Taters to Taters

[Galadriel55]

I thought they were all related. Tom, Bill and Bert. I could have just made that up though.

They certainly could have. Maybe I just don't remember. I just remember that Bill is the only one with a last name. :p

Anywho...

The Prancing Pony - I'd imagine there's a reek of beer and pipeweed smoke in that place.

Azog - he's an orc. Just ask Merry and Pip about orc perfumes, they'll tell you that and a good many good things besides.

Aragorn - now how many baths did you say he had during his time Rangering?

Orthanc - what do you think it smelled like before the Ents cleaned it out with fresh Isen water? Saruman's army, machines, burning Ents...

The Dead Marshes - come on, even Gollum was disgusted.

Turgon - I suppose he's one of rank, but that's giving the word a completely different meaning.

Harry Goatleaf - he's certainly not the nicest guy around, but I don't know how rank he is...

Chief Wolf - I don't really get this pick.

Tom Huggins - ahaha! Do trolls ever take baths at all?

Aule - imagine what poor Yavanna has to go through after that guy gets ut of his smithy! :eek:

[Nogrod]

Hey! I'm pretty much influencable this round, so let your thoughts rain in!

I'm now going for the choir rehersals and will be by the computer maybe an hour before the DL (about 5 hours from now) so you have ample time, and I will make my decision only around the DL if you stil want to make influence.

[the phantom]

The Prancing Pony- Probably smells of spilled beer and hobbit-feet.
Azog- Orcs are probably smelly, right?
Aragorn- Wanders about the wilderness without changing clothes.
Orthanc- Nah. Probably kept pretty clean.
The Dead Marshes- Filled with dead, wet things.
Turgon- Perhaps a "stinky" personality.
Harry Goatleaf- Were Bree-men known for smelliness?
Chief Wolf- Smelled like dog, only worse probably.
Tom Huggins- I would guess trolls smell bad.
Aule- I'm going to say no.

[Loslote]

The Prancing Pony is an inn in a hobbit town - I can't imagine it being too filthy or smelly.
Azog is an Orc. Enough said.
Aragorn needs more baths, but I don't know that I would say 'rank', necessarily.
Orthanc was, at one point, pretty hideous, what with all the Orcs and trees and pollution. I'd call that bit of its history rank.
The Dead Marshes fit the card, for sure.
Turgon. Really? I'm not seeing this one.
Harry Goatleaf was unsavory, perhaps, but not necessarily rank.
Chief Wolf. Wolves aren't that bad, really...I wouldn't choose this one.
Tom Huggins could work. I don't think it's the best choice, though.
Aule was a Valar. I can't imagine him being horribly rank.

[Boromir88]

There are approximately 2 more rounds of new red taters I can pass out. Few options then:

1. Recycle the played cards.
2. Make up new/additional ones.
3. After they all run out, since we're done at Round 20 just go with what's in your "hand" and there won't be any replacement red taters after round 17 or 18.

[the phantom]

I vote for 3.

[Nogrod]

So a busy day behind and sadly still things to do so I don't have time for any deep analysis on the suggested taters...

So unless someone comes up with a brilliant idea otherwise, I'm going to pick my tater from the following:

The Dead Marshes - like someone said even Gollum didn't enjoy it...

Tom - one doesn't hold it too likely trolls ever bathe or brush their teeth. ;)

Azog & The Chief Wolf - same as with Tom, but on a smaller scale and less funny.


If Strider would have been suggested I might have considered him, but Aragorn... no.

The idea of the Prancing Pony being smelly "smells like" the PJ movies more than the books - so disregarded.

Orthanc? No. I can't figure Saruman the White or Manycoloured living in a stinking pile of waste.


Your last chance to make an influence starts now - and ends in fifteen minutes. :p

[Nogrod]

I vote for 3.Me too.

[Nogrod]

We know Gollum was disgusted with pure things (and cooked food) but seemed to go fine with many things we'd consider rank, smelly, odorous, or stinky.

But there seemed to be one place on that rank-side that was too much even for him. Need we say more?

++ The Dead Marshes

[Boromir88]

Down near the final stretch, Gwath is now even with the phantom! :smokin:

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Gwath- 3 (Neglected, Charming, Rank)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Gwath - 2 (Neglected, Charming)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
Kitanna - 1 (Deadly)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
sally - 1 (Chewy)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)

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ROUND 15

Wilwa you are to judge which of these is most "dangerous"...I think a sensible argument can be made for every one of these...

Elendil
palantiri
Barad-dur
Sauron
Minas Morgul
Misty Mountains
Caranthir
House of Ransom
The Barrow-wight
Silmarils
Beruthiel

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ROUND 16

Green tater: Attractive (alluring, engaging, good-looking)
Judge: G55

[Nogrod]

Uhh... what a round! :eek:

I'm afraid we're going to need the other descriptions a lot this time around...

aka. dangerous (threatening, hazardous, fortified).

[the phantom]

What a round indeed! These take some sorting. I don't have much time, but in my quick glance-over some clear contenders emerge...

Sauron trumps his own places of course-
Barad-Dur
Minas Morgul

I'm confident Sauron trumps the characters-
Elendil
Caranthir
The Barrow-Wight
Beruthiel

For remaining places Misty Mts trumps House of Ransom.

For objects Silmarils trumps palantiri.

So, we are left with the final contenders...
Sauron
Misty Mts
Silmarils

(Someone has caught up, eh? Better start playing the winner-cards then- I've tossed enough aside where I have good ones left mostly.)

[Nogrod]

Dangerous (threatening, hazardous, fortified)


Let's not be too hasty Mr. phantom... :rolleyes: These all are "dangerous" in different ways - and we can and should argue which of them might be seen as more dangerous than some other. But in this kind of situation I think the other descriptions aid one pretty much and make the game more interesting.

So let me offer another quite hasty analysis...
Sauron trumps his own places of course-
Barad-Dur
Minas MorgulThey are all dangerous, threatening and hazardous - but both Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul are far better matches for "fortified" than Sauron (Sauron may go into a fortification or build one around him, but he is not himself fortified in a way a place is!). So actually one should argue that Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul both trump Sauron.


I'm confident Sauron trumps the characters-
Elendil
Caranthir
The Barrow-Wight
BeruthielHe might or he might not. But as he has lost to both Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul already that doesn't actually matter any more... :)

For remaining places Misty Mts trumps House of Ransom.
Here I would just plain disagree. With the House of Ransom all the qualities are concentrated in one place and have a devastating effect to one of the greatest struggles of the whole legendarium whereas Misty Mountains are great in many respects but too wide - and thus diluted - to make a similarly strong impression. I mean that fex. it is not that The Misty Mountains are fortified as such - and there were times and places where the Misty Mts. were not dangerous or hazardous... What I mean is that they are too grand both in time and space to really make it - whereas the House of Ransom is a special place that is exactly fitted into the fates of Túrin, Beleg & co. (the concept "House of Ransom" doesn't describe the hill as such through the ages but the pivotal point of these remarkable adventures - being the concept of danger and hazard itself)

For objects Silmarils trumps palantiri.This I might accept indeed, even if I'm not sure you can thusly discard the palantiri... But just as a comparison you sure have something that touches my nerve as well.


So as all of these are dangerous, threatening and hazardous, I would throw away the persons first (they are not fortified in the same sense) and would then compare the places & objects (which sure were most of the time inside fortifications). I mean that seems to be the only way to prooduce a fair difference between cast A choices and cast B choices... :cool:

[Gwathagor]

Black Numenorean Cat Lady. That's all I'm going to say.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm pretty sure Sauron and the Silmarils are more dangerous than the Misty Mountains.

Between Sauron and the Silmarils, though, I'd go with Sauron. The Silmarils will only harm you if you're evil, at least if I remember correctly. Sauron, on the other hand, tends to be just as dangerous an ally as he is an enemy.

I think Sauron is the clear choice here.

[the phantom]

Nog- Well sure if we go strictly by the word "fortified" then places become better options, but the word is "dangerous", not "fortified". Let's not get side-tracked on what is by far the least synonymous of the secondary words offered. ;)

(Unless you are particularly wishing to, in which case I can let it drag out longer.) :p

Besides, Sauron still trumps Barad-Dur and Minas Morgul because they are only dangerous because of him. When Sauron perishes, so perishes the foundations of Barad-Dur, so that one is quite plain. And Minas Morgul is only named so (rather than Minas Ithil) thanks to Sauron's ownership, so again that seems plain.

And the House of Ransom would likely prove a dangerous place to go during the years of Turin's stay, but no one ever did go there because the way was not known. And never mind the countless years before that when no one went there. When unwelcome guests finally did show up, they showed up in force and slaughtered the folk there, so it only proved dangerous to the dwellers, and only that one time. Where as the Misty Mts were frequently traversed and often with disastrous results (wolves, orcs, weather, etc.). So quantitatively it's proven more dangerous.

I don't particularly want to toss palantirs so early, but I can't help it next to Silmarils. Not only do they scorch anything that isn't pure, but the wreaked such terrible damage in the world (Morgoth's lust for them drove him, Feanor guarded them so jealously, the Valar's request for them pushed Feanor over the brink, Beren & Luthien's adventure, Carcharoth, Feanor's sons destroying Doriath & the sea-side colony, etc.

And then there's obviously Sauron- the largest destructive force in the world during the second and third ages, and one of the tops of the first. I mean- he's the one that created/finished orcs and trolls, and look at the many results of that. Plus werewolves at Tol-In-Gaurhoth of course, and slaughtering Elves and Men in the second age halted only by Numenor- which he eventually destroyed through trickery. And need we recap the War of the Ring?

Sauron and the Silmarils seem to be in their own category. One simply wants nothing to do with them, and survival rate isn't high when one gets in close proximity... and Misty is sort of my heart's fond choice (memories from imagining them first time reading Hobbit & LotR).

[Nogrod]

Nog- Well sure if we go strictly by the word "fortified" then places become better options, but the word is "dangerous", not "fortified". Let's not get side-tracked on what is by far the least synonymous of the secondary words offered.All the taters are dangerous. Ditto, let's look at the other descriptions to help.

I mean if there was only one dangerous thing, two threatening ones and five fortified I'd say let's pick the dangerous one as that is the main word. But these all are dangerous - so we need other factors in!

You don't seem to get the idea with the House of Ransom (or you pretend not to for some reason :)). It is not Amon Rûdh we're talking about here. That is a hill standing there for ages until it was swept under the sea (like Misty Mountains are just a mountain range standing there). But to be the "House of Ransom" is referring to a certain story; death, tragedy, threat, danger, hazard, fortified...

I mean if you had more specific places with a story and real impact like Moria, Caradhras, or Carn Dûm or something you could make a case... but Misty Mountains as such? A pile of rocks...

Also the Silmarils. They were bad for Fëanor and his tribe after the vow Fëanor made. But that's it. Quite limited danger there: only dangerous to the baddies, in a way.

And Sauron then? He's dangerous, threatening, hazardous even... yes he is (there are better candidates for "fortified" whatever you say). But choosing him would be as unimaginative as picking Morgoth had he been available. Or like choosing Pronghorn antelope as the "fast" when the Cheetah was not available. Dull...

[Galadriel55]

Personally, I think Silmarils trump Bar-en-Danwedh. Who was the latter dangerous for? It was certainly a significant part of a story with lots of danger in it, but was it actually dangerous on its own? There were 52 men living in it. One of them was dangerous. But his "innate" danger does not make his house dangerous (as Barad-dur is not dangerous simply because Sauron resides there).

The Silmarili, on the other hand, posess the danger themselves. They are not only dangerous to hose who try to touch them without a right to do so. They pretty much hold the fate of Arda. They have a great power inside of them. They are more than just shiny rocks. I would say that they are even more dangerous than the One Ring. They also have a will of their own, and that will, I would say, is much stronger than the Ring's. For one thing, the Ring's power is limited to what Sauron put in it. The Silmarils hold the fate of all the world, Sauron included. Then, if you consider it, a continent was sunk and almost all its population was destroyed because of -you name it - Silmarils! We know less about them than the Ring, but it doesn't mean they aren't powerful and dangerous.

So if you think the Ring is dangerous (and who wouldn't, duh, that's what LOTR is about, right?) I say the Silmarilii are even more so.

[Boromir88]

I was informed this morning there was a mistake, as someone accidentally sent their "attractive" choice to the judge, G55.

So, what I'm going to then is have MCR judge the upcoming round "attractive." And then G55 will judge the following round.

[Boromir88]

Wilwa is having lots of RL smush, so we'll extend this round another day. And let her have the time to read the arguments for the most "dangerous" red tater.

[Nogrod]

Personally, I think Silmarils trump Bar-en-Danwedh. Who was the latter dangerous for? It was certainly a significant part of a story with lots of danger in it, but was it actually dangerous on its own? There were 52 men living in it. One of them was dangerous. But his "innate" danger does not make his house dangerous (as Barad-dur is not dangerous simply because Sauron resides there).As I said earlier, the tater is not Bar-en-Danwedh or Amon Rûdh but "the House of Ransom". It is not a concept naming a physicl thing in the ME (a hill) but a poetic concept becoming a symbol of danger, threat, hazard...

If you face Sauron or Gothmog in a battle it is terror and death you face. If you are Túrin or one of his followers you meet with danger, threat and hazard - and it is there all the time around you and you never know when or how something's gonna happen - unlike with the pure onslaught of an enemy who is openly attacking you or trying to destroy you.

And Mîm did eventually betray them making that threat real and deadly thus earning the symbolic value the House of Ransom carries with it.

Ransom is something that is claimed and they all knew it would be - none just knew how it would happen - the cliffhanger then!

[Boromir88]

Still nothing from wilwa? Hopefully she has the time to come on soon and make a decision. If not would anyone object if I name the winner, despite knowing everyone's taters?

In the meantime we'll just proceed to attractive and MCR will judge this round.

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ROUND 16

"Attractive" -

Anduril
Tilion
Forlong the Fat
Lotho Pimple
Luthien
White Tower of Ecthelion
Silent Watcher
Arkenstone
Boromir

And how about this...

Earendil
Elwing

heh :p

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ROUND 17

Green tater: Sensitive (susceptible, sympathetic, tender)
Judge: G55

*Everyone should at this point have 7 red taters left. All of them have been used, or are currently in players hands...erm pm boxes?*

[Nogrod]

And how about this...

Earendil
Elwing

heh :p
Have you Boro considered a concept of a double-win? :cool:

[MCRmyGirl4eva]

Hmmm... those are both VERY attractive options... I'll have to do somethinking for this one...

[the phantom]

ATTRACTIVE

Luthien is in play, so yeah. The other people are eliminated (Tilion, Boromir, Elwing, Earendil). Sorry to those that played them. They were good choices, but come on. It's Luthien- the Tolkien-proclaimed most attractive ever to exist.

As a change-up I can see Anduril being picked by a weapon enthusiast, or the Arkenstone being chosen as a ridiculously beautiful object. Silent Watcher and the White tower are trumped.

As comedy choices Forlong the Fat and Lotho Pimple are both excellent plays as they straight up include words that would undermine attractiveness. So...

THE CORRECT PICK

Luthien

THE COMEDY PICK

Forlong the Fat
Lotho Pimple

THE DIFFERENT PICK

Anduril
Arkenstone

If not would anyone object if I name the winner, despite knowing everyone's taters?
If you don't pick mine, naturally I'll object. Particularly if I find that Wilwa was leaning towards it. ;)

[Nogrod]

ATTRACTIVE

Luthien is in play, so yeah. The other people are eliminated (Tilion, Boromir, Elwing, Earendil). Sorry to those that played them. They were good choices, but come on.You seem to be hasty again phantom... and lazy with your facts or your language.

Tilion is a Maia, not one of the "people" but a spirit -and if you state the Maia of the Moon is less attractive than a sudden bastard child you must be crazy! :p

With Boromir I do agree: he might be attractive (alluring, engaging, good-looking) in many people's eyes for a reason, but I do think Lúthien outshines him easily.

Of Elwing we know sadly very little as comes to her attractiveness but her name to begin with means "Star Spray" which probably is quite attractive to make just a minimal claim. And being a white bird is a kind of symbol of chastity and beaty combined - and she had to be attractive to gain the interest of Eärendil...

Which brings me to Eärendil I mean first of all "crossbreeds" are always more beautiful than "pure-bloods" (good-looking), he wed the daughter of Beren and Luthien (engaging), and he managed to talk himself to Valinor (alluring) - so he can't be totally unattractive...

Now some of the characteristics of Eärendil fit also Elwing and Lúthien, but not all. I mean talking yourself into the West! Knowing Manwë and his reverence to Eru's plans it is hard to see any unattractive person to do that.

Therefore I'd say that of the "persons" Eärendil would be the best choice with Tilion and Lúthien as close seconds.

Of the others I'd consider seriously the Arkenstone. It sure is attractive, good-looking, engaging and alluring - at least to dwarves and orcs and dragons!

[the phantom]

Psh, Luthien got the Valar to reverse a death, so you can't put her as any less personally attractive than Earendil on grounds of persuasion. Not to mention Earendil's ability to attract a wife in no way makes him more alluring than Luthien, whose hubby (Beren) was practically under a spell when he saw her.
I mean first of all "crossbreeds" are always more beautiful than "pure-bloods"
Is that statement truly meant to support Earendil? Because it kinda supports Luthien you realize, as she is a crossbreed of Elf and Ainu. ;)

Not to mention Tolkien actually nicknamed his wife "Luthien".

She owns this category. The only other picks I'd call legit would be the Arkenstone (for a Dwarf or gem enthusiast), Anduril (for a weapon enthusiast), or Fatty or Pimple (for the sake of silly).

[Galadriel55]

Still nothing from wilwa? Hopefully she has the time to come on soon and make a decision. If not would anyone object if I name the winner, despite knowing everyone's taters?

Maybe we should vote or something. :confused: But wilwa will probably be here before the voting will be over, so it's also kind of pointless...

[MCRmyGirl4eva]

Okay, as I'm filling in as judge, I pick:

*drumroll*

THE ARKENSTONE!

[the phantom]

Well chosen. I would've preferred a joke selection (I played Forlong the Fat), but the Arkenstone is a worthy winner.

Who played Luthien? You had to have felt very good about that.

[Galadriel55]

Who played Earendil? Because I played Elwing! It was a funny coincidence. :cool:

[Boromir88]

Kath has the victory with Arkenstone.

Wilwa has also messaged me with the winner of "Dangerous" and has chosen...

++Minas Morgul.

Citing she did not believe Sauron beats his places outright. Minas Morgul as the home of the Ringwraiths and drawing Frodo to its call fulfills dangerous. The name itself also sounding threatening translating to "Tower of Black Sorcery."

So, sally wins for dangerous.

[satansaloser2005]

Hurrah!

[the phantom]

Citing she did not believe Sauron beats his places outright.
Psh, I have yet to see proof otherwise.
Minas Morgul as the home of the Ringwraiths
Who were created by Sauron...
and drawing Frodo
Because he had Sauron's ring...

Bah, Minas Morgul is nothing without Sauron.

Who played Sauron? I would've picked it. (The only other possibility for me would've been Silmarils I think.)

[Boromir88]

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Gwath- 3 (Neglected, Charming, Rank)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 1 (Deadly)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)
Kath 1 (Attractive)

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ROUND 17

G55 your choice of sensitive taters:

Bert
Barliman Butterbur
Miriel
Nienna
Beren
Beleg Strongbow
Ossiriand
Cirdan
Gwaihir Windlord
Huorns

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ROUND 18:

Green tater: Radiant (shining, glowing, sparkling)
Judge: the phantom

[Galadriel55]

One of them just struck a note...but I want to hear peoples' opinions, and maybe you'll be able to convince me to pick a different one. And no, I'm not telling which one resonated with me, it's more interesting this way. :cool: :p

[the phantom]

Nienna is definitely the one that jumps out at me, seeing as she's known for crying, heh heh.

[Nogrod]

Who played Earendil? Because I played Elwing! It was a funny coincidence. :cool:Great minds think alike... or are dealt similar enough cards to choose from. But yes, I did play Eärendil. It was a nice coincidence! And that was the reason I asked Boro if he'd allow a double-victory on that remarkable coincidence.... but that was not to come, I see.:rolleyes:



Of those in play this round I'd say quite many would fit the term "sensitive" (susceptible, sympathetic, tender).


On the top of my hat I'd think the following at least merit consideration (in the order they appear on the list)...


Barliman Butterbur - Haha, always willing to know how people like him, ready to please everyone, feeling strongly about his guests and his own honour ("What would others think if they knew something happened in the Prancing Pony"), sympathtic to the bone, susceptible, especially to flattery, and a bar-tender. :)

Nienna - Now if there ever was a trump-card to "sensitive" you should consider Nienna. If you are the "ladý of pity and mourning" you need to be sensitive and have loads of sympathy. And being susceptible goes more or less as a job descritpion for Nienna. Maybe not as funny a choice as Butterbur, but to the point on a level of her own.

Beleg - So sensitive and tender-hearted towards Túrin it proved his own downfall. Sympathetic to the edge of that being tragic.

Gwaihir - Always so sensitive and susceptible about who can ride him and how much and what for...

Huorns - Very sensitive to the opinions and actions of others towards forests. Their tenderness and sympathy is pretty limited though and towards any "out-group" they seem to be everything but that. But a nice choice still as I tihnk it is their susceptibility and sensibility that made them join the cause when Gandalf did his "Saruman-tricks".


Others I don't think fit so well, but maybe after some thought I can come up with words on their behalf as well. But at least now I'd say the five aforementioned are the contenders.

[Meneltarmacil]

Nienna and Miriel are probably best for "sensitive" in the typical sense, though Bert would probably count toward the "takes everything personally and complains about it" type of sensitive.

[Lhunardawen]

Who played Sauron? I would've picked it.
I did. I count this as a win. :D And I found it funny that Noggie thought it was unimaginative because that was EXACTLY what I told Boro when I sent it in.

For this round, I go with Nienna. Hands down.

[Boromir88]

Who played Luthien? You had to have felt very good about that.

I'm also allowed to say this was wilwa.

Perhaps payback for Minas Morgul? :p

[Galadriel55]

I may or may not be here at DL, so just in case I'm choosing now. And so far nothing was said to dissuade me from votin what jumped out at me from the first glance.

++Nienna

Nienna is definitely the one that jumps out at me, seeing as she's known for crying, heh heh.

Nienna - Now if there ever was a trump-card to "sensitive" you should consider Nienna. If you are the "ladý of pity and mourning" you need to be sensitive and have loads of sympathy. And being susceptible goes more or less as a job descritpion for Nienna. Maybe not as funny a choice as Butterbur, but to the point on a level of her own.

That basically summs it up. Both funny and serious. And, what can I say? Nienna just looked at me. :p

[Boromir88]

Kitanna gets her 2nd. :)

[Boromir88]

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Gwath- 3 (Neglected, Charming, Rank)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)
Kath- 1 (Attractive)

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ROUND 18

the phantom has these for "Radiant"...oh boy heh

Romenna
Varda
Nessa
Tuor
Arien
Two Trees of Valinor
Golfimbul
Phial of Galadriel
Ulmo
Ithilien

*Remember no more red taters left and will update this with Round 19 shortly. (only Round 19 and 20 left).

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ROUND 19

Green tater: Conceited (vain, smug, self-centered)
Judge: Lottie

[Nogrod]

(only Round 19 and 20 left).
I must have missed this or not paid attention... so we're not going to play our hands empty? :(

I mean it certainly produces some of the most hilarious combinations when you only have two or three cards in your hand and need to pick one for a given green tater... not to talk of the last round. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Wow there are some good ones...

Feel free to push for underdog candidates, but I'd like to get everyone's views on these four especially-

Varda
Arien
Two Trees of Valinor
Phial of Galadriel

[Galadriel55]

All four are good. They are the ones I would consider too.


I suppose I like Phial best, because it's an object and I tend to like objects. Then the 2 Trees. And then Arien, since it's just too true. And fourth comes Varda.

However, Trees beat Phial in epicness.

[Galadriel55]

Forgot to mention - I agree with Nog about going till the last tater in people's hands. Could we do that please?

[Meneltarmacil]

I agree with playing to the last tater.

[satansaloser2005]

Dittoing the 55th and the seal clubber. Let's play last tater standing.

[Boromir88]

As you wish.

We may not be able to go to the very very end, since with judges not everyone will run out at the same time. But we will go as far as possible.

[the phantom]

Varda- Made the stars. Angelic aura.
Arien- Sun. Angelic. Hot. ;)
Two Trees of Valinor- Both sun and moon.
Phial of Galadriel- Starlight. Spelled with "ph".

[the phantom]

Okay, let's toss out Varda.

Two Trees- Perhaps the "right" answer.
Phial- It would be super if Galadriel was the one that played it (along with the "ph"). :D
Arien- Gotta love the sun-lady (especially after Real Valinor's run). :cool:

[the phantom]

Also- I can't possibly choose when only one person has given an opinion to this point...

[Nogrod]

For "Radiant" (shining, glowing, sparkling)

The "obvious" choices:

Two Trees of Valinor - The most obvious of the obvious choices. 'nuff said.
Arien - an excellent choice, if there weren't Telperion and Laurelin played as well, for neither Arien or Tilion carry with them the original light but a faded version of it.
Phial of Galadriel - an excellent choice (well, not perhaps so sparkling but...), if there weren't Telperion and Laurelin - and Arien - played as well, for the phial is just a reflection of a reflection of the light of the Trees - so like two times removed from the original.
Varda - The only possible competition to the Trees if you think of her as the creator of the stars themselves - but she is not the stars as she is their creator: so unlike the three others she doesnt radiate but creates things that radiate (wasn't she initially the dew-collector for the trees?). Is that better or worse than radiating yourself - that's up to you tp.


Good or decent choices but not like the first attribute I'd give them (if you want to think outside the box, then you might find a good candidate from here):

Romenna - Must be one of the most radiant cities ever built, and especially because it became the safe-haven (:)) of the faithful later on...
Tuor - if he manages to be picked by Ulmo, to become the leader of the "House of the Swan Wing" and to be the only human counted as an elven kindred, then he has to be quite radiant.
Nessa - dashing speed and great dancer, not that far-fetched for radiant.
Ulmo - I think all of the Valar must be radiant in some way but I wouldn't think I would go using that term on Ulmo in the top-fifty choices for descriptions on him.
Ithilien - Yeah, you could say that, maybe, possibly, on some fine times. But it is in the end a forest.

Hmm...

Golfimbul - Well, if you think losing your head into a rabbit-hole is radiant, then why not... :)

[the phantom]

Two Trees of Valinor - The most obvious of the obvious choices. 'nuff said.
Yes, I suppose it would be tough for me to justify one of the others if it's on the same grounds... Ah well...

++ Two Trees

[Boromir88]

Who then is radiant? Why, none other than, G55.

[Nogrod]

Everyone has at least one point now?

If it is so, great!

[Boromir88]

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Gwath- 3 (Neglected, Charming, Rank)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)
Kath- 1 (Attractive)
G55- 1 (Radiant)

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ROUND 19

Next up is, "conceited," and Lottie with the call.

Elrond
Curufin
Gondor
Telvildo
Gerontius
The Hill of Seeing
Muster of Rohan
Mim the Dwarf
Maeglin
Taniquetil

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ROUND 20

Green tater: Dashing (bold, gallant, elegant)
Judge: Menel

[Meneltarmacil]

Maeglin, Gondor, and Curufin seem the best choices to me. I would personally go with Curufin.

[the phantom]

Forgot to submit a card once again... :rolleyes:

Ah well- a fully unbiased judge in session then, right. :p

CONCEITED

NOT TRUE

Elrond
The Hill of Seeing
Muster of Rohan

DON"T RECALL THAT IT'S TRUE

Telvildo
Gerontius

I WOULD SAY YES

Curufin
Gondor
Mim the Dwarf
Maeglin

(IMO) HECK YES

Taniquetil

[Galadriel55]

Maeglin, Gondor, and Curufin seem the best choices to me.

Ditto.


And - woohoo! I won a round! Though I wouldn't have minded giving the victory to the Phial of Galadriel. That was one very nice choice indeed.

[Loslote]

Of these, Maeglin strikes me as more wicked than conceited, Gondor strikes me as more underestimating Mordor than conceited, Elrond strikes me as a funny choice but not really conceited, and the rest bore me - well, excpet for one...

++Curufin

[Nogrod]

Ouch Lottie, why so fast?

I was hoping to persuade you to pick Gondor - for it sure wasn't "underestimating" Mordor, well, at least by the times of Denethor - but they, if some, were during centuries the self-centered ones who thought they were the only lineage worthy of the great Men of old scorning their northern brothers and thinking they only could stand against the foul forces of the East etc. They were the "shield of the West" and none else could do anything but them...

But it seems I'm late now... :rolleyes:

Well, next time then. :D

[Boromir88]

Gwath takes the lead and is the first to reach 4...

but we'll continue for a few rounds yet. :D

[Boromir88]

Tally

Gwath- 4 (Neglected, Charming, Rank, Conceited)
the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)
Kath- 1 (Attractive)
G55- 1 (Radiant)

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ROUND 20

Menel, for "dashing" these are your options...

Running River
Imrahil
Glorfindel
Bill Ferny
Rohan
Finrod
Eomer
The Barrow-downs
Durin the Deathless
The Petty-dwarves

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ROUND 21

Nonsensical green Part II (and Kitanna has informed me she's unable to judge this week, so going to next in line).

Green tater: Spicy (hot, flavorable, tangy)
Judge: Gwath

[the phantom]

For my money, these are the ones that need to be debated...

BECAUSE THEY'RE TRUE
Imrahil
Glorfindel
Finrod
Eomer

BECAUSE THEY MADE ME LAUGH
Bill Ferny
The Petty-dwarves

[Meneltarmacil]

The Running River was quite clever, but the main ones that really fit the theme are the four phantom mentioned. And out of those I would pick

++Imrahil

[Boromir88]

Kath gets her 2nd. :)

[Boromir88]

Tally

Gwath- 4 (Neglected, Charming, Rank, Conceited)
the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Kath- 2 (Attractive, Dashing)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)
G55- 1 (Radiant)

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ROUND 21

Let's see if Gwath can "spice" things up with these options:

Orc-draught
Utumno
Thorondor
Longbeards
Beor the Old
Bullroarer Took
Cram
Brandy Hall
Great Goblin

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ROUND 22

Green tater: Cranky (crabby, cantankerous, grouchy)
Judge: Kath

[Galadriel55]

Orc-draught is spot on, no? Brandy Hall is also a bit funny because of the brandy part.

[the phantom]

Spicy

ORC-DRAUGHT- Yep.
UTUMNO- Meh.
THORONDOR- Meh.
LONGBEARDS- Heh heh.
BEOR THE OLD- *snicker*
BULLROARER TOOK- Maybe.
CRAM- Heh.
BRANDY HALL- Nice.
GREAT GOBLIN- Meh.

So, toss out a few which leaves a simpler list-

FOR REAL

Orc-Draught

FOR FUNNY

Longbeards
Beor the Old
Cram
Brandy Hall

There's a clear choice for the real category, with Brandy Hall perhaps straddling the real and humor, and so far as humor goes it's all down to what is striking at the moment (is it funnier to call Beor, Cram, or Dwarves "spicy"?).

[Boromir88]

Round 24 will be our last round. By then most will be down to no more red taters or just 1 left.

[Gwathagor]

Now taking bribes.

[Boromir88]

Quite disappointed in this severe lack of bribing.

[Nogrod]

If you pick one of the list of four tp offered as funny I promise to make an AKM article on 2013 about the gifted T-I-G player GwathWolf. If you pick mine I'll promise to tell how great player he is ine every match-analysis the AKM produces.

How's about that for bribing? :)

[Nogrod]

Oh, and of course the funniest one needs to be something that is along the lines of a "for real" answer while being anything but... :D

[Gwathagor]

Quite disappointed in this severe lack of bribing.

Not nearly as disappointed as I am.

[Gwathagor]

If you pick one of the list of four tp offered as funny I promise to make an AKM article on 2013 about the gifted T-I-G player GwathWolf. If you pick mine I'll promise to tell how great player he is ine every match-analysis the AKM produces.

How's about that for bribing? :)

Excellent. But, unfortunately, they just aren't that funny, and so I'm going to have to go with:

ORC-DRAUGHT

[Boromir88]

G55 trying to make a late surge, scores again. :D

[Boromir88]

Tally

Gwath- 4 (Neglected, Charming, Rank, Conceited)
the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Kath- 2 (Attractive, Dashing)
G55- 2 (Radiant, Spicy)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)

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ROUND 22

Kath, choose your "cranky" winner amongst:

Bill Huggins
Balin
Caradhras
Goldberry
Thranduil
Withered Heath
Moneybags
Osgiliath
Armenolos
Mathom House
Balrogs

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ROUND 23

Green tater: Bold (courageous, daring)
Judge: Lhuna

[Kath]

My immediate kneejerk reactions there were Caradhras and Moneybags - however, I am willing to be swayed by good arguments for other options! Boro has the current winner if I don't make it back by deadline but I certainly intend to so give me some strong defences to read please. :smokin:

[Nogrod]

I would add both Thranduil and Balin to the list of the best picks. Just think of that meeting of Bilbo & the dwarves and Thranduil at the Elvenking's Hall! :)

Also, I'm not sure Moneybags is such a good choice - while agreeing with Caradhras a lot.

[Boromir88]

Just seeing the PM and...

Balrogs is also added with the note "as plenty of evidence shows they don't like waking up early."

[Galadriel55]

Spot On
Bill Huggins
Balin
Caradhras
Thranduil
Balrogs (courtesy of the note)


Meh
Goldberry
Withered Heath
Moneybags
Osgiliath
Armenolos
Mathom House

[Gwathagor]

Caradhras or Balrog for my money.

[the phantom]

Definitely Caradhras for a legit pick. Goldberry for the best joke.

[Galadriel55]

It seems most people have Caradhras as one of their favourites...

[Kath]

Haha you have all been terrible at convincing me otherwise so Caradhras it is! :)

[Boromir88]

And the owner of Caradhras...

Lottie! :D

Last and final round posted in roughly an hour.

[Nogrod]

Hah, only now on board... And you Kath didn't se the ingenuity of picking Thranduil, the cranky elven king?

I mean, as a child when I read the book the first time I hated him being such a cranky old man who for his crabbyness didn't even investigate the issue and locked the dwarves and Bilbo in for no good reason but his crankyness... :)

[Boromir88]

Tally

Gwath- 4 (Neglected, Charming, Rank, Conceited)
the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Kath- 2 (Attractive, Dashing)
G55- 2 (Radiant, Spicy)
Lottie- 2 (Melodramatic, Cranky)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)

*Heh, Lottie is Melodramatic and Cranky...sorry! :p
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ROUND 23

Ok Lhuna, you're next up and have "Bold"

Shadowfax
The Bald Hill
Osse
Durin's Bane
Wilderland
Elros
Turin
Grond
Beleriand
The Black Arrow
Farthing Stone

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ROUND 24

Green tater: Creative (imaginative, artistic, original)
Judge: Nogrod

Since Nogrod has no more remaining he will judge the final round. After this everyone should have either none or 1 left, and we'll be finished.

If you have 1 left, please still PM it to me, just to make sure it matches with what I have down. A few times I repeated some of the red taters and I believe I caught those times before there were any mix-ups. But I would just like to double-check. Thanks. :D

[Galadriel55]

Haha, Bald Hill rocks! :D

[Gwathagor]

Somebody misread. The Green Tater was Bold, not Bald.

[Nogrod]

Somebody misread. The Green Tater was Bold, not Bald.Exactly.

I'd say, shortly (just going to sleep), that Ossë and Túrin make perfect sense.

Wilderland and Beleriand are interesting options thinking it outside the box.

Shadowfax is a nice one - and one could think of Grond fitting the description - as well as Durin's Bane.

I'd pick from those...

[Lhunardawen]

*Heh, Lottie is Melodramatic and Cranky...sorry! :p

And Lhuna is weary. Funny how the only round I've won has the adjective that best describes me right now among all the words.

No strong candidates jumping out at me so far for this round. I'm very much pliable. Send me a cup of coffee and I'll pick your tater.

[Nogrod]

A cup of nice hot java! *here*

I hope you enjoy it and that it refreshes. And well, if a thought can refresh, then I hope it works, whatever the taters.

[Gwathagor]

Personally, I probably would go with Bald Hill. Never pass up an opportunity to anthropomorphize inanimate objects. Plus, as my dad says, "Bald is beautiful."

[the phantom]

My favorites for bold are definitely Turin and Shadowfax. They both repeatedly dashed into peril with confidence.

[Loslote]

*Heh, Lottie is Melodramatic and Cranky...sorry! :p

I have my moments. :p

[Lhunardawen]

Apologies for deciding too early, but I need my sleep and I've already made up my mind on ++Túrin. The others just don't have, or at least were not able to show, the same daring - most of the time even reckless - nature.

[Boromir88]

No worries Lhuna, thanks for remembering in your daily hecticness. :D

Lottie's long saving of Turin pays off, that's back-to-back. :)

[satansaloser2005]

It's okay. I can't win, but I can at least tie the phantom. :smokin:

[Boromir88]

Tally

Gwath- 4 (Neglected, Charming, Rank, Conceited)
the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Lottie- 3 (Melodramatic, Cranky, Bold)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
sally - 2 (Chewy, Dangerous)
Kitanna - 2 (Deadly, Sensitive)
Kath- 2 (Attractive, Dashing)
G55- 2 (Radiant, Spicy)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)

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ROUND 24

Several realms and places for you Nog, but many of which fit for creative, in my opinion. :)

Formenos
Woodwoses
Hennuth Annun
Helm's Deep
The Wooden Whale
The Golden Hall
Sinking of Numenor
Doriath
Undying Lands
Mordor

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[Loslote]

Lottie's long saving of Turin pays off, that's back-to-back. :)

I would like to thank all the little people whose names I can't remember...

As for 'creative', Helm's Deep, maybe, or The Sinking of Numenor strike me as particularly good choices.

[Nogrod]

Creative (imaginative, artistic, original)

Just the first impressions before going to sleep.


The Undying Lands, for sure.

Sinking of Númenor, for a funny - or creative - answer.

Formenos, for a pretty good one.

Mordor or the Golden Hall, maybe...


Or any other option if you can make me think it that way.

[the phantom]

With Formenos leading off the list it was rather easy to eliminate the ones that came after- until reaching the Undying Lands. Both of those are very good. Formenos as the home of the ultra-creative Feanor and the Undying Lands as the home of the Ainur who sang creation into existence.

For a Feanor-phile Formenos probably wins, and for others the Undying Lands is the choice.

[Gwathagor]

I like to think a lot of creation went into building the Wooden Whale...

[Nogrod]

Last round, less than ten minutes and no arguments made on behalf or against anyone / -thing since the beginning... :(

HOw do you think I will choose if you don't help me out?

[Nogrod]

Hirilondë - the most creative thing in that was the size... dismissed.

Mordor - anything Sauron "created" was a mock image of the real artistry of creation... twisted imitations, so nothing original. Dismissed.

The Golden Hall - doesn't even come near... dismissed.


Formenos - a great triumph of creativity (the fortress) where a lot of talent lived. A good one.

The Undying lands - A lot of the same as with Formenos, but with larger scale. A very good one.


But as no one rfeally put themselves into arguing anything the winner is

++ Sinking of Numénor

Just for the entertainment value of the idea of that being Eru's most imaginative idea of how to get rid of the too self-confident and vain Numénorians...

and you know what the liberalists talk nowadays about the "creative destruction"! To the point! :eek::smokin:

[Boromir88]

And in a decision that seemed to come down between sally's and phantom's choices...sally achieves her goal of tying the phantom. :p

That's it, thanks to you all for participating and making it fun for me to "moderate." I think it went very well and I hope everyone had fun with it too. :D

[satansaloser2005]

My life is complete. I'm glad I saved that tater for last after all. ^_^

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I've been following this for the last couple of rounds, quite fun. By any chance, are there plans for the future to repeat this? :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What Legate said...

[Boromir88]

Yes, that was the idea is to have as many repeats as long as they were desired. :D

Some of the days I was disappointed with the lack of arguments during judging, but I know several people were getting RL smush towards the end. And it's not like WW where you need everyone to post so you can get 'evidence' to go on. So, I still wouldn't have any sort of requirement to argue/campaign for the choices. I just think it can be an interesting dynamic, since in the RL game the judge makes a rather immediate choice and here, you'll get a good 24 hours to deliberate.

I wouldn't mind running it again, because it's actually very amusing being behind the scenes and seeing what everyone's choices are. I also wouldn't oppose passing on all the stuff if I'm unable to do it and someone else does. It would basically be a spreadsheet of all the red taters, and then a list of the players with their current hand. It's not very time consuming to run with all the prep work done.

So, short answer is, sure. I'm game. :D

[Nogrod]

I think I share Boro's feeling...

It was fun to play, but for me clearly, the most fun rounds were those when people actually made different suggestions as to why pick this or that tater and others argued against them giving their own.

Also, I know I was one of the loudest advocats to suggest we should tighten the pace of the game from the original 24 hours picking your choice + 24 hours debate / judge working into the adopted two rounds going on at the same time -game. It would be interesting to hear from others who played, did they feel the pace was too quick aka. would they have posted more if it had been played in a more leasurely pace?

But like Boro said, as this is not a ww-game not participating in the discussion on one day or another isn't such a crucial matter. Although I think it would be merrier if more paople voiced their minds - or tried to persuade the judge more - as that would generate more discussion and thus fun.


That said, I'm naturally game for another round. :)


Congrats Sally! I knew I made a decent pick there in the end... :cool:

And congrats also to Gwath who seemed to have compensated his second place in the Arda Cup phantasy tournament by winning this one...

And thanks to the phantom for a very consistent posting - and everyone for a nice game!

And last but not least: thanks Boro for coming up and organising this!

[Loslote]

Thanks for running this, Boro. I had a lot of fun. The game was very well thought out and executed. :D I do hope we can play again. This is about as much time commitment I can make at this point, so it's nice to still be able to be active in something. ;)

[Gwathagor]

You WOULD remind me of my dismal failure in the Arda Cup, wouldn't you, Nogrod? :rolleyes: ;)

[Nogrod]

You WOULD remind me of my dismal failure in the Arda Cup, wouldn't you, Nogrod? :rolleyes: ;)Haha! Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't... *ahem*

But it's only fair you don't win each and every game that is played on the BD, don't you think so? :)

[MCRmyGirl4eva]

This was fun, but I'm not going to sign up for the next round. It's not really all that fair for me to play when I can't make the deadlines, and so, my slot is now available to any who wish to play. Might pop in to laugh at this, though! (Actually, I'm definately going to laugh at this when I can.)

[Galadriel55]

Nice game, everyone! Thanks Boro!

I'm curious as to what taters people played for each round. I know we've shared some of that already, but I think it's even funnier to see the taters by player and not by round.

Here are mine, in no particular order:

Radiant - Two Trees of Valinor
Spicy - Orc-draught
Creative - Formenos
Bold - Osse
Neglected - Halls of Mandos
Rank - Aule
Honest - Huan (well, they both start with H...)
Deadly - Gaffer Gamgee
Cuddly - Watcher in the Water
Extraordinary - Lembas (as I told Boro in a PM, I was hoping I could pair this one up with "doomed". It was so funny thinking about how doomed it would be if the baker forgot s/he put it in the oven!)
Violent - Ar-Pharazon
Peaceful - Minas Tirith
Charming - Melian
Ridiculous - Ban of the Valar
Weary - Maedhros
Chewy - Burrahobbit
Dangerous - Elendil
Attractive - Elwing (Elwing and Earendil...haha!)
Conceited - Maeglin
Dashing - the Petty-dwarves (three were certainly dashing through the forest too near Turin's men!)
Cranky - Osgiliath (think of all that abandoned furniture going "crank! crank!" with every gust of wind... this is so ridiculous it makes me laugh the most)


I think I'll be ok with schedules if I sign up for the next round.

[the phantom]

I played a couple good ones, but several times I tossed ones just to get something better. Unfortunately I never got what I considered a golden chance to play one of my favorite cards (Nirnaeth Arnoediad), so I still had it in my hand.

I would've loved for Longbeards to be picked for Spicy or Forlong the Fat for Attractive as jokes, or for a serious pick the Silmarils for dangerous, but other than that I wasn't really in the running on the others and generally didn't bother to recommend my own submissions once I gained three (though Shadowfax was justifiably bold, but next to Turin I didn't feel the need to push him).

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

When/if you play another game, I'd like to join. This sounds fun, and I love Apples to Apples. :D

[Oddwen]

This was a great idea Boro, and fun to watch! I'd love to sign up for the next game.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'd certainly be up for playing again.

[Boromir88]

I should be able to start a new one around the end of September (like 29th-30th). Glad to see the several new faces too. :D

[A Little Green]

Count me in for the next one, too, please! Sorry I missed this one, things happened.