TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Thinlómien]

Going to sleep now. I will be back well before the DL, and intend to look at Boro's posts and maybe others' posts about him too. That doesn't mean someone else couldn't do it, too.

[Inziladun]

To Inzil: I have nothing to say to you.

Nothing? Well, fine then. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iWvedIhWjM&feature=related) is for you. ;)

[Pomegranate]

Okay, Lottie, seriously. That's not relative sense in that sentence, whatever it is. If you meant it that way, it's barely confusing. And you're still seeming the most careful player there is in this game (maybe alongside Greenie), so it's funny you're accusing me of that.

Anyways, it's my time to go to sleep and tomorrow morning for once I have school so I can't be too much around. So here we go

++Boro

I'll be looking at Boro's posts a bit before going but I can't promise anything too deep just now.

[Pomegranate]

This tool longer than I thought it did. Anyways, I looked through Boro's posts for mentions on any of the people that are left (not on Lommy and Inzil, but the ones that are not confirmed). I think Greenie mentioned everything he said about myself.

Greenie: He talks about Greenie twice. Once because of a sharp point she made on day one, stating he doesn't want to see her lynched. Second time when he didn't like her and Legate's jumping against Eonwe's strong post about Nog.

Pitch: Does not like his rant about the uselessness of the Bom- lynch. Later agrees that his point was valid, but that the rant was still annoying.

Lottie: Mentions her once, saying he has something against her and Lommy, and then forgets her.

sally: nothing. Or, well, there's this



Your reaction though, it was unexpected seeing from you, because it was like reading one of my rants. "If you suspect me then suspect me!" And really over something that's normal, "Hey Rikae, what do you think about sally?" I can understand boiling over frustrations, but that was an immediate, highly-dramatic reaction.


which is actually an answer to G55. If he's truly mixing them up, that would be a point for sally, with G55 being innocent.

And then there's all the posts against Shasta. I don't really know what to think about it - it seems a little too serious to be a wolf-on-wolf, but would it be better being a wolf-on-innocent, with (until today) Shasta being the more probable to go first? I don't know.

Looking at this? I don't know. I think that since Boro confused sally and G55 it could mean that sally's innocent. In general he talks only a little about any of us. He states some kind of a pre-attack for both Pitch and Lottie (as in, I have something against this person, will clarify later), which in Pitch's case turns out to be the rant-post he didn't like (he didn't continue pursuing him after saying that) and with Lottie it just dies out.

Agh. I'm too tired to understand more about this, and to be honest, all these changes-of-view (first with Legate not being a wolf after all, now with Boro being one) are exhausting me. Good night, everyone! This time, for real.

[Nerwen]

Okay. I'm somewhere between jumping for joy and swearing right now. Jumping for joy, because, if true, Lommy has just made the day of the village. I'm pretty sure she's telling the truth here because I can't see her motivation of being otherwise - as Shasta said earlier today, if the acolyte, as it seems, took the side of the village tonight, we can technically afford to lose one innocent, so if Boro would be found out as such, it would be a suicide for her tomorrow. This also can't be a wolf plan decided during the night, because obviously the narration was up just today.

Just a note: the narration is not meant to indicate the Acolyte's choice in either direction.

~The Empress's ghost.

[satansaloser2005]

If [Lommie's reveal] is true, what the heck was Sally's #446 about?

Wonderfully enough, her reveal was my plan. Not that I knew it would be her, of course, but I'd intended to suggest that the acolyte come out and play. Also, and more importantly, I got a couple of lovely reactions without even having to share my plan with the rest of the group. Always a nice bonus.

I have to say I'm disappointed, and a little uneasy, that Boro gave up so easily. Nog put on such a good show.

He was too busy snuggling up to me and my brains. :mad:

Actually, I agree. Does anyone think this is maybe a bit too easy? Lommie's suddenly the Acolyte (and right, I might add, as I'm beginning to properly suspect her), Boro's suddenly a confirmed wolf, but neither was true until last Night?

If Lommie is the Acolyte, what happened to Eru? I'll be quite cross if that was a modfire and Nerwen simply refused to tell us.

For everybody to chew on in the meantime, I think Sally's ominous post #446 was to lay the ground for a fake reveal as the Acolyte. Note how she speaks of "the ordos" like she isn't one herself, and see also my #390 yesterDay which she hasn't answered. She's talked a lot about the role, not all of it making sense.

Rhythm, my dear sir. I've got rhythm, I've got music, I've got no role, who could ask for anything more, etc. Also, my sincere apologies. I must have missed your question. I'll respond to it shortly.

To sally: We share so much appreciation for zombie shows it was perfect sense and a privilege to spy with you again.

You disgust me. I'll consider loving you (tender?) again only after you're dead.

And so, it is with a heavy heart and a full head that I must vote.

++he who has crushed my heart and cracked my cranium (Boro)


Or, as they say in Limerick....

It seems my beloved sweet prince
Deceived me with one dog-eyed glimpse (http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/17874_735437705014_23330393_41822438_6768607_n.jpg )
But is this all true?
Or does Lommie lie too?
The mere thought is making me tense

[satansaloser2005]

But Sally, while you're in such a reasonable mode, can you explain this thing you said yesterDay:

Why the singular and "kill", not "lynch"?
(No, before you get upset, I'm not saying you're the Acolyte, I'm saying you've been toying with the role, and I can't see why you should do that while insisting that the A. is evil.)

Okay, first of all, I'm retracting my apology for not responding to this sooner. Not because of what you said, mind, but because it was said at insane o'clock and thus something I missed until now. :p

And to answer your question honestly, I don't know why I phrased it like that. I had of course meant that I would be advocating his lynch, and I'm guessing I used the singular because I would then gloat if he turned out to be lying after all, but I don't know why I phrased my statement the way I did.

I will, however, ask you to stop saying that I "toyed with the role," when I've done nothing of the sort. Thinking about it, yes, but not toying with it.


Or, as they say in Limerick....

Though I know my word choice was strange
You inquired past my hourly range
So now I've replied
Your suspicions belied
I'd thank you for a tonal change

[Boromir88]

heh Inzil's link is perhaps the best occurance of the day. :D

sally, don't be fooled, because he's as destructive as a puppy as I am when I'm furry

Bahh the terror (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/76_528909085024_23330393_33219402_424_n.jpg)

And more terror (http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/76_528909095004_23330393_33219404_1044_n.jpg)

Terminate (http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/76_528909099994_23330393_33219405_1353_n.jpg).

Finish him (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/76_528909114964_23330393_33219409_3688_n.jpg).

[Inziladun]

This tool longer than I thought it did. Anyways, I looked through Boro's posts for mentions on any of the people that are left (not on Lommy and Inzil, but the ones that are not confirmed).

Just a minor, technical note that Lommy has yet to be "confirmed".

sally: nothing. Or, well, there's this

Your reaction though, it was unexpected seeing from you, because it was like reading one of my rants. "If you suspect me then suspect me!" And really over something that's normal, "Hey Rikae, what do you think about sally?" I can understand boiling over frustrations, but that was an immediate, highly-dramatic reaction.


which is actually an answer to G55. If he's truly mixing them up, that would be a point for sally, with G55 being innocent.

And then there's all the posts against Shasta. I don't really know what to think about it - it seems a little too serious to be a wolf-on-wolf, but would it be better being a wolf-on-innocent, with (until today) Shasta being the more probable to go first? I don't know.

Looking at this? I don't know. I think that since Boro confused sally and G55 it could mean that sally's innocent. In general he talks only a little about any of us. He states some kind of a pre-attack for both Pitch and Lottie (as in, I have something against this person, will clarify later), which in Pitch's case turns out to be the rant-post he didn't like (he didn't continue pursuing him after saying that) and with Lottie it just dies out.

I think it's a real stretch to say that quote from Boro is a point for Sally's innocence. Looks to me more like Boro was merely using a "fex" there.

As for Shasta, like I said, there are three Spies left, and the odds are pretty well in favor of seeing some wolf-on-wolf. I won't give people an automatic all-clear just because they said something negative about Nog (or Boro), and vice-versa.

heh Inzil's link is perhaps the best occurance of the day.

Bahh the terror (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/76_528909085024_23330393_33219402_424_n.jpg)

And more terror (http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/76_528909095004_23330393_33219404_1044_n.jpg)

Terminate (http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/76_528909099994_23330393_33219405_1353_n.jpg).

Finish him (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/76_528909114964_23330393_33219409_3688_n.jpg).

I'll bring over my three cats and we'll really see some fur fly. :)

[Inziladun]

Before I forget (not that it matters):

++Boro

[Loslote]

++Boro

[Pomegranate]

inzil: i think that today we can look at her as confirmed by boro's confession. I've been trying to think but i haven't come up with any reason why an innocent boro would give up like that. The acolyte, joining the wolves as a cobbler? And lommy to reveal him to gain trust for tomorrow? I'm going to be worried and reevaluate if lommy's not killed tomorrow. In any case, i think boro gave up a bit too easy - i would probably have joined him in creating some weird scenario about why exactly lommy's doing this. But i can't link his confession to this. Can you think of something? Lack of bolding because i'm writing this from a phone.

[A Little Green]

To get it over with:

++ Boro

Greenie: You said I had a connection with Boro, and while looking at your analysis, I could see where that came from. I was thinking to myself that if Boro will end up being a wolf, I'm going to be seriously annoyed, because he has painted me black, and right after that comes this. I was just thinking that you had drawn the same conclusions already.I understand the annoyance, but seriously, to start pleading before any accusations have been made? Looks a tad like overreacting.

I think that since Boro confused sally and G55 it could mean that sally's innocent.
I think it's a real stretch to say that quote from Boro is a point for Sally's innocence. Looks to me more like Boro was merely using a "fex" there.I agree with Pitch on this one, I read it quite simply as Boro using Sally as an example. That he doesn't say anything else about her the whole game, though, is a bit alarming. And another thing - if one of Nate and Sally turns out furry, I'm hazarding a guess that the other one is, too.

Actually, I agree. Does anyone think this is maybe a bit too easy? Lommie's suddenly the Acolyte (and right, I might add, as I'm beginning to properly suspect her), Boro's suddenly a confirmed wolf, but neither was true until last Night?Yes, it seems easy, but even if Lommy was a wolf (or an evil acolyte - but honestly, if she was given a choice I can't see Lommy siding with the baddies; and if she wasn't, it'd make the game pretty unbalanced) who decided to bus Boro to look good herself, it'd be a rather lousy scheme as we'll find out quickly enough: if she isn't dead toMorrow, we can raise the question of her lying again.

[Thinlómien]

Does anyone think this is maybe a bit too easy? Lommie's suddenly the Acolyte (and right, I might add, as I'm beginning to properly suspect her), Boro's suddenly a confirmed wolf, but neither was true until last Night?

If Lommie is the Acolyte, what happened to Eru? I'll be quite cross if that was a modfire and Nerwen simply refused to tell us....what? You mean Boro wasn't a wolf until last Night?

As for Eruhen, I don't know what happened to him any more than you do. My best guess is modfire or resigning from the game. On the other hand, Nerwen did say to me that the game is quite complicated and Eruhen voted me on Day1... But if his death had something to do with me, it would be rather too much in addition to everything else, though.

[A Little Green]

...what? You mean Boro wasn't a wolf until last Night?I thought she meant that he wasn't a confirmed wolf until last Night - but why Night and not Day? Anyway, I don't know if that's relevant; probably not.

[Pomegranate]

Okay, in the sally-case there is actually my fail, somehow I myself got mixed up with people and remembered the other name was correct, that is, that Rikae was the one who was asked. Since it wasn't so, I think you are right in saying that it seemed like an example more than anything else. But I think that if he had kept the other name correct (and since the form of the question is pretty similar) I still think it would've looked like he was just forgetting who he was talking to.

And oh yes, that was an overreaction, I know. Following my chain of thought last night it happened thus:

I think that I still had somewhere in the back of my mind the idea of "we can't afford to lynch any more innocents!" from the morning, even though it had since become slightly less certain. Hence I had the vibe that if I'd be lynched, that would be the end of the village.

I had assumed I'd get some suspicion today, partially because I haven't gotten anything this far (and at this point I sure do think that everyone should be suspected), partially because of my second-day small suspicion of Nog and then turning into suspecting Legate more and voting for him. I would've seen that as suspicious if looking from outside, when it turned out Legate wasn't a wolf. I'm actually kinda surprised that for example Lottie (since she seems to be suspecting me most) hasn't brought it up yet, though I guess it might interfere with her argument on me being in the background.

Then comes your Boroalysis. My reaction to it was "Oh, it sure does seem he's somewhat partial. And I haven't really suspected him either, in my head or out loud. It does indeed seem like we have some kind of a connection. I'm going to be seriously annoyed at myself if he turns out to be a wolf, because he has managed to fool me completely".

...and then comes Lommy's revelation. It was a "you've got to be kidding me" -moment, right after that thought process. I guess what I reacted to was more to something that I had in my own head, like, to the idea that would I not know that I'm innocent, I would be really suspecting myself right now. And I just assumed that everyone else went through the same points that I did, and I answered to that.

But thinking a bit more on what I went through yesterday. I think Boro's point against Pitch sounds really far-fetched, argument for the sake of argument. I'm going to want to look at how Pitch reacted to that and in general do some "packmatealysis" - that is, create some Boro-someone combinations and possibly even go to full pack combinations, trying to see the last two packmates. It's two out of six (and from the point of view of every ordo, two out of five excluding self) so it's not too much data to be handled, I'd say. And we'll have the whole tomorrow, and assuming that Lommy gets killed during the night, no surprises from there to be expected either.

x/ed with Lommy and Greenie

[Thinlómien]

Rereading Boro's posts. He's really mostly talking about people who are already dead and proven innocent, and a little about Nog.

On Day1 Greenie was on his list of who not to lynch with Zil and Legate. Not sure if that is good or bad.

On Day2, he suspected Pitch, while Pitch was quite loudly criticising/suspecting Nog. Would be fun if it all was wolf-on-wolf.

On Day3, he and Shasta had a fight. Then there's this quote: Asking me to jumble all these ideas of a Legate-Shasta-Pitch, Shasta-Lommy-Greenie, Legate-sally-Lommy spy combinations is a processing overload for me. So unless you want my brain to explode, let me go about my business one step at a time. Starting with either Legate or Shasta today. Comprende?I would think it likely he threw (at least) one packmate in there.

His relation to Shasta confuses me. Suspecting but not voting him on Day3 seems really bad, the attack in the beginning of toDay makes Shasta look pretty good.

Also Lottie is noteworthy. Before seeing my reveal toDay, I think he was just about to let her off the hook. Furthermore, I remember Lottie was one of the weird Lommywagon on Day1 (the other being G55 and Eru) which could have been to save Boro (I suggest someone check this toMorrow if I'm not alive to do that).


edit: xed with Greenie and Pom

[Thinlómien]

Hopefully see you all tomorrow. ;)

[Nerwen]

Deadline.

[Nerwen]

Even in the court of Harad, nobody had ever felt quite comfortable around the Dark Lord's emissary, but under the circumstances, all were ready to mourn him like a brother.

It was not long, however, before Shasta, to the frustration of all, returned to his obsession with the Acolyte, while everyone else gave each other sidelong looks and made vague, unpleasant insinuations. The Imperial Palace of Harad had never been much of a place for trust or openness, but now these qualities had been scoured away altogether, as if by the desert winds.

Suddenly Court Physician Thinlómien stood up. "Enough! I have an announcement to make. I am– the Acolyte!"

"Really?" asked several voices. "Why didn't you say so earlier?"

"I didn't know! It is true that– like some others here– I am a student of the mysteries of the Serpent God, but it never crossed my mind that I was the Acolyte! It was not until last night that I was able to overcome my holy awe enough to break the seal on the scroll that She Who Now Bestrides the Milky Way had written with Her Imperial hand. As She ordered, I went to the Envoy and he taught me as much as he could of sorcery."

Here Lottie was seen to scowl, and to mutter what sounded very much like, "Aw, it just isn't fair..."

"But did you learn anything... useful?" the others asked.

"Yes." said Lommy solemnly, and she pointed at Boromir. "He is a spy!"

Boromir, instead of shouting denial, merely shook his head in rueful acknowledgement.

"Touché, Lommy. Touché. But you should have let me keep yapping away, I probably could have handed to you my spy-mates."

"Well, hats off to you," said the Acolyte, "for convincing me of your innocence for some time."

As they were getting quite good at this sort of thing by now, it was not long before somebody came up with the marvellous notion of having the confessed spy trampled by his own mûmakil. Bound and chained, Boromir could do nothing to resist as he was carried down to the stables and rolled under the very feet of the vast, savage beasts.

The others, gathered just outside, watched expectantly.

But there was a drawback– the mûmakil were quite accustomed to Boro, and merely felt him curiously with the sensitive tips of their long snouts.

All were at a loss, until Greenie thought of flinging in one of her reptiles (not one of those consecrated to the Serpent God). Instantly the stable became a nightmarish chaos of trumpeting, stamping and goring elephantine monsters. By the time the mûmakil had finally calmed down, there was even less left of Boromir than there had been of the ill-fated Legate of Khand. This time, though, what skin still covered the jellied mass that had once been a human body immediately began to lighten in colour, even as Nogrod's had, and the one remaining eye changed to a cloudy grey.

The snake was flattened too, but everyone agreed it had been in a good cause.

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Living
Sally –Messenger girl.
Shasta –Particularly attentive guard-lieutenant.
Pomegranate –Entertainer.
A Little Green –The Empress's favourite snake-charmer.
Pitchwife –Captain in the "Provisional Royal Númenórean Navy" and emissary of Angamaitë IX, Lord of Umbar.
Lottie –Accident-prone sorcerer's apprentice.
Inziladun –Minister of the Treasury.
Lommy! –Court physician.


Dead
The Empress of Harad. Mod. –assassinated in her sleep.
Bom Tombadillo –Greatly afflicted beggar. Ordo. –multiple stab wounds.
Eruhen –Court eunuch. Ordo. –burned to death on the Empress's funeral pyre.
Rikae –Empress's handmaiden. Royal Executioner. –garotted with own wire.
Nogrod –Camel and coffee trader. Spy. –poisoned with own merchandise.
Galadriel55 –Professional assassin. Captain of the Guard. –neck broken in stairwell fight.
Legate of Amon Lanc –Legate of Khand. Ordo. –crushed to death by an enormous waggon.
Steve –Court Jester (from Umbar). Envoy of Morder. –sliced up by the spies on Night Four.
Boromir88 –Wealthy mûmak breeder. Spy. Trampled by own mûmakil.

It is now Night Five.

[Nerwen]

"I don't believe this." The spy, head in hands, rocked gently back and forth in the lonely corner to which the two had repaired once night had fallen on the Palace. "These slaves of evil are springing up like weeds! First Nogrod taken from us, now Boro. My heart forebodes that the end will be dark for us."

"Think not of the end," said the other, laying a hand on the daunted one's shoulder. "We must break the back of this unholy alliance between Harad and Mordor! That is all. Come."

"You are right," said the first, looking up. "What matters it if we die– even by the cruelest tortures these Southrons can devise. For Gondor!"

"For Gondor!"

Resolved afresh, the two set out down the corridor on their mission of death-dealing. But they had not gone very far when they found themselves walking slower and slower. It was as if the very air around them became gradually more dense, weighing down on them until they were unable to move a step.

Somewhere in the darkness, there was a ripple of mocking laughter.



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Living
Sally –Messenger girl.
Shasta –Particularly attentive guard-lieutenant.
Pomegranate –Entertainer.
A Little Green –The Empress's favourite snake-charmer.
Pitchwife –Captain in the "Provisional Royal Númenórean Navy" and emissary of Angamaitë IX, Lord of Umbar.
Lottie –Accident-prone sorcerer's apprentice.
Inziladun –Minister of the Treasury.
Lommy! –Court physician.


Dead
The Empress of Harad. Mod. –assassinated in her sleep.
Bom Tombadillo –Greatly afflicted beggar. Ordo. –multiple stab wounds.
Eruhen –Court eunuch. Ordo. –burned to death on the Empress's funeral pyre.
Rikae –Empress's handmaiden. Royal Executioner. –garotted with own wire.
Nogrod –Camel and coffee trader. Spy. –poisoned with own merchandise.
Galadriel55 –Professional assassin. Captain of the Guard. –neck broken in stairwell fight.
Legate of Amon Lanc –Legate of Khand. Ordo. –crushed to death by an enormous waggon.
Steve –Court Jester (from Umbar). Envoy of Morder. –sliced up by the spies on Night Four.
Boromir88 –Wealthy mûmak breeder. Spy. Trampled by own mûmakil.


Day Five has begun. Nobody died.

[Pomegranate]

I'm confused.

Lommy, do you know something about this? Did you manage to dream? I said I'd reevaluate you if you wouldn't die during the Night, but I obviously didn't expect this. It would seem that we've got some cool magical powers on our side (or, well, if we count Eru's death as caused by something unnatural, then perhaps not completely on our side but affecting things around us anyway) - if it's not Lommy, then what is it? Empress's ghost?

[Inziladun]

They didn't forget to send in the kill, did they?

At any rate, this is nothing but a great opportunity for the village. I know who my top Spy-suspicions are at the moment, and I'm very interested to see what else develops.

[Pomegranate]

The narration does indeed start with some kind of suggestion that they would've just forgotten the name. However, the end doesn't seem to suggest that, it would seem that there's something going on which isn't caused by them.

I'll have to go to a flat viewing soon, but I'll be trying to do some analysing of at least Pitch-Boro-Nog-rest of us and Lottie-Boro-Nog-rest of us-combinations toDay.

[Inziladun]

Well, Lommy should have gotten another dream last Night. Even if her target was different than she intended, that's still significant.

[Inziladun]

As I said yesterDay, I don't think someone casting suspicion on our known Spies is necessarily a sign of innocence. It looks to me as if pretty much everyone left has had some interactions with them. That said, I wanted to look at any noteworthy things people said about Boro or Nog, independent of Seer-info or whatnot. I'll try to get to everyone at some point (except Lommy.

I meant to start this post by asking if there was something I missed that would explain the three rants about the evil of random votes, but since I don't seem to be the only baffled one, I gather there wasn't. Not sure if it means anything, it probably doesn't, but that conversation seems both uncalled-for and overdone.

I'm starting to notice a rather odd pattern concerning people's attitudes towards the back-and-forth between Legate and Zil. Looking at eg. the following quotes:



What strikes me is that everyone of them is doing more or less what Pitch here describes - himself included! That is, keeping the Zil-Legate-issue in the spotlight while at the same time implying that it isn't really relevant, or that both two look innocent. I don't know if I have anything here, but it stood out to me.

One of the people she describes as doing that was Boro.

Eonwe looks sharp (me likey) and Boro slightly fishy. The latter is part gut-feeling (he seems too laid-back and nice, somehow - I mean, he's always nice, but this time it seems more conscious, sort of) and part because of the way he reacted to my previous post. He neatly downplays his own part in the pattern I wrote about by calling the whole thing shrewd observation and saying he won't vote me today. That was a really sketchy way to explain it, but I'm dead on my feet and need a bed.

Ok, so some rather specific suspicion on Boro, Day 1.

Agh. Going with the only feeble lead I have -

++ Boro

I'd love to stay and read and discuss and most of all think, and do something a bit smarter than this, but unfortunately I've got to go. I'll be more active toMorrow, I promise. Good Night!

And a vote for Boro. The first vote of the Day. Since she didn't know what was going to happen after she left, this might seem reckless if she was his packmate. Then again, he didn't seem to be in any serious danger of being lynched at that time. Mostly people were talking about me and Legate.

Err- what? Not entirely sure I get this point, or rather, I get the point all right but didn't get the framework. Anyhow, yes, if someone started it, I'd say it was Shasta, regardless of that Nogrod suggested it first. I know Shasta is brilliant as a wolf and I wouldn't put something like this past him, but nothing really points that way in my opinion. Unless he and Lommy are in cahoots, but I've not seen anything that would really support that, either. I'm more curious about Eonwe.

Here she defends Nog against a claim that he started the Bom-wagon. At that time Steve had not revealed, obviously.

Boro - As others (himself included) have pointed out, he has seemed more himself toDay so I'm, if not letting him completely off the hook, then at least not concentrating on him.

Nogrod - Someone (was it Shasta?) had an interesting point about him defending Gal. Also and more importantly, I agree with Boro that he's been more reluctant to take the lead than usual - reminds me a bit of a certain RL game where he almost won as a wolf by basically letting us lynch each other while he smirked a bit and poked us to the direction he wished. At the same time, though, he's giving me good vibes (which in itself probably means he's evil since I always suspect him when he's not.

Thinks Boro looks better at that point (Day 2), and agrees with Boro's suspicion about Nog. I'd think it risky, if I were Greenie, to link myself to both of them in that way.

Legate more or less said what I meant to say. I'm really not comfortable with Eonwe's jump on Nog. I'm not sure about Nog myself, but the way Eonwe is painting him black without pausing to consider the alternative is alarming.

Agrees with Legate about Steve's attack on Nog (pre-reveal) looking bad.

Right -

++ Eonwe

He was one of the ones I was least comfortable with, and that jump on Nog settled it.

And votes for Steve based on said attack. If Greenie was a packmate, this would be a natural move, I think, since Steve's case against Nog would certainly have raised eyebrows, and they would have loved to have gotten him lynched. Indeed, that could have happened had he not revealed.

I remember thinking yesterDay that Nog's wolvery makes Boro look shinier; don't remember what that referred to but I'm sure I'll find it.

I don't remember if she ever said what that reason was, but this is a interesting quote.

Boro - Half the time, I'm convinced he's evil; the other half, I'm convinced he's innocent. I still seem to recall something about Nog's wolvery making him look good, but I've no idea what that was! And, sadly, no time to check.

And another reference to what she'd said above, with still no elaboration.

Hmm. At times it looks like she's acting reckless if she were a mate of Nog and Boro, and at times I could see it as plausible.

[Thinlómien]

Sally is innocent.

I'll be back later when I have managed to get some schoolwork done.


PS.
I'll have to go to a flat viewing soon, but I'll be trying to do some analysing of at least Pitch-Boro-Nog-rest of us and Lottie-Boro-Nog-rest of us-combinations toDay.Why these combinations exactly?

[Inziladun]

I think Lommy's post is understandable - it was at the very beginning of the Day and it was more useful than banter, which was the other option at that point. But just because Legate and Nog are typically wordy doesn't mean Legate had to elaborate on that to such great extent, and it definitely doesn't mean Nog has to post the exact same thing as Legate already has.

Some minor suspicion on Nog, lumping him in with Legate.

Then why isn't it? I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were said every game. It would just be normal. Part of the reason it's so odd-looking is that it is, in fact, abnormal. Just because it 'needs to be said', according to you (which I disagree with, by the way - if a bunch of people post giant blocks of angry text about not randomly voting every game, no one will read them after the first few times. It will cease to have any meaning whatsoever) does not mean I am forbidden to comment on it when, for the first time in my memory, not just one but three people post about it.



No. I disagree. Now, I'm not a linguistics and philosophy of language expert, but I do know from experience that just because you say something loud enough doesn't make it happen. Yes, if everyone here posted and said that, no one would random vote, but that's just because everyone would have to agree to post. As it is, clearly some people don't agree, because people do random vote. Ranting loudly won't make them change their minds. It'll just make people skim your posts because your rants are obnoxious.



People like Bom and Sally are basically expected to post little to nothing of substance on Day One. You and Legate are not. When people do what I'm not used to them doing, I pay attention more than when they do what I am used to them doing.



But I had noticed it. I just hadn't posted about it yet. When Rikae asked, I figured I might as well flesh out my concern about the post.

All this was in response to Nog.

First, eeeeeeeeeeeevil. :eek: Second, when I saw Legate comment on this just a couple posts afterwards, he jumped at least one category of 'suspicion' - meaning, from 'unsure', he breezed straight up to 'feeling fairly good about' in one post.

This is pretty much in line with Greenie, suspecting Steve because of the way he jumped on Nog.

But...but in this case, that would be stupid. Sorry, but it would. Assuming Steve gives us the name of Nogwolf toDay, the Ranger protects him toNight. Then he gives us the names of his other two dreams toMorrow. Assuming Steve tells all toDay, the Ranger has to choose which to protect, Steve or the ordo, and may get it wrong and cost us a known innocent a Night early.

Also, I trust the reveal enough to go ahead with a Nog-lynch, so:

++Nog

Votes for Nog after Steve's reveal.

Obviously Steve is innocent, but Lommy, Sally, and Nate also seem pretty good to me, and I'm leaning innocent on Boro, Shasta, and Zil (though hardly definitively yet!). I have no read whatsoever on Greenie, and if there's anyone else playing, I've gotten so little a read on them that I've forgotten them entirely.

Obviously, this means that one of the people in my second category are evil. For now I'm thinking it'd be more likely to be Boro and Shasta - I'm more confident about the first three I mentioned, and Zil and Greenie, for some reason, don't strike me as all that evil this game (of course, they also don't strike me as all that innocent, but that's why they're in the categories they're in).

The mild suspicion on Boro seems unnecessary for a mate of his.

I'd be willing to consider the option of a Legate-Shasta-?Pitch? pack, at any rate.

But here she has Shasta as a likelier Spy than Boro, apparently.

This post of Boro's makes me think that not only would Pom and Nog, as Lommy said, be likely packmates, but so would Pom and Boro. In that post, Boro's basically writing Pom off as innocent, and implying that an evil Pom would happen in the future - that is, not this game.

To put Boro with Nog seems pretty risky if she was a mate of theirs.

Based on all this, I think Lottie is one of the less likely Spies.

x/d with Lommy

[Inziladun]

G55's outburst against Rikae feels pretty genuine to me, and I don't quite get what Boro thinks was so over-the-top about it - I mean, if she had the impression that Rikae was trying to suggest Lottie suspect her, being outraged is an understandable reaction; and as Rikae's post looks just like that on the surface, who's to blame her. (Only, knowing Rikae a bit, that would have been remarkably unsubtle.)


That's actually a good point. Wolves usually love discussing rules and technicalities rather than discussing people, they're great for talking a lot without saying much.

Legate, one thing I'd like to be clear about - if, as you say, you weren't accusing Zil when all this started, are you accusing him now or is your insistence merely scientific interest in his thought processes?


You want to read up on the Corsairs of Umbar. We're the only pure Gondorians left - that rabble up north are just mudbloods.


Isn't it?


How would you describe what's going on here?

There's some small questioning of Boro about the row between G55 and Rikae. He also responds to Nog.

No, what Lottie is saying is that Zil's post that followed hers didn't have anything to do with her poke/attack/whateveryouwannacallit, unlike Lommy had supposed.
FWIW, I was mildly annoyed by Lottie's failure to get my sarcasm, but I didn't think of it as an "attack" until Lommy, ironically, blew it up into one.


In which way would you say has Lottie acted like a bold wolf? I fail to see where she's done anything particularly bold yet.

Both those were responses to Nog.

It's not like I can't empathize to some degree with being annoyed by Bom and wanting to set an example, but what exactly was that supposed to accomplish? I mean, you said it yourselves:

and

and you still decide he's the best lynch choice? After ranting at such length against random votes? How was picking Bom any better?

Yes, I know, lynch a submarine on D1 if there's no better choice, and if it has to be done, better now than later, but after all of yesterDay's controversy, was there really no better choice?

Or was there a wolf getting heat who had to be saved?


That's actually a good find.


No, your vote list is confused there; Eönwë's vote was the fourth for Bom and came before Nog's.

He responds to Nog some more, and says Pom had a "good find" in noting that Nog, not Shasta, originated the ideal of the Bom-lynch.


Because it does make a difference whether Shasta started the whole thing by himself or took the lead from you, doesn't it? Pom says it better than I can.

Again a response to Nog.

Try to make up your mind whether I'm being "wise with hindsight", as you said earlier, or had wolvish knowledge in advance, will you? And if you think the latter, then say it instead of just throwing insinuating coughs my way.

And again.

My personal guess would be that the first of your Rupert Murdoch scenarios (love you for that btw) is true and it's Boro, or I don't see why she would have said that thing about wabbits and coyotes at all.


Tell - of course not, hint - all I can say is there've been precedences (IIRC G55 did it just a few games ago). It's rare, and even rarer that the village picks up the hint, but not as unheard of as you paint it here.

Anyway, it's bedtime, but I should be back an hour or two before DL. See you.

After all the "questioning" he did on Nog, and their back-and-forth, it seems odd that he didn't really suspect him more. All of that could easily have been wolf-on-wolf.

And Pitch apparently forgot all about Boro.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Still looking, Inzil?

Here. Let me help you out.

++Shasta

With three known innocents in a group of seven, a second, unkillable Seer, and double lynches allowed, there is no mathematical way for us to win.

Game over.

[Pomegranate]

Lommy: Because I suspected Lottie already yesterDay, and when I looked through Boro's posts I felt his suspicion for Pitch was very crafted. Apparently I was wrong on at least one, though, looking at Shasta's last post.

[Pomegranate]

Shasta: I sense some frustration in the air :P I can understand that, though. We haven't lynched a single wolf without the help of a Seer. That is somewhat sad.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta: I sense some frustration in the air :P I can understand that, though. We haven't lynched a single wolf without the help of a Seer. That is somewhat sad.

Well, when you hit a Gifted every night and still end up in a situation like this...

[Inziladun]

Still looking, Inzil?

Here. Let me help you out.

++Shasta

With three known innocents in a group of seven, a second, unkillable Seer, and double lynches allowed, there is no mathematical way for us to win.

Game over.

How do you know what happened last Night? It might have been a one-time thing.

Granted, you were still high on my suspicion list anyway, but still....

[Shastanis Althreduin]

How do you know what happened last Night? It might have been a one-time thing.

Because that makes it so much better for us.

Granted, you were still high on my suspicion list anyway, but still....

Oh, dear, I'm sorry. Did I ruin your fun? Would you like an accolade?

[Inziladun]

Because that makes it so much better for us.

Well, if it was a singular event, there was still hope for you.

[Inziladun]

I'd been entertaining the possibility that Lommy was possibly evil in some crazy way since she didn't die last Night, but I couldn't make any headway with the thought.

[Pomegranate]

To be honest, I agree with Inzil. You have been giving up way too easy recently. I'm sure I would have at least considered whatever theory Boro could've come up with yesterDay, had he not given up, and probably again today, at least to some degree, because Lommy didn't die.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, if it was a singular event, there was still hope for you.

No. There wasn't. All you have to do is double lynch from the group of 5 unconfirmed players until you win. Not exactly a difficult task. And we don't have the time to stop you. And you can both just stop with the patronization.

[Pomegranate]

No! Because I was prepared to do analyses at least for an hour or so to procrastinate before essay-writing, and since I can't do that now, and still don't have the inspiration for essay-writing, I had to create something else to do. Like patronizing.

[Inziladun]

Assuming Shasta is a Spy, and I see no other explanation, my first guess for his packmate would be Pitch.

[Inziladun]

No. There wasn't. All you have to do is double lynch from the group of 5 unconfirmed players until you win. Not exactly a difficult task. And we don't have the time to stop you. And you can both just stop with the patronization.

Fine. I'm not going to argue about it with you. I was only saying that I still had some reason for doubt in the issue.

[A Little Green]

Shasta - a hug. I know it probably won't help much, but you'll get one anyway.

[Loslote]

Assuming Shasta is a Spy, and I see no other explanation, my first guess for his packmate would be Pitch.

I'd want to keep the option of Pom open. I agree that Pitch has been acting suspicious for a while, and I've noticed that before, but I also think Pom reacted extremely jumpily to suspicion yesterDay, and though she claims Boro was trying to set her up with the connection between Boro and Pom, I don't see Boro picking her, of all people, to set up like that.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta,

... ... ...

I'm sorry you feel frustrated, and I'm sorry you gave up. I'm sad if this game ends this way, even if it means village/acolyte victory. I'd choose a game where everyone has fun over a game I win, anytime.

Anyway, although it's late for you, I have to disagree with your pessimism: I wish I was unkillable since I need to survive until the end in order to win, but I'm not. In fact if you want to know, the original rule was that the acolyte cannot be Night-killed* but to keep the balance, Nerwen changed it into that it is difficult to Night-kill the acolyte.

Also, yesterDay, I was really positively surprised how everybody has believed me and my goodwill - Boro included. This game could have gone so differently, in so many ways. I could have chosen to side with you baddies, and you'd likely have won already. (Not because of my help, of course, but because of lack of opposition.) I could have chosen not to risk my neck and just try to get Boro lynched without revealing, and then chosen my side at the end of the Day based on whether we were going to lynch Boro (my known wolf) or someone else. (Yes, to be honest, I was very tempted to do that until it turned out most of the villagers think the acolyte is good.) The village could have suspected my sincerity. Boro could have kept fighting and in the worst case you guys would have got me lynched (I would have lost, and the village wouldn't have got a dream toDay). Even toDay, anyone could have made a case against me (that I'm some sort of shady figure operating on my own) and got people to believe it. And so many other things.

My kudos for you wolves (you Shasta, dead Nog and Boro, and whoever is still hiding out there) for the gifted-slaughter and bold wolf-on-wolf. You have played well. I think you still had a realistic chance of winning.

When I made my choice yesterDay** I thought you had such an upper hand that siding with the village would be fairer and make the game more even. Seems like the contrary happened - obviously I didn't mean to kill the game for you. I definitely didn't expect stuff to turn out so well for the village or that the wolves would be so demoralised. (Maybe I'm over-emphasising my own importance and actions, but obviously that's the easiest perspective for me to take.)

However this is not an apology, and I hope it doesn't sound like an accusation either. My only regret is that I didn't try dreaming you, Shasta, last Night, like I originally intended. On hindsight, it would have been nicer to everybody. If you want to know, I ironically decided against it because after rereading yesterDay, I thought you looked pretty good.



* I heard I may get an opportunity to switch sides if I want. I was assuming this would happen if the wolves attacked me, but I wasn't asked anything last Night.

** Yes, technically I lied when I said I already had made my choice when I revealed. The deadline for the decision was the end of yesterDay, not the Night before. Anyway making the reveal was basically siding with the village - I would have been pretty darn stupid/heroic if I had PMed Nerwen I'm siding with the wolves after that.

[Inziladun]

I'd want to keep the option of Pom open. I agree that Pitch has been acting suspicious for a while, and I've noticed that before, but I also think Pom reacted extremely jumpily to suspicion yesterDay, and though she claims Boro was trying to set her up with the connection between Boro and Pom, I don't see Boro picking her, of all people, to set up like that.

I hadn't forgotten Pom, but I haven't had a chance to look at her like I did the others yet.

I could have chosen not to risk my neck and just try to get Boro lynched without revealing, and then chosen my side at the end of the Day based on whether we were going to lynch Boro (my known wolf) or someone else. (Yes, to be honest, I was very tempted to do that until it turned out most of the villagers think the acolyte is good.) The village could have suspected my sincerity. Boro could have kept fighting and in the worst case you guys would have got me lynched (I would have lost, and the village wouldn't have got a dream toDay). Even toDay, anyone could have made a case against me (that I'm some sort of shady figure operating on my own) and got people to believe it. And so many other things.

For my part, I trusted you based on my original argument regarding the Acolyte: a known evil (wolves) is more of a threat than an unknown quantity. I saw no reason an innocent Boro would have rolled over like that, and so went along with your claim.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lommy, when you revealed yesterday, there was no chance that anyone would believe Boro over you even if he had fought back. Go look at people's reactions yesterday if you don't believe me. And after Boro was lynched you were guaranteed to be cleared innocent - even if I had done some type of counterclaim toDay and by some miracle been believed, and you'd been lynched, we would be in nearly the exact same situation tomorrow, with Sally clear and myself a revealed wolf. Once the Seer was replaced with a self-protecting Seer that could still dream, the wolves were just done.

[Pitchwife]

Turns out everything went quicker today than I thought, and I come back to find - this?

Oh boy. I'm sure She Who Pulls the Strings didn't mean any of this to happen, and I'm sorry for doing this to her, but my last comrade shall not die alone.

*takes his place next to Shasta*

++Pitch

Do your worst, minions of Mordor!

[Thinlómien]

Awww, Pitch.

I hope it makes you happier to know that when the Day started, there were two people I was almost certain were NOT wolves: you and Greenie.

Risking being disrespectful in your tragic moment ;) - I have to ask now that I know who you all are - was your strategy to be as much wolf-on-wolf as possible without outright trying to get each other killed? It worked really nicely.

~*~

I used the word of tragic a little jokingly up there, but it actually is (italics for Zil!) a tragic end to a very good game. I enjoyed it very much, even though I was very confused most of the time: the person whose guilt I was the most certain about was the ranger, and I only suspected one wolf seriously in the course of the whole game. :rolleyes: I think I've got rusty and I need to play more ww in the near future!

Thanks for the game, everybody, and Nerwen especially. The end might be in sort of minor key, but let's not forget all the great stuff before that (especially my specific favourite, half of the village's fixation that Inzil was the acolyte. I still don't get where that came from! :D)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Now Inzil's going to be even more insufferable. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Pitch, but any and all fight completely went out of me once I saw the morning's narration.

Oh well. At least Nerwen has an inkling of which way she wants to go for the final narration, now - perhaps the two remaining loyal servants of Gondor, faced with no way out, heroically take their own lives rather than fall prey to the evil minions of Harad and Mordor? :Merisu:

[Pitchwife]

'Tis about time this ends anyway. This land's been a nightmare - the dry heat's ruined my complexion, the local cuisine gives me diarrhea, and the coffee - no offence to Nogrod's shade, but there's a reason I'm a tea drinker.


Risking being disrespectful in your tragic moment ;) - I have to ask now that I know who you all are - was your strategy to be as much wolf-on-wolf as possible without outright trying to get each other killed?
*shrugs* Wolf-on-wolf comes naturally to me; it's getting innocents lynched that's the hard part... and when I try, they have a nasty tendency to reveal as the Seer. *coughEönwëcaugh*

Thanks for the game, everybody, and Nerwen especially. The end might be in sort of minor key, but let's not forget all the great stuff before that (especially my specific favourite, half of the village's fixation that Inzil was the acolyte. I still don't get where that came from! :D)
I got it from Rikae. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfk_8oU7ko)

Yes, it was a good game and fun while it lasted, especially wolfing together with three outstanding packmates. And I'm actually pretty sure Nerwen never intended to throw an unkillable Seer at us and there would have been some chance to kill you next Night, but after Shasta's surrender I don't find it in me to go on alone.

It's not an altogether unfitting end though. After all, this grace was given to the Men of Westernesse, to lay down their lives of their own free will while still hale in mind and body, etc.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, now I feel like a heel.

Boro agrees with me, though, for what it's worth.

[Inziladun]

Let's not forget to do the double-lynch and end this properly.

Turns out everything went quicker today than I thought, and I come back to find - this?

Oh boy. I'm sure She Who Pulls the Strings didn't mean any of this to happen, and I'm sorry for doing this to her, but my last comrade shall not die alone.

*takes his place next to Shasta*

++Pitch

Do your worst, minions of Mordor!

I was right? Incredible. :eek:

The end might be in sort of minor key, but let's not forget all the great stuff before that (especially my specific favourite, half of the village's fixation that Inzil was the acolyte. I still don't get where that came from! :D)

And the funny thing is, impersonating the Acolyte never once crossed my mind. I was honestly just being myself (something that's gotten me suspected I don't know how many times), though I was deliberately trying to be confusing to the wolves.

[Inziladun]

++Shasta

It's only proper.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Shasta

It's only proper.

Technically you didn't even have to vote. :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

Technically you didn't even have to vote. :rolleyes:

I'm a stickler for procedure.

[Pitchwife]

Sorry, Pitch, but any and all fight completely went out of me once I saw the morning's narration.

*points to his signature*

Btw Zil, my friend, you are a major pain in the neck when you're on the other side. (In other words, well played.;))

[Thinlómien]

I'm a stickler for procedure.Yes, and now someone else has to vote too keep it even!

++Pitch

It feels very stupid to vote a wolf you only caught because he confessed... :rolleyes: Kudos again, Pitch! That was quite masterful.


ps. I'm actually pretty sure Nerwen never intended to throw an unkillable Seer at us and there would have been some chance to kill you next Night,Yes. 50-50 chance, to be specific.

[Pomegranate]

Thanks guys. You were amazing.

And to be honest, all I was commenting on this morning was how badly I ended up playing, suspicion-wise - I don't think I suspected any of you at any point during the game. Nog a bit, but he spoke himself out of it. After all that sharpness :P But you were REALLY good, it's sad it ended with an unfair situation like this.

Lottie - thank you for suspecting me, I never get suspected and it was nice fighting with you a bit, especially as it ended up being two innocents against each other.

[Nerwen]

Sorry, wolves :( – I was trying to get a balance between making the game winnable for the Acolyte, without making it impossible for whatever side she *didn't* choose, but I think I erred on the side of the first. I just never expected Lommy would get the whole village on side so easily once she came out.

[A Little Green]

You're kidding me. Pitch? Honestly? You were the one I was quite positive wasn't a wolf. :rolleyes: Anyway, kudos to you 4, you did an amazing job! As well as kudos to our two Seers who more or less swung the game for us - I don't think we'd have stood a chance against a wolf pack of Nog-Boro-Shasta-Pitch!

[Nerwen]

"This is nothing but a great opportunity for the village, " said Inziladun, when it was found that Lommy had, by some mysterious agency, survived the night. "Now, if only we had some idea of who the spies might be..."

"Here. Let me help you out." Guard-lieutenant Shastanis Althreduin, his face grim and set, stepped forward. "I am a spy! There is no way, I see, for us to win– so let us die with glory!"

"Seize him!" the others cried, rushing forward. "Tear him limb from limb! Throw him to the serpents! Skin him alive!"

"Nay," said Shasta, glaring at them with such pride and fierceness that they fell back in dismay. "Ye shall not slay me, dogs of Southrons! For Gondor!"

And he threw himself on his sword.

"Shasta!" gasped he who had called himself Captain Pitchwife of Umbar, running to the dying man's side. "My last comrade shall not die alone!" He turned the gaze of a cornered wolf on the assembled Haradrim. "Do your worst, minions of Mordor!"

But when the others finally gathered up the courage to lay hands on the false Corsair, he neither spoke nor moved, merely gazed straight ahead with fixed eyes that even now were lightening to uncanny Númenórean grey. Lommy examined him and declared that he was dead on his feet.

"If's almost as if he just...willed himself to die..." she said in wonder, making the protective sign of the Serpent.

This fearful portent (as many took it to be) cast a momentary shadow over the company, but this was lifted as they beheld the longed-for sight of the last two spies transforming in death into their true, hateful shapes, and realised the struggle was over.

"Finally," Sally proclaimed, "She Who Now Walks Among the Gods has been avenged! All Hail Acolyte Thinlómien, Saviour of the South!"

Great was the rejoicing that day, greater still the next when all the populace flocked to see the triumphal parade. Trumpets played, guards in jewelled armoured marched, sorcerers performed dazzling displays of magical pyrotechnics and Pomegranate and A Little Green led troops of slave-girls in a succession of graceful and intricate dances, while Lommy herself rode down the Imperial Avenue in a gilded howdah mounted on the back of a white mûmak. Even Lottie was allowed to give a public demonstration of her magical skills, and, for once, nobody was more than mildly singed. (The only frown to be seen was on the face of Treasurer Inziladun, who had to keep an eye on expenses.)

Magnificent as the celebrations were, they were eclipsed altogether by those held shortly afterward when Thinlómien the Glorious, Saviour of the South, mounted the Serpent Throne as the newly-crowned Empress of Harad!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Living
Sally –Messenger girl.
Pomegranate –Entertainer.
A Little Green –The Empress's favourite snake-charmer.
Lottie –Accident-prone sorcerer's apprentice.
Inziladun –Minister of the Treasury.
Lommy! –Court physician.


Dead
The Empress of Harad. Mod. –assassinated in her sleep.
Bom Tombadillo –Greatly afflicted beggar. Ordo. –multiple stab wounds.
Eruhen –Court eunuch. Ordo. –burned to death on the Empress's funeral pyre.
Rikae –Empress's handmaiden. Royal Executioner. –garotted with own wire.
Nogrod –Camel and coffee trader. Spy. –poisoned with own merchandise.
Galadriel55 –Professional assassin. Captain of the Guard. –neck broken in stairwell fight.
Legate of Amon Lanc –Legate of Khand. Ordo. –crushed to death by an enormous waggon.
Steve –Court Jester (from Umbar). Envoy of Morder. –sliced up by the spies on Night Four.
Boromir88 –Wealthy mûmak breeder. Spy. Trampled by own mûmakil.
Shasta –Particularly attentive guard-lieutenant. Spy. Threw himself on his sword.
Pitchwife –Captain in the "Provisional Royal Númenórean Navy" and emissary of Angamaitë IX, Lord of Umbar. Spy. Chose death by the grace granted of old to the Men of Westernesse.

Village wins! Acolyte wins!

[Pitchwife]

Sorry, wolves :( – I was trying to get a balance between making the game winnable for the Acolyte, without making it impossible for whatever side she *didn't* choose, but I think I erred on the side of the first. I just never expected Lommy would get the whole village on side so easily once she came out.
Like Boro said, she was so specific about the details that it was highly unlikely she made all that up. Maybe we could have tried to use the fact that she was still alive on Day 5 to discredit her, if the narration hadn't made it clear that we'd tried to kill her and failed... or maybe the village would have seen through it.

Anyway, it still was an interesting game. Initially, the adding of a mysterious secret role was a gift of god to us wolves, and Eruhen's unexplained death another; in the end, it was our downfall, but who knows - if Eönwë hadn't dreamed Lommy in his last Night, or hadn't cleared Zil, who knows how things might have gone? With experimental roles and rules, it's next to impossible to foresee every situation that may arise, but that doesn't mean it's not fun to try them out.

Also, the setting was a nice idea, and I loved your narrations (especially when you quoted verbatim from our kill PMs, but the rest as well). Thanks for modding!:)

You're kidding me. Pitch? Honestly? You were the one I was quite positive wasn't a wolf.
It's been a pleasure to reciprocate for the many times you fooled me in the past.:)
As well as kudos to our two Seers who more or less swung the game for us - I don't think we'd have stood a chance against a wolf pack of Nog-Boro-Shasta-Pitch!
I must admit we were almost a little sorry for the village on Night 1, but the Gods punished our hubris.
I echo the kudos to the Seers (Eönwë, was that your first time seering? If
so, fine debut!), but the rest of the village shouldn't sell themselves short either. Good game, everyone!

[Inziladun]

Btw Zil, my friend, you are a major pain in the neck when you're on the other side. (In other words, well played.;))

Thanks! That's always my goal when I'm innocent, but it doesn't always work out that way. ;)

For the wolves, you lot were a most fearful pack. What a combination! If Steve hadn't gotten Nog in a dream, I think the outcome could have been substantially different. I'm just glad we didn't lynch our Seer. T'was a near thing. :)

And thanks for the game, Nerwen. Amazing narrations.

[Galadriel55]

Good game, everyone!

Nerwen, I loved your narrations! Thanks!

Wolves - well done! Still! After that fatal Night with no kill I was kinda hoping you'd win regardless of the no-kill, as unpatriotic as that sounds.

Seers - I second/third/whatever the kudos! *applauds*


On D2 I was most annoyed with myself, because on N2 I was debating whether to protect Rikae and Greenie, and chose Greenie. :mad::rolleyes:


So what happened to Eruhen? Nerwen foresaw the debate about the alcolyte's involvement in the narration:

This was generally held to be a most touching act of loyalty, though there were those who, claiming to have seen a shadow moving on the curtain behind him, firmly believed he had been pushed.




There was one thing Shasta said that made me laugh, because of it's double meaning (and that was way before the wolf-reveal):

Well, that makes me feel a little better about myself.

Identity crisis? ;)


Edit: xed with Zil

For the wolves, you lot were a most fearful pack.

Seconded!

[Nerwen]

So what happened to Eruhen? Nerwen foresaw the debate about the alcolyte's involvement in the narration:
his was generally held to be a most touching act of loyalty, though there were those who, claiming to have seen a shadow moving on the curtain behind him, firmly believed he had been pushed.

Eruhen was modfired by request. I asked him to keep quiet about it.

[Nerwen]

Anyway, it still was an interesting game. Initially, the adding of a mysterious secret role was a gift of god to us wolves, and Eruhen's unexplained death another; in the end, it was our downfall, but who knows - if Eönwë hadn't dreamed Lommy in his last Night, or hadn't cleared Zil, who knows how things might have gone? With experimental roles and rules, it's next to impossible to foresee every situation that may arise, but that doesn't mean it's not fun to try them out.

And if Lommy herself hadn't dreamed Boro– or if she'd lost the toss last Night, or if you and Shasta had hung on a bit, and she'd chosen your side– you never know, she might have taken pity on you...

Still, as I said, the way things played out, it ended being quite weighted against your side at the end, and I regret that.

[Eruhen]

Indeed, I did ask to be modfired. As I stated several times on Day 1, real life kept getting in the way. I would have loved to stay around, though, and great game to everyone.

I about died laughing on Day 2 watching you guys scramble around because of the narration of She Who Walks Among the Stars. Great job, Nerwen!

[Inziladun]

Indeed, I did ask to be modfired. As I stated several times on Day 1, real life kept getting in the way. I would have loved to stay around, though, and great game to everyone.

I about died laughing on Day 2 watching you guys scramble around because of the narration of She Who Walks Among the Stars. Great job, Nerwen!

Hmph. And I had to spend all the next Day repeating that I wasn't responsible. :rolleyes: :D

[Boromir88]

No worries, Nerwen, as Pitch said, we can't foresee how experimental roles play out...it really swung the balance against us in the end, but I hardly played my best as a wolf and at the start of the game, if anything the wolves had an advantage.

After Lommy wasn't killed, I was rather sad, because it pretty much ruined my only reason for rolling over quickly, and I thought then I probably should have fought Lommy harder. When I said I was out of it/exhausted on Day 1, I meant it :p. And after becoming so focused on Legate (who I told the rest of the pack I shouldn't have given him that lead on me last time I was a wolf, because he can spot me right off the bat now), I wasn't at all prepared to fight Lommy. And after basically the majority of innocents were declaring "I'm inclined to believe Lommy, because there's no reason she would be a wolf and do this," I wasn't going to argue...sorry dear. I figured dying would make Shasta and Pitch look good, and if I fought it would have exposed them, so why do it when they can just kill Lommy at night? :rolleyes:

Anyways, once Lommy declared the acolyte for the village, it was a rather impossible situation. But that might not have ever happened, and it's not like we wolves, as brilliantly as we worked on the kills to get rid of gifteds, couldn't have played better during the day phase. I certainly could have played better. It wasn't the acolyte or game mechanics, it was simply a really tough group of villagers who made finding suspicions against them difficult. At the start, we were keeping Legate and Inzil alive for as long as possible since having the attention on them was working for us...but then Eonwe had to reveal Inzil innocent, and that forced us to lynch Legate. That night we really struggled figuring out who we could make look suspicious, because, we had to kill Eonwe and so couldn't make anyone look bad from the night kill, and everyone else was looking oooohhh sooo innocent.

And a couple more things to point out...

I didn't notice this at first, but it's hilarious in how ironic it is, because I'm responding to Pitch about Lommy's "90% innocent comment"

She means Shasta looks innocent, not me.

Silly Lommy, should have let me keep yapping away, I probably could have handed to you my spy-mates. But now. I'm staying zip.

What do you know about me? I have no problem bussing packmates. I was fully prepared to do it to Shasta that day (but you of course thought I was lynching an innocent Shasta)...but once you revealed about me, no way was I going to help in wolf-lynching. :p And funny to me (completely unintented, just a reactionary comment) how I respond to Pitch, and in talking about Shasta say "I could have handed to you my spy-mates" haha

I don't have the pms anymore, but the first night we had a kill choice...no joke. I clarified Rikae's hint about the coyote/wabbit and how I thought she was the hunter, so now would probably be the best chance to get rid of the hunter if we didn't think we could find the seer. With our pack make-up, finding the seer was our priority...well Shasta, in his brilliant psychicness pointed out there was something unusual (as in the "possible gifted" sense) about Eonwe and G55. And he wouldn't be surprised if they were the seer and ranger. haha, And there, had we gone with Eonwe, instead of Rikae, things might have turned out differently.

Pom, don't hate me...well ok, it's acceptable to hate me within the context of WW, because it's completely silly to trust me so quickly and easily. But outside of WW, please don't hate me, a person can not help when they are told "be furry."

[Nogrod]

Haha. There you go.Oddly enough, something is pushing me to kill Eonwe and G55. It's probably nothing, though.
There's no denying that man is a psychic (before that quoted part he agrees with us others who wished to kill Rikae for being the hunter)... :smokin:

[Pomegranate]

Agree with everyone. It was fun, it was more than a little chaotic, Eru's mysterious death made this game in a different way exciting than many of the games I've played since we were all completely off the lead. Or, well, who more who less.

Boro: I won't hate you ;) On the first day, though, were you actually lost or was playing nice part of some strategy?

Greenie: I seriously hope I will never play in a game where you are a wolf. You are unreadable.

[Boromir88]

Boro: I won't hate you ;) On the first day, though, were you actually lost or was playing nice part of some strategy?


I really was exhausted, since that day I was running mostly on caffeine and not a healthy amount of sleep by any means. :rolleyes:

But last time I was a wolf, and Legate was in the game (I think it was Shasta's Misty Mountains game). Legate went after me for the same reasons, and afterwards I told him don't stop pursuing that lead (of me being nicer when evil :p). I really don't know how I give it away, and I was trying to fix it for this game, because I told the pack that Legate knew my honey-coated wolvish behavior quite well. I think it's just an unconscious vibe I give away, and don't intend. Innocent-me, I don't care what happens to me, night-kill me, lynch me, trust me, I don't care I'm going to annoy people and just hopefully it's the wolves. Wolf-me, tries very hard not to be suspected.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Haha. There you go.
There's no denying that man is a psychic (before that quoted part he agrees with us others who wished to kill Rikae for being the hunter)... :smokin:

-points at signature-

:Merisu:

[Nogrod]

Risking being disrespectful in your tragic moment - I have to ask now that I know who you all are - was your strategy to be as much wolf-on-wolf as possible without outright trying to get each other killed? It worked really nicely.I don't think it was that much doing it to the utmost as such, but well, playing in a way we would be hard to connect to each other... and well, without the host of seers it might even have worked. :p

But one must remember - as some others already have - to give kudos for the seers from their picks. I mean even if this was the second time I was a wolf with Boro, and on both occasions we have been busted by the seer(s) and thus felt a bit frustrated about it happening again, the seer had all the choices to make and made the correct ones.

my specific favourite, half of the village's fixation that Inzil was the acolyte. I still don't get where that came from!I might have had something to do with that, from D1 onwards and specifically on D2. I was actually thinking he might be it myself (all this "I'm being cryptic" -stuff), but I had no problems in making it look like I was confident and having good reasons for it - in case the Acolyte was not on our side (he basically couldn't be on our side considering we already had 4 wolves in a village of 16) but could be lynched for possibly being on our side (Eruhen's death was such a kick of luck there!).



Thank's mates for a great game, even if it was short on my behalf.

And thank's for all the Haradians for making this a really interesting one. I mean for a long time even D1 was actually playing the game and not only bantering or checking oneself in and out. The next time someone says D1's are not fun, or help us in no way, or can be "skipped over" without an effort, should be directed to this game (among a few others).

And finally a deep bow to Nerwen for a great storyline, first-class narrations - and the courage to try an imaginative new role. New roles are always fun and add to the game.

Don't take the ending too much to yourself Nerwen. New roles can end up in unforeseen ways... (like the "secret Night-killer on the good side" I had in my game years ago - who could kill someone during the Night if he wished - and single-handedly killed the wolves more or less like that... :D)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was a splendid game, despite some hard time of understanding between some innocents :smokin: (I thought people do know by this time that the phrase "Legate 180" which you have made up yourselves comes from the moment when I was innocent). And it was especially nice for me to play after some break (since autumn, I think). Well played, everyone - I think I am not exaggerating if I say that people on all sides really played to the best of their abilities this time. It was a tough one.

Sorry, wolves – I was trying to get a balance between making the game winnable for the Acolyte, without making it impossible for whatever side she *didn't* choose, but I think I erred on the side of the first. I just never expected Lommy would get the whole village on side so easily once she came out.
I have been thinking about it (after I died and Lommy told me about her new role) and I think it wasn't that unbalanced. It was really just that the set of coincidences ended up in all cases in the best way for the village. But there were things which could have failed on the line so many times - wrong dream, disbelief from the village's side, even up to Lommy being lynched... She was also very careful not to say anything that would raise too many eyebrows. I mean, if she had said "and btw, Wolves can't probably kill me at Night also", the village would surely have started being a bit more suspicious about her claim. Not to speak of more things she could have said. In general, yes, I think the Acolyte could have been somehow less powerful - it was basically a huge boost to whichever side she'd choose to be on - but I can't honestly think of a way to make it still equally possible for her to win the game while giving her less powers.

You're kidding me. Pitch? Honestly? You were the one I was quite positive wasn't a wolf. Anyway, kudos to you 4, you did an amazing job! As well as kudos to our two Seers who more or less swung the game for us - I don't think we'd have stood a chance against a wolf pack of Nog-Boro-Shasta-Pitch!
Eexactly my words. I mean, of the four, I think Pitch would be among the last people I'd leave alive in the village, if it was up to me, maybe along with Sally and Lottie - and maybe I'd even let Sally go before him. I was quite suspicious of Boro (who however managed to get off the village's hook) and Shasta (who almost managed the same after my death, which I don't really understand; what was the village thinking? Later the topic of the Day was the Acolyte's dream, of course, but still, starting the Day by saying that Shasta is basically cleared...) And all the Bom-proposals... Shasta, was it really your plan to make us all who said "we hate random votes" to vote him, or was it supposed to be originally just your own, private excuse for your own vote?

I was at least capable of suspecting Nog (unlike in Pitch's case), even though I pretty much trusted him initially... more so than Eönwë... once again, sorry for that disbelief!!! But let this truly be a lesson to everyone, if you are convinced of someone's guilt, you really aren't looking left and right, especially if they out of the blue come with the claim that they are the Seer, you're just "oh no, seriously? Don't be silly...").

Indeed, I did ask to be modfired. As I stated several times on Day 1, real life kept getting in the way. I would have loved to stay around, though, and great game to everyone.

I about died laughing on Day 2 watching you guys scramble around because of the narration of She Who Walks Among the Stars. Great job, Nerwen!
Quite so. I think such a plot device is very good and I'd have nothing against it being used more often.
But see, I said so! At least something I was right about in this game. :D

Hmph. And I had to spend all the next Day repeating that I wasn't responsible.
Indeed! The claim "Inzil is the Acolyte - the EVIL Acolyte - who killed Eruhen!" was the most ridiculous stretch I have ever seen in the whole WW history!!!

Haha. There you go.
There's no denying that man is a psychic (before that quoted part he agrees with us others who wished to kill Rikae for being the hunter)...
Eek... totally.

Greenie: I seriously hope I will never play in a game where you are a wolf. You are unreadable.
Yes. You shouldn't. She is. Always.

But last time I was a wolf, and Legate was in the game (I think it was Shasta's Misty Mountains game). Legate went after me for the same reasons, and afterwards I told him don't stop pursuing that lead (of me being nicer when evil). I really don't know how I give it away, and I was trying to fix it for this game, because I told the pack that Legate knew my honey-coated wolvish behavior quite well. I think it's just an unconscious vibe I give away, and don't intend. Innocent-me, I don't care what happens to me, night-kill me, lynch me, trust me, I don't care I'm going to annoy people and just hopefully it's the wolves. Wolf-me, tries very hard not to be suspected.
Indeed, that's how it was :) Specifically: In that one game, I was pursuing Boro because of that, but he retorted by such a desperate defense (which he kept for like the whole day, if not more), that I started reconsidering and was like "okay, sorry, didn't want to upset you..." But after that, he turned out to be a Wolf indeed and told me that I should have held to my claim. So I told him that from then on, I am never going to let myself talked out of it if he does that again.

Anyway, it was really a great game. And even though I haven't been playing for some time, I still think I can say that it was one of the best games I've played "lately" (read: from the games I have actually played).

[Inziladun]

I might have had something to do with that, from D1 onwards and specifically on D2. I was actually thinking he might be it myself (all this "I'm being cryptic" -stuff), but I had no problems in making it look like I was confident and having good reasons for it - in case the Acolyte was not on our side (he basically couldn't be on our side considering we already had 4 wolves in a village of 16) but could be lynched for possibly being on our side (Eruhen's death was such a kick of luck there!).

Thanks so much. :rolleyes: I did give you all that opening, though, without intending to. ;)

It was a splendid game, despite some hard time of understanding between some innocents.

Heh, I couldn't believe you and I were tying up like that, when I knew I was innocent. That's really the only reason I suspected you, until you doubted Steve's reveal. Looking at it objectively, I can see why you were skeptical though. I just had a reason to believe him you lacked. At least I didn't vote for you.

Indeed! The claim "Inzil is the Acolyte - the EVIL Acolyte - who killed Eruhen!" was the most ridiculous stretch I have ever seen in the whole WW history!!!

When I awoke after that Day ended, I couldn't believe they'd lynched you and let Shasta get away with that! Innocents! But it all turned out to the good. :cool:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm curious to know what Lommy's role would have been had she joined the wolves.

[Galadriel55]

Shasta (in Night PM): no. way. :eek: You're like a Seer who dreams of everyone at once regardless of alignment!!!

Legate: from a dead innocent's POV you looked pretty bad after Eonwe's reveal, and if I was alive I would probably have voted you. Only your last posts sounded innocent, so I started thinking along the lines of "maybe not a spy...?" And I was banging my head against the wall when you turned out to be innocent. Next time we play together I'll keep the innocent-180 in mind.

Spies: I don't think it was that much doing it to the utmost as such, but well, playing in a way we would be hard to connect to each other... and well, without the host of seers it might even have worked.

That was big time wolf-on-wolf, whatever the strategy was, so kudos for that. Without the "seer machine-gun fire" I think you would have made it. I was really surprised with myself, actually, for suspecting Nog, because usually all one has to do to find out people's roles is take my impressions list and invert all the opinions. :rolleyes: (ie the ones I suspect are innocent, and the ones I feel good about are the wolves). Pitch and Shasta, I didn't suspect you until you revealed. Boro - I didn't suspect you either, but I guess after falling into your sneaky trap the last time you were a wolf I tend to be a bit paranoid when it comes to making an opinion about you.

Amazing job, wolves! Hats off to you!

[Galadriel55]

A few more things. Firstly, it seems I've been giving out many reputation points lately, so I'm not allowed to give any out for the next day or so. So my apologies, unrepped ones! (though not for long, hopefully :))

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?

And Lottie -

Manage to? Is this something you're hoping will happen? :eek:;)

(in reply to Pitch)

These things only happen coincidentally. Ironically, there was some suspicion for this post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A few more things. Firstly, it seems I've been giving out many reputation points lately, so I'm not allowed to give any out for the next day or so. So my apologies, unrepped ones! (though not for long, hopefully :))

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?

And Lottie -



(in reply to Pitch)

These things only happen coincidentally. Ironically, there was some suspicion for this post.


Believe it or not, I was mostly transparent there. My feelings on people that just throw their votes away Day 1, and on non-participants, are fairly well-documented by now, and I went about the Bom-wagon just as I would have as an innocent. There was a bit of wolvish motivation, though - I was a bit concerned that the Finns might turn on Boro very late in the day, so I tool steps to prevent that from happening.

[Nogrod]

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?I think I can answer that without consulting it from Shasta.

Did you think he was being true to his character as a person? Did you think he looked principaled and innocentish doing that run after Bom? Did you think a wolf would not expose himself like that as it would turn out Bom was innoent?

If you answered even waveringly 'yes' to any of the questions, then you have your answer... :D


EDIT: X'd with Shasta - sorry. :)

[Nogrod]

Good wolves are always transparent... :cool:

[Eruhen]

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out. How many small forest animals did you have to sacrifice to get that power?

[Galadriel55]

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out.

I'm sure he's full of glee at reading this.

PS: Shasta: your plan worked well. :smokin:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out. How many small forest animals did you have to sacrifice to get that power?

I suppose that depends on what you consider a "small forest animal"... :smokin:

[Galadriel55]

I suppose that depends on what you consider a "small forest animal"...

I guess we just have to count how many times you've chatted or went off topic on threads... Or ask Esty how many of her subjects she's lost to you... ;):p

[Nerwen]

I'm curious to know what Lommy's role would have been had she joined the wolves.

She would have had an optional (and, again, unreliable) Night-kill.

[Boromir88]

A thing I just noticed.


On D2 I was most annoyed with myself, because on N2 I was debating whether to protect Rikae and Greenie, and chose Greenie.

Funny too, because Greenie was the other person we seriously considered killing on N2. But I said "she's most likely to be a ranger protection early...at least if I was the ranger, I would probably be protecting her tonight." :p

And then after Eonwe revealed, we figured he would get the ranger protection, but were of course debated on if there was a bluff. The only way to be sure Eonwe wasn't being protected, was to go for him N3...but then again, we also really wanted that kill. I believe it was Pitch who noticed your comment about the ranger would be stupid to not protect the revealed seer, which is true, but we didn't think an ordo-G55 would call out the ranger in that manner. Then we put it together...Shasta really is psychic. :D

[Eönwë]

Wow, what a game! It's good to be back, and it's quite interesting being the seer. I was originally hoping to go for some elaborate clue thing with my fool posts, but it seemed that in character stuff just didn't happen.

I have more things to say, but I need to go now, and I was just wondering: Nog, was I right about your positive painting of Boro with the coyote thing?

And this definitely means that I should my initial instincts, i.e. Legate=good, Pitch=bad.

[Galadriel55]

I believe it was Pitch who noticed your comment about the ranger would be stupid to not protect the revealed seer, which is true, but we didn't think an ordo-G55 would call out the ranger in that manner.

When I was writing that comment I intentded to make it a bluff. I had a feeling you won't go for a revealed gifted when there are so many others around. But, on the other hand, I've seen wolves do that a couple times (going for a revealed gifted who'll most likely be protected), and I decided I'm not taking the risks.

Then we put it together...Shasta really is psychic. :D

Oh that Shasta and his psychicness... :D

[Rikae]

Shouldn't have tried that bluff so soon.... guess I'm rusty. Well, that and I can never resist hinting. :rolleyes:

Good game, though, folks. Very well played by the wolves: obviously a very challenging game from the evil side. That's always a chance you take with new roles, and it was an intriguing setup and loads of fun (to watch, for me)!

[Nerwen]

Haha. There you go.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Psychic Shasta-Wolf in a PM N2
Oddly enough, something is pushing me to kill Eonwe and G55. It's probably nothing, though.
There's no denying that man is a psychic (before that quoted part he agrees with us others who wished to kill Rikae for being the hunter)...
Really, I couldn't believe the village never caught on. They only had to look at my treasure's sig...

Oh, and I'm only just now getting around to repping people. Haven't had much spare time this last fortnight.