can't save myself right now

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Eomer

Although to be honest, I feel now really unsure about it right when I cast it. But whatever. Decisions need to be made.

Eomer -> G55
LG -> Eomer
Mith -> Sally
Bom -> Kitanna
G55 -> Kitanna (2)
Nog -> Mith
Legate -> Eomer (2)

[Thinlómien]

Huh. No idea what to think of that kind of fatalistic attitude... and was that a Freudian slip of am I messing up with my broken English?

edit: xed with Legate

[Kitanna]

Huh. No idea what to think of that kind of fatalistic attitude... and was that a Freudian slip of am I messing up with my broken English?
No it was fatalistic. I'm just stressed with RL stuff :/ I want to live, but I don't think Eomer is as guilty as others do. I don't know if I want to save myself for voting for someone I don't have any real suspicions of...

[Thinlómien]

++Kitanna

Rather her than Eomer. (If she's innocent and he is not I'm going to hit somebody for making this statement, possibly myself.)


edit: xed with Kit - and sorry to hear about stressful RL, it's not fun. :(

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Huh. No idea what to think of that kind of fatalistic attitude... and was that a Freudian slip of am I messing up with my broken English?

I see... but I think it could have been just a remark which sounded like a slip. I mean, you can interpretate it both ways.

Anyway, you guys should vote before it turns too messy...

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy

[Kitanna]

There's four minutes left, yes?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First things first:
Otherwise, no problem except for him calling Nogrod "kun" (reminds me of the old saying "If you call a whale 'little one', you probably have a 'big' problem." Or: dear students, please bear in mind that there's a difference between 'kun' and 'Exar Kun'.)Every male I suffix with 'kun' (if I bother with Japanese honorifics) at all, cos, you know, everyone should call me 'sama'. :cool:

Really now, Nilp-chan? And yes, Legate-san, he has a big problem. But nothing an industrial paper shredder wouldn't fix.

Anyway, here:

Prologue
I look at 36 posts, and I shudder. So this shall be abridged.

43 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657449&postcount=43)
First in-game-like comment.

Attacks Kit's infamous post and states that she's now'#2' on her suspicion list.

Very likely of being baddies:
-Bom
-Kit

57 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657482&postcount=57)
Clarifies why Bom's #1 on her suspicion list.

Distinguishes between accusation and suspicion. (Actually, if you're pointing fingers, however feeble the reason, you're accusing. And you did say (in 43):
The only explanation I could come up with is that you [Kit] are a wolf who speaks while plotting who will be the first victim.
So Greenie-sama was 'more or less' right.)

Has the impression that Sally is innocent. Still suspicious of Kit and Bom, but thinks that both of them couldn't be evil.

61 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657486&postcount=61)
Repeats that Sally doesn't 'sound like a wolf.'

129 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657579&postcount=129)
Defensive. Well, she has a point about her 'defence' of Sally being exaggerated.

137 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657588&postcount=137)
A list. (Always a ripe material for analysis.) Highlights:

Her suspicion of Kit moderates (she ends her analysis with ' Interesting (I'm not sure if it's in a good or a bad way...)'.)
Still thinks Sally is 'innocentish'.

Generally a noncommittal list--but there's that DAY 1 benefit-of-doubt thing.

157 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657611&postcount=157)
Lampshades that she would have voted for Bom or Kit earlier. Says that she could vote for 'Greenie, Eomer, Lommy, and possibly Nilp'.

Thinks that 'Lommy's posts are somewhat fishy' due to her stance on Lottie and decides that she will probably be her candidate.

186 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657684&postcount=186)
More defensiveness, this time about her vote.

194 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657693&postcount=194)
Defensive vs Kit's analysis of her post, thens does the rubber-glue thing.

212 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657720&postcount=212)
Defensive vs Eomer's analysis of her. Then another list. Kit still features prominently on that list.

221 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657735&postcount=221)
Eomer-lysis. Can't get a clear picture of him.

222 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657737&postcount=222)
Renews her questioning of Lommy. Doesn't consider Leg's vote baddie-fratricide, but hers could be. States that she would do a Nog-lysis.

226 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657747&postcount=226)
Continues her discussion with Lommy re her votes yesterday. [Dead herring, dead herring--we have better things to do toDAY.]

233 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657756&postcount=233)
Thinks Bom is more Ordo than not, due to his absentminded playing style.
Suspicions of Bom go down somewhat, though still not dropped.

237 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657762&postcount=237)
A colour list. Thinks Sally and Leg are innocent, and the closest to suspicion are Nog, Lommy, and Kit. (And Bom, Eomer, and Nilp are 'unknown'.)

239 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657764&postcount=239)
'Nogalysis'. No conclusion, paints him in a somewhat negative light.

239 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657764&postcount=239)
Ah, here's the conclusion. Still thinks something's up with Nog's vote, but '[d]espite that, he does not give me a bad gut-feeling, and at most of the time is quite reasonable.'

CONCLUSIONS:
Does not seem Novice-like (well, except for metagame stuff). But does appear like a confused Ordo. So not toDAY.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

There's four minutes left, yes?

Three now.

EDIT: Two. What's wrong with the clock?

[Thinlómien]

Yes just a few minutes left.

Kit if you're innocent you should vote Eomer unless you really feel like dropping out because otherwise you doom the village to lynching an innocent.

I feel really crazy to say this though as I suspect you and would really like to know your role.


edit: xed with Nilp and Legate

[Nerwen]

Sorry, had to rush out for a half hour. I know that was bad timing...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gah. That took too long.

++Kitanna

Previous blinkly-light thing still stands.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is all too... messy. Weird. And all. Including everything.

As in, why can't people vote five minutes earlier? Would be easier.

[Kitanna]

++Kitanna

Rather her than Eomer. (If she's innocent and he is not I'm going to hit somebody for making this statement, possibly myself.)


edit: xed with Kit - and sorry to hear about stressful RL, it's not fun. :(
Be ready to hit yourself, Lommykins.


++Sally

I'll vote my real suspect

Edit: But I die innocent I say! INNOCENT! But really, good luck to the rest of the village.

[Nerwen]

Running out of time

++Kitanna.

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[satansaloser2005]

++Kit



Bloody lack of time. More of the splainy toMorrow if I'm still around. >.<


Edit: x'd like mad....

[Inziladun]

DL. All stop.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Horrible wagon.

EDIT: X-ed. Sorry, Zil!

[Inziladun]

As the new day dawned, the mariners had been quite elated by the discovery and elimination of one of the killers (though somewhat tempered by the loss of the innocent Shasta).
However, serious discussions had soon resumed, aimed at ferreting out Loslote's companions. As the day once again neared its end, the most votes had been for Kitanna as the next to be hung.
Kitanna was led to the same tree used the previous day, protesting her innocence. The noose was placed, and she was made to stand on the rocks. As they were kicked away, the eager crowd stared at her. Nothing happened, only the still body swaying gently. And darkness came on the island again.


The Living:

Bom Tombadillo
Nogrod
G55
Sally
Eomer
Nerwen
Greenie
Lommy
Nilp
Mithalwen
Legate


The Dead:

Inziladun: (Mod) (killed by the baddies Night 1)
Loslote: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 1)
Shasta: Ordo (murdered by the evil ones Night 2)
Kitanna: Ordo (lynched Day 2)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 3. Baddies, Seer, and Ranger do your thing.

[Inziladun]

On Tol Fuin, the night ruled. Most of the stranded sailors of Númenor tried to sleep, but some walked through the darkness on business of their own.
Nerwen awakened after only an hour or two of sleep. Since the night after the captain had been so brutally killed, her thoughts had been fixed upon the evil ones among them. Trying to get them by day was not enough. They should be stopped from doing vile deeds at night as well, and she was the one to do it.

Hidden from all, Nerwen had kept through the shipwreck her own short sword, concealed on her person always.

Now, she peered into the darkness, preparing to go in search of the ones she sought. She looked out toward the Sea, the crashing of the waves reminding her of home. Before her was a rocky cliff-wall, dropping steeply down some fifty feet to the water. Jagged rocks poked through the surf like teeth.
There was a noise behind her. Rising quickly, she drew her sword and turned in one movement. Rushing toward her were two man-shaped figures. Nerwen swung her sword to meet them just as they reached her. One dove at her feet, knocking her off-balance, as the other kicked her hard in the midsection. The sword flew backwards, out of her hand. Nerwen followed it, over the brink of the cliff to the rocks below.
The body was seen by the other mariners some hours later, prevented by the tides from being swept out to sea.

The Living:

Bom Tombadillo
Nogrod
G55
Sally
Eomer
Greenie
Lommy
Nilp
Mithalwen
Legate


The Dead:

Inziladun: (Mod) (killed by the baddies Night 1)
Loslote: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 1)
Shasta: Ordo (murdered by the evil ones Night 2)
Kitanna: Ordo (lynched Day 2)
Nerwen: Ranger (knocked over a cliff by baddies Night 3)

IT IS DAY 3

[satansaloser2005]

Well bother. :(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, my.

Why her, though? I thought I was doing a pretty good Ranger impersonation. :-/

Anyway:

(Time are in UT. Known innocents italicised, known baddies underlined, person/s in the lead bolded.)

1542 Eomer (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657730&postcount=219) - G55 (G55 - 1)
1940 Greenie (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657763&postcount=238) - Eomer (G55 - 1, Eomer - 1)
2257 Mith (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657811&postcount=270) - Sally (G55 - 1, Eomer - 1, Sally - 1)
2259 Bom (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657812&postcount=271) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 1, Sally - 1, Kit - 1)
2313 G55 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657823&postcount=282) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 1, Sally - 1, Kit - 2)
2321 Nog (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657831&postcount=289) - Mith (G55 - 1, Eomer - 1, Sally - 1, Kit - 2, Mith - 1)
2353 Leg (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657843&postcount=300) - Eomer (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 1, Kit - 2, Mith - 1)
2356 Lommy (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657846&postcount=303) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 1, Kit - 3, Mith - 1)
2358 Nilp (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657853&postcount=310) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 1, Kit - 4, Mith - 1)
0000 Kit (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657855&postcount=312) - Sally (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 2, Kit - 4, Mith - 1)
0000 Nerwen (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657856&postcount=313) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 2, Kit - 5, Mith - 1)
0000 Sally (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657857&postcount=314) - Kit (G55 - 1, Eomer - 2, Sally - 2, Kit - 6, Mith - 1)

Kit sorta-kinda brought it upon herself with her misdirected energy, analysing the baddie-slayers. (From my point of view, at least.) Bom's vote has been lampshaded, unimportant though it was when it came to the final count (but the intention behind it was chin-scratching; he called it a 'throwaway vote', not even a sentence explaining his decision. But this is from a guy with apparently just two games under his belt. Gah.)

The others have been pretty reasonable votes, so far as I can remember (24 hours and 'Oh my goodness I love you Homura Akemi~!' has separated me from that day.)

My trust for the baddie-slayers stand for now. So does my conclusion from that analysis on G55, tempered in the light of the proven innocence of someone who has logically exculpated her (q.v. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196)).

So, Sally (Eru give me strength), Bom, Mith, Eomer, and Greenie under the microscope.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

These are things to say before I do my read-through of Nerwen's post (I may not post an analysis if I don't see anything that stands out, since I have previously analysed her already):

I would like to believe that the priority targets of the baddies are:
The Seer (a risky proposition, as has been pointed out by my mother).
The Ranger (but I repeat my doubt: how do you find her?)
Known innocents (and we have, in my opinion, people closest to that in this village, although doubts have been cast on their status.)
Targets for future misdirection (to enable them to retain the initiative and gain some disguise--but this is only if 1) and 3) (and 2), to a lesser extent) have been taken care of.)

My read-through is for the express purpose of checking to see if 1) and 2) are possible, but I think that for our baddie-slayers they are perhaps, I repeat, the closest thing to 3) and perhaps 1) to them. So things that come to mind are:
Nerwen is a more compelling kill, due to 1) and/or 2) (again, the reason for a readthrough).
There is indeed a baddie among the baddie-slayers.
The baddies are casting reasonable doubt on the baddie-slayers (falls under 4))
The baddie-slayers are now barking up the wrong tree (once again, falls under 4)).

Gah. Don't I just hate myself. I need to read the entire thread carefully.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

People prominent in Nerwen's posts:
Thinlómien:
196 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196): That part at the bottom reveals a smidgen of doubt about Lommy.
211 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657719&postcount=211): The doubt is repeated, but it remains a smidgen (due to her caveat at the end.)
266 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657806&postcount=266): Mentions the possibility of accidental Fenris fratricide, but reiterates that she's not 'getting any particular guilty vibes off Lommy right now'.


Bom Tombadillo:
275 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657816&postcount=275): Welcomes him back, hangs a lampshade on his 'throwaway' vote.
287 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657829&postcount=287): Rules out Bom + Kit.
292 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657834&postcount=292): Repeats her doubts regarding Bom's vote.


Galadriel55:
196 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196): Logical exculpation of G55 due to her 'connexion' with Loslote.
264 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657804&postcount=264): Considers a possible Eomer-Kit-Loslote trio of baddies, due to Eomer's focus on Sally and G55, ostensibly 'to steer the discussion away from Kit'. But once again she adds a caveat at the end. [Prudence is the new patience! :D ]


satansaloser2005:
196 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196): I don't know if she's saying anything about Sally's guilt or not, since parts of the post hangs on the assumption that she's a baddie with Lottie.
264 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657804&postcount=264): This one hangs on the assumption that she's innocent and a shooting target of an evil Eomer. Meh, Nerwen comes to no conclusion about Sally.

Okay, so Lommy kinda looks bad now--all the caveats Nerwen had appended seems to be just like full stops for her sentences, heh. Bom has been attacked on the basis of his vote, so nothing jumps out there. G55 has been defended well enough, so if she had been an attempted Seer-kill them baddies probably thought either she or Lommy (or both) had been a dream target.

(Btw it's cool how nobody save for a two-words-Sally has shown up. Soon I shall flood this DAY with my thoughts and you shall follow me to your doom! DOOM!!!)

Dream on.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

People prominent in Nerwen's posts:

Galadriel55:
196 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657700&postcount=196): Logical exculpation of G55 due to her 'connexion' with Loslote.
264 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657804&postcount=264): Considers a possible Eomer-Kit-Loslote trio of baddies, due to Eomer's focus on Sally and G55, ostensibly 'to steer the discussion away from Kit'. But once again she adds a caveat at the end. [Prudence is the new patience! :D ]

---

Okay, so Lommy kinda looks bad now--all the caveats Nerwen had appended seems to be just like full stops for her sentences, heh. Bom has been attacked on the basis of his vote, so nothing jumps out there. G55 has been defended well enough, so if she had been an attempted Seer-kill them baddies probably thought either she or Lommy (or both) had been a dream target.

It would be very bold of a wolf to outline the reason for the night kill so soon on the next day, but Nilp is either doing just that or is unlucky enough to have stumbled upon the same tracks.

G55 'exculpated' by Nerwen's slaying indeed!

Your interpretation of the Nerwen-Lommy relationship looks like you're trying to shoehorn your 'go after Lommy' agenda where it's not wanted.

And you are making me wonder if Sally might be innocent after all! :eek: :p

[Mithalwen]

Don't get carried away there Eomer, there are limits to plausibility. :cool:

In retrospect, Nerwen's comments yesterday wondering why Shasta looked Seerish to the wolves and saying she hadn't reckoned that the Seer might not be the wolves top priority might indicate that her own priority was working out the Seer not the wolves - which is the proper function of the Ranger.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, several things:

The Kitwagon yesterDay - did seriously nobody at least stop to wonder that it is rather weird how huge and matter-of-factly smooth it has become? As in, I can see people voting for Kit, but I wonder if any of you had ever re-read her posts, or if it was just a spontaneous "let's go!" stuff. I have been wondering about her myself by the start of the Day, but after I managed to reread her posts, it really didn't seem that horrible - there surely were better candidates.

Second, the obvious question, why Nerwen? I don't recall her posting anything specifically Ranger-ish, and Seer-ish, well, that would have to be determined - I don't recall, but it would be worth looking if she didn't say something specific about Lottie on the first Day or such (but she hadn't been around much). I haven't read through her posts yet, I am now just acting based on memory; I think that should be done, however. I am not sure if Nilp, despite announcing that he will attempt it, actually managed to find any response to his question, or then it is phrased in such a way that I can't read it there.

As for other stuff, I would now still very much like to see Bom and have him recount what he was thinking when voting and if he had read the thread before it. To recapitulate, I find it extremely weird to vote Kitanna and say that it's a throwaway, even if he thought it was DL. It can be totally genuine, but it can also be a Wolf genuinely thinking it is DL and excusing himself for a throwaway vote. Anyway, it's just so random.

Now I share Eomer's concern about Nilp, however, I don't cease being wary of Eomer himself - and his rather quick jump on Nilp by the start of toDay makes me wonder about possible ulterior motives in there.

I need to re-read stuff. My basic premise about Nerwen's death would be that she was either a person who didn't look likely to be protected (and possibly, as a bonus, thought to be dangerously clever) or that she simply suspected one or more of the Wolves and was thought a person who didn't look likely to be protected. I am really not thinking, at least on first sight, that she would give off any particularly Gifted vibes.

EDIT: x-ed with Mith. People start to appear, it seems.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When I mentioned not trusting Nilp:

Agreed. I still can't classify him on my suspocion list (slippery him!), but I don't trust him. Neither do I trust you. >.<

It's a thought. Dear cousin Nilp is becoming a problem!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Legate, I am quite simply Kath to your Mormegil: in every game you suspect me! You need to realise that it's the way I post, and has nothing to do with my role. :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Your interpretation of the Nerwen-Lommy relationship looks like you're trying to shoehorn your 'go after Lommy' agenda where it's not wanted.

Actually Nilp, it's weird. You defended Lommy three times yesterday but today you're saying she "kinda looks bad now" because..... because Nerwen wasn't sure about her?

That's strange, even for you. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, I am quite simply Kath to your Mormegil: in every game you suspect me! You need to realise that it's the way I post, and has nothing to do with my role. :)
Really, do I? May be so; in general I know you haven't been in that many games in which I was playing. I at least remember how you behaved when you were a Wolf together with me, which I think was the first game in which we played together. Of course you have a certain kind of behavior or tone which is common to your posts whichever role you might have, but it just seems to me...

Anyway, the stuff at hand now: I went through Nerwen's posts, and as far as I am concerned, I can't find anything that would look Seer-ish or Ranger-ish or whatnot. I am really inclined to believe that she was killed just simply because the WWs thought she won't be protected and all that, with the possibility that she was going after one of them as well.

Don't get carried away there Eomer, there are limits to plausibility. :cool:

In retrospect, Nerwen's comments yesterday wondering why Shasta looked Seerish to the wolves and saying she hadn't reckoned that the Seer might not be the wolves top priority might indicate that her own priority was working out the Seer not the wolves - which is the proper function of the Ranger.

Limits to plausibility, indeed. The thing Mith says here seems a bit complicated to me, or a bit overanalysed. Are you sure you haven't thought of that together with your packmates at Night?

Unrelated to analysing Nerwen, I have found one thing among what she had said which I consider rather clever and worth mentioning - it is related to possible connections of Lottie to G55 (we still have the stuff that G55 was the only one whom Lottie really suspected or spoke about in general on Day 1):
It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet. All the same, it's most unusual for a wolf to give herself no other option but voting a comrade.
Left to ponder.

EDIT: x-ed with one Eo

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Love to, but I'd also love to catch wolves, and I fear there might be a conflict of interest. ;)

Potential quadruple post here, but I would advise people to go back to the first page and trawl through the absurd flirting going on between Loslote and Nilp. Like I said, if Nilp is an evil spirit then he's a bold one!

[Thinlómien]

Too bad about Kit but at least she can concentrate on her RL stuff now. Much worse about Nerwen though. I suspected her a little but I also got slightly gifted vibes from her (hence my not understanding of people saying she did not seem gifted). I will go through her posts to see if we can get any seer-suspect hints from there.

Nilp's conviction of the Lottie-voters' innocence is weird because it's so strong. To me it starts to sound slightly like a wolf insistently buddying up with innocents (I think it's less likely that if Nilp is a wolf one of us is a wolf too - then I doubt he would attract so much attention to his defense of us).

Limits to plausibility, indeed. The thing Mith says here seems a bit complicated to me, or a bit overanalysed. Are you sure you haven't thought of that together with your packmates at Night?My thoughts exactly when I was reading that, and that's twice now Mith has done it. Means Mith is my top suspect at the moment.

At the moment thinking Loslote + Nilp + Mith pack might make a lot of sense. It explains Mith's feeble try to save Lottie, Nilp and Mith keeping playing the mummy&son game going on all the time (what better excuse to co-operate openly?) and Nilp & Lottie's banter on Day1 (if they had already become friends on Night1). Also then it makes sense of Mith's two wolf plan analyses and the one of Nilp's Eomer pointed out, as well as credits my theory about Nilp's let's-not-suspect-the-Lottie-voters meme. As icing on the cake, it explains why Nilp did his traditional self-vote in such a cowardly manner on Day1. :cool:

[Mithalwen]

I asked Nilp if he had caught me a wolf in about my opening post. That's it from my end at least. I am sorry you are unable to understand simple observations on actual comments and the game structure but your lack of comprehension doesn't make me guilty. So don't go making things up.

[Thinlómien]

That's pretty harsh, Mith. Are you implying you find theories of your guilt offensive? I'm sorry if I have offended you, but it does make playing this game a bit difficult if one cannot suspect you (and Nilp?) without you interpreting it as a personal attack.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It would be very bold of a wolf to outline the reason for the night kill so soon on the next day, but Nilp is either doing just that or is unlucky enough to have stumbled upon the same tracks.

G55 'exculpated' by Nerwen's slaying indeed!

Your interpretation of the Nerwen-Lommy relationship looks like you're trying to shoehorn your 'go after Lommy' agenda where it's not wanted.I've always thought of myself as a bold wolf, haha. And if I'm being used as the baddies's Pied Piper, well, that has happened before, too.

I don't get the 'where it's not wanted' bit, but I analysed Nerwen's post from the point of view of her as Seer-suspect, and those are the conclusions that I came up with.

The Kitwagon yesterDay - did seriously nobody at least stop to wonder that it is rather weird how huge and matter-of-factly smooth it has become? As in, I can see people voting for Kit, but I wonder if any of you had ever re-read her posts, or if it was just a spontaneous "let's go!" stuff. I have been wondering about her myself by the start of the Day, but after I managed to reread her posts, it really didn't seem that horrible - there surely were better candidates.Hm, I remember using this tack before. In fact, you were in the altar then, and I was waving around saying 'let's not jump to conclusions, people, we have other villagers to look at.' I was a baddie then.

My vote for Kit, it wasn't because of her posts per se; it was the intention behind it that got me suspecting her.

Second, the obvious question, why Nerwen? I don't recall her posting anything specifically Ranger-ish, and Seer-ish, well, that would have to be determined - I don't recall, but it would be worth looking if she didn't say something specific about Lottie on the first Day or such (but she hadn't been around much). I haven't read through her posts yet, I am now just acting based on memory; I think that should be done, however. I am not sure if Nilp, despite announcing that he will attempt it, actually managed to find any response to his question, or then it is phrased in such a way that I can't read it there.I didn't find any hints of her Ranger identity--no strange icons, no anagrams nor acrostics, or even the word 'protect' or its synonyms. Obviously she won't give out Seer hints--that's something an Ordo would more likely do, to distract the baddies--but my post analysing her posts came from the assumption that the baddies thought she was a Seer.

Actually Nilp, it's weird. You defended Lommy three times yesterday but today you're saying she "kinda looks bad now" because..... because Nerwen wasn't sure about her?

That's strange, even for you. :pAgain, that was from the point of view of Nerwen being seen as a Seer by the baddies, based on what should be their logical priorities. (see my pre-Nerwen analysis post.

If the baddies aren't playing that way, then, yay, I'm useless to this village save as NIGHT-kill fodder (but I hope the Seer can do an innnocent drop and win this village with numbers.)

Nilp's conviction of the Lottie-voters' innocence is weird because it's so strong. To me it starts to sound slightly like a wolf insistently buddying up with innocents (I think it's less likely that if Nilp is a wolf one of us is a wolf too - then I doubt he would attract so much attention to his defense of us).I came to a logical conclusion that baddies won't do a Fenris fratricide. It's to help reduce the number of people I have to analyse, cos gone are the days when I'd print this thread up and scrutinise every word posted, hehe.

Besides, I appended my doubts to it in my analysis of the Lottie voters (in the DAY 1 vote count), but apparently, y'all don't read caveats cos they're like the new full stops.

Although, see, now I'm doubting it. So far as I can understand from what y'all are saying about her, Lottie is kinda like the Garin of old, always lynched, always within 3 DAYs. So who better to offer up to Fenrishood?

[ . . . ]Nilp did his traditional self-vote in such a cowardly manner on Day1. :cool:'Cowardly'? :( I did it differently, that's how I thought . . .

[Mithalwen]

That's pretty harsh, Mith. Are you implying you find theories of your guilt offensive? I'm sorry if I have offended you, but it does make playing this game a bit difficult if one cannot suspect you (and Nilp?) without you interpreting it as a personal attack.


No you are perfectly entitled to suspect me but it would be nice if the suspicions were based on my failings not yours. But no doubt this is just a feeble squeak.

[Galadriel55]

I thought I was doing a pretty good Ranger impersonation. :-/

Than was the sentence that made my head explode yesterday when I quickly checked the thread to see who was killed.

:p

So, Sally (Eru give me strength), Bom, Mith, Eomer, and Greenie under the microscope.

So the first and last to vote Kit, and those who didn't vote her?

Your interpretation of the Nerwen-Lommy relationship looks like you're trying to shoehorn your 'go after Lommy' agenda where it's not wanted.

Not wanted... by whom? ;)

The Kitwagon yesterDay - did seriously nobody at least stop to wonder that it is rather weird how huge and matter-of-factly smooth it has become?

And another question: when did it truly become a wagon?

As for other stuff, I would now still very much like to see Bom and have him recount what he was thinking when voting and if he had read the thread before it. To recapitulate, I find it extremely weird to vote Kitanna and say that it's a throwaway, even if he thought it was DL. It can be totally genuine, but it can also be a Wolf genuinely thinking it is DL and excusing himself for a throwaway vote. Anyway, it's just so random.

Ditto this.

I came to a logical conclusion that baddies won't do a Fenris fratricide.

Please explain your logic. I came to the conclusion that they may as well have done that, to look innocent - and if they have, they succeeded with you at least.


@ EVERYONE WHO TALKED ABOUT NERWEN: I think that she was just too careful about not giving a definite concusion to her posts (something Seerish?). Or she was just a very good player who did not look like she was going to be protected.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Please explain your logic. I came to the conclusion that they may as well have done that, to look innocent - and if they have, they succeeded with you at least.It's DAY 1. Votes are going to be random. I won't do a statistical study, but I'd imagine that less baddies are killed on DAY 1 than in any other DAY.

I think that baddie-fratricide would be more beneficial when a more proper 'case' against a fellow baddie could be made, cos then the baddie-accuser could not be suspected of having hidden knowledge of who's who in the village. Again, this is from the (theoretical) logical standpoint.

But since apparently this Lottie gal attracts lynches that would make me jealous, I'm beginning to suspect if this theoretical logical situation applies at all. The baddies's latest kill drives home the point--why not kill one of the Lottie voters instead (since it gets rid of a trusted villager AND a possible Seer), unless one of them is a baddie?

BUT, argh, that could also be the reason (or one of the reasons) for their kill, to cast reasonable doubt on their presumed innocence--which however, this village has already taken with more than a few grains of salt. So meh.

[Thinlómien]

'Cowardly'? I did it differently, that's how I thought . . .Yes, differently - in a manner that put you in no danger of getting lynched. Hence I called it "cowardly" although of course it's not any more "cowardly" than voting someone else than yourself. :)

Currently slightly annoyed with the game and having stuff to do, shall be back way later but before the deadline though. When I'm back, expect more thoughts on Nerwen's death, the Kit-wagon and a list giving each villager their time in the spotlight.


edit: xed with Nilp

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But since apparently this Lottie gal attracts lynches that would make me jealous, I'm beginning to suspect if this theoretical logical situation applies at all. The baddies's latest kill drives home the point--why not kill one of the Lottie voters instead (since it gets rid of a trusted villager AND a possible Seer), unless one of them is a baddie?

Why not kill one of Lottie-voters? Exactly because that's what is logical - they might be protected. And one can also wonder whether they did not suspect some WWs up to the point that the WWs thought it will be unwise to target them as it might be interpretated as trying to get rid of somebody who suspects them. Or whatever, the options are many.

Right now, a simple list of people:

GREEN ZONE
Nogrod - no change from yesterDay, looks okay.
Lommy - also still looking okay.

YELLOW ZONE
Greenie - not posted since yesterDay, therefore no change
Sally - ditto.

ORANGE ZONE
G55 - still wary, although I am a bit flip-flopping about her right now; some things she said lately sound more innocentish, but then some are sort of so general observations that they sound false (like basically seconding what I said and the stuff she says as conclusion about Nerwen also isn't anything really new and for some reason, it just strikes me as something a lazy Wolf could write without raising too much fuss and buzz)
Eomer - simply still wary of him, see above
Mithalwen - moving her here, with the yesterDay's total slipping under the radar (and previous) and not sure what to think of the overanalysing of Nerwen's kill (as mentioned above)
Nilp - moving him here too. His analyses don't really analyse anything, aside from that, there are some logical holes in his analyses, or he seems to have a tunnel vision - or then he is intentionally just keeping certain point of view. Like when he analysed Nerwen, it is nice to try if the WWs didn't think she was a Seer, but since it very much seems like they didn't, why not drop the assumption in favor of something more logical and try again, instead of wasting the effort on something which really does not seem to work? Anyway, the way he posts is just too chaotic with me - maybe it's not actual suspicion, but somehow disapproval of his style. More clearly phrased thoughts, please. A list from him about what he thinks about various people would be very nice, for example.

RED ZONE
waiting to be filled with people from above...

GREY ZONE
Bom - so, shall there be input? I am not in the true sense of the word suspecting him based on how he voted yesterDay (or rather what he said about the vote), but I would still really want to hear from him.

[Nogrod]

Way to go Lommy! I suspected Mith already yesterDay mainly because of the way she could be seen trying to help Lottie (while no one else did - and there are still two of her mates around!) and I have also felt a bit uneasy with some of her wolf's POV speculations, not that that couldn't or shouldn't be done, but they have been kind of "detailed" one wouldn't expect from an ordo. Also Nilp's comfortable defense of us three Lottie-lynchers is starting to border on feeling fake.

But you have more or less connected the dots to look like a believavle scenario - even if I think Mith is correct in that one facet of it she criticises you about. But her only pointing out that one thing - where she probably is right and you Lommy are not - looks a bit suspicious. Heh, she's actually not saying no to those other points but just disagrees where she knows she has it right, if you get what I mean (I think I expressed it quite confusedly to be honest).

This heightens my belief that G55 is innocent (nice spot Legate)
it's most unusual for a wolf to give herself no other option but voting a comrade.So it's not only that I don't think Lottie as one who'd scheme against a fellow on D1 and that she didn't seem to me to be doing that when suspecting G55, but there's also this. i mean when a wolf decides to add some suspicion to her/his fellow s/he does well to have other (even one) innocent susect as well so that there is a possibility to have a choice with the voting as going blindly only aga9inst your mate would be stupid if fex. you had a possibility of lynching an innocnet instead with no fear for you and your mates or suspicions raised.

If Mith and Nilp are not our wolves, then I would also like to hear a lot more from Bom - and anyway some explanation to his vote yesterDay would be nice. Casting the first vote to someone who is the most suspected of all is no "throwaway" by any standards.

I don't find Eomer or Greenie especially suspicious, but I don't seem to have no reason to trust them either. Actually I'm a bit scared of Greenie (surprise! :)) as she plays again that hunker down & lay low -game, but makes posts with enough reasoning to look like a person we should keep around unless something drastic comes her way.


okay, needs to go for now, but I'll be back later in the evening.

[Galadriel55]

Nilp's conviction of the Lottie-voters' innocence is weird because it's so strong. To me it starts to sound slightly like a wolf insistently buddying up with innocents (I think it's less likely that if Nilp is a wolf one of us is a wolf too - then I doubt he would attract so much attention to his defense of us).

Why did this bit give me a poke on my second read? Maybe because it sounds somewhat alike to what Sally kept saying about me?

And that's even more flipflopping on your part, Lommy. ;)

Although I do agree that Nilp's belief is quite strong, and maybe even a bit blind.

Limits to plausibility, indeed. The thing Mith says here seems a bit complicated to me, or a bit overanalysed. Are you sure you haven't thought of that together with your packmates at Night?

I think Mith was referring to this comment:

However, looking at yesterDay's chaos of accusations, counter-accusations and passionate defences, it's interesting that apparently nobody looked more like the Seer to the wolves. Shasta's case on Lottie was built on in-game evidence– whereas, a good many players seemed ready to defend/suspect others at the drop of a hat.

And also this one, which was said in reply to Mith's Ranger-twist post:

That would explain a few things– it's been suggested the wolves thought Shasta was the Seer because of his case on Lottie and/or comments about Sally, but I find that unlikely (unless they panicked). It's just so hard not to think of getting the Seer as the lupine priority.

On hindsight, I can see these being typed by a worried Ranger - as Mith noted yesterDay, the wolves might not have gone for the most Seerish person around because of the Ranger twist. Perhaps she was protecting someone who defended/accused a person "at the drop of a hat", and Mith's post was a realisation that her job is much harder....

I disagree with a bit what Mith said today about these, though:

In retrospect, Nerwen's comments yesterday wondering why Shasta looked Seerish to the wolves and saying she hadn't reckoned that the Seer might not be the wolves top priority might indicate that her own priority was working out the Seer not the wolves - which is the proper function of the Ranger.

I think Nerwen meant that the wolves' top priority - and therefore her priority at Night as well - might not be the Seer. (But during the Day, finding the Seer is back at the top.)



It's DAY 1. Votes are going to be random. I won't do a statistical study, but I'd imagine that less baddies are killed on DAY 1 than in any other DAY.

I think that baddie-fratricide would be more beneficial when a more proper 'case' against a fellow baddie could be made, cos then the baddie-accuser could not be suspected of having hidden knowledge of who's who in the village. Again, this is from the (theoretical) logical standpoint.

But since apparently this Lottie gal attracts lynches that would make me jealous, I'm beginning to suspect if this theoretical logical situation applies at all. The baddies's latest kill drives home the point--why not kill one of the Lottie voters instead (since it gets rid of a trusted villager AND a possible Seer), unless one of them is a baddie?

BUT, argh, that could also be the reason (or one of the reasons) for their kill, to cast reasonable doubt on their presumed innocence--which however, this village has already taken with more than a few grains of salt. So meh.

I still don't get this. Am I that thick, or is Nilp trying to find evidence where there isn't any? Someone help me please. His comments toDay are prone to make my head explode. :p

Edit: xed with Legate and Nog

[Galadriel55]

But you have more or less connected the dots to look like a believavle scenario - even if I think Mith is correct in that one facet of it she criticises you about. But her only pointing out that one thing - where she probably is right and you Lommy are not - looks a bit suspicious. Heh, she's actually not saying no to those other points but just disagrees where she knows she has it right, if you get what I mean (I think I expressed it quite confusedly to be honest).

I was lost less than halfway through. It is more than a bit confusing. Can you rephrase it please?

Am I just having a being-thick day? :rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Listy thing after a read-through of the entire thread, just so I get my priorities straight.

Doubleplusgood
None - even those I used to trust I'm half-inclined to suspect now.

Plusgood
Legate - Posts lists, which is good. And his lists aren't waffling things, but concrete expressions of what he thinks, which is plusgood. [My thoughts on his thoughts regarding me after the list.]

Good
Sally - She jump-started serious discussion on DAY 1 with her infamous declaration. And she has given me no reason to suspect her now.

Doubleplusunsure
Nogrod - On one hand, baddie-slayer and reasonable chap. On the other hand, this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657771&postcount=246) (the 3rd to the last paragraph) feels like a hand that guides the bandwaggon--without him getting on it (q.v. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657831&postcount=289)).

Lommy - My possible Nerwen scenario (that apparently only makes sense in my head) lends to the possibility of her Fenris-ing Lottie. On the other hand, her reason for that vote (that Shasta's case sounded reasonable) sounds plausible, since I do it as an Ordo, too.

Bom - Strange plan to vote for Sally on DAY 1. Strange Kit vote on DAY 2. Absentmindedness points to an Ordo, but one never knows.

Mith - Seems a little too concerned with the rules that I can't read her.

Ungood
G55 - My confused Ordo view of her is wavering, since she seems to be in the middle of a lot of scenarios . . .

Greenie - Her list on DAY 2 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657749&postcount=228) has me wondering. (Her silence is normal, though, tee-hee.)

Eomer - His almost single-minded attack of G55 (2 votes in 2 DAYs) feels like a baddie sweeping his trail. I don't know what to make of his renewed vigour toDAY though.

Plusungood
None, apparently.

Doubleplusungood
No alarms screaming 'baddie alert' in my head from y'all (unlike from Kit yesterday.)

~*~

Hm, I've been ad hominem-ed way too many times in my WW career that, were I less of a cloudcuckoolander, I'd start questioning if I should start changing myself.

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'

Meh, I'll vote for myself (or back out, depending on my mood) if I still feel this way after a night's sleep. Sorry.

(/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ I'll catch you a Werewolf, if you make a contract with me!)

[Mithalwen]

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'



*hugs*....I know what you mean. But be to thine own self be true. Don't be bullied out.

[A Little Green]

Phew, here at last. Honestly, guys, what was that yesterDay? :confused:

Crossed since Greenie.... Eomer ? Reasons? In her list she suspects him mainly due to something Lommie said. *wrinkles nose* Maybe she is anti knights errant. Or a throw away?Not quite, and I like knights, anyway. More like, I needed to go to sleep and had no idea who I'd vote, so I chose to go without explanation for someone I was vaguely uneasy about - fishing for reactions while if he was in fact lynched we would not be lynching anyone I believed innocent. As it is, the reaction-fishing mainly proved that he didn't seem to make much of it at all. I'm torn between finding him a manipulative baddie and a laid back innocent.

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

++ MithI should have known that my finding Nog innocent can't last long, and the above is pretty much what gave me second thoughts. He washes his hands of the Kit-wagon after suspecting her pretty much all Day, fuelling the bandwagon without being de facto a member of it. Really makes me raise my eyebrows.

I think I will vote Eomer... but somehow I'm now thinking that the remaining WWs are Mith and Bom. Would make sense, anyway.Well, this doesn't. I mean, if you think Mith and Bom are the remaining wolves, why vote for Eomer? Especially seeing as I believe Mith had as many votes at that point as Eomer did.
Actually I'm a bit scared of Greenie (surprise! ) as she plays again that hunker down & lay low -game, but makes posts with enough reasoning to look like a person we should keep around unless something drastic comes her way. The "hunker down & lay low -game" is also known as work. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

See, this is what happens when I can't actually catch up on the Day properly. Yeah, I suspected Kit, but I may have voted differently if I'd been able to read everything. (Okay, probably not, but I still don't like being behind.) Bother. :(

Anyway, there's no changing what's happened, only getting it right this time. I'm sure if we all do our best toDay to get a wolf, and try not to vote all in like ten minutes, we'll have a much better outcome. (I'm a bit ill this morning, hence the psych trip.)


I need to take a good look at everyone, and it SEEMS like I'll have the time in the next few hours, so hopefully I can work up a good list of suspicions.


Come on, wolves, what did Nerwen ever do to you? :(


EDIT: I had this post open in my browser for ages, so despite being so short I still cross-posted like mad. :/

[A Little Green]

So who do we have here?

Bom - Uninvolved. I doubt he's evil though, I'd think he would make more of an effort if he was.

Eomer - An enigma for me. His gallantry could go either way - helpful innocent or manipulative baddie - and the same goes for his response to my out-of-the-blue voting for him. (His only reaction to that being that he found me innocent.) I see both a genial innocent and a wolf's attempt to appear unconcerned at the threat and at the same time trying to raise doubts in me by saying I look innocent. Gah. I don't know what to make of his Gal-fixation, either.

Galadriel - More innocent than not at the moment.

Legate - Until he returns to shed some light on his yesterDay's reasoning I will refrain from forming an opinion.

Lommy - Still looks like a solid innocent Lommy to me.

Mith - A tough nut to crack. She has slipped under my radar I'm afraid, and though others have made shrewd points about her I don't want to form an opinion until having a look of my own.

Nilp - I never seem to be able to read him. Might want a closer look.

Nog - His conduct regarding the Kit-wagon was alarming. Otherwise he has seemed fine to me.

Sally - I seem to say "I don't know" about everyone. I still think her "ordo-reveal" seemed more innocent than not, but there is other stuff that counts against her - mainly that she tends to suspect primarily those who question her and seemed really anxious to break any possible ties between herself and Gal.

[A Little Green]

Where is everybody? As a friend of mine just put it, you're obviously all wolves since you only post by night. :D I think I'll have a look at the Kit-wagon now.

[A Little Green]

My quick look at the Kit-wagon would have proved more fruitful if I'd have had time to read through the entire Day instead of just the voting. Still, a few observations.

BOM began the wagon with the famous "anyway, throwaway vote". I still have little idea of just how little he knew of what was going on.
GAL was the second to vote for Kit, putting her in the lead. She had been pretty consistent in her suspicion all Day if I remember correctly.
(NOG votes Mith after consistently making arguments against Kit. I have already expressed my concern over this.)
LOMMY complains, in length, about how bad her choices are, and ends up with voting Kit because she prefers lynching her to lynching Eomer. Her vote breaks a draw between the two and puts Kit to the lead again.
NILP, in a hurry, explains his vote with "Previous blinkly-light thing still stands." I suppose this refers to earlier suspicion of Kit.
NERWEN is also running out of time, posting her vote at exactly the DL. Since she's a dead Gifted I didn't feel the need to check her previous posts for reasons.
SALLY is likewise in a hurry and votes at the DL, but admittedly she had consistently suspected Kit.

[satansaloser2005]

At a quick glance....

My dark prince is clearly innocent. Applying meta-logic, a wolf Nilp wouldn't drop out of a game. Without the meta-logic, however, I still find him to be an ally rather than a villain. I'll be quite cross with anyone who attempts to lynch him.

Mither-in-law's reactions to suspicion of her are unnecessarily strong, to the point of being a bit rude. Is she trying to hide her guilt? It could be so. Her insistence that not knowing the rules (or pretending not to know them) is such a huge deal, her constant suspicion of myself and Bom, and then her (to me) detached votes? It looks far too planned, too much like she's trying to play the disagreeable little mage who dislikes everyone's styles and causes just enough fuss to look like she cares, when in reality she doesn't care who dies (as long as it's not her packmates, mind you).

If Mith is a wolf, Nog probably isn't (based on his confusing yet logical post #340). However, his hesitation to follow the Kit wagon does look fishy. I'm trying to decide if it was a legitimate fear that the lynch was too easy, or if he had more sinister motives. I'm leaning toward the latter, but as I've said I also don't think he and Mith would be in the same pack, so I can't decide which I suspect more. Lynching one would likely prove the innocence or guilt of the other, if nothing else.

I'm not really that ready to make any sort of case on anyone else, which is why I'm not mentioning them more explicitly. However, I will offer a list to share my blase little hunches on them all (which will of course change once I take a good look at everyone).



Guiltier:
Mith
Nog

Coming to the dark side:
Galadriel (I'm thinking it may be her newness rather than guilt, but I'm still wary)

May have stolen my pudding:
Lommy
Legate
Bom (so little to go on, and what he has written is pretty useless, his weird Kit vote aside)

Likely not lupine:
Eomer (I keep flip flopping on this, but I'm inclined to think him innocent at the moment)
Greenie (looks agreeable as well as not guilty, so I'll definitely not vote her toDay)
Nilp





I have to make some more phone calls, so I'll be out....again....for a bit. Sorry.

[Galadriel55]

#51 - comments on the "Sally-Bom business". bis more innocent than not. Thinks Bom's post is fishier than Sally's ordo reveal, but doubts his guilt because so many people suspect him. Calls Nerwen careful and neutral. Questions some parts of Kit's post about her suspicions for Bom and Sally, but agrees with others. Argues with some of my statements about the matter.

#54 - nothing useful

#62 - replies to my reply to her first post.

#65 - votes Bom because he intended to vote Sally for her "DeathWish".

D2

#227 - comments on different posts

#228 - list. Nerwen, Mith, and Nilp are unknown. The others are either "leaning innocent" or she's "confused about" them.

#229 - nothing useful

#235 - Nerwenalysis. No definite conclusion: could go either way.

#236 - again nothing useful

#238 - votes Eomer. She called him "crafty" in her list and said that he confuses her.

D3

#345 - explains her Eomer vote and makes some very keen points.

#374 - another list. What differs from the previous list:

-Questions Legate about his reasoning yesterDay, doesn't want to form an opinion before he explains (on the previous list Legate was his "wishy-washy self" and there was no certain opinion.)

-Thinks me more innocent that not (whereas before she was torn about me.)

-Alarmed about Nog's role in the Kitwagon (otherwise the same as in the last list)

The opinion about other people didn't change much.

#348 - nothing much

#349 - Kitwagon summary.


Conclusion: I have very little to say about Greenie except that she made some good points. Both of her votes were sort of random, but she explained them, and I'll leave it at that for now. So far she sounds innocentish, but her votes still bug me a little. So she safely stays in my "yellow" category. :)

Edit: xed with Sally

[A Little Green]

Just my luck. I'm the only one here for over an hour, then people appear just as I'm going to bed. :rolleyes: Anyway, I'm not at all sure about this, but since I want to base my vote on an actual logical reason instead of a vague fishy feeling I haven't havd the time to check properly, my vote will go to

++ Nogrod

[A Little Green]

I'm going now, but fully expect to be more around toMorrow if I'm still alive. Good night sweethearts.

[Mithalwen]

At a quick glance....


Mither-in-law's reactions to suspicion of her are unnecessarily strong, to the point of being a bit rude. Is she trying to hide her guilt? It could be so. Her insistence that not knowing the rules (or pretending not to know them) is such a huge deal, her constant suspicion of myself and Bom, .

You know what I find rude? Calling people weird and strange or Ms. or cowards or feeble. I have found you suspicious because you have behaved suspiciously. I find not knowing the rules suspicious and what do you know the person who claimed not to know the rules was a wolf.

Oh and the other thing I find rude is really puerile nicknames so as far as you are concerned I am Mithalwen, I really can't be bothered when the game consists of pointless lists and waiting to the last minute and then jumping on any passing bandwagon. I'd rather listen to yesterday in Parliament or do the washing up. This game is "Huis Clos" and will be unbearable if Nilp is driven off.

Whatever.

[Inziladun]

C'mon now folks. Let's not have the acrimony. You don't want to displease the Master (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagbeOoUxxg), do you? ;)

[satansaloser2005]

C'mon now folks. Let's not have the acrimony. You don't want to displease the Master (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagbeOoUxxg), do you? ;)


I bloody love you. :D

[Inziladun]

I bloody love you. :D

Danke schön, and back atcha. :D

[Nogrod]

C'mon now folks. Let's not have the acrimony. Exactly. I have only skimmed bits and pieces along the day as I have been busy elsewhere, lately writing my Arda Cup 2011 post for the games in Valmar which took soo much longer I expected... :(

But really. This has been so gentlemanly (gentlewomanly) sport for such a long time I'm a bit confused where all this is coming from. There were some incidences years ago where people got hurt and we made those WW-guidelines and all that - and I thought they worked, and they have worked.

So what's up now?

I think Lommy has not been the most cordial in her choice of expressions (which knowing her I find hard to be any evidence of an ill will: she surely didn't want to upset anyone, not to talk of hurting anyone), but I do find Nilp and Mithalwen over-reacting a bit as well.

Let's now come back to square one, shall we? Nilp stays in the game, Mithalwen let's the bad feelings go and Lommy watches her tongue, right?


On another issue, this turns out to be a bad day for me as I have to wake up at 7AM tomorrow so I need to quit and vote around midnight/1AM the latest, meaning two to three hours before the DL. If I'm around on D4 I can stay to the very end "in compensation"... :rolleyes:

Well, diving into read the posts of toDay I have not read and then hopefully having something to say about the game itself.

[satansaloser2005]

Go to bed, Noggins. :p


I'm looking at all the votes right now, and will probably be back with a post shortly.

[Nogrod]

Go to bed, Noggins.Heh, it's only past eleven... You'll have to stand me for an hour or so. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Heh, it's only past eleven... You'll have to stand me for an hour or so. :)

Ugh....

:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

DAY ONE

I'm off to bed pretty much now, meaning that I get to cast the first vote of the Day! I'm not sure about this, but it being the best shot I have,

++ Bom

I think I've explained enough in my previous posts, but in short - planning to vote Sally because of her "death wish" strikes me as an idea that benefits the baddies more than us.


I do have to shake my head at this, because, to me, Bom's "suspicion" of me was a joke, and a fairly obvious one. But it was the first Day, and as I've stated somewhere else, baddies can hide behind jokes, so in the absence of having a better candidate, I could see how Greenie would do this. I still don't entirely agree with it, but I'll give it a pass (especially because she didn't vote me :p).

Thanks dear

++Sally
My hat I say!

I have to go now. Best of luck to the village for the rest of today.

We know she was an innocent, so I'll not bother to comment on this much, except to say that I'm going to eat a sock when I get home tonight.


++Galadriel55

So you'll remember me forever as the first person ever to vote for you in Werewolf. Har! :D

Seriously: too much defending of Sally, too much attacking Bom and a weird interpretation of Kitanna. I think there's something lupine with this one!

He'd voiced his suspicions, and backed them up with a fairly solid vote. I don't see a huge problem here.


++Lottie

See above for reasons.

Shasta, out.

First Lottie vote, and probably the one that got him killed.


OK it has been a long hot day and my head hurts, I feel I must stay with my strongest pick. I found the initial announcement odd and the complete volteface on playing style too bizarre.

++Satansaloser

I'm flipping known for this stuff. (That and my name is Sally, but meh.) As I've said to Nog before, playing style or abundance of posts does not dictate wolvery, so for that to be her strong point against me? It's definitely shaky. (I'll let this pass, however, because the post in question -of mine- was rather intended to stir up discussion, so I shan't fault people for, well, discussing it. It was also the first Day, so I get that she didn't have much to go on, especially if she wasn't feeling well.)


Okay, voting now, to minimalise the mess and make votes more relevant in their reading.

++Lottie

He initially suspected Lottie because her first list was, well, rubbish. It seems a sudden case, because his list before that had Lottie as just a person he'd like to see more from, but at the same time I don't see Legate bussing a packmate when he easily could have made me his top suspect for the Day instead.


++LOTTIE

Sorry m'dear but you're more suspicious than Sally...


edit: xed with G55 and Legate

Erm, since when? No, I know, Lommie doesn't find me that guilty, and that's lovely, but the statement looks fishy to me. It was between me, whom she didn't even suspect, and only one other person? What about everyone else in the village? Just an observation, and possibly even a paranoid one. >.<


++Lommy

I still maintain that this was sort of random. If I may quote the following....

I could vote for Greenie, Eomer, Lommy, and possibly Nilp, but there has been limited participation from all of them.

Lommy's posts are somewhat fishy - she has no opinions well into the Day, and decides to vote for Lottie as soon as Shasta casts suspicion on her, but then decides against it. She will probably be my candidate.

Up until this, she had ONLY commented on Kit and Bom. They were her suspects, they were the baddies. Then Lommie is suddenly evil for not having much of an opinion. It just looks strange to me. Also, notice that her "I could vote for" list included neither of the people she was up against until just previously in the thread.


I see this has been decided while I was writing my last post. Let's check it.

++ Loslote

This looks so bad. "I see this has been decided," he says. So because it's been decided, he wants to just go along with it? It bothers me a lot. Like, a lot a lot.



++Nilpaurion Felagund

There's my boy. :Merisu:


++Galadriel

Erm....that's my vote. Hi there. *waves*



DAY TWO

Will probably be around later but there's a chance I'll have no internet access whatsoever, so I'll vote now.

++Galadriel55

Was suspicious of her yesterday, and she looks more suspicious with every post. Not certain she's guilty or anything but she is my top suspect.

Interested in seeing Kitanna's comeback on Lommy, which I'm pretty sure will have to be toned down as it seems to rest on a misinterpretation.

Sally still suspicious. Wondering about Nerwen, Mithalwen and Nilp.

Hopefully (probably) back later.

At least he's consistent? :/


Bed-time.

++ Eomer

She laid off Bom in a previous post, and now seems to be voting Eomer because (a few posts back) she describes him as confusing. I'm not liking this.


Nogrod, you of all people should know how I feel about last minute voting. I don't call half an hour before deadline early. Better to steer where you believe someone guilty than follow ....

Anyway the indisposition of last night means I am tired now ... same vote, same reasons - generally all over the place.

++Satansaloser

Same vote for no reasons. She didn't even try to come up with another candidate. I know she's not the seer, because she'd be all over someone else if she was, so my best guess is that she's a wolf who realizes that I'm (as always) easy enough to get rid of, and she's going to take that opportunity.


Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something. Anyway, throwaway vote:

++Kitanna

x'ed with Mithalwen.

I flipping HATE this vote. Calling it a throwaway vote is my biggest problem here; if he just said he didn't have time, I'd be okay with it, but calling it a throwaway? :/


You might want to consider doing all that during the Night. Saves time.

Anyways, I think I've talked about Kit enough toDay to not have to repeat everything now. If you want clarification (*looks at Legate*) tell me so and I'll summarise my reasoning.

++Kitanna

Edit: xed with.... everything!

So now she flips back to Kitanna (the flipping here being from her vote yesterDay going in a completely different direction). Obviously we know how this worked out, but I do have to give her some credit for going back to and sticking with a suspicion, even if it was wrong. I still don't like her vote from yesterDay, however.


Okay, I just can't wait for the 45 minutes even if I wished to. Too early a call tomorrow.

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

++ Mith

What the heck?!?! So you suspect Kit, you think the case against her is good, but you're still not going to vote for her?


++Eomer

Although to be honest, I feel now really unsure about it right when I cast it. But whatever. Decisions need to be made.

It's important to note here that he ties Eomer and Kit, which makes me strongly believe that if either of them is a wolf, the other is not. I'm leaning toward (if either of them) Legate being the wolf in the scenario here.


++Kitanna

Rather her than Eomer. (If she's innocent and he is not I'm going to hit somebody for making this statement, possibly myself.)


edit: xed with Kit - and sorry to hear about stressful RL, it's not fun.

I'm not comfortable with this vote either. See Legate, only in reverse. But would Lommie be that obvious?

Gah. That took too long.

++Kitanna

Previous blinkly-light thing still stands.

I still think he's innocent, so I don't know. Meh.


Be ready to hit yourself, Lommykins.


++Sally

I'll vote my real suspect

Edit: But I die innocent I say! INNOCENT! But really, good luck to the rest of the village.

*pets her*

We'll meet up and have a feast of hats. What do you say?


Running out of time

++Kitanna.

EDIT:X'd since last post.

Again with the "she's innocent, so meh" spiel.


++Kit

Bloody lack of time. More of the splainy toMorrow if I'm still around. >.<

Hello, my vote again. Moving on now....


DAY THREE


Just my luck. I'm the only one here for over an hour, then people appear just as I'm going to bed. Anyway, I'm not at all sure about this, but since I want to base my vote on an actual logical reason instead of a vague fishy feeling I haven't havd the time to check properly, my vote will go to

++ Nogrod

I'm agreeing with some of her logic here, so I'm going to call this vote legit, but of course it's also a safe time to vote, a time when anything can happen, so it could be a show case (see what I did there?) rather than actual suspicion. I'm just trying to balance the side of me that wants to trust Greenie with the tiny part of me that's screaming that she's a wolf. Tiny, tiny part, but still. Need balance!




And I didn't even cross-post this entire time. I call shenanigans.

[Nogrod]

Greenie explaining her out of the blue vote for Eomer yesterDay:I needed to go to sleep and had no idea who I'd vote, so I chose to go without explanation for someone I was vaguely uneasy about - fishing for reactions while if he was in fact lynched we would not be lynching anyone I believed innocent.Now this I think looks fishy, if you can say claiming to be fishing looks fishy without making a sort of tautology.

If Nilp was a wolf, then threatening to pull out would be a bit too dramatic and thus I don't suspect him that much at the moment. We like to play with you Nilp, so just bring yourself back! But we might also suspect you from time to time if there was a reason - and I think the basic reason some (including me) suspected you was your very confident backing of all us Lottie-lynchers - like you tried to buddy-up with us in a way more fitting to wolves than innocents who don't exactly "know" things. I do agree on principle that I'd find it more improbable than not that a wolf would have joined the hanging of Lottiewolf on D1 in this situation, but I wouldn't give a free-pass to Lommy and Legate because of that (and I don't presuppose you would give it to me either).

Why I find Lommy & Legate more or less innocent is that I think they speak sense and make good points - and them lynching a wolf is kind of adding up to that general feeling. It's not evidence, but one piece - even if a large one - in a pile.

I'm really torn with Mith now. Her wolf-POV posts (not one but a few) look a bit too deep inside views or too closely thought to be innocent-made (or then I'm just seeing ghosts here); after Lommy made X number of suspicions on her she only answered the one where Lommy was maybe getting a bit over-eager to find evidence to support Mith's guilt. That's something. But still I'm most bothered about Mith's vote on D1.

There were three wolves on D1 and I just don't think they all let it go or actively sponsored her lynch. It just doesn't make sense as fex. Sally (Mith's vote btw.) was gathering quite a lot suspicion as well.The wolves can play sacrifying one of them but it's not what they normally do or which is clever for them on D1 on average. And the only one whom we could interpret as "trying to help" Lottie was Mith.

So either Mith is a wolf or then no one cared about Lottie dying.

Bom then... I'm leaning him to be too detached not being a wolf (and if he is and wins with this performance we can just nullify it as the win was not earned). I admit his vote yesterDay gave me the creeps and for a moment I was considering of voting him just because of that. But after some second thoughts I think it would be unwise to lynch him.

If he doesn't start appearing more often, I'd suggest to the mods of the next games not to allow him in though, unless he swears he will play too and not only hang around as totally unpredictable dead weight. (Sorry Bom, you may have busy days and whatever - and if there is a force majeure for you not playing then I do apologise, but if not, then I hope you understand that this is a game where we expect everyone to get involved).

Okay. A short pause now...


EDIT: X'd with Sally's last one. Hey, where is everybody?

[satansaloser2005]

X'd with Sally's last one. Hey, where is everybody?

I flipping know, right? :(

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh, I do find it pleasant when people enjoy Werewolf; and what's so difficult about it, I wonder?

You're all a bunch of freaks for letting G55 off the hook - as you are so clearly doing. Well, you haven't fooled me, missy. I'm onto you.

I'm in danger of dishonouring tradition and the ways of my ancestors by admitting this, but Sally is gradually slipping down my suspicion list. I know, I know! She's still up there, but Nilp has sort of barged her off second place.

[Nogrod]

Eomer: so you think Lottiewolf only went agaisnt G55-wolf, not even trying to suspect anyone else the whole Day as to leave her no other option but to vote her mate? And doing that knowingly from the very beginning?

I don't know which of the following is the most odd:
- Lottie doing that?
- You thinking Lottie would do that?
- Me thinking you though Lottie doing that?

:smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

I don't know which of the following is the most odd:
- Lottie doing that?
- You thinking Lottie would do that?
- Me thinking you though Lottie doing that?

Yes.


It's possible, but I don't find it too terribly likely. At least I don't think so. Oh, heck, I don't know anymore. *runs away sobbing dramatically*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I do think that.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, let me try to clarify why I think Sally is suspicious.

The ordo-reveal which got Kit's back up? Aye, that was suspicious to me. All her other typically crazy posts I always find suspicious; but it's not fair! I'm being Legate to your Eomer ( :p ) because that's just the way you are.

What really gripped me though was G55's clinging onto you on Day One; and I totally understand that it would be frustrating for you, as an Ordo, to hear me and others keep banging on about it - but I'm sure you understand that it does look off.

Since then you've not really done anything suspicious or innocentish - you've just sort of been there, lurking like all the others. And I'm not certain what your hidden identity is.

I'm finding it very hard in this game to focus on more than 2 or 3 players!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++GALADRIEL55

Obviously.

But I'd be pretty happy if you decided to lynch Sally or Nilp. :p

The others I can easily picture as innocent. I know some whispers have been made about Lommy but I reckon she's innocent; saw some mumurings about Greenie today too but I'm sure that's nonsense. And that's funny because normally I'd pay for the privilege of voting for either of them!

Legate and Nogrod also seem fair to me, by virtue of their posts.

Mith and Bom - don't know, leaning toward innocent.

[Nogrod]

I see both Greenie and Sally have questioned my voting. so as I need to go to sleep a bit earlier I might try to elucidate them so as not to leave mis-interpreted talking-points on the surface.

I realised more or less immediately after submitting my vote on D1 that the choice of words "I see this has been decided" wasn't exactly the best one. But it was in a way conveying my stance there anyway. I had been suspecting Sally for some time for her quick defending herself while I hadn't even suspected her yet (etc. check the thread for details) but as the DL draw closer I got more and more involved with Lottie finding her increasingly suspicious.

But both "cases" were quite weak - as they tend to be on D1 - and thus I could have voted either of them. Seeing Lommy & Legate both voting Lottie I then thought it was going to be Lottie who faced the gallows and thought that it was okay by me as I did suspect her (and their votes saved me from choosing between the two as I didn't have a major case against Sally to argue that it should be definitively her and not Lottie).


On my vote on D2 I can only say that it was a gut reaction of someone realising he should have to go to bed like now and not in half an hour. Yes I had found Kitanna suspicious the whole Day - and I was wholly prepared to vote for her. And even now, knowing she was innocent I stand behind my suspicions from there: she looked suspicious for both what she did herself and what Lottie's posts implied. We now know those were wrong, but we (I) didn't yesterDay.

But the sudden bandwagon over her just felt soo wrong. It felt like something very sinister with the "easy votes" coming in and I had to just quit in a minute or two. So I made an impulsive decision to try and give you another candidate to vote (I had explained why I thought Mith to be suspicious) to end what looked like a beginning of a really easy bandwagon if Kit was after all innocent (which I doubted but still feared was possible). And you all know the result of that vote...


I do think that.I'm still waiting for the "like"-button like Facebook has for these smaller appreciations... :)


Okay. Time to think of voting now.


EDIT: X'd with Eomer X a few

[satansaloser2005]

What really gripped me though was G55's clinging onto you on Day One; and I totally understand that it would be frustrating for you, as an Ordo, to hear me and others keep banging on about it - but I'm sure you understand that it does look off.

Oh, no, I completely understand. You're wrong, mind you, but I can definitely see it. I don't mind that you're suspecting me, because you have a fairly logical case, even though I'm not actually guilty. Suspect away! Just vote for someone else. ;)


EDIT: x'd since the post I quoted, and you did. Heh. Shiny.

[Thinlómien]

And that's even more flipflopping on your part, Lommy.Nope, that's an honest change of opinion after getting more data. If I now decide Nilp is innocent after all, then you may call it flip-flopping (if you ask me, flip-flopping needs at least two changes of opinion and it's more like minor "then again maybe..." than actual change of opinion).

even if I think Mith is correct in that one facet of it she criticises you about. But her only pointing out that one thing - where she probably is right and you Lommy are notFair enough if she says she only bantered with Nilp once, I didn't count, I was only speaking about the impression I got. However if she only said it once then Nilp might have said something like that more times for me to get the picture (or at least I think that's likely!) and thus Mith's defense of her own actions doesn't disprove my point.

I should have known that my finding Nog innocent can't last long, and the above is pretty much what gave me second thoughts. He washes his hands of the Kit-wagon after suspecting her pretty much all Day, fuelling the bandwagon without being de facto a member of it. Really makes me raise my eyebrows.I like this: it's refreshing to get new povs on things.

Not sure what to make out of Nilp's frustration, except that it's not fun. :( Maybe I will refrain from analysing people's frustrations and stick to other stuff.

Let's now come back to square one, shall we? Nilp stays in the game, Mithalwen let's the bad feelings go and Lommy watches her tongue, right?Sounds like a plan. Although I will maybe refrain from speaking even half metaphorically or trying to phrase things in some other than the very basic manner because everybody seems to misunderstand it in this game in one way or another (starting from Kit not getting my stock market stuff)... :rolleyes: (clarification of smiley: mostly at self)

Erm, since when? No, I know, Lommie doesn't find me that guilty, and that's lovely, but the statement looks fishy to me. It was between me, whom she didn't even suspect, and only one other person? What about everyone else in the village? Just an observation, and possibly even a paranoid one. >.<You were the two people others were thinking of voting back then, I think...


edit: xed with Eomer's vote, Nog and Sally

[satansaloser2005]

You were the two people others were thinking of voting back then, I think...

Really? I thought you'd been saying for quite a while that my whole "I'm an ordo!" thing was a nod toward my innocence (or however you said it).

[Galadriel55]

I'm here, I'm here! I'm reading.

Thank you for the vote list, Sally. It's much easier that way than trying to piece tht together in your brain.

I don't know which of the following is the most odd:
- Lottie doing that?
- You thinking Lottie would do that?
- Me thinking you though Lottie doing that?


Lols. :D

@Nog: welcome to my newly-founded "Red-orange" category! Your votes are just so... weird. You've explained your Lottie-vote, but that doesn't change the fact that you only voted after it was clear that she will be going. And your Mith came almost-out-of-nowhere. You've suspected her in two posts before your vote, but not before that (IIRC. Please correct me if I'm wrong). That was after Kit appeared on many peopple's top-suspect lists. Before that, even during the same Day, you didn't really notice her. As Greenie (? was it her?) said, it was like washing your hands from the Kit-wagon. It looks a lot to me like you're just looking for a convenient person to cast suspicion on.

ToDay I've been paying more attention to Nilp's posts, and I've started getting a bad inkling about them (I believe I said so before in reply to Lommy a while ago, and I'll say it again). Eomer will be placed somewhere more or less definite when he posts about someone other than me.

Edit: xed with a bunch

[Galadriel55]

I'm inclined to follow Greenie's vote. If there's nothing evil about Nog, I'll be ready to join Kit and Sally's "Hat-and-Sock Eating Club".

;) :p

Edit: that was meant to be somewhat of an ETA to my last post

[Thinlómien]

Innocent
Nogrod - well I don't really like it how he, Legate and I seem to have a sort of "buddy club" atm, but he honestly seems very innocent to me at this point. Like I said yesterDay, he makes sense enough to make an innocent impression while not making sense enough to give an innocent impression (I have noticed that guilty Nogrod often makes too much sense. :p Meaning of course that he makes more the kind of arguments that are similar to other villagers' arguments and thus often more like my own thinking.)
Sally - declaration of innocence argument + toDay I've actually finally seen some more proof for thinking she's innocent: she seems to make solidly sense the way Sallywolves do less than Sallyinnocents. She gives me an honest feel.

Innocentish
Eomer - I keep flip-flopping on him and he's difficult to read etc etc but right now he seems pretty ok.
Legate - seems sensible and open in an innocent way (haha I think you probably can't be open in a wolvish way though! :D) mostly. I still haven't ruled out him being in process of pulling of the effortless legatish wolf-trick though.

No idea
Bom Tombadillo - to be blunt, I hope he either appears or stops voting and gets modfired, now he's too enigmatic.
G55 - to be honest, she's pretty much under my radar. I have to agree with Eomer that it's possible Lottie was her fellow, but I'm not sure how likely it is. For some reason, my brain seems to be on some off mode whenever reading her posts.
Greenie - under my radar. I like her points, but her votes have been a tad too easy to my taste (might of course just be that she always has to vote early but still). I would need to see something a bit more drastic from her one way or the other to judge her better, but unfortunately she's not a very drastic player.

Suspicious
Nilp - like I said, refraining from analysing frustration. All I have to say to that is: I hope you keep playing, whatever your role, because I enjoy playing with you and it happens more seldom than I'd prefer. :) I'm sorry if I said something offensive, that was not my intention. However, my suspicion based on the points I mentioned remains (although I have to admit Nilp's initial answer to my Lottie-Mith-Nilp theory made me a tiny bit less uspicious of him) - I think refraining suspicion would be a poor way to apologise even though I am sorry if I'm (part of) the reason why you consider leaving the game.
Mithalwen - see above for apologies and suspicion. My clear top suspect at the moment for possibly trying to save Lottie and having too much wolvish insights plus maybe for sounding like a cornered wolf.


edit: xed with all three posts

[Thinlómien]

Really? I thought you'd been saying for quite a while that my whole "I'm an ordo!" thing was a nod toward my innocence (or however you said it).Yes yes yes! Fourth misunderstanding? Can I eat my socks and hats out of mere frustration?! Dear Sallykinscakekidneyobsesser, I did not mean *I* considered voting you, I meant the lynch seemed to be a choice between you and Lottie and I obviously preferred Lottie to die because I thought her suspicious and you innocent. Get it now?

[satansaloser2005]

Yes yes yes! Fourth misunderstanding? Can I eat my socks and hats out of mere frustration?! Dear Sallykinscakekidneyobsesser, I did not mean *I* considered voting you, I meant the lynch seemed to be a choice between you and Lottie and I obviously preferred Lottie to die because I thought her suspicious and you innocent. Get it now?

Oh goodness yes. I'm sorry, dear. :eek:

[Nogrod]

@Nog: welcome to my newly-founded "Red-orange" category! Your votes are just so... weird. I hope you have now read my post concerning them and readjusted your categories... :rolleyes:

Okay then.

Now I feel like I'd have to readjust my suspicons as well. Nilp and Mith bother me to no end as their very personal reactions look pretty weird or at least oversensitive. Something in me says to drop it off with them and if they'd be wolves, then ignore their victory. The other voice tells me that don't I see that's just bluff...

If I'd have to vote for one of them it would be Mith as there is something to really suspect her on (her vote on D1 as the only saving vote for Lottie) unlike with Nilp where most of my suspcion rests on him being over-eager to support some people which as an act looks pretty lupine as the wolves need friends - and can't afford upsetting people by suspecting them (look at the number of retaliatory thoughts in this game fex.).

I can't see a good enough reason to vote for Lommy or Legate by now and even if Eomer gives me creeps I have nothing tangible against him either.

Bom most probably is an uninterested and uninformed ordo (see my earlier post on him for more clarification).

So Greenie? She really scares me now and I'm fighting against the urge to pay back for her ill-adviced suspicion on me which I think she made a way too easily - and am afraid is something the baddies thought they could do toDay. But I have nothing to back that but the bad feeling I get from her - and which I know I get from her more or less every game I play with her... :o

G55 then? The reason I tend to think her innocent is the way Lottie behaved on D1. Otherwise I'm torn with her. Sometimes she seems to be very well on track of what happens and on others she seems to make either totally odd or then totally sinister posts (opportunistic, suspecting with odd reasons those I think innocentish etc.). If there was not the "case Lottie" behind there I'd probably vote for her, but now I'm more or less insecure about it.

Then again I was wrong with a case based strongly on Lottie's behaviour yesterDay and I'd hate to be fooled by Lottie two Days in a row...

And Sally then? Oh well... I wouldn't be surprised that much if she turned out a wolf but she's not topping my list either. She's about everywhere but still nowhere on my map right now. I suspected her on D1 but I'm not that suspicious anymore. But then there's the nagging thought she changed her ways after seeing where it led her and now plays more carefully...

Phew... vote, vote, vote...


EDIT: If there's nothing evil about Nog, I'll be ready to join Kit and Sally's "Hat-and-Sock Eating Club".pick your seasoning ready as it will not taste good without some...

[Bom Tombadillo]

Too . . . confused . . . to think . . .

Seriously, I can't seem to get this game straight in my head. On the bright side, I'm apparently "enigmatic!" :D Which is good. I hope.

Anyway, the only two that strike me as guilty are the same two who (unless I missed someone/thing) have the only votes from anybody else today: Galadriel55 and Nogrod. I keep thinking that Noggie's abandoning of the Kit-wagon was him recognizing that an innocent was already going to die, so he might as well stay far away from it to avoid looking guilty.

EDIT: Er, on the other hand, he voted for Lottie, which I (somehow) managed to miss. Soooooo . . . bah. Confused again.

[Nogrod]

Soooooo . . . bah. Confused again.Welcome to the Game Bom! :)

[Galadriel55]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

On the bright side, I'm apparently "enigmatic!" :D Which is good. I hope.

I don't exactly think so. Goes both ways, doesn't it?

Anyways, I hope you post a little more toDay. Please? :Merisu:

I'm forced to vote early again (in less than 20 minutes) and for now my vote-candidate is Nog.

[Nogrod]

Where is everybody???

Time to sleep as the alarm is on 5½ hours.


++ Mithalwen

I just can't see how the other wolves would have left Lottie to die that alone, and as I doubt Lommy or Legate are wolves (this is no guaranteed innocent-pass, but at the moment I have no reason to suspect them for sacrifying their mate either + they generally make a lot of sense) it looks clear the only one trying to do something about the situation was Mith.

Interestingly enough that would mean the last wolf would be someone who vote earlier (Eomer or Greenie) or then Nilp... or Sally, or...


EDIT: x'd with G55

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Back again on the fly...

Well, this doesn't. I mean, if you think Mith and Bom are the remaining wolves, why vote for Eomer? Especially seeing as I believe Mith had as many votes at that point as Eomer did.
No, it's clear, the latter comment was more like the sudden hunch, if you know what I mean. As if I suddenly said 'now as I am writing this I get this creepy feeling that X and Y are actually...' but my main suspect still remains with the previous person, whom I suspect based on much more evidence than the latter two, about whom just something fresh new occured to me.

Come on, wolves, what did Nerwen ever do to you? :(
Ugh, I don't like this one. Only the WWs know, of course, if she had ever done anything to them - and maybe she did? Maybe you know she did? Whatever.

We know she was an innocent, so I'll not bother to comment on this much, except to say that I'm going to eat a sock when I get home tonight.
I want you to take a picture of that, if you didn't do that already!!!

But the sudden bandwagon over her just felt soo wrong. It felt like something very sinister with the "easy votes" coming in and I had to just quit in a minute or two. So I made an impulsive decision to try and give you another candidate to vote (I had explained why I thought Mith to be suspicious) to end what looked like a beginning of a really easy bandwagon if Kit was after all innocent (which I doubted but still feared was possible). And you all know the result of that vote...
This of course is what I expected more people to think, although of course I could also understand (like somebody had said here before) a Wolf (probably just one) staying out of the wagon and saying 'Oh woe, don't ye people see the wrongness of your doing?' But no, this time it actually does not seem like that to me, and not even in Nog's case.

Now I feel like I'd have to readjust my suspicons as well. Nilp and Mith bother me to no end as their very personal reactions look pretty weird or at least oversensitive. Something in me says to drop it off with them and if they'd be wolves, then ignore their victory. The other voice tells me that don't I see that's just bluff...
I am not going to comment on any of these things, since I just think personal feelings should be kept out of WW. I believe since the modly interventions several years ago (when I haven't been playing yet, but I got the picture that it was necessary back then) it was clear and is clear to everyone that nobody should offend anyone personally in WW. Ergo, I assume nobody is doing that, and if I get such a feeling, I ignore it because I know that everybody of course is sensible and does not want to offend me so it's probably just how it seems to me, and anyway, it has no real meaning for the game. If somebody is offended, then that's of course bad, but then again, most often it's just misunderstanding. If somebody was tricking people with seeming offended, then I would call it unfair practice, but once again, since I believe us to be fair people ('fair play' even from the baddies and all), then I don't assume anybody would be doing that.

Therefore, back to the game, my opinions on people didn't really change much since my last post, and my suspects remain on the similar level as before. I might consider voting Mith or Eomer most likely, others in my orange zone possibly. Now on to see if I x-posted with anyone and then maybe something more, or I will let Lommy use the computer again, since we're sharing it now.

EDIT: x-ed with reappearing Bom! and others after it...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Too . . . confused . . . to think . . .

Seriously, I can't seem to get this game straight in my head. On the bright side, I'm apparently "enigmatic!" :D Which is good. I hope.

Anyway, the only two that strike me as guilty are the same two who (unless I missed someone/thing) have the only votes from anybody else today: Galadriel55 and Nogrod. I keep thinking that Noggie's abandoning of the Kit-wagon was him recognizing that an innocent was already going to die, so he might as well stay far away from it to avoid looking guilty.

Well, nice to see you... although it would've been nicer to see a bit more from you... there have been questions like how much did you read of the thread when you were posting yesterDay...

Together with the Kit-controversy ('oh, it's a throwaway, except for that everybody else wants to vote her too') yesterDay now toDay saying 'I suspect only those who already have votes' sounds, well, rather bad.

I mean, if Bom is a Wolf who always comes once per Day, votes for whomever seems that they might be lynched, and leaves, then that's what I don't call a good way to do it. Just saying. Seriously, Bom, if you are innocent (but actually even if you are not), it would be nice to have some more input from you, if it is only a tiny little bit possible.

[Nogrod]

for now my vote-candidate is Nog.Do you read everything or do you just pick some posts to read G55? If you do read everything I'd like to hear what do you think is suspicious in my post explaining my votes a few posts ago? Just make your case and do not just follow those who voted/ suspected before they were answered.

At least do it before you vote so that the posterity can then catch you on that.


Or let's make a more accurate question: which evidence you think counts or what kind of data is important? Let us have your take on the relative merits of different issues (using certain kinds of words, voting in certain way, being backed up by someone, reacting in a way X or Y to something, having a seeming relation to someone, being suggested guilty / innocent by X or Y...). Let us hear you.

Do not let yourself too easy with this. It's much more fun if you give it some real effort.


Good night and good luck!

[satansaloser2005]

Ugh, I don't like this one. Only the WWs know, of course, if she had ever done anything to them - and maybe she did? Maybe you know she did? Whatever.

That's actually what I meant (the bolded part); I'm not assuming she did do anything to them. I was just sad that she died and was whining at the wolves for killing her. (I just wanted to clarify since it appears you didn't understand my meaning.)



I'm really thinking I'll be voting Mith toDay. Just for anyone who's interested.


Edit: x'd since the post I quoted. I also cleaned up my sentence a bit.

[Thinlómien]

Oh goodness yes. I'm sorry, dear. :eek:No problem. Didn't mean to flip out on you, if that was it came across as! Now let's continue playing as if nothing happened. ;)

Bom, could you explain why you thought a vote for Kitanna is a throwaway vote?

++Mithalwen

I think I've made it pretty clear already why I suspect her. You can almost add me to the sock-eating club if she's innocent... (Although didn't I join already? :D)

Anyway, good night, I have to wake up early-ish tomorrow too...

[satansaloser2005]

No problem. Didn't mean to flip out on you, if that was it came across as!

Oh, no, no, no. I just realized that was what you meant and felt a bit silly. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's actually what I meant (the bolded part); I'm not assuming she did do anything to them. I was just sad that she died and was whining at the wolves for killing her. (I just wanted to clarify since it appears you didn't understand my meaning.)

Yes, I understood as much too, but at the same point was just wondering whether there might not be other stuff behind you saying that.

Whatever. I think I feel my brain is slowly shutting off and I have an early-ish waking up tomorrow too, so I will just vote now. I think it seems like several people want to vote Mith, I think that in that case I might choose her out of my options. It will also, in any case, clear some stuff. But generally there is all I have said previously - the avoidant posting, especially on the first Days, which basically kept her out of conflict, with a few rather unrelated remarks here and there, likewise the voting, especially yesterDay (with the rather consistent, but quite throwaway vote). Slipping under the radar too much, yes.

Other words, or a sort of toDay's legacy on my part - what I said above (in my previous post) about Bom; although if he's a Wolf and if he does not really participate so much, then...

See if I crossposted with something and then vote...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay.

++Mithalwen

Good Night, folks.

[Bom Tombadillo]

To those who are questioning my vote yesterday: I knew some people were suspicious of Kitanna, but I honestly did not know that that many people were planning on voting for her. Also, I was desperate (as I've said, I was under the mistaken impression that I had to vote right now).

Anyway,

++Nogrod

I don't know, I'm just generally suspicious of him, moreso than I am of anybody else.

[Galadriel55]

Do you read everything or do you just pick some posts to read G55? If you do read everything I'd like to hear what do you think is suspicious in my post explaining my votes a few posts ago? Just make your case and do not just follow those who voted/ suspected before they were answered.

I've read everything, don't worry.

My reaction to yor vote-explaining post was "of course he would say that."

You want more evidence?

I said some things in my analysis (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657764&postcount=239), although that is kind of outdated. In my conclusion (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657766&postcount=241)I said that your posts give me good vibes, but now that is changed.

Your Lottie-vote didn't change anything at all. If you are her packmate, your vote would make you look innocent. As I said before, you only started pressing her and "noticing" queer things about her after Shasta got the stone rolling towards her. You answered some things here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=657771&postcount=246), but the Lottie-vote-excuse is still shoddy.

Then your vote for Mith - came, as I said, almost out of nowhere. I'm not speaking about Mith now and whatever faulty and questionable things she's said; I'm just analysing your vote. You've voiced suspicion for her twice just before voting, but never before. Were there just way too many people having Kit on their suspect list for you to care about her being lynched? And you would look better for your eleventh jour change of heart.

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

As soon as there are people voting Kit, you're out of it, though she has been one of your top suspects.

Your first post toDay (340):

Way to go Lommy! I suspected Mith already yesterDay mainly because of the way she could be seen trying to help Lottie (while no one else did - and there are still two of her mates around!) and I have also felt a bit uneasy with some of her wolf's POV speculations, not that that couldn't or shouldn't be done, but they have been kind of "detailed" one wouldn't expect from an ordo.

In other words, "thank you Lommy for giving me another good reason to back up my vote".

And there's your change of heart about me after I voiced my suspicion. I recall you thought me an innocent. Now you suspect both me and Greenie (though she has been on your ist longer than I). Why? For not liking the way you post?

Moreover, your post that I quoted above is just too passionate. However feeble this reason is, it's weighing the scale down.


And speaking of Mith: she has posted very little of content toDay, but a lot of high emotions. Makes me wonder. But I think her reasoning is very valid.


This took me waaaaay too long. I'm late!!

++Nog

I'm eating socks and hats tomorrow if he's innocent. Deal?

Edit: xed since the post I quoted

[Mithalwen]

++Nogrod

I stand by what I said. Was seriously tempted to self vote to escape but I have a duty to stay alive. Haven't pulled out of a game yet but really.

[satansaloser2005]

Am I going to be the last one to vote again?

++Mith

....Or not? *waits*


Edit: x'd with Miss Mithalwen herself

[Inziladun]

DL. Stop.

[Inziladun]

Mithalwen is lynched. Stand by.

[Inziladun]

During this day, accusations had been flying, and tempers among the castaways seemed to be getting frayed. Almost the votes were settled against Nogrod, but in the end the decision was that Mithalwen would be the one lynched.

As she was led to the unfortunately now-familiar makeshift gallows, Mithalwen held her head high, walking in stiff silence. Some of the onlookers wondered, hoping they had not made the same mistake as with Kitanna, that they were executing an innocent.

At the decisive moment, the group held its collective breath. As the body grew limp, a grey mist once again emerged, shimmering in the light of the dying Sun. It seemed the spirit beings, whatever their nature, could not stand sunlight without a body to house them.

The mist coalesced into a threatening figure, looming over them, then it dissolved to nothingness. With relief, the mariners got ready to face another night, with the knowledge they had only to find one more of the evil among them

The Living:

Bom Tombadillo
Nogrod
G55
Sally
Eomer
Greenie
Lommy
Nilp
Legate


The Dead:

Inziladun: (Mod) (killed by the baddies Night 1)
Loslote: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 1)
Shasta: Ordo (murdered by the evil ones Night 2)
Kitanna: Ordo (lynched Day 2)
Nerwen: Ranger (knocked over a cliff by baddies Night 3)
Mithalwen: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 3)

IT IS NIGHT 4

Seer and remaining spirit send your pick.

[Inziladun]

Nogrod awoke in the night with a powerful thirst. He reached for his water skin, to find only a few drops in it. He silently cursed himself for not remembering to fill it before dark. Now, he would have to make the walk to the stream nearby.

He did not relish the thought of going alone, but remembering that only one of the evil killers was now left to trouble them, he thought he would be safe enough, as long as he was wary.

As he made his way to the stream, he found a stout dead tree-branch that could serve well as a club, and carried it with him. He entered the woods, which seemed filled with sly, secret sounds. Some of the sounds could have been footsteps, and his grip on the makeshift club tightened.

He reached the stream. Glancing about him, straining his senses, he filled the skin. Straightening again, he turned to go. Just then a weight smote him from above, knocking him to the ground, and a tightening band was around his throat, cutting off his air. The fiend had hidden in a tree! Though he struggled, his attacker was relentless, and darkness came over him.

************************************************** **************************************************

The body was found the next morning, next to the stream, and taken to the beach.

As the ragged crew contemplated this fresh horror, Nilpaurion Felagund gave a cry, pointing out to sea. As the others looked, they saw a white shape floating upon the waves about a furlong away. It looked like one of the spare sails the ship had carried. It would be a crucial component of any craft they could fashion themselves, but it did not seem to be approaching the coast; rather, the reverse. Before anyone could stop him, Nilp jumped into the water and began swimming toward the sail. The rest shouted at him to return, that the currents were too dangerous, but he did not heed them. He was a strong swimmer, and quickly neared the sail. Before he could gain a grip on it though, he was pulled away from it, out to sea. He was caught in a rip current! Legate quickly jumped in the ocean and swam toward him, with the despairing wails of the others in his ears. Nilp had disappeared. Legate reached the place where he was last seen, then he too was caught in the current. Those on the beach held onto one another, to prevent any more rescue attempts. Soon Legate too was gone, and the sail swept by out of reach, as if to mock them.


The Living:

Bom Tombadillo
G55
Sally
Eomer
Greenie
Lommy


The Dead:

Inziladun: (Mod) (killed by the baddies Night 1)
Loslote: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 1)
Shasta: Ordo (murdered by the evil ones Night 2)
Kitanna: Ordo (lynched Day 2)
Nerwen: Ranger (knocked over a cliff by baddies Night 3)
Mithalwen: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 3)
Nogrod: Ordo (caught off guard and killed Night 4)
Nilp: Ordo (tragically lost trying to help his companions Day 4)
Legate: Ordo (drowned trying to save Nilp Day 4)

IT IS DAY 4

[Bom Tombadillo]

Okay, so Nogrod's dead. After thinking about it through the Night, I totally expected that - the baddies probably thought he was the seer after his consistent voting of wolves. Also means I was apparently wrong in voting for him. Galadriel55 is looking newly suspicious to me, as the other person to vote him.

[satansaloser2005]

So no one else saw that coming? Silly children. ;)


The last wolf is either Galadriel or Eomer. Shall we flip a coin, or does anyone habe any better ideas?



(It took me almost ten minutes to load this page. I probably won't be back much.)

[Bom Tombadillo]

I can see Galadriel55 - I'm planning on voting for her myself - but could somebody kindly explain the case against Eomer? Have I missed something terribly suspicious in the posts I've skimmed over and promptly forgotten?

[satansaloser2005]

No more posts? Seriously? >.<



Bom: It's more process of elimination right now. I can't make a case due to lack of time, but considering that I've "cleared" most of the other people and I haven't yet seen him prove his innocence, I'd say he's a top suspect for me. Who else do you suspect besides Galadriel, and why?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Haven't you figured it out yet? :p

[A Little Green]

Am I right in assuming that this is the quietest Day ever? :( As I said on the Admin Thread, Lommy won't be around at all toDay. I'll do my best, but as I'm supposed to be spending the day packing everything I own I fear my ww time will be a bit limited again..

[A Little Green]

DAY 1 VOTES
(Living players bolded, dead wolves in italics, dead innocents plain. For the living players' votes there is a quote from the said person, from the vote post or an earlier one.)

Greenie – Bom
(”planning to vote Sally because of her "death wish" strikes me as an idea that benefits the baddies more than us.”)

Kit – Sally

Eomer – Gal
(”too much defending of Sally, too much attacking Bom and a weird interpretation of Kitanna.”)

Shasta – Lottie
Mith – Sally (2)
Legate – Lottie (2)

Lommy – Lottie (3)
(”Sorry m'dear but you're more suspicious than Sally...”, preceded by ”Mmh. Tempted to follow Shasta's lead. He definitely didn't make Lottie sound too good.” and before that, ”I'm the most suspicious about Eomer and Lottie atm, but it's mostly just gut-feeling.”)

Gal – Lommy
(”Lommy's posts are somewhat fishy - she has no opinions well into the Day, and decides to vote for Lottie as soon as Shasta casts suspicion on her, but then decides against it.”)

Nog – Lottie (4)
Nilp – Nilp

Sally – Gal (2)
(”Galadriel is actually scarily supportive of me. No, I don't think I'll be voting her toDay, as I still suspect Kit, but it's a bit....no, a lot....suspicious that Galadriel is backing me so strongly.” The quote is from rather early in the Day, but the only one stating clearly her suspicion of Gal.)


So Lottie 4, Gal 2, Sally 2, Bom 1, Lommy 1, Nilp 1.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Nobody else post until the last minute, and we can set a record! Bwahahahaha!

Sally: Um. Everybody who really stood out is dead by now, except G55 and, er, you. And of those two, Galadriel is the more suspicious.

EDIT: x'ed with A Little Green's vote-tally. Any particular reason for that? There have already been several of those done, I believe . . . a wolf trying to look busy without saying anything incriminating?

[satansaloser2005]

Nobody else post until the last minute, and we can set a record! Bwahahahaha!

Sally: Um. Everybody who really stood out is dead by now, except G55 and, er, you. And of those two, Galadriel is the more suspicious.

I should bloody well hope so. After all, if I hadn't voted, Mith would still be alive and Noggins would have been lynched.

So you're not even going to look at anyone else? :(


And Greenie, yeah, most likely. I know I'm not technically here and two others in our group are unavailable. That's why we need to decide who to vote, because there are so few of us.

[A Little Green]

DAY 2 VOTES

Eomer – Gal
(”Was suspicious of her yesterday, and she looks more suspicious with every post. ”)

Greenie – Eomer
(”I needed to go to sleep and had no idea who I'd vote, so I chose to go without explanation for someone I was vaguely uneasy about - fishing for reactions while if he was in fact lynched we would not be lynching anyone I believed innocent.”)

Mith – Sally

Bom – Kitanna
(”Anyway, throwaway vote.”)

Gal – Kitanna (2)
("Suspicions of Kit go up. She suspected quite a few of my posts in her ananysis basically repeating the general attitude only after everybody else said pretty much the same thing.")

Nog – Mith
Legate – Eomer (2)

Lommy – Kitanna (3)
(”Rather her than Eomer.”)

Nilp – Kitanna (4)
Nerwen – Kitanna (5)

Sally – Kitanna (6)
(She's been at Kit's throat for so long that I couldn't find a single quote from Day 2 where she actually states her case against her! Hence, the following quites are from Day 1: ”But she's suspecting Bom for suspecting me, then suspecting me herself.” ”The thing that bothers me about Kit is that she flip flops on me, first calling my post rather innocent and then (in her most recent post) saying that I'm likely guilty because of how I'm handling myself.”)


So Kitanna 6, Eomer 2, Gal 1, Sally 1, Mith 1.

[A Little Green]

Any particular reason for that? There have already been several of those done, I believe . . . a wolf trying to look busy without saying anything incriminating?Call me that if you like, but I'm not posting them because I think we need vote tallies from Day 1 - we don't, and I don't think the votes alone tell us much. But I do find it helpful to know not only who the six (!!!) of us voted but especially why and in what context, and those two are what I'm trying to provide. Also, yay for the two of you being here!

[A Little Green]

DAY 3 VOTES

Greenie – Nog
(”He washes his hands of the Kit-wagon after suspecting her pretty much all Day, fuelling the bandwagon without being de facto a member of it.”)

Eomer – Gal
(”Obviously.”)

Nog – Mith

Lommy – Mith (2)
(”My clear top suspect at the moment for possibly trying to save Lottie and having too much wolvish insights plus maybe for sounding like a cornered wolf.”)

Legate – Mith (3)

Bom – Nog (2)
(”I don't know, I'm just generally suspicious of him, moreso than I am of anybody else.”)

Gal – Nog (3)
(”As soon as there are people voting Kit, you're out of it, though she has been one of your top suspects.” ”And there's your change of heart about me after I voiced my suspicion.” ”Moreover, your post that I quoted above is just too passionate.”)

Mith – Nog (4)

Sally – Mith (4)
(”Same vote for no reasons. She didn't even try to come up with another candidate. I know she's not the seer, because she'd be all over someone else if she was, so my best guess is that she's a wolf who realizes that I'm (as always) easy enough to get rid of, and she's going to take that opportunity.”)

[A Little Green]

Conclusions?

If Lommy is a wolf she is a ruthless mastermind and deserves to win. I have a hard time seeing a Lommywolf throwing two fellows under the bus - and certainly her exchanges with Mith yesterDay were very far from wolf-on-wolf. Very innocent, I'd say.

Sally was consistently voted for by Mithwolf which could, I suppose, still be wolf-on-wolf - but she was also the one who gave Mith the decisive last vote that got her killed. She'd have been a fool to do that if they were wolves together.

Bom's votes are harder to read because of how little actual arguments he has to back them. I hope I'm right when I assume that no wolf would be that uninvolved.

Gal, like others have pointed out before me, is an unlikely wolf because she was the only one Lottiewolf considered voting. Her own votes could go either way - maybe even leaning fishy.

Finally, Eomer has voted for Gal three Days in a row. Yes, consistence is fine, but it's also really safe for a wolf. By method of elimination, I'd say Eomer is the likeliest wolf.

I'm inclined to try Eomer toDay. I won't eat a sock if the last wolf is Bom or Gal. I will if it's Sally or Lommy.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The game is over. G55 is the last wolf. We lynch her and we win.

++GALADRIEL55

I think she knows I'm the seer but she couldn't kill me at night because that would obviously reveal all and end the game. I've known the game was over since Mith died.

Sorry for saying this only now and having you waste your time today, Greenie, but I thought it would be nice to extend the game a bit longer. ;)

[A Little Green]

I think she knows I'm the seer but she couldn't kill me at night because that would obviously reveal all and end the game. I've known the game was over since Mith died.Ah. That makes sense. I can see no profit in your lying now since it's so easy to verify if you're right or not.
Sorry for saying this only now and having you waste your time today, Greenie, but I thought it would be nice to extend the game a bit longer.Haha, it's all right, I welcomed the distraction from RL stuff! :) Also, without further ado,

++ Galadriel

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Didn't you think it was funny how I didn't find you or Lommy suspicious? There had to be a reason. :p

[satansaloser2005]

There's my brave sir. <3

++Galadriel



Honestly, I thought it was Nog for the longest time (the seer, that is). Good show, my lad!




I won't be back toDay, by the way. I'll see you in two RL days or so. Go good! :D

[Inziladun]

DL. G55 is lynched.

[Inziladun]

The muder of Nogrod and the loss of two other innocent crew made the survivors more determined than ever to rid themselves of the menace among their number. There was little talk, though. All seemed to be busy with their own thoughts. Then, Eomer made a bold declaration.

He told them that he had been having visions since they had arrived, visions of them. It had been given to him to see into their hearts, and he was now certain who the last of the three killers was : Galadriel55. The majority believed him, and they began to lead her toward the tree. She made no sound, or would even look at them, and they wondered.
As Greenie started to place the noose around Galadriel55's neck, the condemned suddenly looked straight at Eomer. Her eyes blazing, she ran at him with hands made into claws.

Without thought, he held up the green gem, which he had been holding in his pocket. It shone with an inner fire. Galadriel55 recoiled from it, and words untaught came to Eomer's lips.

"Go hence, thou thrall of Morgoth. You are cast from this place!"

Shrieking, Galadriel55 fell back, over the brink of the cliff down to the rocky surf below.

Immediately a peace fell upon the survivors. Eomer looked at the stone which had, in the end, saved them. It glowed no longer, and he sensed that whatever virtue it had possessed was now gone. Yet he thought to keep it still.

The ragged remnants of a doomed expedition from Númenor knew their survival was not assured, but at least they would do what they could to endure, and they could at least sleep easier in the night, and devote their energies to escaping that haunted island.

THE END

The Living:

Bom Tombadillo: Ordo
Sally: Ordo
Eomer: Seer
Greenie: Ordo
Lommy: Ordo


The Dead:

Inziladun: (Mod) (killed by the baddies Night 1)
Loslote: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 1)
Shasta: Ordo (murdered by the evil ones Night 2)
Kitanna: Ordo (lynched Day 2)
Nerwen: Ranger (knocked over a cliff by baddies Night 3)
Mithalwen: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 3)
Nogrod: Ordo (caught off guard and killed Night 4)
Nilp: Ordo (tragically lost trying to help his companions Day 4)
Legate: Ordo (drowned trying to save Nilp Day 4)
G55: Evil Spirit (lynched Day 4)

Innocents win.

Spirits (wolves) lose.

Thanks for playing, everyone. I had great fun watching, and I hope you had fun participating.

A valiant effort from the baddies, who were behind from Day 1, against a most formidable village.

Its open for discussion!

[Kitanna]

I have a hat to eat...

[Inziladun]

I have a hat to eat...

You and some others, maybe? :D

[Bom Tombadillo]

Wow. I was going to get on and tell the Seer to reveal, but I forgot about it (again) . . . fortunately, apparently Eomer worked it out too.

I'm honestly amazed I didn't manage to get myself lynched, though. Was I just too quiet?

[Inziladun]

Actually, Bom, I think you only got one vote in the entire game, and that on Day 1.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Exactly - and it seemed to me like I was acting so suspicious.

[Loslote]

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet.

This. She said it even better than I could! :eek:


Also, bad luck wolves - but at least I was happy when you guys got the Ranger. :D:p

[Inziladun]

The two games I've modded have had three notable similarities.

1. The village won both times.
2. Each game had a Fenris.
3. Shasta got killed on Night 2. :rolleyes: ;)

[Lhunardawen]

Wow. That was...fast.

Good job, Eomer! I figured you couldn't be merely obsessed voting for G55 three Days in a row, but it didn't occur to me you could be the Seer.

I'm sorry they caught you, Mummie Mith. They're good. (Understatement right there.)

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet. Ooh, ooh! Sally we did this once, remember? :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

2. Each game had a Fenris.
3. Shasta got killed on Night 2.

Couldn't be related, nah. :rolleyes:

Congrats to the village! It's perhaps good I died when I did, as I thought Nogrod was extremely suspicious going into Day 2 and had planned a case against him (sorry, Nog!). :p

[Kitanna]

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'

A fun game, but this very much echoed my thoughts on Day 2 and beyond.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Congratulations village and hard luck wolves. :)

I'm hardly always right when I get fixated on one villager but I was very pleased to find out (on Night 3) that I was indeed chasing the right target!

[Boromir88]

Followed along with this game towards the end, good stuff.

Poor Lottie, this time the psychic gets you! :D

And marvelous seering Eomer ;)

[Nogrod]

That was one of the coolest villages I have seen! Even if innocents were vanishig left and right (or unable to post) we lynched only one innocent! :cool:

Sorry about that wolves, but we really did some good work... :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And thanks to Inzil for some good modding; just a shame we couldn't see the new role in action!

[Nerwen]

And thanks to Inzil for some good modding; just a shame we couldn't see the new role in action!

I'll say.:(

[Inziladun]

And thanks to Inzil for some good modding; just a shame we couldn't see the new role in action!

You're welcome!

I had such a good scene mapped out for a duel wolf / Ranger death too. ;)

[Kitanna]

we lynched only one innocent! :cool:
ONLY one...:rolleyes:
/bitter and angry

I had such a good scene mapped out for a duel wolf / Ranger death too.
I was really looking forward to seeing that, but I knew in my heart of hearts the likelihood of that was pretty slim. And then of course it doesn't help that the rnager couldn't protect herself.

[Galadriel55]

Ha!

I'm back from my trip - almost a day later than I expected - and what do I see? THE VILLAGE WON!!! :D

Nice work, innocents!

I shall now flood the thread with my after-game comments. :p

[Galadriel55]

That was one of the coolest villages I have seen! Even if innocents were vanishig left and right (or unable to post) we lynched only one innocent!

Sorry about that wolves, but we really did some good work...

Well... we fought valiantly...

;-)



~*~


First and foremost, <3 Zil for the wonderful game! It was a great way to start playing WW!

<3 Mith for being my fellow pack mate, and for listening to my ramblings every Night. Also, for saying this in one PM: “you are far better than me at this you clever things”. Love you back! ^.^ Also, D3: you’re tied with Nog, and you were the last to be voted. I’m sitting at my computer and freaking out. I’m thinking “NOOOO!!!! Not Mith! Why didn’t you wait just one more minute, then you would have lived for at least another Day!!! What am I going to do without you? Plus, I know Eomer is the Seer, and I really need to tell that to someone. Don’t leave me!!! If you’re lynched I’m going to be all alone! And there’s still Nilp’s vote. He’ll save you…” Then I see Zil’s post that the Day is over and that you are lynched. Me: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ” :(

<3 Lottie for being my dear fenrissed pack mate. Building all the controversy around me was a brilliant thing to do! (At the end of D1 I was thinking – what was Lottie doing? I’ll be next, because she emphasized how she didn’t want to vote me for no real reason!)

<3 Nilp for being the only person I said the complete truth about: your posts indeed slipped past my brain without leaving any recollection. On D2 I said that you didn’t post anything of content because your summaries and analyses didn’t register in my head! Also, for your analysis of my on D2 – you basically said “I see some fur growing here, and some over there… but she’s just a confused innocent”.

<3 Shasta whom I thought to be the Seer on N1. There was some suspicion of Lottie, but nothing really fatal. And then I saw your Lottie-lysis come out of nowhere – you didn’t even comment on her before that! I’m sorry to have murdered you on N1, but WW is WW.

<3 Lommy for being the most random D1 vote ever. I was trying fruitlessly to get attention away from Lottie. Also, for being impressed with my playing style. You don’t have to hit yourself after this: “Rather [Kit] than Eomer. (If she's innocent and he is not I'm going to hit somebody for making this statement, possibly myself.)”, because Eomer was also innocent.

<3 Legate for saying this: “Of the people, if I should name some who are standing out, Gal looks quite, well, reasonable. All her posts this far I like. Of course, she might be just a very well-polished Wolf.” And this: “Although of course, being thrown into your first game as a Wolf might force you to sharpen your skills to the most (I could talk - I had such an experience in my first game), so that might be what stands behind her surprisingly good reasoning this far... but then maybe it is also just stalking WW threads for too long (as I believe she had been doing)...” Now how could I possibly say that you’re evil after this? :Merisu: However, after you called me a “lazy wolf” on D3 I felt like killing you the next Night… :P (I seriously did, but for entirely different reasons.)

<3 Sally for letting me be “scarily supportive” of her. I can finally answer your question-statement: “if she's a wolf, it would a good (?) idea for her to try to establish a connection with me.” Maybe not very good for myself, but good for pack mates in the case that I get lynched.

<3 Knight Eomer for choosing right and seeing true and voting the Wolf55 since D1 (even though I will remember that next time we both play! XD). I’ve known you were the Seer since D3: you were a bit obvious then. Also, for making me think this the Night after: “God damn it! Now he doesn’t even need to dream!” :/ :d

<3 Kit for being the harassed victim of the D2 wagon. Sorry about your hat. ^.^

<3 Bom for providing us basis not only for D1, but for the entire game. Your absolutely innocent joke-post ultimately caused the death of many innocents. Just so you know.

<3 Greenie for always being so innocently reasonable that no matter how I turned it I couldn’t make you look evil.

<3 Nog for making me eat hats and socks after I pushed a Noggiewagon on D3. (Of course I knew what I’m doing! You have to sacrifice *something* if you want to win as a wolf. In my case, it was just a hat and a pair of socks :P).

<3 Nerwen for being the second person we wolves suspected of Seeing (you were actually Mith’s idea, so I give her the credit). I can now answer your question: “how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?” Very likely. In fact, it’s a fact. ;) By the way, it would be interesting to know who you protected.

Thank you for a great game, everyone!

PS: you know, it was quite a feeling reading Zil’s narrations and thinking “that was me…” :d

[Loslote]

<3 Lottie for being my dear fenrissed pack mate. Building all the controversy around me was a brilliant thing to do! (At the end of D1 I was thinking – what was Lottie doing? I’ll be next, because she emphasized how she didn’t want to vote me for no real reason!)

You know, in hindsight, I probably should have warned you, but you handled it well anyway. Actually, for a wolf-cub, you did very, very well! :D

[Galadriel55]

You know, in hindsight, I probably should have warned you, but you handled it well anyway. Actually, for a wolf-cub, you did very, very well!

Thank you! :Merisu: I'm not sure how well I handled it - I think I just didn't respond to any comments regarding your wolf-on-wolf-ishness.

I think next game that I play in I should be a cobbler! :D :p

[Nerwen]

<3 Nerwen for being the second person we wolves suspected of Seeing (you were actually Mith’s idea, so I give her the credit). I can now answer your question: “how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?” Very likely. In fact, it’s a fact. By the way, it would be interesting to know who you protected.
On Night 2, much to my chagrin, I protected you, on the basis that if you and Sally were both innocent, your defence of her would look Seer-ish. What really annoys me is that this was a last minute switch– from Shasta! (Yes, the weird Ranger-rules missed coming into play on Night One by that much!). On Night 3 I protected Legate.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

On Night 2, much to my chagrin, I protected you, on the basis that if you and Sally were both innocent, your defence of her would look Seer-ish. What really annoys me is that this was a last minute switch– from Shasta! (Yes, the weird Ranger-rules missed coming into play on Night One by that much!). On Night 3 I protected Legate.

Well, it's good to know my dear one thought about me, at any rate. :rolleyes: :p

[Mithalwen]

Well... we fought valiantly...


<3 Mith for being my fellow pack mate, and for listening to my ramblings every Night. Also, for saying this in one PM: “you are far better than me at this you clever things”. Love you back! ^.^ Also, D3: you’re tied with Nog, and you were the last to be voted. I’m sitting at my computer and freaking out. I’m thinking “NOOOO!!!! Not Mith! Why didn’t you wait just one more minute, then you would have lived for at least another Day!!! What am I going to do without you? Plus, I know Eomer is the Seer, and I really need to tell that to someone. Don’t leave me!!! If you’re lynched I’m going to be all alone! And there’s still Nilp’s vote. He’ll save you…” Then I see Zil’s post that the Day is over and that you are lynched. Me: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ” :(


Galadriel, I was so unhappy at that point I really did nearly vote for myself but as I said I had a duty to you to say alive. Ironically I hadn't looked at the what happens in event of a tie but I thought Sally would miss the vote again. I held off as long as I could but the clocks must ahve been out of whack. I was sure Eomer was the Seer and had I been you I would probably have killed him anyway. Most disconcertingly for me he always suspects me strongly the games when I am not a wolf and this time he left me alone. I am sorry in a way the Ranger thing didn't happen. It was an interesting idea Zil. And it isn't your fault but I am certainly going to follow Nilp's example and remember how this was if I am ever tempted to play again,

[Thinlómien]

Thanks for the game, Zil, and of course all my fellow players too. :) I'm glad you managed Day4 without me too. ;) Hats off Eomer, that was pretty! Have to agree with Nogrod that the village did very well in this won - the wolves played well too, but this time the village played better. Village victories make me happy.

[Galadriel55]

I was sure Eomer was the Seer and had I been you I would probably have killed him anyway.

I was sure about Eomer as well - but I'd never kill a Seer who voted me three times in a row!

Tough luck, Nerwen! :( To tell you the truth, I realised too late on N2 that Shasta was such an obvious target that he's most likely protected, and we needed to avoid the Ranger at all costs. I was sitting on needles since I sent the name in and until the narration.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I suppose you had to just hope I wasn't the seer, because killing me would surely have implicated you. Although you never quite know with villagers.

[Galadriel55]

I suppose you had to just hope I wasn't the seer, because killing me would surely have implicated you. Although you never quite know with villagers.

How could I hope that you weren't the Seer when I knew that you were one? I was waiting for that reveal on D4.

~~~

Well, for anyone interested, this is what has been going on at Night...

***DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO DIE OF BOREDOM***

The first WW-related PM was Zil’s one about the roles. I was fully expecting to be an ordo, and then I read: “Congratulations! You are one of the wolves”. I think: Oh bother. :p

N1 was spent telling each other what inadequate wolves we all are. The best Night, I assure you.

My first words on N2: “What have I said? What have I done? Whenever you open your big mouth you put a foot in it!”. The rest of the Night was just deciding on Shasta – but considering Legate – and me rambling about a possible fake Seer reveal on D2, which thankfully I didn’t need. Me and Mith agreed that this will probably be the shortest WW game ever – lasting only 3 Days. (Well, we were ust one Day off.)

Hat’s off to Mith who suggested Nerwen (though as a Seer) on N3. Nog – you don’t realize how close you were to being killed instead of Nerwen! But that kill would be too risky for Mith, so that idea was discarded. Oh yeah, my first words:

O MY GOD!!! I MADE IT THROUGH D2 WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A REVEAL!!! :eek:

Sorry about that. I was away for a couple hours and only came back now - expecting to find myself hanging off the very tree that is occupied by Kit! Almost every time someone analyses me they say "look how wolfish she is... but she's just a confused innocent". Especially Nilp's post. I was fully prepared for his vote following right after, but then he ends everything with ‘not gonna vote her’.”

I spent N4 all alone. By this time I knew Eomer was the Seer (his consistent voting, as well as this: “I'm finding it very hard in this game to focus on more than 2 or 3 players!” aka the wolves), but I couldn’t kill him, because then I’d be lynched right off the bat due to his votes. I was torn about who to kill because everything would make me look bad. I thought that Nog would be such an obvious choice that someone will think that it would be absurd for me to kill him. Well, I was wrong. >.<

[Mithalwen]

Also Nerwen was less likely to be a lynch candidate and with no chance of getting her killed during the day she would have been a priority night kill even without the gifted hint. Far too too dangerous on the side of the angels.

[Galadriel55]

Far too too dangerous on the side of the angels.

Only the good die young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCRawbdIhfI), as they say.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

How could I hope that you weren't the Seer when I knew that you were one? I was waiting for that reveal on D4.

How could you know?

[Galadriel55]

How could you know?

I did. :smokin::p

Really, it's much easier to read Seer clues when you're a wolf than when you're an ordo.

[Inziladun]

Really, it's much easier to read Seer clues when you're a wolf than when you're an ordo.

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie. ;)

[Galadriel55]

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie. ;)

But when I relised that Eomer is the Seer, I wasn't alone at all! Mith was still by my side then!

I think Seeromer summed N4 up very well here:

I think she knows I'm the seer but she couldn't kill me at night because that would obviously reveal all and end the game. I've known the game was over since Mith died.

[Nogrod]

You'll seldom see a more paranoid creature than a lone WW baddie. ;)How about an innocent ordo in an endgame with another innocent + a wolf... :eek:

[Mithalwen]

How could you know?

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

[satansaloser2005]

How about an innocent ordo in an endgame with another innocent + a wolf... :eek:

Let's not talk about that ever again....

EDIT: x'd with Mith

[satansaloser2005]

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

See, I thought about that, but I'd convinced myself that Nog was the seer, so I thought it was either a fake seer hint to confuse the wolves or that it was a fake seer hint because he was a wolf. Then Nog died. :(

[Galadriel55]

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

Exactly! :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Posts 369 and 370. You said you could only focus on a couple of players this game and voted for Galadriel saying you pictured the others as innocent.

Screamed I am the seer....

No... I meant that I was finding it difficult to analyse many of the players; Gala, Sally and Nilp were the only ones I really investigated. That's what I meant.

My point is you didn't know I was the seer. Undoubtedly you guessed I was and, as it happened, you guessed correctly. But there was still the chance you would get lucky and have it turn out to be Nog.

[Mithalwen]

I never considered Nogrod as seer for a moment. I suspected you a bit early but wondered whether a first timer would be a likely first time dread, and was fairly convinced even before those posts. Nothing else made sense. Of course we had the advantage of knowing that you weren't one of us and that Galadriel was . Plain ordos are seldom quite so definite about suspects. So if you mean we can't have know because we weren't party to the role email no we didnt' know but I knew by circumstantial evidence and instinct. After I was dead I so nearly told you I knew in a rep and only just stopped myself in time! We can debate the semantics but I would have put good money on it. Of course knowing is useless if you can't do anything with the information.

[Galadriel55]

No... I meant that I was finding it difficult to analyse many of the players; Gala, Sally and Nilp were the only ones I really investigated. That's what I meant.

My point is you didn't know I was the seer. Undoubtedly you guessed I was and, as it happened, you guessed correctly. But there was still the chance you would get lucky and have it turn out to be Nog.

Well there's also the fact that you were careful not to be too sure about anyone - except for me. :smokin:

However, you're right, we didn't know for 100%... But we knew 99.9%, and I was ready to eat 10 hats if you weren't the Seer... :p :D