Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Dead Thread

[Nogrod]

Well, it took a Day or two longer than I thought... but nice to be here.

Although a bit disappointing now as the balance seems to hanging from a very thin line and they managed to take one innocent from the tally - whatever the reason for it was. I do agree it was an interesting pick by the evil. I was quite sure I'd be very close to the chopping block toDay.

Oh, and sorry to diasppoint you, but I'm neither any visitor or any such speacial one - unless one can be that without knowing it himself (I haven't actually checked those parts of the rules that closely).

But anyway, what's up? Any other solid information but that Zil, Lottie and Boro are innocents (I just checked the thread only from the late last Night onwards)?

My first thoughts right now? Nerwen and Eönwe do seem to team up and I'd be surprised if they're both on the good side - and not be surprised if they were both evil (it could also be one just lured the other to trust her/him and only one is evil).

But in a way people like Brinn and Lalaith - and maybe Eomer - are probably the most scary ones. They are somehow outside all major suspicions and seem to play very reasonably giving a nice feel of themselves (not that much Eomer, but he's above the discussions on suspicion as well). I just hope one of them is actually the GW.

[Nogrod]

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.
Heh. In the end I had to make a run for my life in the Living Thread for saying more or less just this... :)

[Mithalwen]

You can be a visitor without knowing it . We went through that when they started thinking I was. Kuru explains. You will see if you read back a couple of pages. Collectively we are leas voluble than Morsul on his own.:p

[Thinlómien]

I don't like the way Lalaith uses us to cast suspicion on Legate and Eönwë. Makes me very wary.

Anyone else think this would be a good day for the GW and her team to reveal? All that the baddies (probably) need for a victory is a plausible enough bandwagon against an innocent and maybe an innocent to join it but if the votes spread out at all they don't need even that. I don't like this.

Also the living have forgotten the EW counts as an innocent for endgame maths?? Or are they intentionally trying to mislead their innocent colleagues?

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[Thinlómien]

So doesn't Legate genuinely realise what dire straits the village is in (not the best time to communicate anything by the dead vote!) or is he as furry as Chewbacca?

[Kuruharan]

Also the living have forgotten the EW counts as an innocent for endgame maths?? Or are they intentionally trying to mislead their innocent colleagues?

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.

Also note, that killing the Good Wizard is not a win condition for the Baddie side. Their win condition is to reduce the Goodies down to an equal or lower number than themselves.

The Good win condition is to eliminate all the Baddies, including the Evil Wizard.

[Inziladun]

So doesn't Legate genuinely realise what dire straits the village is in (not the best time to communicate anything by the dead vote!) or is he as furry as Chewbacca?

Legate, the entire game, has not seemed like his innocent self.

[Thinlómien]

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.For some reason I was really certain I read somewhere he doesn't, but I'm glad it's me being confused not the whole living village apparently. :o:D

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

And I don't like how quiet the living thread is.

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[Nogrod]

The Living, on this Day.

Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Brinniel

=8

It can't be 4-4 because in that case the game would have ended when I died.

So it's either 5-3 (innocents vs. evil) or better.

5-3 would mean the EW has not succeeded - or tried - to turn herself a wolf on two of the Nights, or then that one or two of the wolves have been killed during the Night (isn't that impossible if there was no double-death during the Night aka. the Hunter involved?). I think the rules should be checked - and the odd "sound-effects" in the Nightly narrations might have something to do with all this?

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.

[Kuruharan]

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

It has been quite an interesting chess match, let me tell you.

[Thinlómien]

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.Yes, hear hear. Empowering a vote for someone we think is evil is more important today than communicating Boro's innocence, and I hope the living will realise that too and stop waving Legate's voting scheme around.

On that note, who do y'all suspect?

Also, like Nogrod, I shouldn't stay up until 3am today (I have work tomorrow morning) but I'll be around as long as I happen to be... I mean I'm a notorious night owl who doesn't agree with morning shifts anyway :D so I'll probably be here atleast two maybe one hour before the deadline.


edit: xed with Kuru

[Thinlómien]

It has been quite an interesting chess match, let me tell you.
That sounds like vaguely good news for us poor dead ordos...

...not that I still don't have that bad feeling about this whole game.

[Thinlómien]

I am operating under the assumption that Boro was a wolf*headdesks*

Why Eomer why?

*grumblegrumblewhycan'tthelivingdoanythingright*

It's worse because Eomer is one of the few people I'm fairly sure is innocent.

[Nogrod]

Okay. The good news: The Ranger can protect players from being killed or turned during the NIGHT phase.
Also: If the Good Wizard and Evil Wizard target the same person, nothing happens.Then there is this... On NIGHTS when a wolf is not created the Evil Wizard may scry the role of a target in quest of finding the Good Wizard.And also this. If the Evil Wizard scrys or attempts to convert the Good Wizard, the Evil Wizard is informed of the identity of the Good Wizard. This opens the door for the Evil Wizard to challenge the Good Wizard.

If the Evil Wizard picks a Gifted for converting into a wolf that pick is deterred but the Evil Wizard still keeps that pick for future use.

So, after five Nights in the EW only has max. two wolves. So even if the situation is quite good for her, she must be annoyed. :cool:

She did turn someone into a wolf succesfully on N1 because otherwise Morsul would not have died on N2 - that I think we managed to establish already in the Living Thread.

So after that she has either missed or knowingly refrained from turning someone a wolf three Nights out of Four! Well, that is interesting!

[Thinlómien]

Okay I'll start:

I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate

I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer

I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë


edit: xed with nogz

[Thinlómien]

I guess it's also possible Legate is the good wizard. :eek::D I mean that would also explain him taking so many things for granted and keeping his attention to a limited number of villagers.

Hmmm.

[Nogrod]

Okay I'll start:
I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate
I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer
I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë

I agree with Nerwen, possibly with Legate as well (need to check and think). I'm afraid Eönwe could be evil as well, but yes, need to think about that as well.

But the fact that I too feel like not being just quite ready to help lynch Brinn or Lalaith just shows how scary they should be in all our eyes. They are perfect EW-picks - ones I'd pick as my wolves if I were the EW just because of this situation we're in with them.

But yes, I'm not even close to having a decent argument in any direction - but suspecting Nerwen heavily...

[Boromir88]

Okay I'll start:

I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate

I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer

I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë


edit: xed with nogz

Why would you want to empower Legate? From Legate's own list (that Lalaith has agreed to) by empowering Legate that will send the message that I'm a wolf. Which is as you know, flat out false. Why are you trying to send a false message?

I said I don't think it's important to base empowering a vote off of relaying info about my identity, but that doesn't mean we should empower anyone from the list of sending the wrong message.

So, I would if we empower anyone, let's keep it to either "Boro's a prey" list or "none of the above." Not that I'm thrilled about the folks on Legate's Prey list either, but it's bad to suggest we send faulty information.

[Loslote]

*headdesks*

Why Eomer why?

*grumblegrumblewhycan'tthelivingdoanythingright*

It's worse because Eomer is one of the few people I'm fairly sure is innocent.

Could Eomer have been turned last Night?

[Boromir88]

Also, since Mith wasn't one of the visitors, it means she was a night kill by the wolves/EW...funny how none of the Living is bothering to dig more into that

[Nogrod]

Has there really only been 2 wolves this whole time?He might have it right here... now is this because he's clever or because he knows it?

[Nogrod]

Why would you want to empower Legate?
I think we're in with the same misunderstanding we had in the Living Thread. I think Lommy means a vote empowering someone who is voting for Legate to be lynched.

Should we have a deal as to how we speak about these - empowering someone's vote (to whom we want to give an extra vote to use against someone) vs. empowering a vote for someone (whom we want to gain an extra vote and thus be more probably lynched)?

[Loslote]

If Boro is innocent, and there can't be 3 wolves just now, that would mean that the EW was thwarted on both Nights 4 and 5. It would suggest that the GW is not being thwarted, but then we would surely have seen the Visitor who leaves by now; and I just don't take that from the narration hints thus far.

Unless the GW is scrying instead of gifting. :rolleyes:

I feel like Eomer might be trying to mislead the living. I thought he was looking innocent until toDay, but there can't be more than two wolves, so if he was turned last Night, then there would only have been the one, original wolf this whole time. :eek:

Unless...Eomer is the EW, he knows the GW is going to catch him soon, and he's making moves and drawing fire to keep attention off of the wolves. He did take command of the lynch yesterDay to get Boro lynched instead of Nog or Legate - but if Nog is innocent, why not go for the easier Nog lynch if all Eomer was doing was trying to protect a Legatewolf? :confused:

[Boromir88]

I think we're in with the same misunderstanding we had in the Living Thread. I think Lommy means a vote empowering someone who is voting for Legate to be lynched.

Should we have a deal as to how we speak about these - empowering someone's vote (to whom we want to give an extra vote to use against someone) vs. empowering a vote for someone (whom we want to gain an extra vote and thus be more probably lynched)?

Ahh. Ok that would make more sense. Thanks.

[Boromir88]

Unfortunately I'm going to be occupied and away for the rest of the night/past the DL, so I'm not going to do an empowering vote unless I get some brief time to hop on my phone and make it once we get some voting, going on.

[Nogrod]

Btw. If the GW knows the identity of the EW this would be the Day to duel - with only two wolves around!

It would be 4-2 with both Wizards gone - and with the EW's personality revealed the village could have a chance to spot one of the wolves to lynch toDay, if the GW gave them time for it and announced the duel early enough.

[Inziladun]

I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate

I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer

I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë

Legate's list for toDay:

BORO PREY
Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005

BORO PREDATOR
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Eönwë
Brinniel

(or upside-down, if we want to change the order again, or what have you)

If we're still trying to indiicate Dead alignments, that leaves us Nerwen, Shasta, or Sally.

I guess I wouldn't mind going with either of the latter two, but it really would be nice to have our +1 mean something more than a verification.

Oddly enough, Nerwen here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=708239&postcount=623) casts a smidgen of doubt on Eomer's Borowolf assumption.

[Boromir88]

Unless the GW is scrying instead of gifting. :rolleyes:

I feel like Eomer might be trying to mislead the living. I thought he was looking innocent until toDay, but there can't be more than two wolves, so if he was turned last Night, then there would only have been the one, original wolf this whole time. :eek:

Unless...Eomer is the EW, he knows the GW is going to catch him soon, and he's making moves and drawing fire to keep attention off of the wolves. He did take command of the lynch yesterDay to get Boro lynched instead of Nog or Legate - but if Nog is innocent, why not go for the easier Nog lynch if all Eomer was doing was trying to protect a Legatewolf? :confused:

One last thought before I have to bounce though...

Agreed, I thought Eomer's posting towards the end of the the last Day was as if he was expecting Mith to be a visitor. And made a point to ask Nog and Legate if they were going to vote for me, which I read as he was trying to hold them to their votes. Then acted like everything would be cleared up with Mith's return.

But that's clearly not what happened and then Nog is killed.

[Nogrod]

Did Eomer the EW just put all his eggs into the same basket to risk for a final battle?
Since I'm feeling we're so close to the end, I'm throwing caution a bit to the wind now. I am operating under the assumption that Boro was a wolf, and that makes Legate and Lalaith seem innocent to me. In this crazy game, I just want something simple to hold on to!Or am I just getting paranoid?

Without a duel the evil side is pretty close to victory if they lynch a goodie toDay. They still need a successful Night kill, but with those they have prevailed thus far. And with both, they win.

Uhh... then again Eomer looks like someone who really cares about things (promising to look at a scenario where Boro is not a wolf - let's see if he does that and what are his thoughts on it) - but he's made to rethink things becasue of *drumroll* Nerwen's points!

Should one just surrender and admit being totally "out and cycling" (as the Swedish say)? :p

[Inziladun]

Uhh... then again Eomer looks like someone who really cares about things (promising to look at a scenario where Boro is not a wolf - let's see if he does that and what are his thoughts on it) - but he's made to rethink things becasue of *drumroll* Nerwen's points!

Should one just surrender and admit being totally "out and cycling" (as the Swedish say)? :p

I'm not familiar with the phrase, but I think I get the gist. ;)

Legate's new proposed list:

Right, I just copied it from the narration. Okay, if we wanted to do it backwards, it would be like this:

BORO PREY
Brinniel
Eönwë
Legate of Amon Lanc

BORO PREDATOR
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
satansaloser2005

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Shastanis Althreduin
Nerwen

Would everyone agree on that one?

Of those options, what does everyone think?

[Loslote]

Of those options, what does everyone think?

I liked the old list better. :rolleyes: And I'm a little side-eyeing Brinn for prompting the switch - the obvious way to mix it up was to flip it, which of course put her in the Prey list, which a wolf would know is the group to be in.

[Inziladun]

I liked the old list better. :rolleyes: And I'm a little side-eyeing Brinn for prompting the switch - the obvious way to mix it up was to flip it, which of course put her in the Prey list, which a wolf would know is the group to be in.

Good point. However, if we stray from it, we risk the remaining innocents being falsely led to believe something (maybe that Boro was a wolf), which of course, the baddies would also take much delight in. :(

[Thinlómien]

I think we're in with the same misunderstanding we had in the Living Thread. I think Lommy means a vote empowering someone who is voting for Legate to be lynched.Yes.

I originally thought we have a "you win or you die" kind of Day toDay and that's why I thought miscommunication about Boro's alignment would be a small price to pay for lynching a baddie. Now I don't know. It's hard when you don't know he actual numbers. Also: those of us staying up until the dl: remember intentionally causing a tie is an option too if someone you're 90% sure is innocent is about to get lynched. It might give us another Day depending on the numbers.

I liked the old list better. :rolleyes: And I'm a little side-eyeing Brinn for prompting the switch - the obvious way to mix it up was to flip it, which of course put her in the Prey list, which a wolf would know is the group to be in. Good point. However, if we stray from it, we risk the remaining innocents being falsely led to believe something (maybe that Boro was a wolf), which of course, the baddies would also take much delight in. :(Agreed. I don't like the new list one bit. But would "none of the above" be a good way to communicate we don't want to be bound by this system anymore? It's getting risky.

Then again most of us seem to be "out and cycling" (aka clueless ;) ) like Nogrod said.....

I was hoping the GW would reveal herself and the gifteds toDay and rally the ordos to her side - bold, I know, but the best way to ensure a baddie lynch at this point, but she seems to have a reason not to do that.

[Nogrod]

I think we should really consider now foremost to try and help to vote down a baddie.

With eight people remaining and probably three of them evil, they can easily co-ordinate a vote. Especially toDay when they can actually emerge victorious if they succeed in their Night kill after that.

Nice, if Brinn, Eönwe or Legate vote for someone we think is evil. Then let's do it and empower one vote against the person we suspect the most. But if none of them votes for a person we really suspect, then let's try to save the village first and try to enhance any vote we see as aiding the village in the lynching of a baddie.

And please don't start on this again in this Thread - it was enough for me to try and hold the sanity of this approach against the evil back there with the living. Knowing Boro is innocent doesn't help them if the village loses, especially in the ironic situation where our vote-empowerement opens the road to victory for the evil...

[Nogrod]

I was hoping the GW would reveal herself and the gifteds toDay and rally the ordos to her side - bold, I know, but the best way to ensure a baddie lynch at this point, but she seems to have a reason not to do that.I looked forward to it too, especially with this "We'll have an interesting Day ahead of us" by Kuru (remembering he wished to hear about any Duel-challenges the previous Night).

Let's hope not our GW is so thoughtless / full of herself, that she leaves the challenge dramatically to the end of the Day, not thinking how devastatingly poor she'd make the situation for a) the rest of the ordos to unite in the normal voting, and b) us here to aid in that effort.

[Loslote]

I'm not totally sure what to make of the Nerwen-Brinn spat - it looks to me like Nerwen set out to find Brinn suspicious toDay, but I can't tell if a Nerwolf is trying to get an innocent Brinn lynched or if it's attempted wolf-on-wolf. I think, unless one of them is the EW, that wolf-on-wolf doesn't quite make sense here, since there's no way to know until two Days later that the one who died even was a wolf, so I'm leaning towards thinking that Brinn is innocent.

Unless Nerwen is the GW or a gifted acting for the GW, and Brinn is a scried wolf. But I do think Nerwen is suspicious anyway, so I'm leaning away from that theory.

[Mithalwen]

It is hard since we have no known innocents alive as a reference point and gifted and wolfish behaviour can be similar. However I think our best use is to try and get a wolf even if it risk a mix3d message later on. I mean Nogrod could be a visitor. Someone has to be something. Even if thw wizards seem to be stymied.

[Mithalwen]

I tend to think Legate is furry. We voted for someone who voted for him yesterday. If we did that again it would perhaps indicate that it was a target vote rather than info. But we would have to be in broad agreement ..and I am not confident enough to push hard for this.

[Inziladun]

I tend to think Legate is furry. We voted for someone who voted for him yesterday. If we did that again it would perhaps indicate that it was a target vote rather than info. But we would have to be in broad agreement ..and I am not confident enough to push hard for this.

Shasta is who got our empowerment yesterDay.

The real problem with going away from the system, as noted, is that they won't know what to make of our actions. Even if we get a wolf, they won't know that. And they might question our previous empowerments.

[Nogrod]

I looked at the Nightly narrations then.

At the beginning of D1 (aka. N1 narration) there was nothing, no clunks or buzzes or anything - and no red letters either. The only thing hinting at something happening was this:
But what if Kuru was right? What if somebody had come to the party intending to murder them all?

What if…one of them had already joined them..?


Next we had a wilder one
The NIGHT was quiet.

Mostly.

Except that as dawn began creeping over the horizon there was a strange buzz.

It went on and on growing louder and LOUDER and LOUDER!!!!!!

The guests huddled in their rooms, terrified.

bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BANG *fizzle* POP
And Morsul was dead.

When D3 broke...
The NIGHT passed swiftly.

Those who slept did so fitfully.

There was a pervasive sense that they were all on the edge of another, strange world that might reach out and touch them at any time.

The dawn came, as it always does.

The group around the guillotine was a bit smaller this time.
No buzzes or pops, no bolded letter nor highlighted ones... but Lommy had died

The next one
The NIGHT was dark and full of buzzing.

Yes, buzzing again.

bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ *whoosh* CLANG *doink*

"Who put that there?"

Silence.

Silence without stillness. As the guests slept they felt the swirling of many powers around them.

All in all, it didn't lend itself to a restful NIGHT.
No bolding but one highlighted CLANG. Mith was dead - could this reference of Mith taking the route of the "escapee" point towards Pervinca and as such be of little consequence - or do you think this could have a meaning: They set off in search of the route taken by the escapee.

On their way they found the body of Mithalwen who apparently tried to do the same in the NIGHT.


Anyway last Night then.
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz booOOOOOoop *fizzle*

"Can you believe this?!" came a voice.

That was the only noise in the NIGHT.
Once again no red colour, no bolded parts... but I was dead.


To make a comparison - on the narrations after each Day there are three consistently highlighted things: the name of the one whose vote has been empowered by the Dead and the following I FEEL STRANGELY EMPOWERED! Then there is the final CLUNK! that is the noise of the guillotine.

*Pulls back to think about this*

Please help, if we could solve this riddle together.

[Nogrod]

The real problem with going away from the system, as noted, is that they won't know what to make of our actions. Even if we get a wolf, they won't know that. And they might question our previous empowerments.A real problem about going with the system is that we may empower a vote of a wolf and thus seal a lynch of a goodie and the game is over the coming Night.

[Inziladun]

A real problem about going with the system is that we may empower a vote of a wolf and thus seal a lynch of a goodie and the game is over the coming Night.

True enough. Maybe it is time to 'go rogue'.

[Mithalwen]

Shasta is who got our empowerment yesterDay.

The real problem with going away from the system, as noted, is that they won't know what to make of our actions. Even if we get a wolf, they won't know that. And they might question our previous empowerments.

I think it will be moot anyway. I just thought consistency might indicate we were wolfhunting but it was just a thought.

[Kuruharan]

No bolding but one highlighted CLANG. Mith was dead - could this reference of Mith taking the route of the "escapee" point towards Pervinca and as such be of little consequence - or do you think this could have a meaning

I will give you this teensy bit of help since I already noted this in my DAY 5 opening; that does not mean anything. I just wrote it for fun.

Bonus hint: Don't worry about colors, that doesn't mean anything either.

[Nogrod]

So, it’s quite certain a wolf was created both on Nights 1 and 3. The one created on N1 has practically been a wolf the whole game along, the one on N3 only from D3 onwards. The first question then become, who changed from D3 onwards?

The other hints are more enigmatic but let’s see if we can say something about them…

On N2 there was
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BANG *fizzle* POP
and it was said before that there was a buzz that became louder and LOUDER!

On N4 there was
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ *whoosh* CLANG *doink*
and an added: "Who put that there?"

On N5 there was
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz booOOOOOoop *fizzle*
and an added: “"Can you believe this?!" came a voice” – and remark that was the only noise in the Night.

*~*

It might be the first LOUDER in red doesn’t mean anything – or then it does. It kind of looks odd to me.

But more noteworthy (I think) are the three “buzzings” (Nights 2, 4 & 5) and two *fizzles* (on Nights 2 & 5).

On top of those we have a *whoosh* and a *doink* on N4 added with a CLANG and a “Who put that there?”

There’s also a BANG and POP on N2.

And with the *fizzle* on N5 there is the “"Can you believe this?!" –voice.


Any ideas?


EDIT: WIth the new information in, ignore the highlightings.

[Nogrod]

I will give you this teensy bit of help since I already noted this in my DAY 5 opening; that does not mean anything. I just wrote it for fun.
As you see, I thought as much...

Bonus hint: Don't worry about colors, that doesn't mean anything either.Thanks. Saves us some future "highlighting"... :)

[Nogrod]

Btw. Who's gonna be around at the DL?

Lottie, Inzil?

Boro said he woyuldn't - and Lommy & mySelf need to go to sleep more or less now / soonish enough.

How about Morsul (has he been around lately?) or Mith?

I mean knowing Zil & Lottie to be innocents I'd be ready to let them do the voting toDay aka. not voting myself and suggesting that we other Europeans would withhold from it as well as not to complicate things.

We could try to give you our POV's and then you should act on them as you see fit as the DL comes - looking at how the voting there goes.

What do you think? At least I need to be in the bed in half an hour or so.

[Thinlómien]

I think it is entirely possible the GW and the EW have been targeting the same people, and that's waht all the fuss is about. A ranger save or hunter action would have looked different.

I'm wondering why Eönwë gives all the other Night kills the courtesy of being "presumed innocent" but not Nogrod.

And as for our dilemma, I think the preferable option is trying to lynch a bad guy AND communicate either that Boro was innocent (BORO PREY) or that we don't like this communication system anymore because it's too risky (NONE OF THE ABOVE), but I'd say bagging a baddie is more crucial than relaying correct information if it comes to that.

I'm going to sleep in about an hour. I'll see about whether it makes sense to voe or not. I guess I can't cause much damage even if I vote to empower someone most wouldn't empower - it's hard to cause a tie with just one vote, right?


edit: xed with Nog's last

[Loslote]

Btw. Who's gonna be around at the DL?

Lottie, Inzil?

I will be, yeah.

[Mithalwen]

All I can say is I don't know why there would be a significance to me foll8wing Pervinca. I hadn't asked to go. I am clearly not a visitor. Noone else died so not hunter kill. My guess would be that the clang was a ranger blocking a evil wizard target.

[Nogrod]

All I can say is I don't know why there would be a significance to me foll8wing Pervinca. I hadn't asked to go.Kuru confirmed that already and told it was just narrational stuff...

100% agree with Lommy: if we have any decent suspicons, let us empower the person who votes for that one in the Living Thread. Communication of Boro's innocence is of secondary importnace now.

On another issue...

I tried to make this even more concise.

N2
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BANG *fizzle* POP

N4
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ *whoosh* CLANG *doink*
"Who put that there?"

N5
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz booOOOOOoop *fizzle*
"Can you believe this?!" came a voice”

The wolves seem to have succeeded every Night (this is just a presumption, but I think pretty good one). So in that case all those other things are things between the Wizards or the Ranger saving a turning into a wolf.

So the possibilities (for no-wolf–creation – which seem to have taken place on Nights 2, 4 & 5) are:
1) The Ranger protects someone from being turned into a wolf.
2) Both the GW and the EW aim at the same person.
3) The EW targets the GW.
4) The EW targets a gifted.

Something quite unexpected happened on N5 - I'd say. Or something happened like for a third time?

[Thinlómien]

Okay, so, going off of this:

BORO PREY
Brinniel
Eönwë
Legate of Amon Lanc

BORO PREDATOR
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
satansaloser2005

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Shastanis Althreduin
Nerwen

I'd prefer empowering Brinniel, Eönwë, Legate, Shasta or Nerwen. Remove people I consider very fishy, the list shrinks to Eönwë and Shasta.

More importantly, I would prefer to empower a vote for Nerwen, Brinniel or Legate.

Going to sleep soon...

[Thinlómien]

Oh and I wanted to say - Nogrod raised a good question about who's around for the dl. Since the number is not very big, I think I'm gonna skip voting altogether and trust their judgement.

[Loslote]

I tried to make this even more concise.

N2
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BANG *fizzle* POP

N4
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ *whoosh* CLANG *doink*
"Who put that there?"

N5
bzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz booOOOOOoop *fizzle*
"Can you believe this?!" came a voice”

The wolves seem to have succeeded every Night (this is just a presumption, but I think pretty good one). So in that case all those other things are things between the Wizards or the Ranger saving a turning into a wolf.

So the possibilities (for no-wolf–creation – which seem to have taken place on Nights 2, 4 & 5) are:
1) The Ranger protects someone from being turned into a wolf.
2) Both the GW and the EW aim at the same person.
3) The EW targets the GW.
4) The EW targets a gifted.

Something quite unexpected happened on N5 - I'd say. Or something happened like for a third time?

"Who put that there?" sounds like deliberate interference - maybe a Ranger save. "Can you believe this?" sounds like something unexpected - the target was a gifted or the GW. The first one with no comment seems to me to fit best with option 2, where both Wizards targeted the same person. But that could be reading too much into it.

If not everyone is going to be around to vote close to DL, I'd like to hear who everyone would like to vote for (for clarification, who everyone thinks is suspicious). I'll include my list as well.

Very suspicious: Nerwen, Lalaith
Suspicious: Legate, Eomer
Borderline: Brinn, Eonwe
Unknown, unknowable: Sally, Shasta

I'd want to steer the lynch towards the people in the Very Suspicious and Suspicious groups. I think that would give us the best shot at catching a wolf. But, it doesn't look like Nerwen or Lalaith or Eomer are lynch candidates toDay, so I would prefer to steer the lynch towards Legate. Would everyone be comfortable with that? If we as a group are more suspicious of, say, Brinn, I would be willing to try to steer the lynch that way instead, but I would personally prefer Legate.

EDIT: xed with Lommy

[Loslote]

Back again briefly- no, I don't think I'm misrepresenting you. Certainly not deliberately- I've been looking at what you actually say in those posts and interpreting it as best I can. Maybe you meant something different by it- who knows? I felt there was a certain house-of-cards logic to some of your suspicions, to which I wanted to draw attention.

...

Comments: Hard to say. Much of her posting seems sensible and innocent but there are some definite wolfy indications as well. Hmmn.

How do the living not think she's suspicious? This is reading so wolfy to me. :eek::mad:

[Nogrod]

Okay. I need to go to sleep.

I'll refrain from voting for our empowerment not to make things harder around the DL.

Look at the Living Thread closely - it seems they are once again leaving their votes to the very latest.

For what it's worth, I do suspect Nerwen and am very uneasy with Brinn - and share somewhat the suspicions on Legate (could be the N3 turned wolf?). At the same time I do acknowledge that Nerwen and Brinn had a spat (could be pre-arranged to make distance between them) and Legate has looked much more innocent and reasonable toDay.

I see why some people think Eönwe must be innocent, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be the N1 wolf.

Eomer and Lalaith are the two real enigmas to me and just now I think they deserve to win if they're baddies (especially if they both are!).

Sally and Shasta have taken such little part I don't know what to say - but the exact opposite from Eomer and Lalaith - they don't deserve to win if they do. :rolleyes:


But I do hope you take seriously the idea that we should try to help to lynch a baddie toDay. Letting the Living know that Boro is innocent - or that we're not too happy with the system any more - is, I think, secondary.

[Thinlómien]

Yeah, I very much doubt both Nerwen and Brinn are evil, and Nerwen seems worse. I also wonder about a Nerwen-Shasta team (Nerwen = EW, Shasta = wolf?) using their recurring lovey-dovey werewolf act as a smokescreen for an alliance? Who'd be the other, presumably later-created wolf?

edit: xed with Nog

[Mithalwen]

I will try to be around but last time I woke a couple of hours later fully dressed and clutching tablet.:o

[Nogrod]

Just inspired by Lottie...

N2 Both Wizards went after the same person (thus Pop! - their hopes vanished into thin air)

N4 The Ranger saved a turning (thus *Whoosh* (EW's attempt) Clang! (shielded))

N5 Both Wizards went after each other (that would be the unbelievable part - and with the buzz there is also a Booop - like crashing to each other?). That would also explain Kuru's "it's going to be an interesting Day" -remark?

[Thinlómien]

I think Legate's last post just made him look considerably more innocent. It made sense, seemed to be from a genuinely innocent pov, and proved he's thinking outside the box.

While Nerwen is creepily echoing Shasta, further fueling my theory of them being in cahoots. Any chance of getting Nerwen lynched toDay?


edit: xed with noggelsgoggels

[Nogrod]

I will try to be around but last time I woke a couple of hours later fully dressed and clutching tablet.:oIf we have Lottie and Inzil - both granted and known innocents around there, we Europeans can I think sleep with good conscience. They should be able to handle it as good as anyone of us.

So for my part I'll just say, pay heed to what we have said and follow the Living Thread - whoever knows what may happen (I'm still a bit afraid there will be the Duel but called for at the last stages so that the innocents can't gather their lines for the lynch - and we'll struggle to react.

But keeping the thumbs up for you and us all.

Good night and good luck - and let's hope there will be toMorrow!


PS. Any chance of getting Nerwen lynched toDay?I hope there is...

[Thinlómien]

I'm a bit surprised that more people aren't wrestling with these numbers. We've had all game to speculate on 'so-and-so feels wolfy to me'; but now there's possibly essential info for us to work with. We've not come across a single wolf all game - we've been shooting in the dark!

But today, we know for certain that the EW is not at maximum wolfage. Either Boro was innocent, in which case we need to work out possible night scenarios - all of which seem less likely to me, given that they're based on so much bad luck for the EW.

Or Boro was guilty, which I find more likely, and which probably cuts our lynch candidates almost by half.

All right, time to focus more closely on my top lynch suspects.So first "we've not come across a single wolf" then suddenly back to assuming Boro was a wolf? :eek: Well that's... convenient. Much worse than Zil's "slip" if you ask me...

Summary: feeling worse about Eomer and Shasta than I indicated earlier, and much better about Legate. Would prefer to lynch Nerwen no matter the cost.

But going now. Good night, and

http://s12.favim.com/orig/160428/the-force-awakens-sw-7-star-wars-gif-Favim.com-4254562.gif

[Inziladun]

Btw. Who's gonna be around at the DL?

Lottie, Inzil?

I think I can be here at DL.

Oh and I wanted to say - Nogrod raised a good question about who's around for the dl. Since the number is not very big, I think I'm gonna skip voting altogether and trust their judgement.

In other words, no pressure. ;)

[Loslote]

One other thing to consider, when thinking about the submarines: If I were the GW on Night 1, who would I pick to be the Ranger? The person least likely to be lynched. Probably someone who is often a submarine.

[Loslote]

If Sally's the GW, we might be about to get our Duel...

[Loslote]

There are fifteen minutes until we need to vote for empowerment, and the living have yet to cast a single vote. :mad:

[Mithalwen]

Well a rather absentee one. I am still irked by the submarine thing. Brinn, Shasta and Sally have all posted less that Kuru! People who have been dead for days have more!
I don't think Sally has posted anything original only that she can't post, reproofs and vote counts. I suppose absenteeism is good cover but it makes it an unsporting game.

[Mithalwen]

There are fifteen minutes until we need to vote for empowerment, and the living have yet to cast a single vote. :mad:

Playing who blinks first:eek:

[Loslote]

If no one commits before we need to vote, maybe we could do Shasta again? He's at least said he might vote for Legate, and his other options (Brinn and Eonwe, I think) aren't too bad.

[Mithalwen]

I can't believe all the deadthread communication timewasters were innocent. If so the evils must have laughed their socks off in gratitude.

[Inziladun]

Well, look at this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=708337&postcount=664) from Nerwen.

[Loslote]

l am suggesting that I know some things about people's roles. I don't want to reveal what my own is exactly, but suffice it to say that I have been told that Boro was, and Eonwe is, innocent. That is all for now.

Ohohohohohoho

Interesting

Visitor who Dies, maybe, speaking for the GW?

[Inziladun]

Ohohohohohoho

Interesting

Visitor who Dies, maybe, speaking for the GW?

Or, a baddie who also knows those things.

[Inziladun]

I know Kuru prefers us not to wait til the last minute for our stuff, but that's what the bloody Living keep doing!

[Loslote]

Or, a baddie who also knows those things.

Could be, but seems like quite the bluff when the GW has no reason not to reveal themselves and expose her.

[Mithalwen]

No the Visitors don't know they are gifted until they go. She is implying she is ranger or more likely hunter and getting dreams from GW which wouldn't give giften but might give info maybe eonwe and Boro ranger saves? Nerwen hunter ?
Or very cool wolf who has given name of one she knows innocent and a packmate?

[Inziladun]

Honestly, I've been away for a good chunk of the Day, and haven't had as much time to watch things here as I'd have liked. Do we maybe want to empower steve?

[Loslote]

No the Visitors don't know they are gifted until they go. She is implying she is ranger or more likely hunter and getting dreams from GW which wouldn't give giften but might give info maybe eonwe and Boro ranger saves? Nerwen hunter ?
Or very cool wolf who has given name of one she knows innocent and a packmate?

Hunter makes sense. And if the GW chose to scry twice instead of making either Visitor, they could have passed on that info to the Hunter. That implies that the GW doesn't know who the EW is, which is not a great sign.

[Inziladun]

Shasta just voted for Legate. Hmm

[Mithalwen]

I don't know maybe just let them deal with it. I just dont' know but I more suspect Legate than Nerwen. I mean she would be a good choice as a hunter.. as well as a wolf.

[Loslote]

Shasta just voted for Legate. Hmm

I'd be willing to empower a vote by Shasta for Legate.

[Inziladun]

I'd be willing to empower a vote by Shasta for Legate.

I'll back you on that, if nothing better presents itself.

[Mithalwen]

I would be inclined to vote to empower Shasta then... but I will bow to the known innocents... well I know I am an innocent but you know what I mean

[Loslote]

Okay, let's do it

++Shasta

[Loslote]

If you're telling the truth, I think we might want to consider a Legate-Eomer wolf(/EW)-pack, given the support they've been giving each other toDay, without actually sharing too many direct suspicions.

Finally, the living say something I agree with!

[Mithalwen]

++Shasta

Hopefully the repeat vote will indicate that we aren't going with plan, But I really think that is irrelevant

[Loslote]

Nerwen, the rules clearly say you wouldn't be told anyone elses role as a gifted.

The rules do not clearly state that. I don't know if this is a panicking wolf or just late night sleepiness.

[Mithalwen]

I loved the way they suddenly realise they were shooting blind and had no concrete information. They only just noticed?

[Inziladun]

Here's hoping for some good luck.

++Shasta

[Loslote]

I loved the way they suddenly realise they were shooting blind and had no concrete information. They only just noticed?

Haha! Yeah, what a revelation. :rolleyes::p

[Mithalwen]

Is it me or is Legate panicking?

[Inziladun]

Is it me or is Legate panicking?

Sure seems like it.

[Loslote]

Is it me or is Legate panicking?

I see that too. I think he must be a wolf.

[Kuruharan]

I told everyone that today would be interesting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFHg0uRAyVs).

[Mithalwen]

What I have been thinking even when I was alive. Anyone got popcorn?

[Loslote]

Well if that isn't the same kind of thing tho. I mean the replies are supposed to be roleplayed, they are conveyed. One would assume them to be filtered, otherwise it would not make much sense to have that rule in the first place.

Ohhh, now the rules (or, well, the loopholes he didn't see coming) aren't fair, I see. :p

[Inziladun]

Of course, assuming toMorrow does come, they'll take from our actions the None of the Above from the list.

[Mithalwen]

I told everyone that today would be interesting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFHg0uRAyVs).

I know sweetie, but it has been a long wait for it to get interesting and I was a little downcast when I turned out not to be a visitor. I had planned a bit of mischief.

[Loslote]

I had assumed from reading the rules that the GW was only allowed to discuss strategy with Gifteds. I thought no naming of names was allowed. I may well have assumed wrong. Kuru please advise?

Lal is panicking in the same way as Legate - and they're both crying foul about the GW communication rules. I think we've found our pack, guys. :p

[Inziladun]

Lal is panicking in the same way as Legate - and they're both crying foul about the GW communication rules. I think we've found our pack, guys. :p

And what about Eomer?

If there's no lynch today, and a kill at night, and the last wolf created, we lose. Is EW Nerwen trying to get us to attempt a lynch on her?

[Mithalwen]

I wouldn't be surprised about Lal. I was sure she was something. She was far too interested in my vanished vote. .

[Loslote]

And what about Eomer?

EW, I'm guessing, to Lal and Legate's wolves.

[Loslote]

Not that on top of everything.

Ok. I want to hear from Eönwë what he has to say for himself.

Then - heck. I could vote for Nerwen. Or I could vote for Eönwë, but I want to hear from him first, because if Nerwen is pulling some super-complicated scheme and dragging innocent Eönwë into something...

But really, this is getting so muddled up that I could just vote also Eönwë because it is anyway possible he is a Wolf as well. I mean objectively he was even more suspicious than her. So maybe it is EW Nerwen trying to save a Wolf of hers?

Oh, come on now, you know you're grasping at straws here. Poor wolf, all thrown into a panic...:p

[Mithalwen]

Aw Bless him, Shasta is encouraged by our support yesterday. He will be dead chuffed to be empowered again today. Just hope he isn't a conniving little furball but what will be will be.

[Mithalwen]

Hard to do eyebrow raising when you are not there.. however the range of I can't post posts might cause one to quirk. :cool:

[Mithalwen]

To think I had got election fatigue. Our empowerment might really be a factor. Exciting

[Kuruharan]

Everyone's gone all quiet. :p

[Mithalwen]

So we have tied it?

[Kuruharan]

The ruthless efficiency of the Resident Machine was replaced this DAY with a more easy going consensus that they had a lack of consensus about what was happening in the world of the Living.

Several of the residents decided that it would be best to just enjoy the food and not worry too much about it this DAY.

Others disagreed and thought that since they had a vote they should use it.

Who knows, it might really make a difference toDAY.

As fate would have it...it did.

No new friend for you toDAY.

Now you must decide on a NIGHTly activity.

I suggest figuring out what's going on.

Almost all the pieces are completely out in the open now...just a bit smudged so you can't tell what they are. :p

Living
Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien
Loslote (Prey)
Mithalwen
Boromir88 (Prey)
Nogrod

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

[Loslote]

Whoops. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Still, I guess it's better there was no lynch than that an innocent Eonwe was lynched? Maybe? Either way, I'm super unimpressed with the probable innocents who let that happen - I'm looking at Sally and Brinn, who should have known better than to let it get that close to a tie. And also who didn't pick up on the very obvious wolf pack behavior by Legate, Lal, and Eomer. That should have been an easy lynch, and they royally messed it up.

[Mithalwen]

Well if we hadn't empowered and Nerwen is telling truth we saved an innocent at least

[Inziladun]

Silly living people. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

The one thing I could think of to explain Sally and Brinn's votes is maybe the GW tried to intervene on a Gifted Legate's behalf, but I think Legate would have just revealed as Gifted if that were the case.

[Mithalwen]

Brinniel was defending Sally over Shasta as submarine saying she posted more content. Hmm Edit No actually she said the reverse. Well that is another theory scuppered

Anyway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x227rl we can dance if we want to

[Kuruharan]

Brinniel was defending Sally over Shasta as submarine saying she posted more content. Hmm

Anyway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x227rl we can dance if we want to

I was just listening to that...

[Mithalwen]

:D:cool: Splendid

[Nogrod]

Indeed! :D

It's now up to this Night's activity whether the game still continues or not.

The positive side is, that the EW needs to succeed in two different actions (one turning into a wolf and one kill) and the GW seems to have quite a nice track-record in intervening her plans (or stumbling on them) thus far.

The negative side is, that the Evil-side can co-operate whereas the good one probably can't. I haven't yet read the end of yesterDay and it seems (looking at the discussion in this thread) there just might be a possibility for goodies to know things? Well, I'm going to read that myself the next.

[Nogrod]

I'm super unimpressed with the probable innocents who let that happen - I'm looking at Sally and Brinn, who should have known better than to let it get that close to a tie. And also who didn't pick up on the very obvious wolf pack behavior by Legate, Lal, and Eomer. That should have been an easy lynch, and they royally messed it up.
I'm a bit worried it wasn't that simple...

Truly, you could read Legate and Lalaith being somewhat annoyed hearing the gifteds might be given knowledge on other innocents' roles. But looking at it from another angle it might also be read as last minute stress when they were afraid a baddie was pulling a major trick on them and they felt powerless against it.

I mean I don't know. I'm kind of drawn to the first interpretation (aka. Lalaith & Legate could be wolves - Lal from the beginning, Leg from N3 could fit). But think also of the possibility Nerwen is a wolf - they knew that if an innocent was lynched they'd only need to manage a conversion or a kill the next Night (so only one of their two actions would be enough) to win. And I certainly wouldn't put it past Nerwen to be able and willing to pull that kind of daring from her arsenal.

The good thing is, there are clearly two parties forming there. So we just need to pick up the right one to back it toMorrow (given there is a toMorrow) - and there are all the odds the Night's actions could give us a clue on that.

[Nogrod]

Oh, and still on a totally different issue.

Now that we have no fresh lynchee, should we check someone - and who? Is there any reason why a certain Night's action would be more interesting to know more about than some other's? Is there actually anything we can learn from the Night-kills, or are we all Night-killed plain ordos by definition (as goodies we wouldn't want to hide any role given to us from each other here, I presume)?

[Mithalwen]

Well Kuru has cleared up my mystery we won't know if you are a visitor til it happens. A hunter kill would require 2 carcases ao unless i am being terminally thick as usual we don't have one among us. Wolf on wolf nightkill seems unlikely. But may as well confirm one night kill. I would rather it not me , not because I am scared just won't learn anything.

I am going to read through with my vote liat and see if it confirma my ideaa and prejudices!

[Thinlómien]

Ugh. Ugh.

I am so confused. Will be back later, but I really don't know who's who in the living thread. Also I don't know what the good wizard is playing at.

Yes we should confirm someone's role. If Morsul was something weird I think we'd know by now. I know I was an ordo. So I'd go for either Mith or Nogrod. Maybe check which one has a weirder narration? Also Nogrod, unlike Mith, hasn't explicitly stated he was an ordo, or then I missed it. :D

[Mithalwen]

I rather think our living had stopped worrying about vote trail since they thought game ending. Only advantage goodies had is that the baddies needed to avoid Hunter and GW. I suspect all those who voted for Eonwe are evil . Eomer may be only ordo. If Nerwen is EW she hasn't full complement of wolves or she would have got her kill. Anyway that is my theory. Will see if it pans out.

[Morsul the Dark]

++Nog
Lommy makes a fair point.

[Mithalwen]

]++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

I can only say the same as Lommy & Mith, that I myself would learn something from checking another person than me, but well, one can't always get what one wants. :)

So fine by me. I'm an ordo.

++ Nogrod

The narration the Night I died was pretty weird - but if the only viable extra with my ordoness is that I'm the visitor (which I doubt looking back at the situation both wizards were in), then we won't learn it this way... But anyway. No problem as I don't see any maajor reason to believe that Morsul, Lommy or Mith were some evil tricksters either.

[Inziladun]

Get this out of the way:

++Nog

[Kuruharan]

Well, that makes a majority, and since I am about to step out my door for a brief out of town work trip...

*drumroll*

Nogrod is PREY.

FYI, I won't be available again until a few hours before deadline.

Now, a happy song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av5dJrGnBg4) to build morale!

Doubly appropriate as it is a summer time anthem.

[Inziladun]

Well, that makes a majority, and since I am about to step out my door for a brief out of town work trip...

*drumroll*

Nogrod is PREY.

Good to know he's not leading us astray. An evil Nog is very adept at it. ;)

Now, a happy song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av5dJrGnBg4) to build morale!

Doubly appropriate as it is a summer time anthem.

Excellent. I feel sunnier already.

[Boromir88]

Darnit, missed the reveal...

Well then just for the record... :p

++Morsul

At least there was a probable innocent saved. I'm inclined to believe Nerwen. Her and Shasta usually team up together which is awesome for us if they're gifteds, but absolutely dreadful if they're wolves.

Shasta's got a point about sally's tone this game too...Granted I was more random and strange than usual, but if she's innocent she's being very unhelpful and careless.

[Boromir88]

I say this because while Nerwen is speaking more certainty on her knowledge (certainty that would suggest either gifted or wolf/EW)...

Those who are challenging her "how she knows" aren't going after her to lynch. Lalaith, Legate, Eomer...it's like they're trying to leave her for a night kill if they're able. Because they're trying to cast doubt on her knowledge, therefore she's evil...but then they turn to get Eonwe lynched for basically no reason.

Sorry if none of that makes sense. Basically if Lalaith, Legate, and Eomer were innocent and truly felt Nerwen is evil/false with her reveals yesterday, why did they try to get Eonwe lynched?

[Mithalwen]

Is there any real point I wonder putting more time in this I feel it is going to all happen without us intervening.

[Inziladun]

Is there any real point I wonder putting more time in this I feel it is going to all happen without us intervening.

Certainly our hands are tied for the moment. What comes next we'll see after the Day breaks....

[Nogrod]

As there is a real option the game ends toNight, I see no great incentive to work for hours trying to clear things up to myself - or to you my companions in this predicament. Especially because if the game actually continues after the dawn comes, there will be some critically important new information to chew, possibly making most our toil toNight irrelevant or at least outdated.

So with that I'll probably withdraw now from toNight (I'll check around later if something happens).

See you toMorrow! Hopefully in a game that is still on!


PS. We're going to our summer-cottage tomorrow afternoon (RL = GMT +3) with a gang... including Lommy and Legate. We'll have internet access there and at least our phones - I thought I might take my laptop with me (not sure yet) but as there is no electricity, there is no way to charge it once the battery runs out. And anyway, we'll be concentrating mostly on other things than WW up to Sunday/Monday (not sure yet whether we come back on Sunday evening or on Monday).

[Inziladun]

As there is a real option the game ends toNight, I see no great incentive to work for hours trying to clear things up to myself - or to you my companions in this predicament. Especially because if the game actually continues after the dawn comes, there will be some critically important new information to chew, possibly making most our toil toNight irrelevant or at least outdated.

So with that I'll probably withdraw now from toNight (I'll check around later if something happens).

See you toMorrow! Hopefully in a game that is still on!


PS. We're going to our summer-cottage tomorrow afternoon (RL = GMT +3) with a gang... including Lommy and Legate. We'll have internet access there and at least our phones - I thought I might take my laptop with me (not sure yet) but as there is no electricity, there is no way to charge it once the battery runs out. And anyway, we'll be concentrating mostly on other things than WW up to Sunday/Monday (not sure yet whether we come back on Sunday evening or on Monday).

Ok, sir. Hope you all have a great time unplugged from the world!

[Mithalwen]

Save that Master Nogrod has forgotten that he may be a visitor but he may have a better recall than I do and not need to make notes. Certainly he and Lommie can sort out his wrongness between themselves...:smokin:

[Kuruharan]

The Cast

Legate of Amon Lanc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_hcwB8i64)
Brinniel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=booKP974B0k)
satansaloser2005 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cApq15kOKA)
Eomer of the Rohirrim (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA)

Nerwen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm3ypbAbLJ8)
Shastanis Althreduin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs)
Eönwë (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO8qCRVj8dI)

Inziladun
Loslote
Boromir88
Morsul the Dark
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Mithalwen
Nogrod
Pervinca Took

WEREWOLVES VICTORIOUS!




In honor of the werewolf victory, let us now consider this thread concluded and have our post game discussion in the Living Thread.