Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward

[Lalaith]

Curse this lack of lynching and lack of role reveal...it makes a person think in circles. I can't remember a game where I've suspected so many people and felt so paranoid.

I still can't keep from wondering, why did Nerwen die and not Kuru?
And why have Kuru and Legate supported each other so stalwartly throughout this game and no-one thought it odd?
Kuru, as I said before, you may be innocent in which case your bloodlust to raise a lynchmob against me is misguided - but if you are guilty you have played brilliantly.

[Loslote]

So why you'd continue to push Lalaith over Boro when the facts clearly show that more people suspect Boro escapes me.

Yes, the idea that a thinking human being would have opinions that they would hold to under peer pressure astonishes me, too. :rolleyes:

I still suspect Lalaith, but I would prefer Shasta if other people would be down for that.

And I'm terribly sorry that my chronic illness is depriving you of entertainment, Shasta, but don't worry - I'll be dead soon enough, and you'll have to come up with something else to do once I'm gone. ;)

Edit: xed since my last

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I feel much worse about Shasta following his attacks on Kuru and Boro toDay, both because of the potential motivation behind the attacks and the manner of the attacks themselves. He seemed almost desperate to swing the momentum back against Kuru, and kept picking at little things like why Boro didn't vote yesterDay (which made sense to me, he didn't have enough time to read through properly and didn't think he had a good idea of who might be guilty yet) or why Kuru didn't want to lynch Boro toDay despite suspecting him (again, makes perfect sense, we have targets that deserve higher lynching priority). I would put Shasta at the top of my list toDay.

I was desperate, I woke up four hours before deadline! :eek:

Lottie, do me a favor here - really look at what I'm saying. We elected to no-lynch for two days in a row - is it really that far-fetched that the wolves would elect to do the same once? Especially given the position it's put Kuru in - you seem to trust him implicitly without really questioning it, based purely on "well, he claimed to have been demoralized".

And I say again, "higher lynching priority"? By my count, most of people who've expressed a preference have put Boro highest on their lists. That's highest lynching priority by default.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yes, the idea that a thinking human being would have opinions that they would hold to under peer pressure astonishes me, too.

Not the point. Kuru deliberately misrepresented the number of people that suspect Lalaith and ignored Boro entirely.

[Kuruharan]

I still suspect Lalaith, but I would prefer Shasta if other people would be down for that.

I'd be down for that. :cool:

And I say again, "higher lynching priority"? By my count, most of people who've expressed a preference have put Boro highest on their lists. That's highest lynching priority by default.

I don't want Boro lynched toDAY. I don't advocate that and don't support that.

So, I'm moving to another person that appears frequently on the suspicion lists.

[Kuruharan]

Not the point. Kuru deliberately misrepresented the number of people that suspect Lalaith and ignored Boro entirely.

You're getting so divorced from reality that it is almost to the point of not being worth responding to you. :rolleyes:

Also, see my previous post.

[Lalaith]

f all three of Legate, Kuru, and I are out of the running for the lynch toDay, then that leaves only four people - Lommy, Lalaith, Boro, and Shasta. We have between three and two wolves in those four people, depending on Zil's alignment. The chances of us hitting a wolf are really very good so long as we stick to only these four people. If we suddenly expand that to include Legate and Kuru, then our chances go way down. So I'm very suspicious of the people trying to cast suspicion on either of those two - yesterDay it was mostly on Legate, toDay it seems to mostly be on Kuru, but both Days the suspicion was flaky and unsubstantiated.
But Lottie, what if your supposition was wrong? You are powerful as a known innocent, and you have got yourself into an alliance with two people that you assume are also innocent. If other people point out that they don't take these assumptions at face value and would like them examined and challenged, that doesn't mean that these people are by default guilty.

[Loslote]

I've already explained why that vote doesn't actually mean much other than looking good.

That's all well and good, but it does mean something. I wanted to lynch Lalaith, and it was your half vote against Zil that broke the tie and caused me to lynch Zil. Votes do matter, even if they are not built on a foundation of strong suspicion.

I still can't keep from wondering, why did Nerwen die and not Kuru?

Actually, of all the confusing things about this game, this one doesn't surprise me. When Nerwen died, the loss of one innocent wasn't that big a blow - and there was some doubt that it was a genuine despair (my fault, admittedly). Maybe the Herbalist wouldn't have wanted to potentially waste a heal on someone who they weren't sure about, or maybe they wanted to save it for a time when it would help the village more. If Kuru had died, we would potentially have been in a 3-3 split between innocents and wolves - and the Herbalist didn't even know who I'd chosen to have lynched! I would have saved him, too. Saving Kuru helped the village much, much more than saving Nerwen would have, just because of the timing alone.

Edit: xed with everyone since my last

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You're getting so divorced from reality that it is almost to the point of not being worth responding to you. :rolleyes:

Also, see my previous post.

I was doing you the courtesy of assuming you had the ability of going back and reading what people have said today, but perhaps I was expecting too much. Here, let me collate that information for you - there were two people that suspected Lalaith the most and three that suspected Boro the most.

In any case, I'm about done with you myself. :cool:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ugh. What a mess. I must say I could probably spend several pages analysing how Kuru and Shasta are overreacting to each other, but for the moment, let me say one thing - I am currently starting to think much worse about Shasta again. It isn't that I can't see the response to an attack like Kuru's to be adequate, but the tone strikes me as overly defensive. Plus thinking about Shasta in the "big picture" again, what Lottie said about the WWs needing to misdirect things sort of makes sense.

Gotta think. I am still around for a short time.

EDIT: x-ed with about four last posts

[Kuruharan]

Just as an aside, I'm beginning to think the reason for this tirade is that the wolves are all effectively caught by the tail, fear the handwriting is on the wall and are trying desperate measures.

Makes me feel better about Inzil's guilt actually. I'm not sure wolves would launch themselves like this if three of them were left.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That's all well and good, but it does mean something. I wanted to lynch Lalaith, and it was your half vote against Zil that broke the tie and caused me to lynch Zil. Votes do matter, even if they are not built on a foundation of strong suspicion.

That's not my argument. My point is - Kuru may have voted Lalaith, but he did it at a time when he could have expected the votes to be tied (as, indeed, they were), and he set himself up with his comments on Inzil to look like he supported the lynch either way it went.

[Kuruharan]

I was doing you the courtesy of assuming you had the ability of going back and reading what people have said today, but perhaps I was expecting too much. Here, let me collate that information for you - there were two people that suspected Lalaith the most and three that suspected Boro the most.

And, again, I don't want to lynch Boro toDAY, I'm not convinced he is guilty, so I won't advocate for that so I offer up somebody else on the suspicion list for consideration.

[Loslote]

Lottie, do me a favor here - really look at what I'm saying. We elected to no-lynch for two days in a row - is it really that far-fetched that the wolves would elect to do the same once? Especially given the position it's put Kuru in - you seem to trust him implicitly without really questioning it, based purely on "well, he claimed to have been demoralized".

Incorrect. When Kuru claimed to be demoralized, I seriously considered if he was lying, and then I decided that he didn't have enough motivation to merit that play. I trusted him before he claimed to be demoralized, as did, I think, most of the people around that Day (at least that's the impression I had the Day before he was targeted). He gained no trust from the village because of his claim, and in fact, threw himself further into the spotlight than he had been before. That wouldn't have been a good move for a wolf in the position he had been in when he would have had to make that decision.

Not the point. Kuru deliberately misrepresented the number of people that suspect Lalaith and ignored Boro entirely.

...wow. Deliberately misrepresented? There are seven of us, the difference between 'many' and 'few' is exactly one person. I think you are too caught up in trying to see a Kuruwolf that you're seeing fur where there is none.

But Lottie, what if your supposition was wrong? You are powerful as a known innocent, and you have got yourself into an alliance with two people that you assume are also innocent. If other people point out that they don't take these assumptions at face value and would like them examined and challenged, that doesn't mean that these people are by default guilty.

I could always be wrong! You could be wrong about me! At a certain point, some things have to be believed, or else you have nothing to go on whatsoever! I trust Legate because he has been level-headed and suggested great ideas that kept the village as safe as possible all game. I trust Kuru because he has been level-headed and willing to engage in open discussion about the game and his suspicions the whole game. Legate and Kuru played smart and stayed active, and they went out of their way to come up with ideas that would seriously hurt the wolves' chances when there was no need to do that, and that is why I trust them.

Edit: xed with everyone since my last

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fine. I think two of our wolves are Kuru and Boro, but I'm not going to sit here and continue beating my head against a wall. I'll be back a bit before deadline.

[Lalaith]

Anyway this is all feeling very claustrophobic, half the village aren't even here and it's nearly voting time and certainly v close to my RL bedtime.
++Loslote but please look outside the box...

[Kuruharan]

I'm very interested to hear Lommy's perspective on things if she is around and reading.

[Loslote]

I'm very interested to hear Lommy's perspective on things if she is around and reading.

Agreed - and Boro's, preferably. I thought Lalaith's summary of the situation:

Anyway this is all feeling very claustrophobic, half the village aren't even here and it's nearly voting time and certainly v close to my RL bedtime.
++Loslote but please look outside the box...

felt very genuine and more like an innocent than a wolf, which makes me feel better about her (and, therefore, makes me question Boro and Lommy a little bit more).

[Kuruharan]

and Boro's, preferably.

Yes, I would like to see Boro weigh in.

Unfortunately, I think his post earlier today strongly implied that he wouldn't be back.:( I hope he comes back, though.

Kind of makes him a bit of a convenient target, no?

[Kuruharan]

I figure I may as well post this now since the DAY is wrapping up.

I think Lottie is right on the money when she says that the wolves decided that they had to make a big push and try to tear down the likely innocents. Legate's tactic of non-lynching, even though we had to leave it, definitely put them in a bind. And note (as Lottie did) that the target yesterDAY, seemed to be Legate. Quite possibly because they were operating off of Shasta's belief that the Herbalist only had one heal in total, had used it, and that I was doomed.

That didn't work for them. I was saved and here I am. :)

This, and the things that have happened today, make me feel more confident than I had felt before that Inzil was, in fact, guilty. The numbers tell me that the wolves wouldn't have felt the need to launch themselves at me so strongly toDAY if there were three of them.

I still feel quite strongly that Lalaith is guilty as she was one of the attempted underminers of Legate yesterDAY and is one of them of me toDAY. However, I will admit that she hasn't been so strong on it.

[Kuruharan]

And by "strong on it," since my words are being parsed to utter pieces, I mean she hasn't seemed to be attempting to undermine me toDAY as strong as she was trying to undermine Legate yesterDAY.

[Thinlómien]

Well, I don't have a perspective really.

The whole Shasta-Kuru spat is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, like I'd rather focus on something else entirely toDay. I'm well aware I don't probably have that luxury. Besides, maybe it's exactly what one or both of them wanted - have such a prolonged fight that wears out the other villagers, I think we've all seen those before.

Anyway, I'm still 80-90% sure Kuru is innocent.

Shasta? Could be either way, but leaning guilty. Like Lottie said, he seems to be playing an entirely different game than the rest of us which either means 1) he is a wolf or 2) he isn't a wolf because no one else seems to be sharing his bizarre perspective and if it was just a wolvish perspective maybe there would be more support for it (unless his fellows were McCaber and Inzil, which ould explain the borderline desperation).

Others? I'm still worried and frustrated by Boro and I'm just saying that if he wins this game as a wolf it's plain unfair. It would make sense to wait for him to appear and contribute, but I'm not sure he's going to (be able to) do that.

Lalaith and Legate still look pretty innocent to me, but I'm aware there's a fairly high probability at least one of them is a wolf. If Lottie is a wolf, hats off for an insane bold strategy that I'm unable to decipher.

For lynch, I would support either Shasta or Boro.


edit: xed with the three Kurus

[Boromir88]

Remember when I said this back in #191 (everyone should be able to, not like I've done much of anything):

I wouldn't be throwing any parties. I'm likely to be pretty useless for as long as I'm still around, just a tired soul who's going to be an body for the cold stone tomb whenever the conspirators get into a sticky spot. (I see it's kinda started to happen).

But rest assured I won't go out THAT way (mod-firing). The conspirators will have to stick their necks out if they want me gone...I just can't see (nor should anyone expect) myself doing anything to make them want to get rid of me this time. :/

I figured out early on, I wasn't going to be able to do much good in terms of contributing suspicions/ideas/strategy, but I was not going out via mod-fire. I could at least fulfill my civilian obligation and in that way make the conspirators work to convince the rep and innocents into getting rid of me.

I won't blame the rep (assuming it's going to be Lottie tonight), if the will of the people says I should go. My lack of activity isn't a choice. I never choose to be unhelpful (even as a baddie I try to at least appear helpful). I'm helping to the best of my abilities right now...by assuring I wasn't going out from a mod-fire, I would at least make the conspirators waste a day on me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Agreed - and Boro's, preferably.

I am pretty much convinced he's not coming back.

Anyway. I am sorta looking forward to see Lommy post (I would expect her to do so in a few minutes), then also based on that, I think I will just vote and then go to sleep.

EDIT: look at that. I was wrong. (x-ed with Boro and Lommy)

[Kuruharan]

edit: xed with the three Kurus

Sorry. :(

[Thinlómien]

++Lottie for rep

I'm glad Boro's back, but his apologetic manner really rubs me the wrong way. I mean, missing most of the game is reason enough for an apology :p but the tone just felt off to me.

I'll be off for a sec and then back for a teeny bit before I go to sleep.


edit: xed with Kuru who shouldn't apologise for actually talking in a quieter than usual village

[Kuruharan]

++Lottie for Rep

My vote is ++Shasta.

Frankly, I'm convinced that either Shasta or Lalaith will work as I think they are both wolves. And no that is not waffling.

Please do not lynch Boro toNIGHT because the probabilities on him being a wolf are not as strong. I fear the tide will turn strongly against the Ward if we lynch incorrectly toNIGHT so we need to go with the highest probabilities.

EDIT: I keep on forgetting to put pluses on my votes for rep for some reason.

[Lalaith]

Is it just me being tired or did Boro's post say some really quite strange things just now?
Well I'm going to sleep and don't really know who to defintively suggest for lynching.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay okay, so after this... well. I guess super-meta-rethinking probably does not make sense at this point.

I think it does not make sense to lynch Boro in the light of what he just said, if we look at it from the general perspective.

I would, therefore, be probably okay with lynching Shasta toDay. What just worries me is that there seems to be such a nice consensus (meaning also Lommy now). In other words, yes, I would be much happier if the only people who agreed on it were the "known innocents", because everything else might mean a Wolf merrily contributing to lynching somebody else. But who knows.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy, Kuru and Lalaith

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For what good it may do me at this point, I still think Inzil was innocent. My views on Kuru and Boro haven't changed, either - I'll point out that someone can be inactive as a wolf as much as they can be inactive as an innocent, whether or not that inactivity was a choice (sorry, Boro).

I think Lalaith and Legate are innocent. Lottie obviously so. Makes the last wolf Lommy by process of elimination. It'll be cool to see if I'm right at the end regardless of Lottie's choice today.

Good night.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, last post of Lal's also further strenghtens my belief that her generally noncommital attitude (neither making a strong case for anyone, yet repeatedly chiming in with "...oh, and btw this person looks suspicious, too") seems Wolfy.

But, for now anyway:

++Loslote for Rep

And I think I would be for lynching either Shasta or Lalaith. Truth be told, I started thinking differently about Shasta mostly in light of his exchange with Kuru, plus giving a bit more credit to the possibility that he might have been together with theoretical Zilwolf. I am just hoping we are on the right track here.

EDIT: x-ed with Shasta

[Thinlómien]

I would, therefore, be probably okay with lynching Shasta toDay. What just worries me is that there seems to be such a nice consensus (meaning also Lommy now). In other words, yes, I would be much happier if the only people who agreed on it were the "known innocents", because everything else might mean a Wolf merrily contributing to lynching somebody else. But who knows.That's the thing that bugs me too. It seems almost too easy.

Then again, most other things seem too complicated.

Gah. I'd almost be up for lynching Boro toDay, but I suppose I'm in the minority.


edit: xed with Legatolas

[Kuruharan]

That's the thing that bugs me too. It seems almost too easy.

Then again, most other things seem too complicated.

My theory is that the wolves felt pressed and decided they had to put themselves out there toDAY and make an open effort for victory.

[Loslote]

Adieu, all - I think the Herbalist has nary an herb left, and the light grows dim in my eyes...but I will take one last wolf with me ere I go!

(Hopefully, anyway. Good hunting. :smokin: )

[satansaloser2005]

The Day is now closed. Hush. That's it. Go to sleep. Good night....

[Thinlómien]

My theory is that the wolves felt pressed and decided they had to put themselves out there toDAY and make an open effort for victory.What do you mean? How does that explain nobody defending Shasta?

Anyway, I have to wake up in 6h (oopsie), so for the record, my preferred lynch would be

Boro > Shasta > Lalaith > Legate > Kuru > Lottie

I'm feeling quite okay toDay, whoever we end up lynching. Maybe it's false optimism, but I'm thinking we bagged a wolf yesterDay when we lynched Inzil, and we've still had very few Black Breath kills and I'm optimistic our gifted can still avert another kill or two.


edit: xed with Lottie and THE MODDESS

IT'S DEADLINE NOW ALREADY??? :eek: So sorry mods bods, I will delete my post if you ask! I was 99% sure the DL was 3 not 2 am Finnish time. Did it move?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Erm, was it the DL? Okay, it apparently was. Ugh, weird. I guess Americans don't have daylight savings time? (The clock got changed here last Saturday.) Well, here I thought we still have an hour. Fair enough. I didn't want to say anything more, just wanted to say "++Shasta" if it wasn't clear. (I was brushing my teeth for a couple of minutes thinking there was no rush, I see there was. Hope it doesn't matter!)

[satansaloser2005]

Deep in the night, Shasta awoke from his troubled sleep. His nightmares had been terrible, but likely no worse than anyone else in the Ward. Tonight, however, he could not rest, haunted by the memory of his lost friends, with one fellow patient in particular.

Throwing on his coat and shoes, he set out into the streets, letting his feet take him wherever they happened to go. Some time later, he found himself standing in front of the morgue. It was unsurprisingly dark, and he looked around, finding the surrounding area to be unoccupied. He drew a thin piece of metal from his pocket and jammed it into the gate lock. His feet padded along the entry walkway and toward the door, making no sound neither with the gate latch nor the front door of the morgue."I was hoping this would come in handy, but not like this."

The interior was cold and somewhat damp, and it smelled of dust and decay. Following the hallways, he reached the room where the Breath victims were kept. The door was locked, as expected. He swore as his pick broke off inside the hole, but at least it had done its job: the door creaked open to reveal an empty foyer and a stairway descending to the lower floor.

Regretting his present course of action with every step, he approached one of the bodies. Lifting the sheet from the corpse's face revealed it to be someone he didn't know, likely one of the first to be admitted to the Ward. With time and a strong stomach, he came across the familiar face he longed to see one more time.

"You should have listened," he told Nerwen's lifeless body. "We should have left the city before this started. I didn't think you would- I didn't want this to happen."

Overcome by emotion and the ever-present urge to burst into song, he choked back tears, grasping Nerwen's cold hand in his own.

There's a world, there's a world I know
A place we can go where the pain will go away
There's a world where the sun shines each day
There's a world, there's a world out there
I'll show you just where
And in time I know you'll see
There's a world where we can be free- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ch9ILDHAus)

"Come with me," interjected a deep voice.

Shasta whirled around just in time to be assaulted by two guards. He tried to protest, but he was bound, blindfolded, and gagged in seconds. The last thing he saw was the hand of his queen hanging limply from the table on which he left her.

~~~~~~~~

The next morning, the Ward discovered Shasta's house empty, the only remaining possessions a wilting rose and a small book of poetry.

"It still smells sweet," Lottie noted softly, stroking the petals. "What will happen to it now?"

"I'm not sure," Sally admitted with a shrug, but then her shoulders slumped. "More importantly, we still have one more day. What will happen to us?"

The only response Sally received was an eery chorus of, "I don't know."



It is now Day 5.


Patients
Kuru
Lottie
Lalaith
Lommy
Legate
Boro

The Morgue
Phantom (for posterity)
McCaber
Nerwen
Dun
Shasta

[Loslote]

I'm alive?!?!? (https://youtu.be/-b5OxLRlBr0?t=158) Thanks, Herbalist! :D

Also, hopefully the bit where Shasta had wanted to leave with Nerwen before this started suggests that he's a wolf? *crossing fingers*

I *think* we're in a pretty good spot toDay. I read both of the narrations as suggesting a successful wolf kill, and clearly the Herbalist at least is still alive, if they were able to save me last Night. I haven't run the numbers, but might we be back in a scenario where a no-lynch would be a good idea toDay? Six people are left. We are probably down at least one wolf between Zil and Shasta, so they won't outnumber us if all they have is one last Night-kill, and so few of us have actually died, I wouldn't be surprised if both of our Gifteds are still around. Of course, we would be relying on a) the wolves not to have targeted whoever the Herbalist is last Night, b) the Bard still being alive and/or c) at least one wolf is dead, but I think the odds are pretty good.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I happened to be awake for the DL toNight, but I am heading to sleep in a second. I can just as well post when I am here, however.
Also, hopefully the bit where Shasta had wanted to leave with Nerwen before this started suggests that he's a wolf? *crossing fingers*.

Well, I am not sure if I read it that way. My first impression of it was rather negative. Like, a wilting rose and a book of poetry? Doesn't it look like either Herbalist (plant) or Bard (poetry)? But then again of course, given that there were both of them, it makes it somewhat inconclusive. Still.

I would however think a no-lynch is not a good option for us anymore, since we started it once. It is all quite hazy at this point, the numbers can be anything, but generally, we still have at least one Wolf (even if both the lynched ones were Wolves, which I am not much convinced about). I think lynching would be the best option. Whom do people think the most likely to be Wolf (ev. Wolves, if the two lynched ones were innocent)?

EDIT: anyway, going to sleep now, but will be around in some hours after I sleep, so :)

[Kuruharan]

Well, this is not the scenario I expected to confront toDAY, it is much, much better!

Yay! Lottie is still with us! :D

Yay! The Herbalist had enough juice for one more healing!

And Yay! The Herbalist is still with us!

So...anybody feeling ill?

I am pretty confident that we are down at least one wolf...and honestly I think we are down two.

I would, for that reason, tentatively suggest that it might be possible for us to win with a no lynch toDAY. I will have to run the numbers tomorrow morning (in real time for me) because I'm too tired right now.

However, all that being said, I had a post more or less ready to go for right now so I'm going to put up a version modified for our new, much brighter, circumstances...

The soundtrack to be listened to while reading the rest of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpYBT0XyvA)...which I think is highly appropriate in just about every particular...except for maybe one or two details...

The Lalaith Case

So I went back and looked at her posts for the last two DAYS...and I strongly encourage everyone to check the links and go back and re-read the posts for themselves.

DAY THREE

Post 180 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705669&postcount=180) - In this post she suggests that McCaber was a wolf - and then suggests that this might point toward Legate being a wolf.

Then she says that I might be a wolf and was gambling that Boro would not turn up to disprove me. This particular notion, or some version of it kept coming up a few times among certain people.

Post 181 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705670&postcount=181) - She again spends this post speculating various ways that Legate or I could be guilty.

Post 200 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705689&postcount=200) - Says that Boro not claiming to have the Black Breath that DAY makes her feel better about me - *does not believe me to be a wolf anymore.* <- Please make special note of the underlined bit, because there is a sudden change coming DAY FOUR that happens for no stated reason.

DAY FOUR

Post 227 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705733&postcount=227) - Starts off the post by saying that I am probably innocent...and then spends most of the post laying out scenarios where I could be a wolf. Why this suspicion of somebody she has said multiple times she believes is probably innocent? At the very least that is not particularly helpful to the Ward. She should branch out her suspects a little.

Post 251 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705757&postcount=251) - Ahh...she branches out her suspects...back to Legate...and me again.

Post 257 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705764&postcount=257) - Asks Lottie to suspect Legate and myself...even though in Post 200 and Post 227 she said that she thought I was probably innocent.

Post 266 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705773&postcount=266) - Votes and again asks Lottie to suspect the likely innocents...or confirmed innocent in my case since I claimed I had the Black Breath, nobody counter-claimed, and I lived...and nobody unexpectedly succumbed to the Black Breath that NIGHT.

Post 278 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705785&postcount=278) - Said Boro's being strange. Fair point, well made.

The main thing I would like to highlight at the moment is that she is pretty relentlessly suspecting Legate and myself for little other reason than we are widely seen as innocent and not basing her suspicion on anything Legate or I have actually done during the game.

And let's just ignore for the moment the little detail that I'm one of two people playing who are as close a thing to a confirmed innocent as it is possible to have in this game and that was established on DAY FOUR.

What do you mean? How does that explain nobody defending Shasta?

A couple of ways.

1) It seems to me that Lalaith was implicitly supporting him.

2) There may have only been (and I hope there was) only one other wolf in the game left to support him.

[Loslote]

So...anybody feeling ill?

Maybe the Bard made a save last Night. You and Legate have both posted without any despair claims, and I don't think the wolves would have gone for someone else, who might still draw suspicion away from them, so it was probably down to the two of you for who was targeted - and you are closer to a known innocent, so if they'd targeted you, they would have still been able to go after Legate. I'm betting the Bard saved one of the two of you last Night.

That being said, I could be wrong. This is highly speculative! ;)

The main thing I would like to highlight at the moment is that she is pretty relentlessly suspecting Legate and myself for little other reason than we are widely seen as innocent and not basing her suspicion on anything Legate or I have actually done during the game.

I agree, but I also wonder if both of the wolves would have taken this strategy, or if they might've split their forces so that even if targeting you and Legate blew up in Shasta's face (which it did), his packmate would have avoided the crossfire.

Of course, Lalaith did try to stay out of the blow up yesterday between the two of you, so maybe that is what she was trying to do.

[Kuruharan]

Also,

++Lottie for Rep Now and Forever!!!!!!

[Loslote]

You can take this one if everyone else is down with it...I've been hogging the lynches. :p

++Kuru

[Kuruharan]

But...you're awesome. And we might mess up the juju. :smokin:

[Loslote]

But...you're awesome. And we might mess up the juju. :smokin:

Well, for the juju, then. :Merisu::p

[Boromir88]

I would think we could have a no lynch today and be alright. Worst case scenario is 3-3, but that would mean the conspirators have to be Lalaith, Legate, and Lommy, which I'm not seeing as the 3 villains. Shasta, or Inzil (if not both) were a conspirator. If wrong and it's 3-3 we're pretty much dead already, because I have no doubt they could use their advantage now and easily offer me up as the lynch.

I'm thinking it's 4-2, best case scenario is 5-1. In which case, we still have the herbalist, and possibly the bard (I'm not sick, but I'm sure the only reason I haven't been targeted is to keep as lynch fodder).

Even if Legate, Lalaith, or Lommy come out to say they're afflicted with the black breath. Sorry only going to vote Lottie or Kuru for rep. It may be lazy or boring to go with a no lynch and hold on for reinforcements, but if that's now an achievable path to victory, let's do it. There's no shame or cheapness about it, we still had to make key choices to get into this position. So, thank you Lottie and everyone for being wise and level-headed throughout these nightmares.

(Sorry for not bolding anyone's names, this was all typed from my phone). I'll be back at some point to vote for a rep and see what else has happened

[Boromir88]

And if I had to choose in order if most-wolfy to least:

Lalaith - Kuru laid out a solid argument. If there is decided to be a lynch today, she'd be the only one I would want the rep to go for.

Legate and Lommy I'm putting together. It's what gets me thinking there's still 2, but based purely on personal reasons. I've made myself a very easy lynch fodder, and basically the only one the conspirators have to go after right now. So, i know both of them are capable of using that to distract from Lalaith, if one of them was a fellow conspirator. But I wouldn't want either of them lynched just based on that reason alone, especially if we have the ability now to win without a lynch today.

Kuru- if he's a wolf, we're dead already and I tip my cap
To an excellent and brilliantly executed game plan.

[Kuruharan]

Numbers Post.

I'm slightly modifying the format...and this post will be a bit lengthy, but the content is pretty straightforward. I wish it was easier to set up charts and tables on the forum. :(

Worst Case Scenario if we do No-Lynch
DAY ONE
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY TWO
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY THREE
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen

DAY FOUR
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil

DAY FIVE
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil
Shasta

DAY SIX
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil
Shasta
Player 5

I just put both gifteds in there for convenience sake. On the No-Lynch choice in the worst case scenario we would be dependent on a correct bard save/herbalist heal (assuming the herbalist has any juice left). This would be a pretty chancy prospect.

But, I don't for a minute think this is actually the scenario we are facing. And if it is I take my hat off to the wolves.

Medium Case Scenario if we do No-Lynch and assuming No Save
DAY ONE
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY TWO
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY THREE
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen

DAY FOUR
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil

DAY FIVE
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil
Shasta (Baddie 8)

DAY SIX
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil
Shasta (Baddie 8)
Player 4

The wolves already cannot win if we are in this case, they can't get enough kills. A No-Lynch would be viable.

Best Case Scenario if we do No-Lynch and assuming No Save
DAY ONE
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY TWO
McCaber
Nerwen
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10

DAY THREE
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 8
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen

DAY FOUR
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 9
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil (Baddie 8)

DAY FIVE
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil (Baddie 8)
Shasta (Baddie 9)

DAY SIX
Player 4
Player 5
Bard Player
Herbalist Player
Baddie 10
Dead
McCaber
Nerwen
Inzil (Baddie 8)
Shasta (Baddie 9)
Player 3

Also here the wolves are doomed and cannot win regardless of what they do.

My personal belief is we have the best case scenario, but it is possible that we are on medium. There isn't much we can do if we are on worst. We would have to roll the dice on a lynch and hope for the best. But I don't believe we are on the worst case. Nothing about the way this game has unfolded leads me to believe we are facing the worst case scenario right now.

All that being said, I invite everyone to pick apart my numbers and analysis to make sure it is sound. As I said before, never trust me with counting.

While I think we are safe to Not Lynch, I kind of would like to lynch Lalaith. I think the case against her is compelling and I'd like to take a stab at winning this thing with a clean sweep.

But I am not wedded to that if the rest of the Ward doesn't think it advisable.

Xed with 2 Boro's

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am going to say it now in case there is still a reason for it to be relevant in making the numbers, which it probably is. At least as far as the numbers are concerned. If the numbers are not concerned, then we have lost anyway.

I actually am afraid the Bard did not manage to make the save last Night, and that is because woe is me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSwTRIJe9IU).

That is why I believe the only way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMhDPMXWrv4) we can go out of here is that we try to make a lynch toDay. Try to lynch a Wolf.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just in case somebody is skimming through the thread and not paying proper attention to everything, I will repeat this in order to make it visible.

WOE IS ME. (Woe is me, woe is you... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245wB93YzFk) - ok, maybe not the most thematically appropriate, but I have it now stuck in my head with the wrong lyrics)

And I suggest a lynch toDay.

[Kuruharan]

Just in case somebody is skimming through the thread and not paying proper attention to everything, I will repeat this in order to make it visible.

WOE IS ME. (Woe is me, woe is you... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245wB93YzFk) - ok, maybe not the most thematically appropriate, but I have it now stuck in my head with the wrong lyrics)

And I suggest a lynch toDay.

Alas. :(

But there is a silver lining...it removes any further possible suspicions that you are a wolf.

Well, I guess somebody could counter-claim, but I don't think there are any players left in the game who could do so credibly.

[Loslote]

Nooooo...I was so hopeful! :( Now that you've been aflicted, I think we are back to maybe needing to lynch toDay - and I agree that Lalaith seems like the obvious target. Lommy seems more on the innocent side to me, and I don't have a great read on Boro, but I also don't have any particular reasons to suspect him, which means that Lalaith - who I've had reasons to suspect for a while now - would be my pick for Last Lynch.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, the question is what to try to do now. Or rather, whom...

Taking into account every single possibility.

Lalaith would be the simplest option, she was on the table yesterDay besides Shasta. If we are following this through, we may just as well follow it through (https://youtu.be/rrf0cH4o_g4?t=122).

Boro... after his last post... I am not sure, I believe his death won't accomplish anything.

Lommy... I am not sure. If she is a Wolf, I don't think she is a lone one. There would be at least two of them. Possibly three. And in that way, I would prioritise someone else over her.

For the sake of completion, since I said I will mention every single possibility, I think we can't very well steer away from the track of not lynching Lottie or Kuru; that path has been closed to us long time ago. At the latest moment probably sometime yesterDay. It's a game where nobody knows anything, and you just have to close your eyes and make a choice. We did.

[Boromir88]

Aye it appears to be as sure as is possible in a situation like this, we have to make a lynch today.

I can't think of a scenario where LegateWolf would benefit from a false black breath claim, at this time. Lalaith wouldn't be able to convince me if she disputes it.

Now the only question is I need either Kuru or Lottie to answer for me, which one wants to be the rep? You each voted for the other. :rolleyes: Sorry to place this burden on you again, but you haven't steered wrong yet. Who knows how many conspirators got lynched, but with your democratically elected power, you haven't told us you would do one thing and went and done the opposite.

++Lottie for rep

I would say

++Lalaith

I may be back again within the next few hours, but I won't be around for the deadline today. *Looks for the light on the 6th day.* Hoping I live to see it.

[Kuruharan]

For the sake of completion, since I said I will mention every single possibility, I think we can't very well steer away from the track of not lynching Lottie or Kuru; that path has been closed to us long time ago. At the latest moment probably sometime yesterDay. It's a game where nobody knows anything, and you just have to close your eyes and make a choice. We did.

The terror I engender is profound. :p

But seriously, for everyone's benefit, set your minds at rest about Lottie and myself. From a game mechanic standpoint she and I cannot be guilty. Both she and I have claimed the Black Breath (her twice). Nobody actually counter-claimed any DAY we've been hit. We've survived each time and most critically of all, nobody unexpectedly died during the NIGHTS.

Lottie and I cannot be guilty.

Moving on to other matters, if my numbers above are correct, even if Legate succumbs to the Black Breath during the NIGHT (:() we will still win with an innocent to spare if there are anything fewer than three wolves left...and that is assuming no lynch.

The only way we are in trouble at this point is if there *are* three wolves left, and at this point that pack would have to be Boro, Lommy, and Lalaith.

While that is possible (but unlikely in my estimation) all we have to do is kill one of them, which I'm pretty sure we will do.

So, Legate...hurry up and vote Lottie as Rep. :D

Xed with Boro - I would have answered his question in time to help him if only I'd posted sooner.

[Kuruharan]

Also, take note that with his vote Boro just pretty much confirmed that at least one wolf is down.

[Loslote]

The only way we are in trouble at this point is if there *are* three wolves left, and at this point that pack would have to be Boro, Lommy, and Lalaith.

While that is possible (but unlikely in my estimation) all we have to do is kill one of them, which I'm pretty sure we will do.

I agree with your analysis, and I think we're in great shape going into the last Morning. Our last task to lynch Lalaith, and I think we'll have done it. Also,

++Legate for MVP

for his no-lynch plan the first two Days, which I really think played a huge part in getting us here. :D

[Kuruharan]

++Legate for MVP

As outstandingly well (and with a great deal of intestinal fortitude as well) as Legate has played, if some of my theories are correct, there just might be somebody here who has played even better than he has.

And I definitely don't mean me. :o

Of course, if my theories are wrong...then holy cow, Legate would have ascended to phantomic and Nerwenian levels of Werewolf Awesomehood...as if he wasn't there already.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I agree with your analysis, and I think we're in great shape going into the last Morning. Our last task to lynch Lalaith, and I think we'll have done it. Also,

++Legate for MVP

for his no-lynch plan the first two Days, which I really think played a huge part in getting us here. :D

As outstandingly well (and with a great deal of intestinal fortitude as well) as Legate has played, if some of my theories are correct, there just might be somebody here who has played even better than he has.

And I definitely don't mean me. :o

Of course, if my theories are wrong...then holy cow, Legate would have ascended to phantomic and Nerwenian levels of Werewolf Awesomehood...as if he wasn't there already.

Alas, I am not a Wolf, because I agree, it would have been awesome. I would have felt extremely proud and even with the utmost humility I would still be undeniably entitled to do so. But also you have no idea how much I wish you were Wolves right now. I mean, of course I don't want you to be Wolves, but I think I don't deserve half the praise. I think I can say already now (but we can talk about it more after the game) that I feel like I took over lots of the crucial points of the game (like the no-lynch plan in the beginning and so on) and whether it was for good or bad, I am responsible for where it headed; but I am not sure if it wasn't a bit "despotic" from me. In this game, we are all fumbling in the dark more so than usual, so it is difficult to make learned decisions. But we shall see once this game ends what ends did everything serve.

I am very, very, very curious, once this game ends, to learn everybody's roles. Shasta's. Zil's. (McCaber's...)

For now, I think now voting Lottie as rep is indeed the only logical way to go, because after Boro's vote, it's the way to get a decent majority.

But I'll be around and try to think about the lynch-candidates a bit and see if anybody else still posts. (Lommy might only later, from what I know in RL about her schedule, but that's a detail.)

[Kuruharan]

It has gone all quiet.

[Thinlómien]

It has gone all quiet.I'm here finally! Reading and commenting soon.

[Thinlómien]

Whom do people think the most likely to be Wolf (ev. Wolves, if the two lynched ones were innocent)?I still think Inzil-Shasta-Boro would be the most likely combination, but it's not definitely the only option.

I would, for that reason, tentatively suggest that it might be possible for us to win with a no lynch toDAY. I will have to run the numbers tomorrow morning (in real time for me) because I'm too tired right now.No no no no, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make any sense. In fact, it makes me feel a bit iffy about you. It would be pretty nice for the wolves not to get one of them killed but surely we can afford to lose one of hour own if we mislynch? Okay, waiting for the eventual kurumaths post to confirm this...

What do you mean? How does that explain nobody defending Shasta?
A couple of ways.

1) It seems to me that Lalaith was implicitly supporting him.

2) There may have only been (and I hope there was) only one other wolf in the game left to support him. That makes sense to me. Like, I'm not convinced (I still think Lalaith looks fairly innocent), but it's a reasonable hypothesis.

Legate, why did you wait so long to say you had the Black Breath? If you wanted to make me last minute alarmed about you after such an honest-seeming performance, it was exactly that.

Lottie for rep sounds like the sensible way to go. I mean, she's a veteran of the office by now. :p

[Kuruharan]

No no no no, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make any sense. In fact, it makes me feel a bit iffy about you. It would be pretty nice for the wolves not to get one of them killed but surely we can afford to lose one of hour own if we mislynch? Okay, waiting for the eventual kurumaths post to confirm this...

I anticipated you by several hours (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705810&postcount=299). :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, why did you wait so long to say you had the Black Breath? If you wanted to make me last minute alarmed about you after such an honest-seeming performance, it was exactly that.

Sorry about that. Well, the main reason was that I was hoping to see reactions to the Night events before announcing it. But overall, there is not very much rational planning behind it - it was, most of all, the wish to make the WWs freak out at least for a moment by making them think that their Nightly attack was prevented by the Bard. Sort of a payback from my part for targeting me. Although, to be absolutely honest, I was 99,9% sure they would target me. Given that Lottie was supposed to die that Night and Kuru was the second logical choice, which made him likely to be protected by the Bard, it was basically clear that they were going to target me.

[Thinlómien]

I anticipated you by several hours (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=705810&postcount=299). :pOh, I actually saw that, but it didn't really help me I'm afraid. So basically we're probably winning and a lynch will only change the situation if all the three wolves are actually alive, only there's a theoretical chance in that case also that we lynch an innocent and they outnumber us toMorrow? Like, a lynch doesn't matter either way unless there's still three of them, in which case we're in dire straits indeed??

Which makes me think we SHOULD indeed do a lynch toDay, and I seriously think it should be Boro. I would hate to lose just because he and his ten posts slipped under everybody's radar (sorry dear, no hard feelings :Merisu: ).

Sorry about that. Well, the main reason was that I was hoping to see reactions to the Night events before announcing it. But overall, there is not very much rational planning behind it - it was, most of all, the wish to make the WWs freak out at least for a moment by making them think that their Nightly attack was prevented by the Bard. Sort of a payback from my part for targeting me. Although, to be absolutely honest, I was 99,9% sure they would target me. Given that Lottie was supposed to die that Night and Kuru was the second logical choice, which made him likely to be protected by the Bard, it was basically clear that they were going to target me.Well, it still sounded like a wolf posting at 2am then waking up the next morning and being like "hey there's no claim about last Night I could still claim Black Breath yeehaw" - but I admit it's hard to see what you would gain by that, given that most of the village trusts you anyway. It just really rubbed me the wrong way.

[Kuruharan]

Which makes me think we SHOULD indeed do a lynch toDay, and I seriously think it should be Boro. I would hate to lose just because he and his ten posts slipped under everybody's radar (sorry dear, no hard feelings :Merisu: ).

I'm pretty confident that if Boro meant mischief he would not have voted Lottie for Rep. A wolf really couldn't afford that today.

++Lalaith for lynching.

Anybody else interpret her silence toDAY as a confession? Maybe not fair...but there you are.

[Thinlómien]

I'm pretty confident that if Boro meant mischief he would not have voted Lottie for Rep. A wolf really couldn't afford that today.Good point - not if there were three of them, then they'd gang up and elect one of their own. If there was only two or one, then I don't see why they wouldn't vote Lottie. But basically that confirms that Boro can't be a member of a pack of three wolves so he's not a lethal threat in any case?

Hmmmmm...

I still maintain he's a likelier wolf than Lalaith, and also because I take after my father :p I would really rather lynch a possible quiet wolf than a resonably active one if it doesn't make any difference to our odds of winning the game.

But if no one agrees with me I don't know what's the worst we can do with lynching Lalaith toDay - lynching a gifted (but that's the same for Boro I suppose)?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So basically we're probably winning and a lynch will only change the situation if all the three wolves are actually alive, only there's a theoretical chance in that case also that we lynch an innocent and they outnumber us toMorrow? Like, a lynch doesn't matter either way unless there's still three of them, in which case we're in dire straits indeed??

Which makes me think we SHOULD indeed do a lynch toDay, and I seriously think it should be Boro. I would hate to lose just because he and his ten posts slipped under everybody's radar (sorry dear, no hard feelings :Merisu: ).
I say, let's lynch somebody. I am despairing beyond imagination and therefore probably seeing everything painted in the blackest way possible, but I am still hoping that we somehow have chance of lynching one Wolf and making the difference by that. I said that all already in my posts above... thinking there were too few youtube links on this thread. There's no way I'm gonna let go.

It really all comes down to what Zil (and McCaber) and Shasta were. Especially if I misjudged Shasta and he was not a Wolf - if it is so and you are reading this, Shasta, I am truly, deeply sorry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCdNhz9fJk).

In any case, because the DL is fairly close, I guess now no reason to prolong this---

++Loslote for Rep

And who for the lynch then? I said above, I am not sure if Boro is the right choice. Lalaith would be just as good for me. But I will let the village decide. For once.

[Lalaith]

Hello everyone. Sorry to rush in just before deadline like this v bad day at work
Well it's excellent news about Lotties miraculous survival but not such good news if the plan is to lynch me - it won't help at all, I assure you.
Given my last minute arrival I've not had time to do much than a skim read of the thread but I would say that Boro stands out as acting really weird yesterDay and is still acting pretty weird toDay. He would be the one I would vote for if I were rep.
Obviously ++ Lottie and ++Boro to lynch.

[Kuruharan]

The thing that I was most worried about toDAY of the wolves coming in and orchestrating a tie to prevent a potentially necessary lynch in case there are two wolves left can't happen now! :D

*throws confetti*

[Thinlómien]

++Lottie for rep

++BORO for lynch

Yeah, he shouldn't get away with it, really.

Anyway, pretty sure one of him and Lalaith is a wolf, hoping and assuming the two others were Shasta and Zil.

Good night, good Night and good luck to us!

[Kuruharan]

So...Lottie you around?

[Loslote]

Sorry for getting in so close to deadline! :eek:

So, Lommy and Lalaith want ++Boro, and Kuru and Boro want ++Lalaith. I would actually love it if you would pick one, Legate, since I could be persuaded either way.

Edit: xed with Kuru - here I am!

[Kuruharan]

Ahh...good, you are around.

I've grown suspicious of Lommy and I really think we need to lynch Lalaith...as in need to if we want to win this thing.

Disenfranchise people who aren't confirmed innocent?

[Kuruharan]

At least not let them vote on potential lynches...

[Loslote]

Disenfranchise people who aren't confirmed innocent?

That was going to be my method, but I wanted to hear Legate's thoughts, too.

[Kuruharan]

That was going to be my method, but I wanted to hear Legate's thoughts, too.

Cool. I figured we'd be on the same page on that.

[Kuruharan]

No no no no, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make any sense. In fact, it makes me feel a bit iffy about you. It would be pretty nice for the wolves not to get one of them killed but surely we can afford to lose one of hour own if we mislynch? Okay, waiting for the eventual kurumaths post to confirm this...


This, and her unnecessary delay in voting for rep are what's made me feel bad about her.

We are well beyond the point where feeling "iffy" about me is at all acceptable in the context of this game and we have proof after proof of that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sorry for getting in so close to deadline! :eek:

So, Lommy and Lalaith want ++Boro, and Kuru and Boro want ++Lalaith. I would actually love it if you would pick one, Legate, since I could be persuaded either way.

No. Please, don't. In case Zil and Shasta were really actually Wolves, I don't want to be responsible for winning or losing the game. Not again. By which I mean, not after I have been thinking the whole Day that I am responsible for it already.

Boro's "not giving up without a fight" attitude yesterDay could be interpreted like a Wolf's (as in, he very well knows he hasn't been that commited, but even with the little participation he has made, he doesn't want to step away). But it is equally plausible for him to act that way if innocent.

Lalaith has been generally a "more plausible choice" overall, but seriously, I can't tell. Her single post toDay does not really tell anything, she could post that whether a Wolf or not.

Choose the person who is the most likely to be a Wolf in case the dead are Wolves. That is the single and most important advice I can give.

Unless it is too late (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvChSZBKb6A).

I think I shall just succumb to my despair here and go to sleep. So my last advice: yes, if you can (sadly I won't have time to check it anymore), check who of the two is more likely to be a packmate of the two dead (or at least of one of them, if Cab was a Wolf). That is the best way to go about it. I hope for the best, but, like Bilbo Baggins said when he had still been a robot, I won't lie to you about your chances.

[Kuruharan]

In spite of my new suspicions of Lommy, I still think lynching Lalaith has the highest potential to pay dividends.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's it, I'm going to sleep (RL) - so I don't know how soon you are going to send the lynch and when is sally going to publish the result, but just... all the best; and see you all on the other side. It's been a pleasure to play with all of you again, in any case.

[satansaloser2005]

Silence, my children. Sleep.

[satansaloser2005]

In the dead of night, voices whispered secret thoughts and dark plans. After all the work they had gone to, they were certain to be thwarted in the morning. It would be nearly impossible to destroy the Ward's morale now, especially with their rescue so near. How to crush what was left of the Ward with so little time left to act?

“There's only one more thing we can do. Come with me....”

~~~~~~~~

Sally was up late again, reading a book by candlelight and keeping her ears trained for any unusual sounds outside. Sure enough, she heard soft footsteps pass through the streets, and she quickly doused her candle, peeking out the windowsill to see who was sneaking by.

Lommy and Lalaith were in their nightclothes, quietly discussing something Sally couldn't quite overhear. From what she could hear, however, the topic of discussion was from from pleasant.

Mustering her up courage, Sally stepped outside and called to the two ladies in the street. Both turned to face her, each of their faces bearing an expression of confusion.

“Oh, hey, Sally,” said Lalaith in a casual tone. “Sorry, did we wake you? We couldn't sleep and thought we'd, um....go check on Lottie. You know, she hasn't been feeling the best, and we-”

“Wanted to make sure she got some rest,” said Lommy. Her eyes flitted to Lalaith, and she forced a smile. “Sorry. I can never resist a good rhyme.”

Sally laughed somewhat nervously. “Neither can I. So, uh, let's go see Lottie, shall we?”

Unable to think of a good excuse to the contrary, Lommy and Lalaith nodded, and the three of them approached Lottie's house.

As Sally was only half awake and Lommy was attempting to distract her from their behavior, Lalaith reached Lottie's door first. She knocked gently, but the door swung open slightly at her touch.

“Lottie?” Lalaith stepped inside, casting a quick glance back at Lommy. “Are you in here? We thought-”

“Aha!” shouted a voice, and there was a loud thump from within.

Sally and Lommy raced to the door, only to find Lalaith sprawled on the floor, blood pouring from a wound to her temple.

“I caught her!” Lottie shouted gleefully. “I finally caught one in the act!”

Sally stared down, horrified. “We were coming to- to check on you,” she stammered. “And you....Lottie, what did you do?”

"The right thing, I swear. Trust me, Sally. You'll see."

“I think there's been a big misunderstanding,” Lommy said solemnly. “Let's go find the guards. I'm sure they'll understand it was all an accident. Lottie, you stay here and try to get some rest.”

Lottie nodded, and Sally and Lommy headed back across the Ward. Before long, however, Sally began to again suspect something was very, very wrong.

“Lommy, why did you and Lalaith both go to check on Lottie?”

“Well, to be honest, we didn't.”

Sally stopped, turning back to see Lommy walking up to her side, a handkerchief in her hand. “What do you mean, you didn't?”

“It'll be okay,” Lommy assured her. “Here.” She tried to hand Sally the handkerchief. “Dry your eyes before we talk to the guards.” Sally shook her head, and Lommy sighed. “All right, we'll do it the hard way. I really am sorry about this.”

Lommy's hand clamped over Sally's mouth, and as Sally tried to scream, she realized she had made a huge mistake. Her throat burned, each breath choking her, and she looked up into Lommy's eyes as her vision quickly started to fade.

“Just rest,” Lommy said gently, her eyes glinting in the moonlight. “We'll take care of everyone for you. I promise.”

~~~~~~~~

In the morning, the group found Sally's body lying in the street, her mouth hanging open, her glasses askew. Though it was still dark, they could tell she was long dead.

Lottie immediately flew into a panic, claiming that this couldn't be possible. Everyone else had theories as to how this had happened, why someone would target Sally, and what they would do now that she was gone.

Lommy silently enjoyed the chaos. At last, she thought, we've succeeded.

At that moment, three guards appeared in the street. One of them carried a still Legate over his shoulder.

Keeping her cool, Lommy burst into false tears and ran to Legate's side, but as she reached him, her arms were roughly grabbed and shackles closed around them. She was quickly dragged away while the rest of the Ward watched on in shock.

Rumbling sounded all around. Every patient huddled together, then collectively breathed a sigh of relief as the source of the noise, a garrison of soldiers, revealed themselves. Some of them wore less battle-worthy garb; these presented the patients with tea, which everyone drank without argument.

The first rays of the morning sun began to spill over the buildings. The road ahead was long, but at last, they were safe, and they would persevere in memory of all those they had lost. Today was a new day.



The Ward is rescued!
The moddess finally dies! (Happy death day to me!)
The conspirators are thwarted!


Former Patients
Kuru (bard)
Lottie (patient)
Lommy (conspirator)
Boro (patient)

The Morgue
Phantom (running gag)
McCaber (patient)
Nerwen (patient)
Dun (patient)
Shasta (conspirator)
Lalaith (conspirator)
Sally (nurse/moderator)
Legate (herbalist)

[satansaloser2005]

I'm running quite late for a party, but please feel free to start discussion. I'll be back later with thoughts and cheers for folks. :)

[Loslote]

Congrats, everyone! Well survived! Well done, Kuru and Legate, for a bold game well played. And congrats to the wolves, too - you played well, even though Legate's no lynch plan totally worked against you. Lommy, I really didn't think you were the last wolf at all. :o

And thank you to our dearest moddess for a fun and very interesting game! :D

[Inziladun]

*sigh*

On the good side once again, but I very much feared I would (as seeming usual) be more of an asset to the other side. I did nail all three of the baddies though. ;)

Good to see a win for my team though. Nice job all!

[Galadriel55]

Congratulations, village! But I really have to give it to the wolves here. I thought after the first Day, with the no-lynch strategy and the easy way for the herbalist to identify victims, the villagers would win this without breaking sweat. But then you guys somehow managed to stir up enough paranoia to get people to go after Inzil, and suspicions against Nerwen, cast shady looks at Boro - heck, almost got some people to question the "known" innocent trio. Hats off to you guys! If there were more players and more people to suspect, you could have made chaos reign. :cool:

Also... Woe! End-Game! :D

[Nerwen]

Yay! Well played, village! And ditto wolves. I think, with hindsight, that the rules favoured the village. This is not a criticism of Sally,. as I well know how hard it is to balance an experimental game. Rather, I'd like to congratulate you on playing well in a difficult situation. (However, I am saddened that my jewel felt the need to murder me...)

And thanks for a great game, Sally. It was very interesting to follow, even from beyond the grave.:smokin:


Finally, I wish to point out that I was the first to suspect Wolflomien.:p

[Inziladun]

It's interesting to me that I get suspected both for being "careful" and "weird". :rolleyes:

In this game I was really just saying whatever was on my mind, caution to the wind. Que sara, sara...:p

[Kuruharan]

The Bard's Theme. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg)

Anyway, time for a funny story.

YesterDAY, when I said this...

As outstandingly well (and with a great deal of intestinal fortitude as well) as Legate has played, if some of my theories are correct, there just might be somebody here who has played even better than he has.

And I definitely don't mean me. :o

Of course, if my theories are wrong...then holy cow, Legate would have ascended to phantomic and Nerwenian levels of Werewolf Awesomehood...as if he wasn't there already.

I was not, in fact, talking about the discarded possibility of Legate being a wolf. I was talking about if he was the Herbalist! :eek:

You, sir, are up there with the very top Werewolfers for playing such a bold and up front game while all the while being so vital to the ultimate well-being of the Ward.

I was actually quite worried on NIGHT TWO that you were the Herbalist, but Lottie's subsequent behavior convinced me...up until the closing narration that she was.

So if that was a ploy on Lottie's part, a tip o' the hat to her (one among many the Ward owes her) for running that one.

Sorry about not protecting you on NIGHT FIVE. I actually could have, and I thought long and hard about what to do that NIGHT. But the wolves had thrown me for a loop on NIGHT TWO by striking Nerwen, a NIGHT that I did protect you. I was out of sync with them for the whole rest of the game from that point, usually unable to protect the person that I most thought needed protection.

I wanted to have a protect of you in the bank for NIGHT SIX and the wolves had also signaled a willingness to circle back and re-strike at previous targets and I thought it a worthwhile gamble that they might strike at me again and I didn't want to waste a protect on you when I thought it likely that I'd be the target and then be unable to protect on NIGHT SIX.

A wrong guess, as it turned out.

However, in a way it worked out well because it decisively eliminated you from consideration as a potential wolf in DAY FIVE's conversations (not that I thought that was at all likely by that stage).

I feel kind of bad for Lalaith, though. For whatever reason, most of the games that I've read that she has played in she has always been a wolf. In this game I could just sense it from her very first post. I don't know if that means that my reading sample is skewed or if she just has an inordinate number of wolf-side games under her belt.

I think, with hindsight, that the rules favoured the village.

That may be true to some extent. However, the wolves were actually pretty close to winning on a number of fronts, even up to the last DAY, there were winning scenarios for them.

Of course, McCaber's absence really helped balance it out in a way...so maybe nine players is the right number for the format rather than ten..?

EDIT: Also, it is Sally's death-day! Happy death day!

[Nerwen]

Kuru, I am most flattered that you count me among "top Werewolfers"- and yes, both you and Legate did a fantastic job of hiding in plain sight. I didn't suspect either of you until Day Five- and I, too, had Lottie down as a possible Herbalist. It'll be interesting to know how things looked to the wolves, once they show up.

That may be true to some extent. However, the wolves were actually pretty close to winning on a number of fronts, even up to the last DAY, there were winning scenarios for them.

Of course, McCaber's absence really helped balance it out in a way...so maybe nine players is the right number for the format rather than ten..?
Well, I am talking about the initial situation. But as I said, it's hard to get right, anyway- in this case, a slight difference to the rules or circumstances could well have favoured the wolves instead.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You, sir, are up there with the very top Werewolfers for playing such a bold and up front game while all the while being so vital to the ultimate well-being of the Ward.

I am blushing right now, sir. But thank'ee. In any case, much of the burden was on you and Lottie (especially her with all the lynch-votes. That was some responsibility, Lottie! But you, Kuru, accomplished the equally important task to survive. Huh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sIhZLVJR4)).

Truth be told, I was super-worried and the despair *really* took me the last Day. I had spent the Night calculating all the possible scenarios, and came to the conclusion to use my single remaining herb on Lottie.
My original plan since the beginning of the game had been to keep us away from lynching people in the beginning (which worked) and afterwards to keep my last save for the last Day, so I could save myself if I woke up with the Black Breath; or to save another person if I didn't.

Eventually, on the last Night, I arrived to the conclusion that it was the best to keep Lottie alive in order to maintain clear majority of "known innocents" in the village, to maximalize the chance of lynching a Wolf and to prevent the WWs from taking over the vote. I was 99% sure the WWs were going after me (since I assumed the WWs would not target Kuru because after the last target had been Lottie, he would be the obvious target and therefore protected; and I was the last semi-known innocent), but I decided to throw away my original plan I had since the beginning and instead use my last herb there and then, letting myself be killed (no light decision, because on top of everything I was a Gifted!), but counting on that the Bard was still alive and if we survived with enough numbers, it would be enough.

I did that because I was convinced we still had the Bard (neither of the dead ones looked like one, barring the unlikely chance of it being Cab), and I was sure that there was no way the WWs could kill both of us anymore. But at dawn, when I learned that I got indeed afflicted with the Black Breath, the paranoia accumulated throughout the whole game started to sink in and upon reading Shasta's death narration, my immediate reaction was that he was the Bard. I got the total "I am Denethor, I am Éomer" feeling - that I am the last Gifted and I am about to die, and I alone in the whole village know that we are down to the last Gifted, me, who is about to die because I decided to forfeit my life during the last Night; and against all odds it turned out to be the wrong decision. So, for example not announcing my Black Breath rightaway was what I thought at that point a poor attempt of pitiful revenge, to make the WWs think they didn't get me, if they were going to die anyway. (But this is also a point against reading the thread at 2 AM when you feel tired and already paranoid.)

The second time my blood froze was when I read that Lottie and Kuru cast votes for each other. I just hoped nobody would point that out, because depending on the number of WWs, they could jump on that and outvote known innocents if they voted in unison.

But anyway! Altogether I enjoyed the game very much. Thanks to sally for organising this, and for giving me this role, because my record as Gifted so far had been pretty dismal (also didn't happen that many times).

For practicality - I am not sure if the game was much disbalanced. One would have to play a couple of times, but look, we lynched three times and had to get two Wolves; if we didn't, we would have lost. And given that we didn't even know after their deaths that they were Wolves...

I think, however, the right people to ask about the mechanics would be the Conspirators, because they knew the most already during the game and could follow how did the odds look like during the game.

In terms of thinking about the rules further, I have been wondering how did especially the average Ordos feel about it. I enjoyed the game, but I kept wondering, because nobody knew anything - the Gifteds did know at least something, and the WWs knew the most (knowing who was innocent and who was not) - how difficult was it to play as Ordo, or how enjoyable in total? As in, whether it didn't feel like you were just voting in the void, hoping you made the right decision.

But I quite liked the system as a whole. For example the "delayed lynches" was an interesting thing. At times, I felt maybe the Herbalist was a bit too powerful (with the delayed lynches, I could save whomever I wanted as long as I had herbs). That said, of course such system could be easily exploited by the WWs.

Oh, and last one. I think I owe an apology, or at least an explanation to Nerwen for not healing her on the second Day. Realising we had still a long time before us, and given that some people were questioning her innocence, I decided to let her go. Also, I admit, for my own peace of mind. I thought the village might still be torn about her on the next Day, and we didn't want that, and even I was not completely sure. Mostly it was about the numbers, though, and also that I thought healing somebody later would send a stronger signal that I still had some herb in reserve.

Also a question for the WWs: did you think I was a Gifted? Or, Eru forbid, the Herbalist?

[Nerwen]

That's all right, Legate, one of my posts on Day Two was partly intended as a signal to the Herbalist that I was okay with being sacrificed if necessary.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's all right, Legate, one of my posts on Day Two was partly intended as a signal to the Herbalist that I was okay with being sacrificed if necessary.

Well, I recall you saying a couple of times that you didn't necessarily expect to be saved, so I remember thinking "ok, she is probably not the Bard if she is saying this, so in the worst case, we can live with that."

[Kuruharan]

Truth be told, I was super-worried and the despair *really* took me the last Day. I had spent the Night calculating all the possible scenarios, and came to the conclusion to use my single remaining herb on Lottie.

I could tell...or at least I suspected you weren't just RPing it.

I wanted to say something to let you know that while we were still in danger, the situation wasn't nearly as dire as you seemed to believe it was. But, we were still in danger and I couldn't really think of anything to say that wouldn't have given too much away.

Eventually, on the last Night, I arrived to the conclusion that it was the best to keep Lottie alive in order to maintain clear majority of "known innocents" in the village, to maximalize the chance of lynching a Wolf and to prevent the WWs from taking over the vote.

And it was 100% the right decision.

I was 99% sure the WWs were going after me (since I assumed the WWs would not target Kuru because after the last target had been Lottie, he would be the obvious target and therefore protected; and I was the last semi-known innocent)

My problem was I knew I couldn't be protected.

However, I honestly think striking you was a tactical error on their part. It added to the number of unimpeachably confirmed innocents when they already had a stable full of those to cope with.

The second time my blood froze was when I read that Lottie and Kuru cast votes for each other. I just hoped nobody would point that out, because depending on the number of WWs, they could jump on that and outvote known innocents if they voted in unison.

Yeah, we nearly caused a catastrophic screw up there. I was in such a good mood because I knew that we had clinched at least part of the win condition that it never occurred to me that Lottie would vote for me right back. We did the one thing that gave them a shot at victory that DAY. :rolleyes:

Fortunately for us, they didn't recognize it.

[Loslote]

The second time my blood froze was when I read that Lottie and Kuru cast votes for each other. I just hoped nobody would point that out, because depending on the number of WWs, they could jump on that and outvote known innocents if they voted in unison.

Yeah, I got overexcited and didn't think for a second. :o

For practicality - I am not sure if the game was much disbalanced. One would have to play a couple of times, but look, we lynched three times and had to get two Wolves; if we didn't, we would have lost. And given that we didn't even know after their deaths that they were Wolves...

I kind of agree - the way the game ended up going gave us a shot, but I think that the wolves would have won if we had made any other choices than the ones we did.



I was not, in fact, talking about the discarded possibility of Legate being a wolf. I was talking about if he was the Herbalist!

I had, up until that moment, been convinced that you were the Herbalist, so I picked up on that and decided that Legate *must* have been the Herbalist - and that you must have been an ordo, which, well, halfway there. :p

You, sir, are up there with the very top Werewolfers for playing such a bold and up front game while all the while being so vital to the ultimate well-being of the Ward.

I was actually quite worried on NIGHT TWO that you were the Herbalist, but Lottie's subsequent behavior convinced me...up until the closing narration that she was.

So if that was a ploy on Lottie's part, a tip o' the hat to her (one among many the Ward owes her) for running that one.


Yes, but for the wrong person - I had thought that Kuru was the Herbalist, and since I knew I was an ordo, thought I'd better try to deflect attention a bit!

[Thinlómien]

Well well well...

:Merisu:

I have to say the game was eventually a lot more even than I thought it would be - we conspirators had a really disoriented start (oopsie) and by the end of Day2 I was already like "woe is me we should have a scheme all along we're never going to win this if the village isn't lynching anyone and the herbalist is saving everyone" and that desperation on Day3 or 4 was completely genuine "I've been unmotivated to play because I feel my hands are tied" - but by that point I had chilled down a bit and wasn't feeling the game wasn't so unbalanced after all. I think you villagers also played remarkably well which probably contributed to my early game angst. :D

But yes, it was hard to be a conspirator on this one. Consider the fact we had only TWO successful kills in the whole game (and correct me if I'm wrong, that was even without the bard succeeding a single time) and we gave the village two (eventually three) known innocents which is a big advantage in a village this small, especially when the vote goes through a representative. There was never a chance one of us could've plausibly become the rep and it was not only because we failed to seem hyper innocent. Also, claiming Black Breath would have been a suicidal strategy so there was really nothing to do to stop the herbalist...

And yeah the no lynching really sucked. :p (I would have felt the same way as an ordo though tbh.) Maybe this is when I should apologise to Inzil for relentlessly trying to get him lynched all game? Sorry, but you were a very convenient target even though you didn't even do anything so suspicious!

Anyway, we did realise we had very little chance to outnumber the village by Day6, so we eventually settled on trying to bag the gifteds and win that way. Too bad getting people killed was quite hard in this game. I'd like to congratulate myself for pointing Kuru out to my fellows on Night3 (I was 90% sure he was gifted) and Shasta for insisting we kill Legate on Night5 and saying Lal and I could "beat him with brushes like a carpet" after the game if he wasn't the herbalist. *would add more smileys if I hadn't run out of the limit*

Lastly, you wanna know something hilarious? Our Night1 was pretty unorganized so I ended up sending an improvised kill to Sally so we wouldn't miss it. I felt bad for choosing to "cut someobody's game's short" before they even had the chance to post, but rules are rules, so I put the villagers' names into a randomizer and decided we should kill Lottie. Well, so much for feeling bad for cutting somebody's game short.............

[Inziladun]

Maybe this is when I should apologise to Inzil for relentlessly trying to get him lynched all game? Sorry, but you were a very convenient target even though you didn't even do anything so suspicious!

Heh, no drama. Getting the good side lynched is what baddies do. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Heh, no drama. Getting the good side lynched is what baddies do.
Of couse. :D But I'm too much of a goody two shoes in real life that intentionally misrepresenting people's behaviour always feels a bit wrong to me - be it "look how shady Inzil is he's just not making sense and distracting the village with his posts" or "look Lalaith is so confused she couldn't possibly be a wolf" (she really wasn't half as confused as I liked to claim she is, she only like asked about the rules once or twice). :D Being a wolf is hard! Now who's going to mod the next game so I can get to be my goody two shoes self again? ;)

And since I forgot to say it in the last post:

thanks Sally for the fun and suspenseful game and HAPPY DEATHDAY! <3

[Lalaith]

Hello again everyone, good to be back here as my normal non-evil self :Merisu:
Kuru you are quite right that you have all too often encountered me in lupine guise, in fact I can't remember the last time I played werewolf and wasn't a wolf.
Having said that I haven't played much at all over the last few years and my goodness I felt rusty during this game; I genuinely was confused about the rules - a clueless wolf indeed. I just couldn't think of any survival strategies at all, particularly when faced with Lottie the Deathless.
I did enjoy Shastas magnificent fight with Kuru though.
By the way Legate, I am clearly still being clueless but I am not sure how Lommy and I could have orchestrated a tie as we were still outnumbered and Lottie could have switched her vote? Plus having such a late deadline for Europeans made it hard to stage up-to-the-wire chicanery - although worse for you and Lommy than for me, I know.
Well done fellow conspirators, you deserved a better packmate than I was this game. Well done villagers, some fantastic clear-sighted gameplay there, a well-deserved win.
And thank you dear Sally, splendid and ever-charming modding!

[Kuruharan]

Kuru you are quite right that you have all too often encountered me in lupine guise, in fact I can't remember the last time I played werewolf and wasn't a wolf.

And here I thought I was being all insightful...and I was actually just playing probabilities. :o

[Lalaith]

You could be both, dear thing!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

By the way Legate, I am clearly still being clueless but I am not sure how Lommy and I could have orchestrated a tie as we were still outnumbered and Lottie could have switched her vote? Plus having such a late deadline for Europeans made it hard to stage up-to-the-wire chicanery - although worse for you and Lommy than for me, I know.

If you are refering to the last Day, then it was hypothetical, of course - I did not know how many Wolves there were. You did, but we did not. Had there been three of you, it was a way for you to win. But even otherwise, in case there were, say, still doubts regarding Lottie or Kuru's innocence, or some innocent forgot to show up, and so on... But yeah, objectively, I guess it is more like the rule of "never split the vote when the numbers are close!"

[Lalaith]

Oh, I'm sure there would have been a way. I think Lottie's miraculous survival made me lose heart.

[Kuruharan]

It could have been done like this:

Because of Lottie's and my blunder in voting for each other, you and Lommy could have engineered a tie by voting for me. That way the vote would have (conceivably) have been tied at 3-3. In case of tied Rep votes there would be no Rep and thus no lynch. Then Lalaith would have still been alive but Legate would still pass on.

However, there is one thing about the rules I am unclear on, did the wolves get to submit a name for the Black Breath on NIGHT SIX? During the game I operated under the assumption that they did, but the final narration implies that they did not...and I guess since DAY SIX didn't go through to completion perhaps a NIGHT SIX Black Breath was superfluous..?

[Thinlómien]

It could have been done like this:

Because of Lottie's and my blunder in voting for each other, you and Lommy could have engineered a tie by voting for me. That way the vote would have (conceivably) have been tied at 3-3. In case of tied Rep votes there would be no Rep and thus no lynch. Then Lalaith would have still been alive but Legate would still pass on.

However, there is one thing about the rules I am unclear on, did the wolves get to submit a name for the Black Breath on NIGHT SIX? During the game I operated under the assumption that they did, but the final narration implies that they did not...and I guess since DAY SIX didn't go through to completion perhaps a NIGHT SIX Black Breath was superfluous..?No, we didn't get to kill anyone on the last Night at all. Thus as soon as Shasta was dead, it was impossible for us to win by numbers and basically there was no need for me and Lalaith to even try act innocent on Day5 because you could never lynch both of us. Of course, we did try our best to get Boro lynched in case he was gifted (as Lalaith pointed out at one point, his absence creepily conicided with the herbalist not saving Nerwen) but in the likely scenario that he was an ordo, it didn't matter if one of us gets lynched or not. Like, since one of us died (which was bound to happen before Day6 given how few unknown roles there were) it was literally just up to whether we could kill the gifteds or not. I was a bit worried on Day3 because if the village had lynched one of us then there would have been the chance that we would all been lynched by Day6 and thus had no shot at winning at all. But fortunately Lottie went for Zil. :p

Well done fellow conspirators, you deserved a better packmate than I was this game.Don't say that! I think we all had our share of mistakes and successes - as did the village, known innocents included. It was a very interesting game, and I'd be interested to do a similar one in the future with slightly honed rules. (Not sure how exactly honed given that the current ones produced a surprisingly even game. Maybe give the herbalist one fewer save at least, or else prolong the game so that the Night6 kill would have taken place - imagine: if we had gone for Kuru then, e would have won. If for Lottie, not. A 50-50 chance I'd say. Kuru seemed more gifted but the temptation to kill Lottie for the third time would've been very strong.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

However, there is one thing about the rules I am unclear on, did the wolves get to submit a name for the Black Breath on NIGHT SIX? During the game I operated under the assumption that they did, but the final narration implies that they did not...and I guess since DAY SIX didn't go through to completion perhaps a NIGHT SIX Black Breath was superfluous..?

I always assumed they didn't, as it would give them an extra kill that could never be prevented in any way, therefore making any tacticizing there impossible (and Herbalist's power useless).

[Kuruharan]

No, we didn't get to kill anyone on the last Night at all.

Whoops...should have protected Legate. :o

(as Lalaith pointed out at one point, his absence creepily conicided with the herbalist not saving Nerwen)

I'd noticed and wondered about that too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I always assumed they didn't, as it would give them an extra kill that could never be prevented in any way, therefore making any tacticizing there impossible (and Herbalist's power useless).

Indeed. Wouldn't that be just a travesty.