WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Loslote]

The Director examined the set for her new "movie". The perparations had been extensive. From hobbit holes to marshes to forests to a couple bonus bottomless pits, this set was ready for filming. Or at least, it would be, once the actors arrived. And several airplanes and a couple buses later, the cast started pulling in.

As the actors filed past, the Director pulled several aside. To one, she nervously said that all was not as it seemed, and warned to always keep a weapon on hand. To another, she stared wide-eyed and told of mystical auras that indicated truthful dreams. To a third, she gave a key to the props department (specifically, the weapons section) and a key to the expresso machine - staying up all night guarding people was tiring work, she explained. And to three others, she told the truth.

To these three actors, the Director explained that she wasn't really filming a movie. She was filming a reality TV show. These three actors would choose, every night, one person to disappear. They were given packets upon packets of fake blood and lots of choloroform.

"But they'll know they're not dead," one protested. "They'll still breathe."

"Get creative with the fake blood," the Director said. "Leave the rest to us."

Shrugging, the actors dispersed among the rest of the cast as they found their trailers - all well within the wall and gate surrounding the filming location, of course - and settled in for the Night.

Night One will start in forty minutes. Those with pms to send, feel free to send them to your heart's desire then. Oh, and invisibilty is key.

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
McCaber as Aragorn
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Inziladun as Elrond
Glirdy as Glorfindel
Nerwen as Galadriel

[Loslote]

As the three selected actors crept through the silent set, they debated amonst themselves which of their castmates to "kill". Just as they'd narrowed the list down to three - they'd started out with three candidates, so this wasn't as impressive as it sounds - one of them felt a finger tap them on the shoulder. The Director raised a finger in a "shh" motion and beckoned for the group to follow her over to one of the bottomless pits scattered around the set. Lying near it was a fake body, wearing the same clothes the Director had been wearing earlier.

"Well?" she said impatiently.

"Sorry, what?" one of the actors said.

"Fake blood," the Director prompted. The group got to work, transforming the obviously fake body into an obviously dead one. When they'd finished, the Director used another packet of fake blood to write on the rock next to the body.

"Now go act innocent," she told the actors. "You're on your own from now on."

The cast woke up pretty simultaneously, disturbed from their rest by someone screaming. The yawning actors gathered around the body.

"So...we still get paid, right?" Eruhen asked, breaking the silence.

"Did you not see the writing?" Tum said. "'Kill them before they get you'."

"Being paid is the last of our worries," Nerwen said.

"But how do we know who did this?" Eomer asked.

"It could be anyone," Glirdy said.

The others looked at each other warily.

"We vote, I suppose," Galadriel55 said.

Day 1 has started.

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
McCaber as Aragorn
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Inziladun as Elrond
Glirdy as Glorfindel
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director

[Galadriel55]

Well, it's Day One, we all know how this works. ++Lott.... wait, what? You mean we can't vote her? But it's D1! Oh bother.

;)

And I insist on still getting paid. No, change that. Paid extra.


With foes ahead, behind us dread,
Among the wolves shall be our bed,
Until at last our toil be passed,
The wolves all gone, our movie sped.

They must away! They must away!
They kill before the break of Day!

[Folwren]

So...let me get this straight. We come to act on a film, and then on the morning of our first shoot, we find our director dead, with a note apparently written by the victim in her own blood saying we have to kill them before they kill us? We don't know who it is, according to Glirdan, and that means we should randomly guess and vote for each other's deaths, according to Galadriel the fifty-fifth. This does not sound like a good job to me, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the contract.

[Eruhen]

I don't remember seeing anything about lynch mobs in my contract. And I'm with G55 - I not only still want paid, I want paid extra.

And, just to make certain, that is Lottie, right? She learned directing under Mel Brooks, so she's fond of body doubles and special effects. Mac, Zil, Glirdy - wanna take a look at her, since you three are our resident medics?

[Inziladun]

Most disconcerting, this. I came here to portray one who exemplified wisdom, and I shall do my best to discern the safest course of action for us. Money is nice, but for the moment I think safety is preferable.

It will be helpful if all make it a point to share their ideas, and not simply lurk in the background waiting for others to do so.

G55 seems a bit glib under the circumstances, perhaps. But then people have strange reactions sometimes to danger.

x/d with Eruhen- Unfortunately I lack the healing powers of the Lord of Imladris.

[Galadriel55]

This does not sound like a good job to me, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the contract.

No, no, no! It wasn't! I want to run away from here, somewhere where they won't find me! ...But that can only mean going into the Old Forest! I can't be thinking of doing that. It is quite as dangerous as the Wolves. We might be lucky enough, you say? You won't have any luck in the Old Forest. No one ever has luck in there. You'll get lost. People don't go in there. ...only wolves.

*sigh*

Well, do as you think best! I am more afraid of the Old Forest than of anything I know about: the stories about it are a nightmare; but my vote hardly counts, as...

...Wait, did I just say that? Was that really part of the script?

Edit: x'd. Yay! Some posts!

[Boromir88]

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

[Galadriel55]

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

I think you confused wolves with dragons. ;)

[Inziladun]

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

So it's that easy, then? Seems a bit too easy, rather like sending the Ring over Sea.

However, it's certainly possible we have evil ones among the first posters, excited about their work and confident.

x/d with G55

[Bom Tombadillo]

Hey dol! merry dol! Ring a dead dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! avenge fal the Director!
Tom Bom, omigod this is scary Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

. . . You know I was actually happy to be in this movie? :rolleyes: But now I've half a mind to go postal on the lot of you! Killers and innocents alike, all dead . . . except for me of course. :D *sits a moment in utter glee*

But I suppose it's my job to protect you idiots. Ah well.

This voting idea sounds good t'me; I'd like to vote for Lottierector for getting us into this mess.

[Folwren]

...Wait, did I just say that? Was that really part of the script?

I don't know, I didn't read my script like they told me to. I figured knowing the book well enough would suffice.

I was looking forward to getting into character. Sam was always my favorite, and now we don't even get to act. :mad: Would it disturb anyone if I addressed them as though they were the characters they were supposed to play, and I was Sam? I'd love that. (Really.)

I agree that we should check the body to see if it's real. I was going to suggest someone try CPR in my first post (for real) but I figured with that much blood, it'd be kinda pointless. Maybe even dangerous, if the heart was pierces, seeing as CPR would...well, you know...wow, that's really disgusting thinking about it.

And I'm retiring for the night. I will be back about six hours before dead-line, probably.

-- Foley/Sam

Edit: x-ed with the last four posts, I think

[Bom Tombadillo]

The dead-line, you say? Sounds awfully suspicious to me . . . (that was a joke, by the way :rolleyes:)

On a less joke-y note, G55 looks . . . not suspicious, but unusual, to me. More gifted than wolf, it seems. Awfully fast to be making such a judgment, I know, but that's more or less normal for me.

[McCaber]

The director? My god.

Let's use my Ranger skills to figure out who did this.

(looks left)

(looks right)

(looks at blood)

Gotta be wolves, man. No other possible explanation.

[Nerwen]

And I insist on still getting paid. No, change that. Paid extra.

I came here to portray one who exemplified wisdom, and I shall do my best to discern the safest course of action for us. Money is nice, but for the moment I think safety is preferable.
I too, "Master Elrond". Let me see, how did the script go– ah, yes– our production stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the ruin of all. But hope remains while the Company is true.

Which is to say, I hope the film company will honour our contracts, but in the meantime we have more to worry about. [EDIT: as I already pointed out in the narration, apparently.]

On a less joke-y note, G55 looks . . . not suspicious, but unusual, to me. More gifted than wolf, it seems. Awfully fast to be making such a judgment, I know, but that's more or less normal for me.
*coughing fit* You know, I don't think this is quite the time to be critiquing another actor's, er, talents, do you?

[Eruhen]

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

This is one Dwarf, however, that gold has no power over. Just ask Nerwen; she foretold it, not me.

A tad quick to point the finger there, hmm, Tharkûn? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement, fearing for your own safety; for even the very wise cannot see all ends.

And, with that, I think I'll turn in for the night. See you in about eight hours.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Interesting deduction, AraCaber. Please, dazzle us with your survivorship skills and tell us exactly what happened here? Because I spy an empty packet of blood under that bush there.... is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Well, whatever, I'm with GaladBolg and Gimlihen - I better be getting paid for this, or someone will be hearing from my lawyer.

In other news, not liking our happy singer Bom right now. Nope, not one bit.

[Glirdan]

When was it decided I was a medic? I'm an actor here to claim justice for Glorfindel who was shafted by that role-theiving elf Arwen >_<

I'm too tired to even try and figure this out right now. I'm going to get a few hours of shut eye and then be back to help out.

[Eönwë]

One cannot simply vote off and kill who seems most like a wolf! We have nothing to go on! Not with ten-thousand men (of the Wise) could you do this! It is folly!

We face an evil that does not sleep. I say we use this weapon of the enemy. Let us stay awake, and then we can find out who the wolves truly are, and then we can slay them all!



Oh, we're not filming? This isn't an acting exercise? Ah... Though actually, I suppose those points still remain.


edit: spelling

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ower busy to say muckle richt noo. Haein second breakfast, ken?

[Eönwë]

. . . You know I was actually happy to be in this movie? :rolleyes: But now I've half a mind to go postal on the lot of you! Killers and innocents alike, all dead . . . except for me of course. :D *sits a moment in utter glee*

Hey, what sort of Tom Bombadil are you? You're meant to be friendly, kind and save us from danger just by singing. Are you sure you're the right character? :p


edit: x-ed wi' Eomer. I've been Scotsed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

edit: x-ed wi' Eomer. I've been Scotsed.

'er's plinty mair far 'at came fae, min!

I'd best prepare fur elevenses the noo, so nae time to offer ony insight yet.

[Boromir88]

A tad quick to point the finger there, hmm, Tharkûn? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement, fearing for your own safety; for even the very wise cannot see all ends.

That's not applicable to wolves master Dwarf. The Ring required a very specific plan to be unmade and Gollum had a part yet to play in that tale.

The wolves part to play is to eat us and I assure you, show me who the wolves are, and my fire his hot enough to roast them.

[Inziladun]

*coughing fit* You know, I don't think this is quite the time to be critiquing another actor's, er, talents, do you?

Indeed. Such ideas ought not to be said aloud, I think. Servants of evil may be anywhere, ever ready to use information like that.

In other news, not liking our happy singer Bom right now. Nope, not one bit.

Because of the above mentioned words?

When was it decided I was a medic? I'm an actor here to claim justice for Glorfindel who was shafted by that role-theiving elf Arwen >_<


I really ought to defend Arwen, for obvious reasons, but in this case it simply cannot be done.

Ower busy to say muckle richt noo. Haein second breakfast, ken?

Master Peregrin seems to have his own fashion of speech. The other hobbits don't speak in that manner. ;)

x/d with Boro

[Boromir88]

Translations of the Scotsman:

Ower busy to say muckle richt noo. Haein second breakfast, ken?

"Too busy to participate because I'm still finishing my meal from yesternight. I think I'll have Lottie's left shoulder loin for second breakfast, is that ok then with my packmates?"

[satansaloser2005]

Good thing I was Scots-guarded. (Cue laughter.)

You'll notice that I didn't say anything in that transcript of events up there. That's because I, the tiny innocent child that I am, was horror-struck that our wonderful director was killed so viciously. I'm heartbroken, truly.

No, no, not from that angle, young man. If you lift the camera a mere few inches, you'll be able to capture this tear as it runs down my cheek. Very good, sir, carry on.

[satansaloser2005]

Translations of the Scotsman:
"Too busy to participate because I'm still finishing my meal from yesternight. I think I'll have Lottie's left shoulder loin for second breakfast, is that ok then with my packmates?"

Do you think? If so, he's overacting (not that I would be surprised, really, as he's playing my dodgy, ridiculous cousin, and he as an actor is prone to dramatics anyway).

I'm craving some bacon on a stick. Does anyone have any? (An aside: A clever plan, truly, to capture anyone who says they have bacon on a stick. Who else but the villains would possess something so artfully crafted so early in the morning?)

No, young lady, I'm not wearing any makeup, honestly. And those rumors you heard are completely false. I don't go to the gym. I'm just naturally like this.

[Bom Tombadillo]

. . . happy . . .

I resent the accusation that I am in any way happy with these events, because that would suggest that I am in a position to take advantage of it.

In other news . . . well, I do specialize in daring Day 1 declarations.

Oh dear, I seem to have become one of the alliterati. And with D, too! I prefer C, thank you.

*ahem* AS I was going to say before I was rudely interrupted by myself (several times, even!) my mind seems to be on the more, as Nerwen says, talented actors. (translation: it seems like anybody and everybody is dropping hints that they're Gifted. Including, in retrospect . . .

. . . my job to protect you all.

myself). So you'll excuse me if I make a few incautious comments about such.

[Galadriel55]

*yawns* I wish Day One would start before the usual 3 hours before DL time.

So what do we have here so far?

Foley does not enjoy the situaton. She wants to act like Sam.
McCaber accuses the wolves of killing Lottie.
Shasta doesn't like Bom.
Eonwe doesn't really like Bom either.
Eruhen advises us not to be hasty with such serious maters as death. And wolves.
Boro detects fur on those demanding a pay rise.
Bom is being weird
Inziladun shares his wisdom with us.
Nerwen shares her own wisdom with us.
Glirdy denies Lottie his (questionable) medical skills.
Eomer ees baing unraiedabul, so Ah cennut saie.
Sally is distraught over Lottie's death.
Tum is too shocked to speak.
I recite my lines.

Edit: xed with Bom

[Bom Tombadillo]

Bom is being weird

When am I not? :D I rather enjoy weirdness. Nonlethal weirdness, mind you; don't get any ideas there.

Well, since it's list-making time:

I am innocent by virtue of being me.
Sally is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
G55 is innocent-ish by virtue of being interesting and better left alive to be studied. Also, by virtue of complimenting me (see above).
Eomer of the Scothirrim is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
As far as the guilty go:
Boromir88 is guilty by virtue of attacking the Scot.
Nerwen is guilty by virtue of disliking something I said.
Shasta is guilty by virtue of not liking yours truly.
Eonwe is guilty by virtue of thinking I'm in the wrong role.
Inziladun is guilty by virtue of agreeing with Nerwolf.
Lottierector is guilty by virtue of having more than three wolves.
And finally, everybody else is guilty by virtue of escaping my notice.

[Galadriel55]

When am I not? :D I rather enjoy weirdness. Nonlethal weirdness, mind you; don't get any ideas there.

Point to a normal person here. :rolleyes::D

[Glirdan]

So I actually didn't realize how little time I had to post today which makes this my second post as well as my vote post as I have to leave for work very shortly and will not be back till three hours after DL.

So, just so I don't get modfired, random vote goes to

++Boromir88

Good luck all!

[satansaloser2005]

Plusses, Pie.


EDIT: There's a good lad.

[McCaber]

Hmm, this seems a little quieter than most first days I can remember.

But Bom Tombadillo seems to be jumping to conclusions rather quickly. Just something to watch.

[Inziladun]

Point to a normal person here. :rolleyes::D

You'd be hard pressed to do so. ;)

So I actually didn't realize how little time I had to post today which makes this my second post as well as my vote post as I have to leave for work very shortly and will not be back till three hours after DL.

So, just so I don't get modfired, random vote goes to

++Boromir88

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

[Folwren]

Well, I'm back.

That came so naturally. I'm going to have to try Sam lines more often.

What a nasty mess you've made for me to clean up. That's another of his lines, I think. Well, not exactly, but it's certainly based off of it. I think it's when he's coming into Mordor and he notes that ... whatever.

Little to go from, as is usual on Day 1. I don't like Day 1. I always feel guilty about voting for anybody becaus there's never any real evidence against anybody. Especially when someone like me comes along and doesn't know how people normally act.

McCaber, I kind of see your point about Bom Tombadil, but it doesn't sound like the conclusions a guilty person would come to. For instance, if he really was a wolf, he would prolly keep things quiet about people being gifted and just hold onto it himself. I also kinda doubt he's gifted himself.

(Tell me again why we're calling the murderers wolves? Besides Aracaber's brilliantly bad sleuthing skills?)

I'd like to see more from Eomer.

-- Foley/Sam

X-posted with Inzil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So you'll excuse me if I make a few incautious comments about such.

No, I won't. There's no reason to do such, if you're innocent.

Will likely vote Bom today. DL is at 7:00 pm CST, right?

[Boromir88]

Let's be honest Glirdanindel you didn't know who to vote for and so your random vote is really just voting for me because you knew I would not be offended? Seeing as we go back a ways and are essentially brothers?

Fairy nuff, since I've done the same before. Not knowing who to vote for, so my random Day 1 pick usually falls to you if I have to make one.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Seem to remember fowk latching onto Bom's, shall we say, daring playing style in the last game. He'd be a great bold wolf because now I'm thinking it's just his style.

[Eönwë]

Oh dear, I seem to have become one of the alliterati. And with D, too! I prefer C, thank you.
Yep, you're basically a Cobbler, even though there isn't one.

When am I not? :D I rather enjoy weirdness. Nonlethal weirdness, mind you; don't get any ideas there. Oh really?

Hmm, this seems a little quieter than most first days I can remember.
Yes! Definitely. Less three hours left and there and altogether we have only spoken 36 times.

[Boromir88]

I think the quietness is due to not having any of the Finns or phantom present and me deciding to try something less abrasive and loudy.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Will likely vote Bom today. DL is at 7:00 pm CST, right?

I think so, yes. Care to tell me why you're going to vote me? (So I can try to talk you out of it?)

Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .) If nothing else happens, I'll probably return Shasta's favor.

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

[Folwren]

Yes! Definitely. Less three hours left and there and altogether we have only spoken 36 times.

I think it's the shock. We're here to film, and then this happens. It's not a real body, apparently, but the director is no where to be found.

I think the quietness is due to not having any of the Finns or phantom present and me deciding to try something less abrasive and loudy.

This is possible, although Bom has been doing a very good job of drawing attention to himself, and Galadriel the fifthy-fifth hasn't kept too silent herself.

Fairy nuff, since I've done the same before. Not knowing who to vote for, so my random Day 1 pick usually falls to you if I have to make one.

This would make it a non-random vote, actually.

I'm going to be around until deadline, pretty much, so I'll keep tabs on this.

X-posted with the Bom himself.

[Boromir88]

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

[Bom Tombadillo]

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

:rolleyes: That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh no! It's quiet! :D

First days should be quiet because there's nothing to go on. And Nogrod's nae even in this game to argue against that: HA!!!

Let's just kill someone and get it over with. :smokin:

[Nogrod]

Oh no! It's quiet! :D

First days should be quiet because there's nothing to go on. And Nogrod's nae even in this game to argue against that: HA!!!HA!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY) :rolleyes:

Talk people, talk.

*withdraws into the shadows, never to return*

[Boromir88]

This would make it a non-random vote, actually.

Indeed but the so-called "random" votes, are rarely ever random in the true sense of the world. You often don't see random votes for someone's first time as they learn what goes on, nor random votes for members who haven't been around in a while. So really the "random" votes just go to someone who you know won't mind being voted for on Day 1, because dying Day 1 kind of stinks.

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

:rolleyes: That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

HA!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY) :rolleyes:

Talk people, talk.

*withdraws into the shadows, never to return*

Aaaahaha! :D

They say that Satan too appears when you speak of him. :cool:

[Bom Tombadillo]

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

[McCaber]

"Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!"

I think I just heard him say this...

[Bom Tombadillo]

*tries to headdesk, realizes he's not at a desk, and settles for a facepalm*

I don't think you're that stupid, so that's probably a deliciously bad joke.

[Eönwë]

"Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!"I think I just heard him say this...
This is possibly the funniest thing I've seen all Day.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eh... Fitiver's gan on here will mak for some good readin' imorn. That's why I leave Bom and Boro.

There's probably a wolf who's said nothing other than character posts yet, so I'll pick one of them. Back in a minty.

[Inziladun]

*smilies removed per forum restrictions*

Hey dol! merry dol! Ring a dead dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! avenge fal the Director!
Tom Bom, omigod this is scary Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

. . . You know I was actually happy to be in this movie? :But now I've half a mind to go postal on the lot of you! Killers and innocents alike, all dead . . . except for me of course. *sits a moment in utter glee*

But I suppose it's my job to protect you idiots. Ah well.

This voting idea sounds good t'me; I'd like to vote for Lottierector for getting us into this mess.

First post. Might seem rather glib, and threatening to kill everyone was not really something to earn trust....


The dead-line, you say? Sounds awfully suspicious to me . . . (that was a joke, by the way)

On a less joke-y note, G55 looks . . . not suspicious, but unusual, to me. More gifted than wolf, it seems. Awfully fast to be making such a judgment, I know, but that's more or less normal for me.

This raised some eyebrows, since it's generally not a good idea to trumpet that one sees a potential Gifted, at least not a good idea for the innocents. As a baddie, though, what would this gain him but suspicion? He could have simply let his mates know the next Night.

I resent the accusation that I am in any way happy with these events, because that would suggest that I am in a position to take advantage of it.

In other news . . . well, I do specialize in daring Day 1 declarations.

Oh dear, I seem to have become one of the alliterati. And with D, too! I prefer C, thank you.

*ahem* AS I was going to say before I was rudely interrupted by myself (several times, even!) my mind seems to be on the more, as Nerwen says, talented actors. (translation: it seems like anybody and everybody is dropping hints that they're Gifted. Including, in retrospect . . .



myself). So you'll excuse me if I make a few incautious comments about such.

Hm. Excuses an apparent Gifted fixation with a belief that many are throwing out hints, not just him.

When am I not? I rather enjoy weirdness. Nonlethal weirdness, mind you; don't get any ideas there.

Well, since it's list-making time:

I am innocent by virtue of being me.
Sally is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
G55 is innocent-ish by virtue of being interesting and better left alive to be studied. Also, by virtue of complimenting me (see above).
Eomer of the Scothirrim is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
As far as the guilty go:
Boromir88 is guilty by virtue of attacking the Scot.
Nerwen is guilty by virtue of disliking something I said.
Shasta is guilty by virtue of not liking yours truly.
Eonwe is guilty by virtue of thinking I'm in the wrong role.
Inziladun is guilty by virtue of agreeing with Nerwolf.
Lottierector is guilty by virtue of having more than three wolves.
And finally, everybody else is guilty by virtue of escaping my notice.

A suspicion list that doesn't look to be all that serious. But what's that about there being more than three wolves? Did I miss something?

I think so, yes. Care to tell me why you're going to vote me? (So I can try to talk you out of it?)

Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .) If nothing else happens, I'll probably return Shasta's favor.

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

A response to Shasta, who'd threatened to vote him.

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

I'm not sure I get his meaning on the latter bit. There are a couple of ways it could be interpreted.

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

I will agree with him that the vehemence with which Boro has gone after him seems a bit out of proportion.

*tries to headdesk, realizes he's not at a desk, and settles for a facepalm*

I don't think you're that stupid, so that's probably a deliciously bad joke.

A response to McCaber's apparently joking about him saying Boro was a wolf.

Conclusions? He seems a bit carefree and fearless if he's a wolf, but does come off as a little defensive. Then again, as I said, the force with which some have decided to go after him makes me wonder.

x/d with Steve and Eomer

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sally fits the criteria (oh wow, I never find her suspicious or anything... :rolleyes: ), as does Glirdan. I'm totally aware that I myself fit my own criteria of not adding anything to the discussion....

...until now :D

Sorry Glirdan, but just not enough from you today. And the first vote is always a safe one. Chances are you're a busy innocent but, because no-one else is really jumping out at me, you're acting the conservative wolf.

++GLIRDAN

[Eönwë]

Sally fits the criteria
Yeah, I suppose it's bad that I only realised that Sally had posted when I checked the post-count. Totally under my radar.

[Galadriel55]

I went away for what I thought to be one hour and ended up being about four hours. I'm catching up (there's very little to catch up on, though. This is suspiciously quiet!)

[Bom Tombadillo]

To Inzilarond: I'm not so surprised at the force with which I've been attacked - that's a common reaction to me.

And no, you didn't miss anything. The "more than three wolves" comment was about that very joke-suspicion list having more than three people looking guilty.

EDIT: X'd with the last two posters.

[Boromir88]

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

[Bom Tombadillo]

And those would be? You've mentioned that you don't think I'm the Seer, but what else?

[Galadriel55]

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

I'd say neither. I will refrain on making any opinion on Glirdy until he has the chance to actually say something.

McCaber, I kind of see your point about Bom Tombadil, but it doesn't sound like the conclusions a guilty person would come to. For instance, if he really was a wolf, he would prolly keep things quiet about people being gifted and just hold onto it himself. I also kinda doubt he's gifted himself.

I agree with this.

(Tell me again why we're calling the murderers wolves? Besides Aracaber's brilliantly bad sleuthing skills?)

Because we are playing wereWOLF, not wereACTOR. :smokin:

Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think?

An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

[Eönwë]

Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

Wait, are you ridiculously misquoting Boro?

The post:
As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.
His whole point is that not wanting to be out of the game does not in any way point to wolvery.



However, this makes you look better in my eyes. I think a wolf would be more careful.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Welp. 30 minutes to deadline, and I doubt anything's going to come along to change my mind (plus, supper's coming up soon). So,

++Boromir88

EDIT: X'd with Eonwe. I don't quite understand what's meant by that comment on the Boro-quote either, but I don't think it's a deliberate misquote.

[Folwren]

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

I concur. Lots of raised blood here, especially from Boromir.

Inzil has done a post by post analysis of Bom. I'm not very good at those, but I'm going to give it a shot for Boromir. Coming soon.

[Inziladun]

Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

x/d with Foley

[Inziladun]

It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.

[Loslote]

About a half an hour to DL, guys.

[Bom Tombadillo]

To Inzilarond (again): Yes. Yes it has. I do seem to recall saying that I would vote Shasta if nothing else came up, though. And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

[Inziladun]

Hm, so it's:

Glirdan--> Boro (1)
Eomer--> Glirdan (1)
Bom--> Boro (2)

[Eruhen]

Well, that 'brief trip to the mall' turned into a 'five hour expedition with screaming child in tow'. Nice to see that it's looking like a typical Day 1 so far.

I've got about 20 minutes, so I'll keep an eye on things before I vote. Nothing's really jumped out at me so far, though. Neither Boro nor Bom seem particularly wolfish to me. Seem more like typical catty actors, than anything.

[Eönwë]

And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.
You can't expect people to believe that you didn't consider it at all.

[Boromir88]

I seriously hope some more start showing up but I'm not sure how much we can rely on Nerwen or Shasta who can normally miss Day 1's. Or Tum who hasn't been here yet. Or sally even, and she's usually good about these sorts of things.

[Boromir88]

Alright. Didn't want to do this so earlier but it's safe and more beneficial usually to be known.

Don't lynch me. I'm the hunter and can only take down a wolf if I'm night killed.

[Galadriel55]

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

Bom calls Boro a wolf, probably as a joke, but without reason.

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Boro sounds concerned and rather, umm, harsh.

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

:rolleyes: That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

This sounds queer. Very queer. Weirder than the regular-weird Bom.

Bom is also quick to proclaim his ordoship (he pointed out he's not a gifted earlier on)

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

First paragraph is ok.

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.

I can see what you're saying in the last bit.

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

Last paragraph is weirder than usual.

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Sounds good.

And those would be? You've mentioned that you don't think I'm the Seer, but what else?

Bom continues to challenge.

Boro also posts a joke-post here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659283&postcount=25). This post is an obvious joke. (Unlike Bom's, that could be interpreted any way.)


Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .)

Between the two of them, I find this quote the most suspicious. This was before they started fighting over nothing, though. But still.

Edit: xed since the vote count

[McCaber]

Oh my. That changes things.

[Eruhen]

Well, now. Boro's officially off my ordo list. Though whether he's moved to the 'wolf' list or the 'gifted' list will require a little more thought.

[Inziladun]

I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

x/d with all since #73. Well, at least the Seer's got some good leads now....

[Eönwë]

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.
I just explained this. The misconception is that it's only the wolves that don't want to die.

edit: x-ed since G55's post

[Loslote]

Role Clarification:

Hunter: Sends me a name every Night. Cannot change the name during the Day. If the Hunter is killed, the person xe chose will only die if xe is a wolf.

The Hunter can take down a wolf if xe is lynched, but cannot kill an innocent. Same goes for Night-kills. Xe cannot change the choice during the Day, so whatever xe sent in overNight is who xe has chosen. Apologies if that was badly worded!

[Bom Tombadillo]

You can't expect people to believe that you didn't consider it at all.

I might not be able to expect people to believe it, but I can still know it's true.

In other news . . . :eek: :eek: :eek: Ooooooo. Kay? That's either a wolf picking the safest gifted to declare himself to be, or a hunter who's confident enough he has a wolf to allow himself to be killed.

EDIT: X'd with everybody from G55's summary onwards.

[Folwren]

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

Seems normal to me...for a first post on Day 1, anyway. Not serious, nothing suspicious.

That's not applicable to wolves master Dwarf. The Ring required a very specific plan to be unmade and Gollum had a part yet to play in that tale.

The wolves part to play is to eat us and I assure you, show me who the wolves are, and my fire his hot enough to roast them.

Nothing bad there. Still Day 1 content. Expresses hatred for wolves. Natural for an player.


Translations of the Scotsman:


Ower busy to say muckle richt noo. Haein second breakfast, ken?
"Too busy to participate because I'm still finishing my meal from yesternight. I think I'll have Lottie's left shoulder loin for second breakfast, is that ok then with my packmates?"

That's just...gross.

Let's be honest Glirdanindel you didn't know who to vote for and so your random vote is really just voting for me because you knew I would not be offended? Seeing as we go back a ways and are essentially brothers?

Fairy nuff, since I've done the same before. Not knowing who to vote for, so my random Day 1 pick usually falls to you if I have to make one.

His feathers weren't ruffled about being voted for by Glirdan, so long as the vote was random, apparently.

I think the quietness is due to not having any of the Finns or phantom present and me deciding to try something less abrasive and loudy.

No comment necessary.

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Oooh, ouch. Pretty much says, 'Since your not the seer, even if you're an innocent, I won't trust you.'

This would make it a non-random vote, actually.

Indeed but the so-called "random" votes, are rarely ever random in the true sense of the world. You often don't see random votes for someone's first time as they learn what goes on, nor random votes for members who haven't been around in a while. So really the "random" votes just go to someone who you know won't mind being voted for on Day 1, because dying Day 1 kind of stinks.

Again, not really anything to comment on.

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

The question is, who else took him seriously? It was a joke, obviously. Why can't we tease about wolf-ish names? He wasn't really making an accusation. That would have hurt if it'd come after a post that was trying to make Boromir look like a wolf.

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

It's been addressed already by others.

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

Why especially you? Some people wouldn't react. And just be cause you know he's not a gifted doesn't make him a guilty party. His behavior today has been such that I would really guess he's not a guilty party. So to not be bothered to vote for him really doesn't make sense. It would bother me to vote for a person who was likely an innocent.

Is being continued, wanted to get this out before deadline.

[Boromir88]

In other news . . . :eek: :eek: :eek: Ooooooo. Kay? That's either a wolf picking the safest gifted to declare himself to be, or a hunter who's confident enough he has a wolf to allow himself to be killed.


No just one who understands his role and can be just as deadly to the wolves whether they know he's the hunter or not. But I can't be deadly to the wolves if I'm lynched.

[Folwren]

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Okay, so apparently Boromir got frightened that Bom's glib comment would get him lynched. Fair 'nuff.

Oh, look...that's it.

My opinion...a bit over the top defensive and worried that such a comment would get him lynched. Really, it seems to me more dangerous to respond to such a thing than to just let it lie.

-- Foley

Edit: I X-posted with a few people since beginning my analysis. Pretty much since I last posted.

[Galadriel55]

And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

You can't expect people to believe that you didn't consider it at all.

No, indeed!

Alright. Didn't want to do this so earlier but it's safe and more beneficial usually to be known.

Don't lynch me. I'm the hunter and can only take down a wolf if I'm night killed.

:eek:

Edit: xed with a few

[Boromir88]

I'm going to vote for whoever it is that will save me. So please...start voting like...now

[Eruhen]

Actually, Boro, you can take out a wolf even if you're lynched. See Lottie's post above.

However, unless you're certain of having one, you'd want to be cautious on Day 1.

I'll post my vote in a few. Just wanna let others have their say.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well I won't be voting for Boro today. He could be lying but it's really not worth the risk this early on.

Right now I'm thinking of voting for one of the submarines.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here with two minutes to spare... are there really only four votes thus far? I skimmed page 2 and all of page 3 thus far so I could post once before having to vote...

[Boromir88]

Actually, Boro, you can take out a wolf even if you're lynched. See Lottie's post above.

However, unless you're certain of having one, you'd want to be cautious on Day 1.

I'll post my vote in a few. Just wanna let others have their say.

You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

[Eruhen]

Oh. True. Vote in a minute.

[McCaber]

Well, now I'm willing to give Boromir the benefit of the doubt, even if he is mistaken on how the rules work. And I don't have a whole lot of ideas on others, because all the analysis came out within ten minutes of the DL. So a wild shot in the dark would be

++Inziladun

Because he kind of tripped my radar, and voted for me. Vengeance is mine!

[Boromir88]

++Bom

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boro claims Hunter, have to vote to save him, will think about it when I can.

++Glirdan

[Eönwë]

Ok, I've decided to go with

++Sally

edit: x-ed with everything since my last

[Galadriel55]

You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

Lynched too, Lottie said.

I'll be voting for a submarine.

[Loslote]

DL. Stop posting.

[Eönwë]

Oh, this is going to be messy.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ack, I thought Glirdan had the most votes except for Boro, but couldn't remember for sure... I have no idea what's just happened.

[Galadriel55]

++Eruhen

Edit: xed

[Eruhen]

++Bom

(How to make it red? Sorry)

[Loslote]

I flipped a coin - heads Boro dies, tails Glirdy dies - missed it, and it rolled under the couch. I flipped another one, and it landed on tails.

Glirdy has been lynched. Narration to follow.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Bom

(How to make it red? Sorry)


[ highlight][ /highlight], without spaces.

[Loslote]

The cast gathered around the body - it seemed the appropriate, if slightly nauseating, place to decide on the Day's lynch. They argued about many things, such as paychecks, shoulder steaks and bacon, and acting ability, but as the Day came to a close, the discussion turned inevitably back to the lynch.

"I think it should be Boro!" Bom shouted.

"No, no! Bom!" Boro shouted.

"Someone else?" Zil offered. Bom and Boro turned to him.

"No!" they both exclaimed.

"Hang on, I liked the 'someone else' idea," McCaber said.

"Like Glirdy!" Eomer said.

"Yeah, that'll work," Shasta said. He grabbed Glirdy and pulled him towards the edge of the nearby bottomless pit. Glirdy pulled Boro with him, so that the two possibly lynches stood balanced on the edge together.

"No, not Boro!" Eonwe said, trying to push his way forwards. This was made difficult by the fact that so was everyone else. With all the flailing limbs, one of them (possibly either belonging to Foley or Sally) hit Glirdy, and the actor toppled backwards into the pit.

The others froze, staring as Glirdy fell. For a long, long time.

"Y'know, once you get past the impending death, this is kind of boring," he called after a while, his voice getting softer every moment. "I was innocent, you know." With that, the rest of the cast slunk off to their respective trailers for the Night.

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
McCaber as Aragorn
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Inziladun as Elrond
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo

Night 2 has begun. PMing should now commence among those with PMing roles.

[Loslote]

When the rest of the cast had fallen asleep, the three actors gathered around the pit, staring down into it bleakly.

"So he's actually dead?" one finally asked.

"As far as I can tell," another answered.

"But we're not killing them. We're just using fake blood and chloroform."

"Well, what'd you expect? How else are they supposed to get rid of us?"

"I don't know, lock us in a hobbit hole or something?"

"Yes, because that's such an awful punishment."

"I'd prefer it to dying."

"I'd prefer to have earned my death, if I have to die."

"So...you want us to actually kill someone?"

"Let's give it a go, at least."

With that, the actors rose to their feet and resolutely marched off to kill their target.

"Hang on, where are you guys going?" one asked.

"To go kill {censored}, of course."

"We did not talk about killing {censored}! Where'd you get that idea?"

"Now that you mention it, we didn't talk about anyone in particular at all."

"Yeah, that might be kind of important."

Several minutes and one poking war later, the actors had reached their decision. Putting their hands in a pile, they shouted "Break!"

"...that was silly-looking," one said after an awkward silence.

"Yep."

"...let's just go."

"Yep."

And so, silent not for stealth but out of slight embarresment, the three slunk off to one of the trailors. Gathering around the sleeping actor, they looked at each other, frowning.

"How does this work again?"

"I don't know. I've never killed anyone before."

Shrugging, one of the actors grabbed several packets of fake blood out of his pocket. Opening a handful, he forced open the victim's jaw and poured it all in. He then held the other actor's mouth closed with one hand and covered his nose with the other until the victim stopped struggling to breathe.

"That works," one of his fellows said.

"I like the blood splattery affect," the other said.

"Thanks," said the killer, wiping the rest of the fake blood off on the victim's pillow. Silently, the actors slipped back to their own trailers.

As the sun rose the next morning, the cast gathered to see if anyone else was missing. After a quick head count, they discovered that the actor who'd played Elrond - Zil - was missing. They ran to his trailer to make sure he hadn't just overslept, and were quicky reassured that he hadn't.

"Now what?" Tum asked, face ashen with horror.

"I guess we do the same thing again," Eonwe said. "Vote to lynch someone, and try to find the murderers."

"Yes, because that turned out so well yesterDay," Foley said.

"But we know more now!" Sally said.

"Yeah - we know it wasn't Glirdy or Zil," Eomer said.

"Pessimism is not going to help," McCaber said. "We've got to figure this out, or we're all in danger."

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
McCaber as Aragorn
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo
Zil as Elrond the Ordo

Day 2 has started. Talking is greatly appreciated.

[satansaloser2005]

Please excuse my absence. I was mobbed by the paparazzi. I'm sure you all know what it's- Oh. Right. Never mind then.

So our intrepid Boromir claims to be the hunter then? How interesting. I don't expect anyone will contest his claims even if he is laying, so I think we should leave him alone for toDay and see what happens.


OOC: Abigail's dying, so I have to leave. I'll hop in and out from my phone. :)

[Galadriel55]

Lottie, will you tell us Zil's role?

Eta: I assume he's ordo for now, not Gifted...

[Loslote]

Lottie, will you tell us Zil's role?

Eta: I assume he's ordo for now, not Gifted...

Yes, sorry, edited that in. :)

[Galadriel55]

Most disconcerting, this. I came here to portray one who exemplified wisdom, and I shall do my best to discern the safest course of action for us. Money is nice, but for the moment I think safety is preferable.

It will be helpful if all make it a point to share their ideas, and not simply lurk in the background waiting for others to do so.

G55 seems a bit glib under the circumstances, perhaps. But then people have strange reactions sometimes to danger.

x/d with Eruhen- Unfortunately I lack the healing powers of the Lord of Imladris.

(Underlining mine). On hindsight, the underlined words probably screamed "Seer" to the wolves.

So it's that easy, then? Seems a bit too easy, rather like sending the Ring over Sea.

However, it's certainly possible we have evil ones among the first posters, excited about their work and confident.

x/d with G55

Nothing much here.

You'd be hard pressed to do so. ;)

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

The first bit referrs to finding a normal person among us (normal, not ordo :p don't get excited). The second - to Glirdy's vote. While I totall agree with his "Hmm", nothing about Zil jumps out here, or the reson for the kill.

#55 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659324&postcount=55)is Bomanalysis that I won't quote in full. The conclusion:

Conclusions? He seems a bit carefree and fearless if he's a wolf, but does come off as a little defensive. Then again, as I said, the force with which some have decided to go after him makes me wonder.

Indefinite attitude towards Bom.

Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.

This has a more accusing tone.

#70 (It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.)is a vote count.

I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

x/d with all since #73. Well, at least the Seer's got some good leads now....

The vote. Quite out of the blue, considering that nothing much has been said of McC the entire game. It is well explained, but could have alerted the wolves if Cabbie is one of them - he wasn't the only submarine.

However, the last part points against my earlier theory of wolves killing Zil on grounds of potential Seerdom. It doesn't sound like a thing a Seer would say. However, the wolves may have thought otherwise.


So, what does this summary give us? Zil could have been mistaken for the Seer. Or, he could have simply been a villager whose death won't point to anyone in particular, or point at a wrong direction. If it's the latter, this whole thing was pretty much pointless (but I, personally, needed to go through all the posts at least because otherwise I'd bugger myself until I do :rolleyes:). However, if he was really suspected of Seering, McC and Bom, and to some extent Glirdy could have been the ones worried about him last Night.

I've probably done more flip-flopping on everyone and everything in this post than I've done throughout the entire previous game of WW, but I want to consider all the possibilities.


Now, having done this, I'll try to summarise yesterDay's votes (what a mess they were!). Hopefully they'll prove more helpful, or at least useful, than this summary.

[Eruhen]

Alrighty, since Nilp isn't here to post a vote list, I'll do it...

Night 1:
Lottie killed. Director.

Day 1 Votes:

Glirdy --> Boro (1)
Eomer --> Glirdy (1)
Bom --> Boro (2)
Zil --> Mac (1)
Mac --> Zil (1)
Boro--> Bom (1)
Shasta --> Glirdy (2)
Eonwe --> Sally (1)
G55 --> Eruhen (1)
Eruhen --> Bom (2, post-DL)

FINAL COUNT:

Glirdy, Boro - 2
Bom, Mac, Zil, Sally, Eruhen - 1


Tie between Glirdy and Boro, 2 apiece.

Glirdy lynched. Ordo.

Night 2:

Zil killed. Ordo.

[Boromir88]

First thing, what I meant responding to Eruhen here is...

(Left out quote I referred to, editting it in)
You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

I got no choice Night 1, and don't have any activity during the day. Hence, if I was lynched yesterday there would be absolutely no chance to take a wolf with me because I did not get to send in a name on Night 1.

Now, whoever I chose last night, if I'm lynched and if the person is a wolf will die too. If not, nothing happens. If it's decided to lynch me, I will tell you who my choice was and that way if nothing happens you'll have a known innocent. Otherwise, I will keep my night picks to myself. This sound good/make sense?

Second order of business. Absolutely no excuses for the voting yesterday. None. Sorry if some of you were busy or what not, but that was ridiculous. Come on people, voting is the best chance to kill wolves. If it continues on the same path as yesterday, this will be a short and easy wolves' win. Now you see why I was testy and frantic yesterday I hope, 2 votes. 2 fricken votes lynched somebody. Inexcusable.

[Nerwen]

However, if he was really suspected of Seering, McC and Bom, and to some extent Glirdy could have been the ones worried about him last Night.
I can't help feeling that was the least of Glirdan's worries...

EDIT:X'd with Boro.

[Eruhen]

Sounds fair enough to me, Boro. What do the others think, though?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Second order of business. Absolutely no excuses for the voting yesterday. None. Sorry if some of you were busy or what not, but that was ridiculous. Come on people, voting is the best chance to kill wolves. If it continues on the same path as yesterday, this will be a short and easy wolves' win. Now you see why I was testy and frantic yesterday I hope, 2 votes. 2 fricken votes lynched somebody. Inexcusable.

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

[Galadriel55]

Glirdy-->Boro
Eomer-->Glirdy
Bom-->Boro [2]
Zil-->McC
McC-->Zil
Boro-->Bom
Shasta-->Glirdy [2]
Eonwe-->Sally
....Lottie announces DL.....
G55-->Eruhen (though it's still :00)
Eruhen-->Bom [2] (it's :01)

7 different people were voted! :eek:

*takes a deep breath*

These are really amess, and really random. Including mine. Let's look at some explanations.

Glirdy voted randomly and early for RL reasons. Naught to pick at (as if there could be anything, him in that bottomless pit and all...:()

Eomer says:

Sally fits the criteria (oh wow, I never find her suspicious or anything... :rolleyes: ), as does Glirdan. I'm totally aware that I myself fit my own criteria of not adding anything to the discussion....

...until now

Sorry Glirdan, but just not enough from you today. And the first vote is always a safe one. Chances are you're a busy innocent but, because no-one else is really jumping out at me, you're acting the conservative wolf.

(underlining mine). Anyone else see a double meaning in that?

Bom votes Boro and says:

I do seem to recall saying that I would vote Shasta if nothing else came up, though. And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

Zil chooses not to take sides on the BOROBOM

I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

Nothing wrong here either, but the vote is kinda random.

Well, now I'm willing to give Boromir the benefit of the doubt, even if he is mistaken on how the rules work. And I don't have a whole lot of ideas on others, because all the analysis came out within ten minutes of the DL. So a wild shot in the dark would be

++Inziladun

Because he kind of tripped my radar, and voted for me. Vengeance is mine!

I see nothing wrong here either.

Boro votes Bom. The BOROBOM is continued.

Shasta's vote:

Boro claims Hunter, have to vote to save him, will think about it when I can.

++Glirdan

And later:

Ack, I thought Glirdan had the most votes except for Boro, but couldn't remember for sure... I have no idea what's just happened.

Ok. I also was lost in that flood of literally last-minute votes.

Eonwe votes Sally. No proper explanation (probably out of time), but said before that she's under his radar.

I vote Eruhen. I don't have time to explain, though I have said that I'm voting a submarine.

Eruhen votes Bom.

Edit: xed since my last post (it took me a long while to write this for some reason...)

[Nerwen]

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.
Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.
EDIT2: Correction: Steve voted for Sally, and G55 for Eruhen, both as "submarines".

[Eönwë]

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.
As I said, she felt a bit submariney to me. 3 posts, all of them IC. Since she didn't mention anything about having any problems with getting on, it all seemed a bit suspicious (and unusual).

At the time of voting, the only person other than Boro to have votes was Glirdy, and with so many left to vote, it could've gone in any direction. I just voted for who I found most suspicious at the time.

[Eönwë]

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine".

That's not right. I said I'd vote for a submarine, then followed it up with a Sally-vote (with a few x-posts in between). Then, after that, G55 says that she will be voting for submarines and votes Eruhen.

[Galadriel55]

I can't help feeling that was the least of Glirdan's worries...

:rolleyes:

My apologies to everyone. So stupid of me. Proves that by the time I reach a conclusion, my brain doesn't function anymore.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

I was, as you said, rushed. Very rushed (I'm not entirely sure my vote was on time, even - it was after Lottie's DL announcement, but still at :00). I didn't want to vote someone like Sally, Nerwen, and Tum who barely said anything / didn't say anything at all, but someone who was well under my radar, like Eruhen happened, and still happens, to be.

If you want to hear why I didn't vote a +2 for someone else - it was really messy. I didn't want to take sides on anything. As Cabbie said yesterDay, everything started happening during the last 10 minutes or so. If you really want to, call my vote a throwaway. A first vote for someone who doesn't have any votes yet by DL time couldn't be called otherwise, so I won't argue.

Last game, I did a throwaway a few minutes before DL to take attention away from my packmate. But I hope no one will say that a vote made on the DL can change anyone's minds in time! :p



YesterDay I still doubted Boro's hunting abilities. I was torn between whether he's really the hunter, or a wolf who is desperate to survive, as it looks he's going to be lynched. ToDay I'm inclined to trust him more - would a wolf really go that far and risk that much? Moreover, it is now obvious what this is referring to:

Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Seer and Hunter. :smokin:

Edit: xed since my own again

[Galadriel55]

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

I didn't vote Sally. Eonwe did. ;)

Edit: my bad, I read on and see that he just said the same thing.

[Nerwen]

G55 and Eonwe–

Sorry about that– it's because you both gave your reasons separately from your vote posts.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If you want to hear why I didn't vote a +2 for someone else - it was really messy. I didn't want to take sides on anything. As Cabbie said yesterDay, everything started happening during the last 10 minutes or so. If you really want to, call my vote a throwaway. A first vote for someone who doesn't have any votes yet by DL time couldn't be called otherwise, so I won't argue.

(bolding mine)

Okay, I can understand, maybe, the last-minute-vote-throwaway, in all the confusion. But that bolded part just blares "wolf" to me. You didn't want to take sides?

Why not?

Either you didn't think Boro was lying, or you did. If you thought Boro was lying, why not vote him? If you didn't, why not vote to save him? A vote on Eruhen at that point accomplished exactly nothing - your only reason for voting was that she was "under your radar".

[Galadriel55]

Why not?

Good question.

Before taking sides, one needs to consider what sides there are and which one is best to take. If I would have voted for someone that was already named just for the sake of taking a side, it would have been as blind a vote as Glirdan's, even though it was half a day later.

You seem to have latched onto my vote, and are trying to find something wrong with it. Lets say I voted for either Glirdy or Boro - would you then say that I saved a packmate from being lynched by voting someone who already had votes?

Anyways, you're onto the wrong person: no wolf here. Although you're as likely to believe that as Legolas is to shoot and miss. :p

Either you didn't think Boro was lying, or you did.

Neither. I wasn't sure about him. I'm still not entirely sure about him, but as I said, now I am more inclined to believe him. (I know this isn't really related to the argument, but I'd laugh my head off if he turns out to be a clever fake revealing wolf :D)

A vote on Eruhen at that point accomplished exactly nothing - your only reason for voting was that she was "under your radar".

Steve's vote accomplished just as much, but you don't press him about it.

?

PS: let me guess, now you're going to accuse me of being defensive? ;)

[Folwren]

(OOC: Sorry I'm so late. Won't be posting anything profound this evening. I'm about half dead with weariness.)

I find it really disturbing that Inzil is actually dead...and it's not just a fake body with fake blood. :eek:

Anyway, about the current debate...eeh...it was crazy for a first day voting. Boromir's right in that it is inexcusable that Glirdan was lynched with only two votes. I haven't got much to say, I was so busy writing an analysis of Boromir that I missed his reveal until I was reading up the posts I'd crossed posted with, and then I got so caught up in seeing who was being voted for, and reading that Boromir was the Hunter, that I completely missed deadline. I glanced down at the clock right at 7:00 and then was going to see about who to vote for when Lottie called deadline.

I really think that most votes were cast out because no one really felt they had anything to vote on. Quite honestly, I expected either Bom or Boromir to go yesterday, what with them being at each other's throats all day. Instead, who goes, but Glirdan, who hardly posted at all, and didn't offend a single person. In the wrong place at the wrong time, I guess.

For the record, Galadriel the fifty-fifth, I believe what you say about not know who to vote for. At least, right now when I'm half asleep and extremely tired, I do. Maybe I'll think differently in the morning.

I'm going to bed. G'night.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Steve's vote accomplished just as much, but you don't press him about it.

I already said I'm looking at you both for the same reason. The fact that you said you "didn't want to take sides" is what drew me to you first.

Before taking sides, one needs to consider what sides there are and which one is best to take. If I would have voted for someone that was already named just for the sake of taking a side, it would have been as blind a vote as Glirdan's, even though it was half a day later.

So, instead, you threw away a vote on someone who very likely wouldn't be lynched, instead of voting to save the claimed Gifted role? Eh. Seems odd to me, still.

You seem to have latched onto my vote, and are trying to find something wrong with it. Lets say I voted for either Glirdy or Boro - would you then say that I saved a packmate from being lynched by voting someone who already had votes?

Given that I believe Boro's hunter claim, if you had voted for Glirdan, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, :p.

[Boromir88]

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.


I thought there was enough people around (as few as there indeed were) to not vote for Glirdan. I mean he had 2 votes and I didn't know how many people would vote for him.

You're right it would have been smarter to just vote Glirdan to save myself because even after my reveal wolf or not, no one would have added another vote to me. But I didn't particularly want to see Glirdan lynched yet again for no reason other than don't lynch me.

I don't know what was up with all that last minute voting though. Yes it was frantic, me included. I could have done better co-ordinating at the end, but really I mean everyone voted someone different? Thanks Shasta, you bought yourself a few good days of my grace before I have to seriously consider looking at you as a suspect.

Believe it or not, I'm still waiting to hear from Bom today before deciding whether I would have no question he's a wolf and lynch him, or if I let other stuff get in the way of better judgement. Gotta love revenge voting, it's not WW without 'em.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry Glirdan. Not the best choice I could have made.

And Inzil deid? The immediate thing to take from this is suspicion of McCaber and Bom.

Eonwe and G55 seem likely innocents to me. Not sure, of course. Certain others look suspicious too; I'll try to go through it in more detail later. :)

[Eruhen]

As far as me being a submarine, that was due to RL reasons, unfortunately. Left mid-afternoon for what I thought would be a short shopping trip, and ended up not getting back till 20 minute before DL.

YesterDay turned out nuts, even by Day 1 standards, and there was no reason for someone to get lynched with two votes, even on Day 1! Fortunately, now that we have things to go on, toDay's already looking better.

I'm also rather disturbed that Inzilarond got killed, but some of what he said was looking Seer-ish (as others have already pointed out), so I can see where the wolves might have gotten paranoid.

I voted for Bom for a couple of reasons (which I'll enumerate in a bit), but the main one was trying to save Boro, because regardless of whether he's the Hunter or not, I was willing to give him a Night to work before lynching. Granted, I should have voted for Glirdy to save Boro, but my brain wasn't working too well then. Hauling a screaming toddler around for five hours kinda does that to you.

Oh, and by the way, Shasta, I'm a guy. :smokin:

Now, research.

[Nerwen]

Back again. Sorry for not being around– I just wasn't able to get to a computer for most of the day.

Sorry Glirdan. Not the best choice I could have made.

And Inzil deid? The immediate thing to take from this is suspicion of McCaber and Bom.
This is true– through a frame can't be ruled out either. Still, I think it's pretty safe to assume that *if* the wolves in fact killed him for being "Seer-ish" it would have been because of his comments on one of those two.

Eonwe and G55 seem likely innocents to me. Not sure, of course.
Why, though? G55's last post looks quite bad to me, actually.

EDIT:X'd with Eruhen.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around?

[Eruhen]

Well, I was going to post an analysis of Bom and why I voted for him, but now that I look through his posting history, I'm not seeing anything that OOC (for Bom, at least :rolleyes: ). So, it would appear that my vote yesterDay was a throw-away.

Not that it mattered, since it came after DL, but that's beside the point.

So, looks like I'm back where I started. I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

So, that makes G55, Foley, and... um... me. Hmmm. Didn't think that one through all that well. Back to the drawing board...

[Galadriel55]

I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

That's how the saying goes, as far as I know. Or, that one of the three first people is a wolf. But you shouldn't trust that - last game the first three people were innocents (I remember waiting on purpose before posting so that I won't be in the trio :p).

About Bom: he does have his own way of posting that people are prone to pick on. Last game people jumped on innocent him for one post because of that style. He's an easy lynch target because of that. However, if he's a wolf, he's a dangerous one, as it's often hard to tell when he's really serious (if ever). So far, even ignoring his "jokes", he looks quite suspicious to me.

[Nerwen]

Well, I was going to post an analysis of Bom and why I voted for him, but now that I look through his posting history, I'm not seeing anything that OOC (for Bom, at least :rolleyes: ). So, it would appear that my vote yesterDay was a throw-away. Not that it mattered, since it came after DL, but that's beside the point.
That... is a very strange way to look at it. I am myself puzzled by Bom's behaviour yesterDay, which doesn't really make sense for a wolf– but all the same, newbie wolves can do some weird things, and he was surely the single most suspicious-looking person yesterDay. I suppose you could say, based on his other two games, that it's not OOC for him to act suspicious– but that's not saying much, is it? Anyway, the real point is: did you have a reason for voting him, or didn't you? You almost seem to be saying both things here.

So, looks like I'm back where I started. I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

So, that makes G55, Foley, and... um... me. Hmmm. Didn't think that one through all that well. Back to the drawing board...
Believe it or not, Eruhen, this is an actual piece of WW lore. Make of that what you will.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

[Eruhen]

That... is a very strange way to look at it. I am myself puzzled by Bom's behaviour yesterDay, which doesn't really make sense for a wolf– but all the same, newbie wolves can do some weird things, and he was surely the single most suspicious-looking person yesterDay. I suppose you could say, based on his other two games, that it's not OOC for him to act suspicious– but that's not saying much, is it? Anyway, the real point is: did you have a reason for voting him, or didn't you? You almost seem to be saying both things here.


YesterDay, I was mainly using my vote to try to protect Boro. I should have voted for Glirdy, but I was frazzled after a long afternoon out with my 18-month-old daughter, Bom had ticked me off for some reason, and time was running out. So, I picked him.

But toDay, after looking through his posting history on this game and the other two he's been a part of, I see that most to all of what he posted yesterDay was in character for him. I'm holding off judgement for now and watching to see how things go.

So, short and sweet: I thought I had a reason yesterDay, but, on reflection, I'm not so sure anymore. He's still red-tinted on my list, but he's not in the red. Orange, maybe. Or maybe burnt sienna.

[Nerwen]

YesterDay, I was mainly using my vote to try to protect Boro. I should have voted for Glirdy, but I was frazzled after a long afternoon out with my 18-month-old daughter, Bom had ticked me off for some reason, and time was running out. So, I picked him.

But toDay, after looking through his posting history on this game and the other two he's been a part of, I see that most to all of what he posted yesterDay was in character for him. I'm holding off judgement for now and watching to see how things go.

So, short and sweet: I thought I had a reason yesterDay, but, on reflection, I'm not so sure anymore. He's still red-tinted on my list, but he's not in the red. Orange, maybe. Or maybe burnt sienna.

But– "for some reason"? Did you suspect him at the time?

[Eruhen]

Yes, I did. I thought that some of his earlier posts were rather Wolf-ish, but like I've said, after re-reading the thread and the other WW games he was in, I see that he's just being Bom.

Things like this (post 11):

. . . You know I was actually happy to be in this movie? But now I've half a mind to go postal on the lot of you! Killers and innocents alike, all dead . . . except for me of course. *sits a moment in utter glee*

and this (post 45):

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

...stuck out at me.

[Galadriel55]

So, instead, you threw away a vote on someone who very likely wouldn't be lynched, instead of voting to save the claimed Gifted role?

Or to save a desparate wolf, mind.

Whatever.

Yes, I did. I thought that some of his earlier posts were rather Wolf-ish, but like I've said, after re-reading the thread and the other WW games he was in, I see that he's just being Bom.

Things like this (post 11):

and this (post 45):

...stuck out at me.

I see where you're comming from, and I also see why Nerwen is so suspicious. The posts you quote are not exactly "normal", true. However, would you write any such a thing as a wolf? Would you point on your wolvishness so obviously?

It is strange to me that you chose two posts that don't scream anything except for "Bom's weirdness" to me. I find his other posts more suspicious.

You said that "he's just being Bom". Yet is is also possible that he's just being a Bomwolf. What say thou?

Anyways, I want to hear from Bom - what does he think about all this, and what does he have to say in answer.

[Nerwen]

Yes, I did. I thought that some of his earlier posts were rather Wolf-ish, but like I've said, after re-reading the thread and the other WW games he was in, I see that he's just being Bom.
Actually, I'd say Bom's too new to have a fully-established style yet– for which reason I'm trying not to read too much of the fact that, in my opinion, he's playing differently from the way he did in his first two games. It's the kind of bouncy quality I've quite often seen in first time wolves– on the other hand, you'd think even an inexperienced wolf would know better than to point out "gifteds" on the thread– that's more of a cobbler's stunt. (Got Boro to reveal, though.)

Anyway I still don't understand why you're calling your vote a "throwaway", Eruhen. I mean, it basically was one, actually, but for a completely different reasons– i.e. that it was so unlikely to be effective.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

[Eruhen]

Oh, I'm still suspicious of him. Just not enough to be willing to vote for him. Yet.

I think, however, I'm going to bow out for a couple hours and let other people talk. For a Saturday, it's been awful quiet. It's been mostly G55, Nerwen, Shasta, and me.

Where is everyone? We don't want a repeat of yesterDay, do we?

edit: It was a throwaway mainly because I wasn't thinking when I made it. If I'd been smart and keep Boro around for another day, I wouldn't have voted for Bom to make a three-way tie; I'd have voted for Glirdy. RL got in the way of WW. That's not going to happen toDay, though.

Talk, people!

[Galadriel55]

Oh, I'm still suspicious of him. Just not enough to be willing to vote for him. Yet.

Do you currently have a better candidate (asking mostly out of curiosity)? Also, why "yet"? I think "any more" would be more appropriate.

Where is everyone? We don't want a repeat of yesterDay, do we?

THIS.

TALK, PEOPLE!

[Eruhen]

Do you currently have a better candidate (asking mostly out of curiosity)? Also, why "yet"? I think "any more" would be more appropriate.

No, I don't. BECAUSE NO ONE IS TALKING!!!!!

The 'yet' is because I haven't heard anything new from him. OR ANYONE ELSE!

[Nerwen]

I'm going to have to go, and may not be back before DL.

So–

++Eruhen.

Eruhen, I believe this is your first game, so sorry if this is all just you trying to get the hang of things. All the same, the amount of backtracking and seeming evasiveness in your recent posting really does not look good.

EDIT:X'd with Eruhen.

[Galadriel55]

Players that I am ok with:

Nerwen (acute and reasonable as always)
Boro (who I think is likelier to be Hunter than Wolf)
Foley (not too much from her, but she seems reasonable enough)
Eonwe (I don't know why... he just doesn't sound wolf)

Players I'm not that ok with:

Bom
Eruhen

Players I haven't decided about:

Eomer
Cabbie
Shasta (he was picky about the votes, but that doesn't make him a wolf...)

Players that I need more info from:

Sally
Tum (I remember him saying on the Admin thread that he won't have Internet access for a while...)

[Bom Tombadillo]

People think I'm weird! Yaaaay!

Sorry for not posting more (since everybody seems to want to hear from me): gaming kept my attention last night, and staying up playing said game made me sleep in far too long.

I find it interesting that Boromir88 lived through the night: if I were a wolf, I would've decided that the odds were good that he didn't have one (especially with his suspicions of yours truly) and killed him. But! That could equally mean that we have a cautious/manipulative wolf pack counting on us innocents doing their dirty work (or that they saw something in Inzilarond that they thought was more dangerous). So, no conclusion there, really

As for those asking for answers from me . . . well. I really can't think of a way to prove my innocence (maybe later, when my brain is working better), so all I can do is proclaim my innocence (something you lot are as likely to believe as that Gandalf was secretly Sauron).

EDIT: X'd with G55. "Not that ok?" Hmph!
EDIT2: Random additional thought.

[Galadriel55]

...all I can do is proclaim my innocence (something you lot are as likely to believe as that Gandalf was secretly Sauron).

Innocent or not, this made me laugh! :D

[autume98]

Tum (I remember him saying on the Admin thread that he won't have Internet access for a while...)

I'm actually a female. ;)

I've read through all the posts, and all I can say is "wow". Seems like a flurry of crazy voting on Day 1. I will say that as I was reading them, my head was fuzzy. Colds tend to do that to my brain. ;)

I have no idea who looks suspicous at this moment. I almost get the feeling like we're going through another Day 1. Granted there's a little more to go off of, but I really don't get the sense that there is a lot to go off on.

I do apologize for not being around yesterDay. Even though I didn't have Internet access I still wish that I could have been around. I know how important it is to have people around and talking to make voting for someone much easier.

I'll have to see if I can clear my head a bit to make some more sense of all that has gone on.

[Galadriel55]

I'm actually a female.

Oooops! My bad! :o

I'm glad you're here. Unlike some others. >.<

I'll be going away soon for a couple hours (hopefully t will stay that, and not turn into a day-long trip again :rolleyes:), and I really hope there will be some intriguing discussion going on by the time I get back, not three or four people shooting posts at eachother. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I find it interesting that Boromir88 lived through the night: if I were a wolf, I would've decided that the odds were good that he didn't have one (especially with his suspicions of yours truly) and killed him. But! That could equally mean that we have a cautious/manipulative wolf pack counting on us innocents doing their dirty work (or that they saw something in Inzilarond that they thought was more dangerous). So, no conclusion there, really

Interesting thought. Presuming that Boro is the Hunter, the wolves might consider him safe to leave. He's not the seer; if no-one touches him, he can't use his power. But is this ignoring the point that he's a potential known innocent? Probably better to kill off the hunter at the start of the game if you can, so it's more likely he'll have no idea who the wolves are and he'll hunt an innocent.

Yes, they might be counting on us lynching him, but this is pretty risky.

At this stage, chances of catching the Seer are not high. This means I see three options:

1. Boro is a wolf, playing us for fools.

2. Boro is innocent; wolves seriously believe Inzil is the seer.

3. Boro is innocent; wolves not sure about Inzil but, rightly or wrongly, choose to ignore Boro.

I believe option 3 suggests wolves who are not thinking very carefully. And I think it's the less likely option.

I don't see how option 1 would aid the wolves in any way. The real Hunter could appear at any moment.

Option 2 is the most likely. So we lynch one of Inzil's targets today. Bom or McCaber.

[Eruhen]

The more I from and think about Bom, the more I think he's a Cobbler, not a Wolf. So, he's on my grey list for the foreseeable future.

Cabbbie, have anything to add? Why'd you vote for Zil?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sorry, Eruhen. I don't really know why I thought you were a girl. :eek:

In other news, Bom has finally posted, and even with all the suspicion against him, posted nothing but "I swear I'm innocent!" Lovely. G55 has also done nothing to allay my suspicions of her.

Eruhen, you say this -
Oh, I'm still suspicious of him. Just not enough to be willing to vote for him. Yet.

And then you say you don't have anyone else to be suspicious of since no one is talking. Has this changed, at all?

Also, Eruhen, there isn't a cobbler in this game, I don't think.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I still can't think what I can do to prove my innocence to the rest of you at the moment. If people are convinced that I'm a wolf, there's nothing I can do to change their minds (unless something extraordinary happens).

Anyway, while I hate that I'm on the target list there, Eomer is making sense.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Anyway, while I hate that I'm on the target list there, Eomer is making sense.

It's cold, unfeeling logic, my friend. But, if you are innocent, fear not: sometimes there's just nothing you can do - and that goes for our wolves as well.

[Boromir88]

For my part, I'm mostly staying silent so the wolves in particular have no idea what I plan to do. But that's not helpful to voting and finding a wolf today.

I will say at least for tonight I have no intentions of hunting Sally or Shasta, which means I have no intentions to vote for them either. Everyone else? Well, we'll wait and see what happens.

G55 I'm feeling meh...ok, conflicted? Can't fault her for being involved more than most, but she's also said some straight inaccurate things. I think Eonwe pointed out both of them. Probably won't vote for her today.

If it means anything, believe it or not Bom, I think it more likely you were getting set up as an easy lynch today. As you said, wolves would figure I would hunt you last night, and since they decided to go for Inzil would hope we'd take that to mean you were a wolf. Which means we'd have some tricksy, sly wolves on our hands. Or you really are a wolf, pack figured I'd hunt you, which means I couldn't choose you again tonight, and thus plan to kill me next, on the chances I wouldn't have one of the other two tonight?

I need to go back to consider this Inzil-seer-McCaber thing.

[satansaloser2005]

++G55

She reminds me far too much of Wolfadriel, and I'll admit I don't have time to study the thread too closely. It's sort of a gut vote, but what I've seen supports it. Let's hope I'm right. ;)

I likely won't be back toDay, as I'll be confined to my phone and the signal is rubbish at camp. Behave while I'm gone, and don't try to steal away my loyal fans.

*poses for the cameras, walks off*

Also, we need to have a talk about this script. There aren't nearly enough opportunities for Merry to fell a troll or kick a ball in a heroic fashion. Isn't this supposed to be an action movie?

[Eruhen]

Sorry, Eruhen. I don't really know why I thought you were a girl. :eek:

In other news, Bom has finally posted, and even with all the suspicion against him, posted nothing but "I swear I'm innocent!" Lovely. G55 has also done nothing to allay my suspicions of her.

Eruhen, you say this -


And then you say you don't have anyone else to be suspicious of since no one is talking. Has this changed, at all?

Also, Eruhen, there isn't a cobbler in this game, I don't think.

OK, so I was wrong on the Cobbler. Thought there was. That's what I get for not re-reading the Admin thread before the game starts.

Anyway, Bom's still off my list. Right now, I'm leaning more toward McCaber, but I want to hear what he has to say about his vote yesterDay.

All he's said about his vote was what he said in the vote post (#92):

Well, now I'm willing to give Boromir the benefit of the doubt, even if he is mistaken on how the rules work. And I don't have a whole lot of ideas on others, because all the analysis came out within ten minutes of the DL. So a wild shot in the dark would be

++Inziladun

Because he kind of tripped my radar, and voted for me. Vengeance is mine!

Since then, he's been a submarine.

So, Cabbie, what about Zil tripped your radar?

[Eruhen]

In other news, the vote count right now is:

Nerwen --> Eruhen (1)
Sally --> G55 (1)

Little more than three hours to DL, folks.

[autume98]

I love when I lose my work. I was getting ready to make a post when it seems like I hit the wrong key and lost my work.

In short I think it's a good idea to check into Bom and Cab. If one of them thought that Inzil was on to them, it would make sense for them to kill him.

I also think that it might be a good idea to check into the first three people who posted.

Well, I was going to post an analysis of Bom and why I voted for him, but now that I look through his posting history, I'm not seeing anything that OOC (for Bom, at least ). So, it would appear that my vote yesterDay was a throw-away.

Not that it mattered, since it came after DL, but that's beside the point.

So, looks like I'm back where I started. I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

So, that makes G55, Foley, and... um... me. Hmmm. Didn't think that one through all that well. Back to the drawing board...

To me this can come across as someone just trying to come across as innocent. Then again Eruhen could just be innocent. I am going to have to think some more about this.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++MCCABER

Because of Inzil's vote. Otherwise, I can't see why the wolves would have killed him. Willing to give Bom the benefit of the doubt for now, although would not be opposed to his lynching.

[autume98]

I just got done looking at Cabbie's posts and there isn't a lot to go on. The only thing that there is to go on is his vote for Inzil.

Now I'm going to take a look at Bom's posts.

[Eönwë]

pack figured I'd hunt you, which means I couldn't choose you again tonight, and thus plan to kill me next, on the chances I wouldn't have one of the other two tonight?
Wait, does that mean that you have to change pick each Night?

edit: Yes, I'm back a bit early.

[Eönwë]

For my part, I'm mostly staying silent so the wolves in particular have no idea what I plan to do. But that's not helpful to voting and finding a wolf today.
If you are a wolf this is a very clever way to not need to state your opinions clearly. Right now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, because it does make sense that you don't want the wolves to know who you find suspicious and so will be choosing, but if you're a wolf you're basically giving yourself free rein to do whatever you want.

edit: x-ed with no-one. Where are ye?

[autume98]

I just got done looking at Bom. Inzil definitely showed some suspicion toward's Bom. In the end Inzil voted for Cabbie. At one time it did look like Inzil might go after Bom. I didn't really see anything that Bom posted that caused suspicion. What is suspicious is that Inzil had suspicions about Bom and then the wolves kill Inzil

I think Cabbie might have voted for Inzil as a vengeance vote.

Just looking at who the wolves killed, Bom looks the most suspicious.

Here's a post to look at by Inzil. Here's (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659324&postcount=55) a list on Bom by Inzil.

Later Inzil posted:
Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

Then he posted:
It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.

Inzil then gives a list of the votes, and then he ends with this post:
I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

x/d with all since #73. Well, at least the Seer's got some good leads now....

[Eönwë]

The possibilities that I can see for last Night's kill:

1) Particularly aimed at Inzil:
a) Inzil seemed a likely Seer.
b) Inzil was drawing too much attention to a wolf.


2) Inzil because he seemed a good option:
a) Boro seemed to find Bom suspicious. Bom is a wolf and didn't want to be hunted.
b) Wolves were reluctant to kill a hunter as he might have chosen one of them. But looking at Boro's posts, most of his attacks seem to be on Bom, so this is basically just 2a.
c) No-one was suspecting Inzil, so the wolves wanted to take him out early on themselves.


3) Inzil as a diversion/plan:
a) Inzil suspected McCaber and Bom. The wolves want to set those two up.
b) Wolves want to set up Bom in particular by making it seem as though 2a us the case (Possibly strengthened by 3a).
c) Boro is a wolf. He wants to set up Bom, which is why he mentioned 2a (to bring it up) and 3b (to distance himself from it). It could also involve 3a to strengthen the case against Bom.
d) Wolves want to set up Boro by making 3c seem a possibility.


So, looking at this, the two people whose deaths would tell us the most would be Boro and Bom, though I'm not sure whether I'm willing to vote for either of them. I'm willing to accept Boro as a hunter for now, and I've never played against Bom before, so while he looks suspicious, I don't know what to expect from him.

[Eönwë]

On the other hand, looking at my previous post, 1a and 1b both point to McCaber more than Bom.

But Bom seems more suspicious than McCaber to me at the moment.

Also, this post (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659400&postcount=109) makes me suspect G55 for some reason. I'm not sure why.


Time to reread.

[Boromir88]

Wait, does that mean that you have to change pick each Night?

edit: Yes, I'm back a bit early.

I will more than likely change my pick each night.

If you are a wolf this is a very clever way to not need to state your opinions clearly. Right now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, because it does make sense that you don't want the wolves to know who you find suspicious and so will be choosing, but if you're a wolf you're basically giving yourself free rein to do whatever you want.


If you believe it now, believe it now. If you don't then don't. I don't see how your opinion will change in a few days if say I'm not killed yet. Either way, kill me at night, or leave me to live if the village decides to lynch me, there is going to be the chance I take a wolf with me.

It would make my job easier if a wolf wants to try to counter reveal please?

[Eruhen]

So, is the Cabbie-sub ever going to surface? I'm leaning toward him, but I'd like to hear from him before voting.

[Eönwë]

I don't see how your opinion will change in a few days if say I'm not killed yet.
Well, the longer you stay alive, the more chance you have of taking a wolf with you, and so the more suspicious you'll look (as it would be assumed that the wolves would kill you before such a thing could occur if you really were the hunter).

[autume98]

I'm going to put in my vote for ++Bom. After doing the research, earlier he's the one that seems most suspicious at this time.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Is there another hour until deadline?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Is there another hour until deadline?

Yes. Here and reading.

[Eruhen]

Time's starting to run out, folks.

Count stands at:

Nerwen --> Eruhen (1)
Sally --> G55 (1)
Eomer --> Cabbie (1)
Tum --> Bom (1)

A four-way tie with eight people still to vote, and an hour till DL? Come on, people.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eruhen and G55 look like bad votes to me. Bom or Cab are the options.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

OK, so I was wrong on the Cobbler. Thought there was. That's what I get for not re-reading the Admin thread before the game starts.

Anyway, Bom's still off my list.

Since Bom obviously can't be a cobbler, why is he still "off your list"? The only thing he's posted all day is "I'm innocent, promise".

Eonwe, why did you vote Sally yesterday? That's another vote that made no sense to me.

[Galadriel55]

I'm back and reading what has been said in my absense. At this moment, the most suspicious person around is Bom. Jokes or not, but his posts don't sound good to me at all (they sound a bit unnatural, for some reason). McC doesn't look very good either based on Zil, as has been said before (by me as well), but he hasn't appeared toDay to shed any light on the situation from his perspective.

Edit: xed with Shasta and Eomer

[Galadriel55]

ETA: Eruhen is another one that I don't like (as is, I think, evident from some of my posts from before), but to a lesser degree.

[Eruhen]

Bom is off my red list because, barring further posts with content from him, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's still orange, though.

I personally suspect both Bom and Cabbie, but Cabbie seems much more suspicious. Bom just seems like Bom, but Cabbie has said nary a thing all game and nothing all Day. If I don't hear a good defense of his vote for Zil yesterDay, he's getting my vote toDay.

[Boromir88]

Well, the longer you stay alive, the more chance you have of taking a wolf with you, and so the more suspicious you'll look (as it would be assumed that the wolves would kill you before such a thing could occur if you really were the hunter).

Well if they want to wait and see if the village suspects me enough to lynch me, all the better. Either way, they'd risk losing one of theirs if I'm killed.

Ball is in their court, and I'm adopting a "wait and see" what they want to do attitude. If it appears they're cool with keeping around a known innocent, then I'm going to have to become a bigger pain in the butt. Thorn in the side? Arrow in their heart? ;)

With that my vote is leaning towards McCaber or Bom today, with a close watch placed on Eomer and G55.

Has McCaber been on today? The Inzil vote yesterday does look interesting and out of the blue, so I can see the wolves hoping they spotted the seer early. Whoever the seer is, accept an apology, I was hoping to act as one and thus get the wolves to kill me, but well circumstances yesterday stopped me from doing that. And I was really hoping for more out of Bom than "I'm innocent I don't know how to make you all believe it."

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well if they want to wait and see if the village suspects me enough to lynch me, all the better. Either way, they'd risk losing one of theirs if I'm killed.

Ball is in their court, and I'm adopting a "wait and see" what they want to do attitude. If it appears they're cool with keeping around a known innocent, then I'm going to have to become a bigger pain in the butt. Thorn in the side? Arrow in their heart? ;)

With that my vote is leaning towards McCaber or Bom today, with a close watch placed on Eomer and G55.

Has McCaber been on today? The Inzil vote yesterday does look interesting and out of the blue, so I can see the wolves hoping they spotted the seer early. Whoever the seer is, accept an apology, I was hoping to act as one and thus get the wolves to kill me, but well circumstances yesterday stopped me from doing that. And I was really hoping for more out of Bom than "I'm innocent I don't know how to make you all believe it."

Don't worry, Boro. I think the Ranger is going to get a good hint today.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I personally suspect both Bom and Cabbie, but Cabbie seems much more suspicious. Bom just seems like Bom, but Cabbie has said nary a thing all game and nothing all Day. If I don't hear a good defense of his vote for Zil yesterDay, he's getting my vote toDay.

Which is just like McCaber - he's always a submarine. You can't use that reasoning for Bom and not use it for McCaber as well (I know you haven't played with McCaber before, but still.)

I really don't understand how McCaber can be "much more suspicious" than Bom when all he's done thus far is vote for Inzil.

[Eönwë]

Eonwe, why did you vote Sally yesterday? That's another vote that made no sense to me.

This (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659409&postcount=117)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

This (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=659409&postcount=117)

...I was hoping for a bit more than "Oh, I didn't think she was posting enough", seriously.

[Eruhen]

Which is just like McCaber - he's always a submarine. You can't use that reasoning for Bom and not use it for McCaber as well (I know you haven't played with McCaber before, but still.)

I really don't understand how McCaber can be "much more suspicious" than Bom when all he's done thus far is vote for Inzil.

Because Zil got offed. I'd like to know his reasoning for his vote, considering the circumstances, as I've said before.

[Eönwë]

...I was hoping for a bit more than "Oh, I didn't think she was posting enough", seriously.
It was Day 1. Do you really expect me to have built a solid case for why someone was evil based on the very limited and almost nonexistent discussions of Day 1? You only voted Glirdan to save Boro, and actually had nothing whatsoever against him as far as I can see. Even Boro didn't vote Glirdan, as in that one minute the voting could have gone in any direction. And what I said is that she was posting only IC- the fact that she posted very little was less important than that.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I would gamble on Bom being innocent, actually. Therefore, I suggest to vote McCaber.

[Galadriel55]

I would gamble on Bom being innocent, actually. Therefore, I suggest to vote McCaber.

Can you please elaborate?

[Eönwë]

Eomer, if you're evil, I'll have to re-evaluate all my judgements in this game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It was Day 1. Do you really expect me to have built a solid case for why someone was evil based on the very limited and almost nonexistent discussions of Day 1? You only voted Glirdan to save Boro, and actually had nothing whatsoever against him as far as I can see.

That is not in the slightest what I was asking for, and you know it, or should. I'm getting increasingly tired of the attitude that "oh day 1 is worthless, let's throw our votes around like candy because it won't matter!" which is basically all I saw yesterday. And we can see how that almost turned out. Sally always posts in IC on the first day, and I believe she said she wouldn't be around much. At least I tried to vote where it would accomplish something. Come on - I don't recall anyone being suspicious of Sally at all yesterday. You can't possibly have expected her to be lynched.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eonwe, G55, Eruhen all probably innocent. I think Bom is innocent too.

Yeah, it almost feels lame doing it like this, but...

:smokin:

[Boromir88]

I would gamble on Bom being innocent, actually. Therefore, I suggest to vote McCaber.

That's what I was leaning towards based on the wolves would assume I would hunt him last night and if they thought Zil was the seer, their train of thought...nab the seer, Bom is set up to lynch the next day.

I'd still like Bom to say something besides trying to be the martyr.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ah! Eonwe and G55 both questioning me. Look back, you two, and see what you have in common. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I have serious doubts that they're all innocent.

++G55

Most suspicious to me currently.

[Galadriel55]

Ah! Eonwe and G55 both questioning me. Look back, you two, and see what you have in common. :)

I just want a clarification. I wasn't questioning you as a suspect. :)

[Eönwë]

Ah! Eonwe and G55 both questioning me. Look back, you two, and see what you have in common. :)
I wasn't questioning you. The problem was that I've found myself agreeing with you more than the reasonable amount this game.

I'd still like Bom to say something besides trying to be the martyr. Definitely.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Obviously, it's not certain, but G55 looks rather innocent now.

I would really like to know McCaber's role.

[Galadriel55]

Most suspicious to me currently.

I have a knack of being suspicious. :) However, I think there are better vote candidates around.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I have a knack of being suspicious. :) However, I think there are better vote candidates around.

Pfft! You are suspicious when you are acting wolfish and being caught in the act by the seer. ;)

[Eruhen]

That's certainly interesting, Eomer, especially considering how last game turned out.

By the way, I'm so glad you dropped the Scots.

[Loslote]

Ten minutes until DL, guys.

[Eönwë]

What worries me is that maybe none out of the Boro-McCaber-Bom trio are wolves, and that the actual wolves are hiding more sneakily.

[Eönwë]

I have a knack of being suspicious. :) However, I think there are better vote candidates around.
You were giving me evil vibes earlier on, but I'm not sure now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's certainly interesting, Eomer, especially considering how last game turned out.

By the way, I'm so glad you dropped the Scots.

Ca' mind foo i last gemme panned oot, min.

[Galadriel55]

I don't know about Cabbie, but my suspiciouns on Bom remain.

++BOM

Edit: xed with Eomer. I have no clue what you're saying. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What worries me is that maybe none out of the Boro-McCaber-Bom trio are wolves, and that the actual wolves are hiding more sneakily.

Two of them certainly are. ;)

[Boromir88]

I have serious doubts that they're all innocent.


Agreed.

Eruhen looks to be playing the safest, but won't vote for him today, as he gets accustomed to WW.

Eonwe is starting to look defensive in his replies to Shasta. Fair questions too by Shasta wondering why he was the only one who voted for Glirdan after I revealed. Although he's had to point out several times already his reasons for voting sally yesterday.

It would have been smarter had I voted for Glirdan, but I made that decision more based on emotion of not wanting to see Glirdan lynched on Day 1 yet again. Particularly since the only reason would be to not lynch me.

And G55 not much has changed since what I said previously. She's involved and interested in this game (yay!) but has also been inaccurate in a few things.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ach...

Kill Nerwen AND Shasta with fire! And then kill their ashes!

Ranger - Protect! ^^

[Galadriel55]

What worries me is that maybe none out of the Boro-McCaber-Bom trio are wolves, and that the actual wolves are hiding more sneakily.

Quite possible. But the three most suspicious people around so far are the trio you name. I can't drop my suspicions just because they might not be the wolves at all - it doesn't even make sense when I say it.

Edit: xed since my last

[Eönwë]

Two of them certainly are. ;)

But what if it's none? What if it's Nerwen and Shasta and G55?

edit: WHAT? WHAT? If Eomer really is the seer, I just had the most ridiculously lucky guess ever!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Vote McCaber. I'm genuinely curious if he is the last wolf.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Oh. My. God. None of this showed up for me until I tried to reply . . .

++McCaber

Because Eomer's reasoning made sense.

[Eruhen]

++McCaber

[Boromir88]

++McCaber

If this isn't a trick Eomer I love you. I love you. I love you,

[Galadriel55]

But what if it's none? What if it's Nerwen and Shasta and G55?

I know at least one of them is innocent. ;):smokin:

edit: WHAT? WHAT? If Eomer really is the seer, I just had the most ridiculously lucky guess ever!

Do you really want to shout about anyone being the Seer?

Edit: xed with a host of votes

[Eönwë]

++McCaber

Makes sense, I suppose.

[Loslote]

DL. Stop talking.

[Loslote]

Shaken and disturbed after finding Zil's corpse, the cast disposed of the body in one of the bottomless pits.

"So who'd want to kill Zil?" Galadriel55 wondered.

"They were either threatened by him or wanted to make people say 'kill Zil' beacause it rhymed," Sally said.

"Somehow, I don't think rhyming was the motive here," Foley said.

"Zil suspected Bom," Boro pointed out.

"Oh, not this again," Bom said.

"He also suspected McCaber," Eomer said. "Let's kill him."

"Or we could kill Galadriel55," Shasta said.

"Or Bom, I liked that idea," Tum said.

"No, seriously," Eomer said. "Kill McCaber."

"Oh, fine," Eonwe said, picking up a rock. "McCaber it is."

McCaber looked between Eonwe and his rock and Eruhen, who'd taken a step forward threateningly, and tried to pull a Gandalf - he stepped backwards off the edge of the bottomless pit and fell. But unlike Gandalf, no Eagle came to catch and save him.

"...hey," Boro said, "that was in my script."

"Are you a murderer?" Foley yelled down after him.

"No!" McCaber called up, his voice growing fainter. "I was as ordindary as it gets for an actor of my caliber."

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo
Zil as Elrond the Ordo
McCaber as Aragorn the Ordo

Night 3 has begun. Send in your various picks.

[Loslote]

That night, the three actors debated who to kill listlessly. They'd agreed that they had to keep going now. Even if they'd tried to back out, the other actors would kill them the moment they found them. They had no choice but to kill again toNight. They made their choice quickly. No one really wanted to argue, and they all agreed that the sooner they got this over with, the better.

But when they arrived at the trailer, they found someone else waiting for them.

"Is that a...ski mask?" one of the murderers asked.

"You notice the ski mask first?" another said. "Instead of, say, the machete?"

"I have access to the props department," the Ranger explained.

"Yeah, yeah, got that, but...why not a sword, or a bow, or something cool?"

"I don't know how to use those."

"And you know how to use a machete?"

"I once killed a snake with one. Long story."

"And...you're not going to let us past."

"That'd kind of defeat the purpose of getting all suited up like this, wouldn't it?"

The third murderer shrugged. "You could always join us."

"Put those machete skills to good use," added the second.

"I've already got a use," the Ranger said, swinging wildly at the murderers.

"Pity," the first murderer said, walking backwards into the shadows. "This could've been a lot more fun. I suppose we'll have to kill you eventually."

The Ranger looked around. The murderers had faded into the shadows. "Wait!" he yelled suddenly, realizing that he still didn't know who they were. "Come back!"

But the only answer he got was a quiet laugh, so quiet he didn't know for sure whether or not he'd imagined it.

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
Shasta as Legolas
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo
Zil as Elrond the Ordo
McCaber as Aragorn the Ordo

Day 3 has begun.

[Boromir88]

That's interesting, they must have gone for the revealed Eomer (are you doing the uncloaking now!? Unkilting? :eek: ), who was thus protected. I thought the wolves would have wanted to go down more honorably as I had Shasta on my night hunt, for whatever it's worth.

[Bom Tombadillo]

So . . . either the wolves planned for the Ranger protecting the fake-revealing Eomer and attacked one of their own,

OR

Eomer is really the Seer and Nerwolf and Shastanis Wolfthreduin need to die,

OR

the wolves attacked somebody entirely different, who the Ranger protected. This is pretty much the least likely of the three after Eomer's reveal as Seer.

[Galadriel55]

Oi! I was slow yesterday! Commenting about shouting about the Seer after a reveal! :rolleyes:

Nice job, Ranger! Now, however true or false the reveals happen to be, you know one innocent...

Now, back to business. How likely are the options Bom listed?

a)Eomer is a fake-revealing wolf whom the wolves went after and the Ranger protected:

There is a chance that Eomer is a fake revealing wolf. However, if that is the case, I think that the intended target was not him but someone else altogether. If the victim-to-be was Eomer, the wolves probably thought that the Ranger would think that they would think the Ranger would protect Eomer and not protect him (what a brain-twister...), so they went for him. So did the Ranger.

The thing that really speaks for this argument is the slim chance of dreaming twice and getting 2 wolves - 100% efficiency! Pretty rare!

b) Eomer is the Seer who revealed Shasta and Nerwen as wolves:

The only way to prove it is to lynch one of them. Unless Eomer is the fake-revealing wolf described in (a) and revealed his packmates. Which could make things complicated.

c) The wolves and the Ranger had a target other than Eomer:

I also think this is the unlikeliest option. Whom? Not Boro (unless he's one of them, so then obviously not), since Eomer revealed two wolves, and one of them would be Boro's pick (which he says it was). Who else would be such a choice that both the wolves and the Ranger would pick them?



There is also the question that if Eomer really dreamed about Nerwen&Shasta and the wolves got scared - would they try to kill Eomer and thus doom two of them? However, it might save the last survivor. If they left Eomer alive, he might dream of the last wolf and hence leave no chances at all.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I agree totally, G55 - regardless, the best way to be sure is to lynch Nerwen or Shasta, since no matter what happens, we have at least one known wolf.

[Galadriel55]

I agree totally, G55 - regardless, the best way to be sure is to lynch Nerwen or Shasta, since no matter what happens, we have at least one known wolf.

That's my plan.

OMG! Me and Bom actually agreed on something! What happened? :eek:

/kidding. ;)


Now seriously. If the one that we lynch turns out to be a wolf, then the other is also. If not - Eomer is a fake revealing wolf.

Unless fake-revealing-Eomer revealed one wolf and one random innocent... uh-oh...

But I think the plan is still worth trying.

What do you others say?

[Boromir88]

I'm not going to doubt Eomer's reveal at all, simply since it all fits together.

Remember my "apology" to the seer and Eomer replied how he thought the ranger would get a very good hint on who to protect next night. Then seeing as even though I said I would be placing him under closer watch, he was in absolutely no danger of being lynched. And a seer with 2 dreamt wolves, definitely a good time to come forwards.

I have no particular care for what order. I know Shasta said before he would be leaving on the big trip, so I doubt we'll be hearing from him at all, especially if he's an outed wolf. But that leaves Nerwen to mess around for a few days if she decides to want to have fun.

What we should get on with today is agree either lynch Nerwen or Shasta today. Get that settled and start looking for the 3rd wolfy.

[Boromir88]

X'ed with G55. You're thinking too much in that post.

If Eomer is faking it then the real seer would be smart to step forward now. (Note though, that if you are Nerwen or Shasta I won't believe you. ;))

[Galadriel55]

X'ed with G55. You're thinking too much in that post.

If Eomer is faking it then the real seer would be smart to step forward now. (Note though, that if you are Nerwen or Shasta I won't believe you. ;))

True, that. :)

[Nerwen]

I don't know what Eomer's playing at, but I can assure you, he's not the Seer.

Ask yourselves why a Seer with two wolves in the bag, which he's apparently claiming, would spend the Day driving that hard to lynch an unknown– an absent one at that?

[Eönwë]

Ask yourselves why a Seer with two wolves in the bag, which he's apparently claiming, would spend the Day driving that hard to lynch an unknown– an absent one at that?

Yeah, that is one thing I found a bit strange. Dreaming you and Shasta is reasonable but that seemed like quite an odd tactic at the time.

Doesn't mean I trust you at all now, but you do make a fair point.

[Galadriel55]

Ask yourselves why a Seer with two wolves in the bag, which he's apparently claiming, would spend the Day driving that hard to lynch an unknown– an absent one at that?

I asked myself that before. And I answered: we have 2 known wolves. We need to find the third. Eomer seemed genuinely curious about Cabbie's role. If he wasn't lynched, Eomer would have probably wasted a dream on him. Plus, his job as the Seer would be to find all wolves. He revealed 2 of them to the village - we can take care of them even without him. While he's still with us, he wants to find the last wolf.

Does this make any sense to you?

Anyways, if he is not the Seer, as you say, you and Shasta aren't wolves. We shall see when we find out your roles.

Edit: xed with Steve

[Eruhen]

Well, that was an interesting Night and this is turning out to be an interesting Day. I'm turning in the night, but I'll be back bright and early tomorrow to take a look at what's happening.

Continue discussing.

[satansaloser2005]

I've been upstaged, and I don't like it.

Eomer better provide some bloody solid reasoning for his actions (or lack of actions) yesterDay, and he better provide it quick, because I don't know why he wouldn't have said what he did earlier in the Day if he was telling the complete truth.

I can't stay, alas. My people (read, campers) need me!

[Boromir88]

I asked myself that before. And I answered: we have 2 known wolves. We need to find the third. Eomer seemed genuinely curious about Cabbie's role. If he wasn't lynched, Eomer would have probably wasted a dream on him. Plus, his job as the Seer would be to find all wolves. He revealed 2 of them to the village - we can take care of them even without him. While he's still with us, he wants to find the last wolf.

Does this make any sense to you?

Anyways, if he is not the Seer, as you say, you and Shasta aren't wolves. We shall see when we find out your roles.

Edit: xed with Steve

And he should have another dream for us today, who should be alive.

If it's the Ranger, probably best to keep quiet, but Eomer already knows what to do more than I do in this game.

[Galadriel55]

Yeah, that is one thing I found a bit strange. Dreaming you and Shasta is reasonable but that seemed like quite an odd tactic at the time.

Doesn't mean I trust you at all now, but you do make a fair point.

Looking at how little was known about anybody, I think Eomer just chose the two best/most dangerous/sharpest/etc players according to his experience just to be on the safe side.

Doesn't mean that I trust Eomer completely, but he seems Seerish enough to me.

Edit: xed with Sally and Boro. Yay! People posting! :D

[Nerwen]

I asked myself that before. And I answered: we have 2 known wolves. We need to find the third. Eomer seemed genuinely curious about Cabbie's role. If he wasn't lynched, Eomer would have probably wasted a dream on him. Plus, his job as the Seer would be to find all wolves. He revealed 2 of them to the village - we can take care of them even without him. While he's still with us, he wants to find the last wolf.

Does this make any sense to you?

Anyways, if he is not the Seer, as you say, you and Shasta aren't wolves. We shall see when we find out your roles.

But think about it. Eomer's main contribution yesterDay was to steer the lynch right away from any of the people who had actually acted suspiciously (yes, including you, G55), and towards McCaber, who hadn't, but who had been implicated by Zil's death (which is to say, he was framed, as I believe I suggested earlier). Then, at the last minute, with the lynch assured, he suddenly "revealed' two people he'd never mentioned before as "wolves". I would suggest that this is the action of a wolf who knew that he and/or his packmate(s) would otherwise be in the fire toMorrow, and wanted to take down an extra innocent, and perhaps force a Seer-reveal.

EDIT:X'd since G55 at #227; grammar.

[Eönwë]

Looking at how little was known about anybody, I think Eomer just chose the two best/most dangerous/sharpest/etc players according to his experience just to be on the safe side. Yeah, they make some of the sneakiest wolves ever, so it's not surprising that they were dreamed.

Also, while I'm inclined to believe Eomer's claim, at least for now, I still don't think the McCaber lynch was right. I mean, earlier on Eomer said something along the lines of "I'd really like to find out McCaber's role", and then uses everyone's trust to get them to attack McCaber, based on very little other than him being one of Inzil's suspects, when he is supposedly the Seer and could have let us kill a wolf to prove his seerdom. And that is why I'm still not sure how much I trust him.

And it's late now, and I don't think I can even type coherently, so I'm going to sleep now.


edit: x-ed with Nerwen, who makes a similar point but more violently.

[Galadriel55]

I want to see what Eomer has to say in defense. His reasoning would be more accurate than mine.

Plus, if he's truly the Seer and the Ranger protected him last Night, he only has one Day left. Is it in our interests to waste a lynch opportunity on him?

Anyways, I'm in for the night. Wonder what happens to this game while I'm gone.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Morning.

I didn't go after Nerwen or Shasta at all yesterday, that's correct. They had barely posted anything on Day One. There was no, shall we say, evidence to look back upon. By leaving it until the last minute, we at least have both of their Day Two machinations to assess.

Sorry about McCaber being ordo after all, but I think his was a useful lynch - as he had been implicated by Zil's slaying.

By the way: Bom's innocent. And thanks, Ranger. :)

[Boromir88]

Not to mention the attention you'd grab from Nerwen and/or Shasta if you went after them when they had posted so little. No worries, , you played it right, the wolves are just jealous.

Hello, seniya, while I welcome you to our ghouly 'Downs website, you must be signed up ahead of time to participate in the Werewolf games. This one has already been going on for a few days, sit tight, I'm sure a new one will open up soon after.

[Nerwen]

Sorry about McCaber being ordo after all, but I think his was a useful lynch - as he had been implicated by Zil's slaying.
Useful for you, anyway.

By the way: Bom's innocent. And thanks, Ranger. :)

So– is it you + Bom? Or are you trying to take innocent-Bom down with you? I wonder. Judging from Bom's posting toDay, I'm rather inclined to the former.

At least the third member of the pack is obvious:
That would be something, wouldn't it? But no, I'm sticking with one of the other three. Hmm. Reason might tell me to vote for Shasta, but my gut might tend toward Nog.....

++seniyajw Lynch him immediately!

EDIT:X'd with Boro.

[Eönwë]

I didn't go after Nerwen or Shasta at all yesterday, that's correct. They had barely posted anything on Day One. There was no, shall we say, evidence to look back upon. By leaving it until the last minute, we at least have both of their Day Two machinations to assess.
Yes, that is very true, and if you're talking to me, there's absolutely nothing I can criticise about that. What I was saying was a bit strange was the final "vote McCaber" stage in the last two minutes. You could've picked a known wolf, but instead picked someone you suspected. By tomorrow we could've had two known known wolves dead and an someone whose opinion we could trust as lacking in lycanthropy. But now we have less.




Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

edit: And yes, if you're the real seer, and not Eomer, you should've counter-revealed by now.

[Nerwen]

Yes, that is very true, and if you're talking to me, there's absolutely nothing I can criticise about that. What I was saying was a bit strange was the final "vote McCaber" stage in the last two minutes. You could've picked a known wolf, but instead picked someone you suspected. By tomorrow we could've had two known known wolves dead and an someone whose opinion we could trust as lacking in lycanthropy. But now we have less.




Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

edit: And yes, if you're the real seer, and not Eomer, you should've counter-revealed by now.

I'd been hoping to avoid that, but you're right– I can't leave it any longer. This game is going to be a terrible blot on my Seer-ing record, I'm afraid.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

:D

Sorry to do this to you, Nerwen. Just be thankful the third wolf has eluded me. The game will go on.

Eonwe, I accept that criticism. I was unsure how to act the whole day, and then decided to reveal as late as possible. As it happened, you are correct: even in those last few moments, we could have lynched either Shasta or Nerwen.

I suppose there was a degree of selfishness on my part: I really wanted to know McCaber's role so pushed for it.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around? No?

First things first: no, Boro is not a wolf. Just an innocent whom I suspect will be kicking himself toMorrow. I dreamed him Night Two, because his reveal looked fishy, especially the fact that actually he didn't know the way the Hunter-role worked. My Night One dream was Zil, on general principles, and last Night I dreamed Eruhen– not Eomer, because he was obviously evil, and because Eruhen was one of those I thought he might have been trying to save. Eruhen is, however, another innocent. This means I haven't managed to dream a wolf at all yet, which I am quite annoyed about, given my previous track record as a Seer. Oh well, it's not my fault you all had to look so suspicious.:rolleyes:

EDIT:X'd with Wolfimer.

[Galadriel55]

Wow. Just, wow. I'm speechless.

Is this the game of the reveals? Three reveals by Day 3 - and at least one fake?

Seeromer has a case against Seerwen, and she against him. One of them is a wolf. I won't exclude the possibility that both faked. Eomer's claims are more bold, and easier to prove. Nerwen complicates things. She revealed three innocents. How do we know she's not a wolf calling random innocents innocent? And picking Zil is just too convenient. On the other hand, this might be simpy unlucky and nothing wolvish.

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

[Galadriel55]

Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

Then Nerwen is a wolf as well, since she claims Boro to be innocent. This theory doesn't make much sense to me. Either Eomer is the only wolf out of those four, Nerwen&Shasta are wolves, or Eomer, Nerwen, and Shasta are all guilty. Or, Nerwen, Shasta, and Boro.

Shasta will of course be on Nerwen's side. Boro is on Eomer's. That doesn't really help us.

I think I'm overthinking it again.:rolleyes:

[Eruhen]

:eek::eek::eek:

Wow.

Um, need to take some time to re-read and analyse now.

TWO potential Seers, and at each others' throats, no less. This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

[Eruhen]

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...

[Nerwen]

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...
The trouble is, from my point of view this was obviously an attempt by Eomer of the Wolfirrim to salvage something from having stuck his neck out so far to get McCaber lynched– people making false Seer-reveals usually don't expect to survive long, they just want to do as much damage as possible to the village in the meanwhile, like flushing the real Seer, or getting an innocent killed, or just causing maximum confusion. So by lynching Shasta, we're basically giving this round to the wolves– Eomer would have known all along that once either of his "wolves" died, he was finished.

EDIT:X'd since G55 at #242.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...

If I voted Nerwen on Day One (she was my first dream) I would have painted a big target onto myself. In any case, killing Nerwen Day one would have done us no favours, as a village. There would be no trail.

We now have Nerwen's interactions from Day Two to pick over..

Nerwen (and Shasta) went after G55 and Eonwe on Day Two, before they had any inkling that the Seer (me) had caught them. Now, I'm hardly one to rule out wolf-on-wolf arguing, but taking things at face value, that's why I believe G55 and Eonwe probably innocent.

[Nerwen]

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...
No Ranger-reveals, please. If I'm still alive toNight, I'll need to be protected.

EDIT:X'd with Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

X'ed with G55If Eomer is faking it then the real seer would be smart to step forward now. (Note though, that if you are Nerwen or Shasta I won't believe you. ;))

It's funny how, out of all the innocent villagers there were, I picked our seer Nerwen to frame as a wolf. It's wonderfully convenient. :p

[Nerwen]

If I voted Nerwen on Day One (she was my first dream) I would have painted a big target onto myself. In any case, killing Nerwen Day one would have done us no favours, as a village. There would be no trail.
You know, in principle I agree that I'd be a logical person to pick for your Night One dream. But the trouble with your version of things, Eomer, is that by your account, on Night Two you for some reason chose to ignore the many people who had acted in a highly suspicious way, to dream someone who hadn't– who then turned out a wolf. Really?

EDIT: X'd with Eomer