Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Dead Thread

[Kuruharan]

Hey! Look at that, I managed to get the number and all other relevant information in both thread titles! Go me! :D

This is the Dead Thread for Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III.

Is that enough Roman numerals for you?

If you are a Living player, i.e. you have not been announced or listed as Dead in various ways in one of my closing or opening game narrations, then this is not the thread for you!!!

Reading further constitutes cheating.

If you are Dead, then this is the thread for you.

In you go.

*WHOOSH*





























































































Welcome.

Dead players may read this entire thread and continue to read the main game thread. You may, however, only post here. You may post here NIGHT and DAY. By DAY, after there are two residents here, you may vote for a Living Player to be given a double vote for that DAY's lynch. The Living Player will not know of this until after the fact, but it will be clearly stated in the post-DAY narration who had their vote doubled.

Every NIGHT after there are two residents here you may vote for me to reveal the alignment of one dead player which I will state as PREDATOR or PREY.

The deadline is 8:00 PM US Eastern.

Participation is optional.

As in the Living Thread, ties result in nothing happening.

And...if you ARE still alive, stop it. You will live in shame for the rest of your days if you cheat and you know it!

The Dead
many names will be here soon

[Kuruharan]

"AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. ...*gasp for breath*...."AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

*PLOP*

The fall of the Unfortunate was abruptly cut off by a pile of cushions.

The Unfortunate slowly moved around, trying to ascertain if he was in any way injured.

Miraculously, it didn't seem that he was...except that vision...the Teeth...the Claws in the NIGHT.

It felt like he had fallen for miles and miles...and yet he was uninjured...how could that be?

Lights appeared.

Before the Unfortunate was spread out a vast and magnificent banquet. I would describe it in exquisite detail...but I'm still not George R. R. Martin and I am a bit pressed for time. Just assume that it held in abundance all the foods that the Unfortunate loved most in the world and then some.

"Hello..?" said the Unfortunate.

His voice echoed back to him, and yet was muffled at the same time.

"Is anyone there?"

Then PAAAAIN...and he knew.

He was dead. The teeth and claws had been real.

This...who knows?

Maybe Salmoxis was right. Maybe death is a banquet.

Well, if he was stuck before he was really stuck now. Nothing else for it but to try some food.

~~~~~~

Well, better late than never...or not, I guess, given what we are talking about.

DAY 2 has begun.

I'm afraid there isn't much for you to do toDAY...but it's not my fault. :p

Living
Nerwen
Inziladun
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark

[Morsul the Dark]

I had a feeling (https://youtu.be/t8iTZm8-mbA)

I was like hmmm bet I die.

Welp I'm gonna spam my thoughts here that I had prepared for the living thread.

Boro and Lottie super suspicious especially at the end sounded like an EW Begging a wolf to save them.

Man I gotta wait for someone else to do cool things...

[Morsul the Dark]

Sure he didn't *wink*

Edit: I can use emojis?

Edit 2: never mind

[Morsul the Dark]

Kuru I hope you don't have notifications on, if you do I'll stop.

Inzil GREAT question!

Not sure they'd had guessed me gifted I wasn't the first to cast suspicion on Lottie even if I were the first vote for her.

[Kuruharan]

Don't worry about it.

I'm going to have so many notifications to delete it isn't even funny.

My Barrow Downs email isn't my main email so I don't necessarily check it that often.

I should probably do that and clear them out this evening, now that we mention it.

Anyway, I have a fun idea for a game.

Boro has wanted to be in the Dead Thread in a Dead Thread game since they were invented and he hasn't made it yet.

We should place bets on whether he makes it this game or not.

I almost think he will not this time either.

[Morsul the Dark]

Can't say.

I'd say odds are 3-1 he makes it in

[Kuruharan]

One thing I will note for your benefit since you didn't play last time I hosted a game:

I always post the Dead Thread narration first of the two narrations at the beginning and end of every DAY and NIGHT.

[Morsul the Dark]

Neat

Edit: I didn't even realize the narrative here was different I read it here and didn't read the living assuming it was the same neat.

[Morsul the Dark]

*slams cupboards*

*Throws books*

*other spirit antics*

I thought this was supposed to be the dead thread.

[Morsul the Dark]

See this is why you don't kill the guy that talks too much. *Glares at unknown wolf*

I popped all this popcorn for nothing. Harrumph

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm running for city Council next year. That has nothing to do with the game I'm just excited. Oh and I've applied to a few different jobs. Been at my current one for 15 years, sort of at a dead end career wise here because they screwed me over. So hopefully I'll get a call back soon. Not that you need to know just figured y'all don't know where I work so no harm venting to you.

Wonder if Nerwen looked through my posts yet...

I also wonder what the next victim will think of coming in here with almost a page of nonsense and self blabber.

Hey future friend! If you ever wanted to know how my brain works this is it jumping from topic to topic no transition needed.

I should probably look at that plan thingy Eonwe wrote up...

Nah winging it is way more fun.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oooh some movement.

Meh nothing exciting. Historically speaking I'm an easy lynch because I think in a different way than most which makes me suspicious. I tend to last a while but die right at that time that tilts the games favor. For me to be killed night one in my opinion has a certain amount of significance. If nothing more than I got people talking.

[Morsul the Dark]

Hah wonder what happens if they try to kill the visitor and the visitor is resurrected I'd be alone an extra day. Ha.

[Morsul the Dark]

Brinn picking up what I'm putting down. I said that yesterday it's like having multiple day ones with no idea how many wolves there are.

Although I can't honestly remember ever being gifted... hunter maybe? Was a wolf my first time out got along for a while as a lone wolf by playing a confused cobbler.

At any rate, Lottie is my top suspect especially with that last minute shenanigan.

[Morsul the Dark]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. In a 1/1 situation in theory the dead could swing a win in either direction. I'm just wondering if a tie is still an automatic win.

It's funny I posted this and afterwards thought it'd get me lynched. Seems to worded as a wolf asking if they'd still win.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh right, I totally didn't understand Eonwes plan and made a point to say it. That'd be a decent reason to kill me off not as useful in here.

[Morsul the Dark]

, I wouldn't ignore it either, yay Mith!

[Morsul the Dark]

Since it is strictly against the rules for us to cite post counts from the Dead Thread, I will definitely not mention the fact that it has seventeen posts as of now in support of any theory that poor Morsul is just babbling away to himself in there à la Gollum.:smoking:

EDIT: x’d with Lalaith.

Naaaahhhh.
I'm fine :p

[Morsul the Dark]

Living
Nerwen-Innocent probably
Inziladun- Innocent Probably
Loslote- Evil Wizard
Boromir88- just wants to die so probably innocent
Shastanis Althreduin- could go either way
satansaloser2005- probably innocent... or a wolf
Eomer of the Rohirrim- don't know
Thinlómien- probably innocent
Lalaith -don't know
Legate of Amon- innocent probably
Mithalwen- either way
Eönwë innocent probably
Nogrod don't know
Pervencia Took Probably innocent
Brinniel- Don't know

[Morsul the Dark]

note: It is NOT ALLOWED for a Living Player to click on the post count link of the Dead Thread to check and see how many times Dead Thread player have posted. Obviously you will be able to see how many posts there are in total and who the last poster is, but that is all that is allowed. Do not check who has posted how many times, do not cite who has posted how many times, do not base arguments on it. You are the Living and they are the Dead and you don’t know what they are up to…and quite possibly neither do they.

That one.

[Kuruharan]

I just noticed that I mislabeled the DAY in the opening narration today.

The shame! :o

Fixed it now. No one will ever know. :D

Hah wonder what happens if they try to kill the visitor and the visitor is resurrected I'd be alone an extra day. Ha.

The odds are this will be your only day alone.

A Visitor will be here in the Dead Thread for at least a NIGHT phase, which would presumably (barring a Ranger save or something like that) add one more person to the population in the Dead Thread.

Of course, now that I have said that, we will now get a spate of ties in the Living Thread and then Ranger saves and you'll be in here alone forever.

Much to Boro's dismay.

[Morsul the Dark]

That'd be hilarious not going to lie.

Heh I like Mitch's Monty Python link.

Also Bad Lip Readings are always great.

[Morsul the Dark]

Pfft this my dead thread I'm not telling you living people what to do, am I? Hmmm??

[Morsul the Dark]

For Zil

Eeeevill (https://youtu.be/-7GNHqipgrk)

[Morsul the Dark]

*Shouting* IVE NEVER BEEN IN A FAME WITH A DEAD THREAD! It's Not a thing!

[Morsul the Dark]

Boromir does have a point look at all this Space (https://youtu.be/TwD8BRDbndw)

[Morsul the Dark]

Hmm...

I wonder if I can get to page two before someone else gets here.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh I'd need 40 comments here before then ummm unlikely

[Morsul the Dark]

I had a feeling (https://youtu.be/t8iTZm8-mbA)

I was like hmmm bet I die.

Welp I'm gonna spam my thoughts here that I had prepared for the living thread.

Boro and Lottie super suspicious especially at the end sounded like an EW Begging a wolf to save them.

Man I gotta wait for someone else to do cool things...

Eonwe: too bad you can't read this thread I literally said that first thing. Run with it!

[Morsul the Dark]

Yes, but for my second post what I was getting at was that for toNight, both people should vote for toDay's lynchee (so we don't have a wasted Night on that thread).

Honestly I'm not going to let MY playstyle be dictated by others. Thanks though.

[Morsul the Dark]

Votes are spread out 1 each across the board. I might stay alone again:rolleyes:

I'm betting Sally goes with her gut she usually does so Lottie might join me.

If Eonwe does this might get awkward...

[Morsul the Dark]

If Boro is that determined another self vote is possible I suppose

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm not saying I'm going to be deliberately useless or obstructive just that I'm not going to just absorb someone else's plan. All in all though might be fun to have Boro here :o:D

[Kuruharan]

If Eonwe does this might get awkward...

That's just what I was thinking. ;)

EDIT: Although I have to say that at the moment there is the very realistic possibility of another tie.

I was not anticipating this...the game may take longer than I expected and cause some time problems for people. :-/

[Morsul the Dark]

Zil-> Nerwen
Lommy -> Eönwe
Eomer -> Lottie
Lalaith -> Eomer
Legate -> Boro
Mith -> Inzil

Currently

[Morsul the Dark]

10 minutes attention 10 minutes to deadline. Let's see what happens Nerwen and Boro both looking at possible second votes as well as Lottie.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow there's a possibility I stay alone

[Morsul the Dark]

Pervinca need ++ on her vote.

So Zil will probably be my buddy...

[Morsul the Dark]

Deadline!

[Morsul the Dark]

Can I still post?

Sally failed the challenge just saying.

Yes two pages!

[Kuruharan]

The resident of…wherever this is, had pottered about during the DAY. Somehow, he knew the things that were happening in the world of the Living. They were having some meaty conversations over there toDAY. But knowing is sometimes not even half the battle. There was nothing the resident could do about anything right now.

This frustrated him a bit, no doubt. Alas, there was just simply nothing to do about it…and nothing to do except wander about sampling the food and chattering to nobody in particular. This the resident did…avidly.

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…*gasp for breath*…HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

A Friend! :-D :-D

Maybe “things” could be done now!

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun

EDIT: Yeah, Dead Thread people can post whenever.

This NIGHT you can vote for who you want to have their role revealed! :D

[Morsul the Dark]

...avidly

I'm literally laughing out loud so hard for like two minutes straight.:D:D:D

[Morsul the Dark]

Welcome Zil (https://youtu.be/NHwq9YHtUes)

Ah... so we don't reveal the role to the living just to us. Interesting.

You want to know me or shall we expose you?

[Morsul the Dark]

++Zil

I'm a night kill the chances I'm evil and got sacrificed are ludicrous.

You're a day kill. Much more likely to go either way.

[Inziladun]

So this is death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiOq6c2Y0Ao), huh? Wow. Nice chairs. Music is not to my taste though.

[Inziladun]

I didn't find out about this til this morning. As usual, I'm the last to know about everything. :rolleyes:
I regret nothing: I went to see Paul McCartney in concert, and it was an awesome show.

[Inziladun]

All right. I don't see you as a confirmed good guy just because you were a Night-kill, Morsul, but obviously I'm a more likely baddie.

At any rate, voting for you would only cement suspicion of me. Since I've nothing to hide:

++Inzil

[Kuruharan]

...especially since I've got a ton of game related stuff to do today. And that is aside from all the other stuff I have to do.

*drumroll*

Inziladun is PREY.

That was very quick and effective.

Will you be that quick and effective in choosing who to vote for tomorrow? ;)

[Inziladun]

Will you be that quick and effective in choosing who to vote for tomorrow? ;)

Can't say, beyond not Nerwen. :p

[Morsul the Dark]

All right. I don't see you as a confirmed good guy just because you were a Night-kill, Morsul, but obviously I'm a more likely baddie.

At any rate, voting for you would only cement suspicion of me. Since I've nothing to hide:

++Inzil

Fair enough. We can reveal my role tomorrow night. That's fair.

As for our empowerment vote hopefully we can be just as efficient I laid out my thoughts all throughout yesterday some relevant some not so much... if you have anything to add or question have at it. For what it's worth I have no idea why you got bandwaggoned. I was Lottie vote all the way as I said in my first post and some picked up my reasoning but let it go...

[Inziladun]

Fair enough. We can reveal my role tomorrow night. That's fair.

Meh, we can play it by ear, depending on our next arrival.

As for our empowerment vote hopefully we can be just as efficient I laid out my thoughts all throughout yesterday some relevant some not so much... if you have anything to add or question have at it. For what it's worth I have no idea why you got bandwaggoned. I was Lottie vote all the way as I said in my first post and some picked up my reasoning but let it go...

I need to look back through your solitary posting here. Are we going to go by the proposed empowerment framework? I have to confess to still not seeing why it's so foolproof.

[Morsul the Dark]

You'll notice in my rambling I'm not overly enamored with the "plan"

[Inziladun]

Ok, I'm caught up here.

I definitely sympathize with your notation that your playing style makes you an easy lynch.
I used to be accused of playing too "carefully", and that was a reason to suspect me. In this game, Nerwen wanted me to believe she seriously thought I made that 'slip' (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=707518&postcount=176)'. It's almost insulting. :rolleyes:

That's really why I voted her again, and why I'm certainly no less suspicious of her now.
I will resist the urge though, to want to empower someone who suspects/votes for her.

And the thing about Ëonwë's Empowerment Plan™ (sounds like a self-help video series), is that don't know his alignment. Did the Living ever come to a consensus if they all wanted that?

[Morsul the Dark]

They seemed fans of it except Mith

[Inziladun]

They seemed fans of it except Mith

Depending on what they say today, maybe we should abide by it. That way they could hopefully glean my alignment.

[Inziladun]

Also, if they are expecting us to use the system, and we don't, the innocents could draw entirely the wrong conclusion from out empowerment.

I'd personally rather we had more flexibility, but there it is. :rolleyes:

[Kuruharan]

At last, useful activity! The residents were so excited by it that they performed their allotted functions with record speed and efficiency.

Now what..?

Back to sampling food and chattering!

The food must have been very good indeed, because with two of them, as opposed to one, there was hardly any chattering at all.

Then, at what they knew was the appointed hour:

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...*gasp for breath*...HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

A new friend! And a new chance to do "things!"

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien

[Morsul the Dark]

Lommy. Welcome. This is our humble death plac.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'd like to watch Sally.

She has a way of posting various incarnations of "can't post right now" not necessarily an evil trait but always an easy way to submarine if evil.

[Inziladun]

I'd like to watch Sally.

She has a way of posting various incarnations of "can't post right now" not necessarily an evil trait but always an easy way to submarine if evil.

Indeed. I'm rather curious about steve too, since he was one on my bandwagon. I don't think he voted Day 1.

[Morsul the Dark]

Steve is Eonwe correct?

[Inziladun]

Steve is Eonwe correct?

Yes. I'm such a stickler for correctness I insist on putting in all the right vowel marks on this forum, and in his case I'm just too lazy. ;)

[Inziladun]

Looks like the Living are about to start discussing our role here, whether they want to do the Plan. I'm here to help the good guys, so whatever that means to them, I'll do me best.

[Inziladun]

If they do go with it, our list toDay looks like this:

PREY
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Eönwë
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote

PREDATOR
Mithalwen
Nerwen
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

I think so, anyway. Feel free to check behind me.

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok I've look over the rules I literally do not know how we "communicate" your role to them.

[Inziladun]

The way I understand it, and no doubt Lommy can correct me if I'm mistaken, is that by empowering someone in the 'Prey' list they'll know I was Prey.

[Morsul the Dark]

So we empower one of those top people and that "reveals" your good?

If that's the case why not just choose one of them we believe is innocent and vote?

I'm in favor of Brinn

X'ed

[Inziladun]

I wouldn't want steve, Boro, or Lottie, but I could go for any of the rest.

Lommy may not be around for another few hours due to the time difference.

[Inziladun]

Still no Lommy? :eek:

Well, it looks like the Living are still talking about what they want from us. The latest (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=707745&postcount=344) is modified to be based on my revealed alignment.
Going by that, I would say either Brinn or Eomer for us toDay. Of course, they may change their minds. ;)

I think Kuru prefers us to not wait til the last minute, so hopefully we can get it ironed out in the next few hours.

[Kuruharan]

I think Kuru prefers us to not wait til the last minute, so hopefully we can get it ironed out in the next few hours.

It does make keeping tabs on last minute crazy easier if I only have one place of last minute crazy...

[Inziladun]

It does make keeping tabs on last minute crazy easier if I only have one place of last minute crazy...

Understood.

Well, they're still tinkering (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=707778&postcount=370) with the empowerment/communication question, but it looks like our best bet will be Brinn or Eomer. At least those are the two I'm most comfortable with.

[Morsul the Dark]

So let's take the plunge

++Brinn

[Inziladun]

I find it amusing that Nog wants to imagine (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=707804&postcount=394) what our typical Day is like here. :p

Well, maybe Lommy is busy, or doesn't realize she can post here now? I'm tempted to go ahead and put in for Brinn now, but I'd like to wait just a bit longer to see if anything else develops.

[Kuruharan]

Unfortunately, the development I have for you is that Pervinca Took has withdrawn from the game.

She was an Ordo.

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

[Inziladun]

Ah, pity. I was afraid she felt in over her head.

[Inziladun]

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=707817&postcount=404) is priceless. :D

All by myself in the Land of the Demised. At least YouTube still works. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Ha interesting

[Inziladun]

Ok, might as well go ahead with this:

++Brinn

and hope she doesn't make an unfortunate vote.

[Kuruharan]

Wow! A role reveal NIGHT result and empowerment to boot.

You are quite efficient in here.

[Inziladun]

Wow! A role reveal NIGHT result and empowerment to boot.

You are quite efficient in here.

*bows* Happy to be of more use dead than alive. :D

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow! A role reveal NIGHT result and empowerment to boot.

You are quite efficient in here.

I suppose one could say we get into the spirit of things?

[Inziladun]

I suppose one could say we get into the spirit of things?

*rimshot please*

[Morsul the Dark]

What? Is there a problem with my pun? Got a bone to pick? ;)

[Inziladun]

What? Is there a problem with my pun? Got a bone to pick? ;)

Not at all sir, though this is quite a grave matter.

Ok, might as well go ahead with this:

++Brinn

and hope she doesn't make an unfortunate vote.

Actually, I just hope she votes!

[Morsul the Dark]

True!

Grave matter Aaaahhh

[Kuruharan]

While one resident was absent the other two worked like a well-oiled machine.

They worked so efficiently that they ran out of things to do and turned their machine-like ingenuity to churning out puns...

There was nothing else to do but wait for the arrival of a new friend.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH...*gasp for breath*...HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

Hooray! :-D

A new companion with whom to swap puns!

Living
Nerwen
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien
Loslote

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

[Inziladun]

Welcome, Dear Lottie!

I doubt very much your true colors will be hidden for long. :D

[Morsul the Dark]

++Lottie
Is this Staples? Because that was easy.

[Loslote]

Hi, everyone! Let's go ahead and reveal my role:

++Lottie

You have to remember - I make a terrible wolf. No EW in their right mind would pick me. But somehow no one ever seems to remember that. :p

[Inziladun]

You have to remember - I make a terrible wolf. No EW in their right mind would pick me. But somehow no one ever seems to remember that. :p

As my packmates know quite well. I still make good lynchbait though. ;)

++Lottie

[Morsul the Dark]

"Eye Roll Inducing Puns"
Mr. Mod Hmmmm???

Hmmm???!!
How dare you?

[Kuruharan]

Loslote is PREY.

[Inziladun]

Ahh. Bodes ill for the village, I think. Still, let's keep a stiff upper lip round here! ;)

[Thinlómien]

Hey peeps, sorry for missing yesterDay! I was off arranging/celebrating a bachelorette party and I thought I'd have a few moments to play too but I definitely didn't. I only learned I'm dead five minutes ago. :D:eek: But I'm almost home now so I'll catch up with everything sometime between that and going to sleep!

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok then.

Hmm.

[Inziladun]

Hey peeps, sorry for missing yesterDay! I was off arranging/celebrating a bachelorette party and I thought I'd have a few moments to play too but I definitely didn't. I only learned I'm dead five minutes ago. :D:eek: But I'm almost home now so I'll catch up with everything sometime between that and going to sleep!

Well, that's an excellent reason for being missing. ;) No drama. Glad you made it!

[Loslote]

Hey peeps, sorry for missing yesterDay! I was off arranging/celebrating a bachelorette party and I thought I'd have a few moments to play too but I definitely didn't. I only learned I'm dead five minutes ago. :D:eek: But I'm almost home now so I'll catch up with everything sometime between that and going to sleep!

Sometimes the Dead just gotta have a little wander around in Purgatory before they can make it to wherever this place is. Glad you found it. :)

[Thinlómien]

But first off it would be probably helpful to tell you that I was an ordo. So mwahaha at the evil team if they were trying to find something else. I'm quite interested in observing the game from this side, even if it means double the amount of reading...

Day 1

Awww Kuru keeping company to Morsul, that was very sweet.

And I totally called it on Morsul being an entertaining first dead person. :D

Night 2

Ugh I read the living thread first so it was quite suspenseful to see Brinniel was empowered indicating Zil was innocent, then come read this thread and be like NOW IS THAT TRUE OR NOT, so this was nice:

*drumroll*

Inziladun is PREY.Phew. Also glad that supposed slip wasn't a slip because it DID sound absolutely innocent. *shakes fist at Nerwen*

Ëonwë's Empowerment Plan™ (sounds like a self-help video series)oh my god

Day 3

Lommy. Welcome. This is our humble death plac.Aww, thank you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq4afhe5o3o).

Wow! A role reveal NIGHT result and empowerment to boot.

You are quite efficient in here.Yes! Very well done! Maybe the two of you should run this thread alone. :p

Night 4

Ummhhhh. Hi Lottie. You innocent? ...nice? This makes me feel better about Boro, or at least Day1 Boro. :rolleyes: I thought the options were basically Boro being an innocent who took Lottie's "I'd prefer not to die" comment as a gifted/GW hint and jumped to her defense OR the two of them being the wolf and the EW. That's why I was sorta all flipflop wait-and-see on them on Day2.

Sometimes the Dead just gotta have a little wander around in Purgatory before they can make it to wherever this place is. Glad you found it.Yeah, a bit weird that you made it here before me even though you died later!

It's kinda cozy that we're all innocent and benevolent here, but on the other hand it's a bit depressing...

[Thinlómien]

So any guesses who's the evil wizard? :smokin:

I'm thinking Nogrod, Lalaith or Nerwen. :confused::eek:

[Inziladun]

So any guesses who's the evil wizard? :smokin:

I'm thinking Nogrod, Lalaith or Nerwen. :confused::eek:

Nerwen!!

Actually, I'm thinking maybe someone low-key, like Lal indeed, or Shasta. If I were the EW, I'd let my wolves be the loud, aggressive minions while I hung in the background.

[Loslote]

So any guesses who's the evil wizard? :smokin:

I'm thinking Nogrod, Lalaith or Nerwen.

I mean, yep, those are the three I'm thinking. :rolleyes: The problem is, I'm guessing the GW is playing very similarly to the EW, so someone like Nerwen or Lalaith could very well look like either wizard. Maybe Eomer, as well, for EW - especially in earlier Days, I get the sense that he was hanging back a little to see which way things would go.

[Inziladun]

Whenever Nog's not coming after me, I find him suspicious. I could say the same for Legate, though.

[Kuruharan]

The machine-like progress of the residents continued apace.

Once they determined the nature of their newest resident, they mostly subsided to silence.

That is until the missing resident suddenly turned up.

Momentous things were afoot this NIGHT in the world of the Living.

But some routines continued unabated.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH...*gasp for breath*...HHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

A new, new friend! :-D :-D

This one has yet to hear our puns!

Living
Nerwen
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Nogrod
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien
Loslote (Prey)
Mithalwen

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

[Inziladun]

Well, welcome Mith! Drag up a coffin.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh dear, if you're a coffin grab a lazenge.

[Loslote]

Oh dear, if you're a coffin grab a lazenge.

Gotta be careful, don't want to catch your death of a cold!

[Inziladun]

Oh dear, if you're a coffin grab a lazenge.

Gotta be careful, don't want to catch your death of a cold!

Wah wah wahhhh... :D

[Inziladun]

Well, I don't know how they're going to want the Empowerment to go toDay. I guess they'll hash it out at some point to let us communicate about Lottie.

[Loslote]

Well, I don't know how they're going to want the Empowerment to go toDay. I guess they'll hash it out at some point to let us communicate about Lottie.

Presumably. My not being evil does actually give them something to work off of, so it's possible the wolves may try to decry the plan or switch it up or something. Something to look out for.

[Inziladun]

Presumably. My not being evil does actually give them something to work off of, so it's possible the wolves may try to decry the plan or switch it up or something. Something to look out for.

Should be interesting. Nog's been skeptical about it from the first. I was too, till I really thought about it though. Perhaps his panning it has more sinister motives.

[Mithalwen]

Waves at everyone including those I voted for vehemently. AWKS.
So..... I need. To read a bit. Actually I suspect Lalaith. Love herr dearly but she has a mind like a meat cleaver and isn't afraid to use it. And she was far to bothered about my lost post.

[Loslote]

Waves at everyone including those I voted for vehemently. AWKS.

I, for one, hold no grudges from this grave. Welcome! :smokin:

[Thinlómien]

*waves at Mith*

*frowns at the living thread*

Oh boy this does not look good. I'm getting pretty sure Lalaith is evil now, maybe even the evil wizard. I'm pretty sure her empower list has mostly evil people on the "empower if Lottie is prey" list, but there's not much we can do about it, is there? Was there a clarification about whether the village will know who was empowered or] not if that person doesn't vote?

I'm having a horrible idea that we have a trio of vocal-ish evil ladies - Lalaith, Nerwen and Brinniel - and our innocent vocal-ish gentleman trio Boro, Eönwë and Nogrod just can't get their act together. Welp. Less sure about the rest of the village.

It's probably starting to show that the evil team know each other and can cooperate and the good team not. I'm getting a little nervous here. But I guess I should just trust in the Good Wizard and the sharp minds of the innocent villagers...

[Mithalwen]

Frankly I think they deserve it. I wanted to murder the lot of them by the end of it. They weren't meant to emulate the Life of Brian clip. All sodding day bickering over the dead thread and Nogrod's Play for Today then with 10 minutes, to go they decide to turn on me because I was the nasty lady who kept pointing out they were wasting time with their "important" discussions. I am not , was not a submarine.. I suppose they can't all be evil but seemed like it. Then as Morsul pointed out Satansaloser only posts to say she can post..or to tell others off . I think Boro may be ok, Brin said something about me getting chopped because the ranger wouldn't have chosen me ..and is that a genuine guess or knowledge based on being wolf or ranger herself. Don't like options to show Lottie prey either. Oh well.

[Morsul the Dark]

So instead of voting to reveal a role why not vote to empower someone to hopefully get a wolf or even EW Exposed.

Revealing our innocence doesn't do any good if they're just knocking off ordos left and right.

[Thinlómien]

So instead of voting to reveal a role why not vote to empower someone to hopefully get a wolf or even EW Exposed.

Revealing our innocence doesn't do any good if they're just knocking off ordos left and right.Trouble is, we don't know who they are anymore than the living do. In the worst case we don't help getting the EW or a wolf lynched and we miscommunicate to them that Lottie was a predator and you can bet the evil team will use that misinformation to the last drop to get some unfortunate innocent lynched and to lull the village into a false sense of security, basically sidetracking the whole discussion at least for one more Day. Plus with the tie = no lynch rule the voting is already a hassle around the dl, if we try to coordinate to add to that hassle I'm afraid we're going to cause a mess. Not that we can't cause a mess either way...

Anyone else think the narration is pretty strange today?

Mithalwen was apparently taking the same route as the escapee; many powers swirling around them.

If there were 3 wolves among us then then there could be no wolf kill. EW would have to scry. GW might have sent Mith to the dead thread for her to come back tomorrow. Mith, are you an ordo?

[Thinlómien]

Aaaand now I think Lalaith is good and Eönwë is evil. I feel somewhat selfishly happy it's not really my problem anymore, and I can flip flop here as much as I want. :D

[Thinlómien]

Oh and btw a heads-up - I think I'll have to cast my empowerment vote about two hours before the deadline at the latest because I have work in the morning and I know I'm gonna stay up late regardless but hopefully not until 3 am (which is the dl in Finland). :eek:

[Inziladun]

Trouble is, we don't know who they are anymore than the living do. In the worst case we don't help getting the EW or a wolf lynched and we miscommunicate to them that Lottie was a predator and you can bet the evil team will use that misinformation to the last drop to get some unfortunate innocent lynched and to lull the village into a false sense of security

I think we're bound to go by the Living's agreed on format. By the current one (put forth by Lal):

Lottie prey
Nerwen
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005

Lottie predator
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Nogrod


None of the above
Eonwe
Brinniel

I would say our choice should be Boro or Sally. I'm less leery of them than the other two in their category.

However, that grouping by Lal is questionable, since it has people I really don't want to empower in the Lottie-Prey bunch.

[Morsul the Dark]

True. We don't necessarily know who's evil but let's be honest if the wolves are manipulating the "good evil reveal" lists they can easily put all the baddies up top as empowerment contenders. I'm not entirely sure why they haven't mentioned it(full disclosure I haven't read the living thread since yesterday.)

There are what? 5 of us here? Pervinca is gone that leaves ten with four baddies and one in reserve. I forget if Kuru confirmed that the EW number wise counts for innocent.

They're either at 7/3 or 6/4 getting a wolf and having one resurrected or added only gives them 6/3 or 5/4.

I'm just not sure a reveal will help them. I think it's safe to say we're all prey. I realize there's no guarantee of that.

[Mithalwen]

Yep. I am ordo. I mean I assume they wluld have told me if I were a visitor.

[Kuruharan]

So much chatting while I was asleep.

Was there a clarification about whether the village will know who was empowered or] not if that person doesn't vote?

There wasn't, but the empowered person is always called out whether they vote or not.

Yep. I am ordo. I mean I assume they wluld have told me if I were a visitor.

It depends on which Visitor you are. The Visitor Who Leaves comes immediately to the Dead Thread at the end of the NIGHT phase. But the odds are that there would be two people missing from the Living Thread the next DAY giving some indication as to what happened...unless there was a Ranger save.

The Visitor Who Dies isn't told anything until they are resurrected to the Living Thread.

I forget if Kuru confirmed that the EW number wise counts for innocent.

The Evil Wizard counts for the Evil Team.

[Morsul the Dark]

So yeah, They're at 6/4

So today is do or die. If they get a wolf and EW makes a new one and the night kill is successful that's actually.... that's game isn't it?

6/3 wolf lynched
5/4 wolf made
4/4 Night kill.

If I'm doing the math right pretty much the baddies have already won. Unless there's a ranger save.

[Mithalwen]

Oh no. Don't tell me I mighg have to go back? Oh noooo.. oh well I can tell them they are screwed less obliquely.

[Mithalwen]

If I were a visitor then it might indicate someone who knows me pretty well being the Good Wizard... which is encouraging. I need to have a look back with this in mind. Reminds me of this sketch.
https://youtu.be/nKzaHilb7Vc

I'm not a wizard, I am not the ranger, pretty sure I am not the Secretary of the Eriador Dragon, Balrog and other Winged Creature Preservation Society...

[Inziladun]

If I were a visitor then it might indicate someone who knows me pretty well being the Good Wizard... which is encouraging. I need to have a look back with this in mind. Reminds me of this sketch.
https://youtu.be/nKzaHilb7Vc

I'm not a wizard, I am not the ranger, pretty sure I am not the Secretary of the Eriador Dragon, Balrog and other Winged Creature Preservation Society...

Can't watch the video "in my country". At this point, the best a Visitor could do is confirm mine and Lottie's innocence anyway.

I'm still looking to see if they've updated their preference on our empowerment.

[Mithalwen]

Oh it is a couple of executives on a plane and one asks the other what he does and he says he hasn't a clue - he just flies around the world having meetings with other men who look like him so they try to work it out "I am not a baker or I'd have one of those hats, I am not prime minister, a chocolatier, a special needs class room assistant and I am fairly sure I am not secretary of the Scottish Country Dance Association." and so on. Funnier than that sounds. Armstrong and Miller "What do I do?"

[Loslote]

Looks like they swapped Steve and Nog, but didn't touch the Prey section, so our options haven't actually changed.

I'm getting worried about Legate and Nog as packmates. Nog worries me in general, but looking at Legate's attitude towards him, I could see him as a wolf laying down baseline suspicion, but then pulling out of the vote at the last minute to throw off the numbers...

I do think Eomer and Nerwen's analysis of the narration makes sense. It's been nice having you, Mith, if you do turn out to be the Visitor Who Leaves.

[Mithalwen]

Just in case Should we collate a list of things we would like to say to them? I assume the Visitor should not read the dead thread while they are revenant.

[Inziladun]

Just in case Should we collate a list of things we would like to say to them? I assume the Visitor should not read the dead thread while they are revenant.

I don't think they can read this thread after they return, til they expire permanently.

I can't think of anything useful I could tell them.

[Loslote]

Just in case Should we collate a list of things we would like to say to them? I assume the Visitor should not read the dead thread while they are revenant.

There's just not that much to tell them yet...Zil and I are innocent, we are assuming the Night kills are but haven't checked them, and we think a whole host of you living are shady. Not actually that helpful. :rolleyes:

What we really need is a good Weeeeezard's Dueeeeel. Knowing who the EW is would allow us to speculate on who they would pick as wolves. But Wizards will do what Wizards will do.

[Mithalwen]

Oh that I can manage... I was thinking we might want to tell them their mother was a hamster and their father smelt of elderberries... ;)
Anyway it might not happen. I think it is more fun here anyway. They are interested in the buzzing. Kuru did something with itching last time...

[Loslote]

Oh that I can manage... I was thinking we might want to tell them their mother was a hamster and their father smelt of elderberries... ;)

I mean, I am not opposed to this message!

[Mithalwen]

And that we don't want their stupid plan because we have already got one and it is vairy naice.

Basically we want them to build a large wooden badger AND give us a shrubbery. But it better be a nice one.
:Merisu:

[Morsul the Dark]

Fun fact. I have Jury Duty. And I'm doing WW while at Jury Duty. Very Meta.

[Loslote]

Basically we want them to build a large wooden badger AND give us a shrubbery. But it better be a nice one. :Merisu:

If it isn't a nice wooden badger why even build a wooden badger like do they not understand the point of Building A Wooden Badger. Those Living. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Fun fact. I have Jury Duty. And I'm doing WW while at Jury Duty. Very Meta.

Oh wow that's fitting :p

[Loslote]

Also I know we're not 100% on Nerwen, but since she's already voted for Nog, who I personally highly suspect, and is in the Lottie is Prey group, I would not be opposed to empowering her toDay.

[Morsul the Dark]

I think that's a good idea.

[Inziladun]

Also I know we're not 100% on Nerwen, but since she's already voted for Nog, who I personally highly suspect, and is in the Lottie is Prey group, I would not be opposed to empowering her toDay.

If we must. :rolleyes: ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Lol.

I think revealing the EW is the most important thing right now. And a ranger save

[Morsul the Dark]

A hunter taking out a baddie would work too I suppose because that doesn't necessarily change the numbers.

[Loslote]

Yeah I thought Nog's insisting that it wasn't as dire as Nerwen made it seem was a little suspicious. Of everyone, Nog should have realized that it could well be end game already.

[Mithalwen]

Thing is there are a lot of role in this game and they are actively chosen rather than randomly allocated and it is inconceivable that a player like Nerwen who is very cool under pressure and grasps strategy wouldn't be a wizard choice if she isn't a wizard, so I hope she is on our side. I rather hope an innocent Nogrod wouldn't have wasted so much time yesterday.

[Loslote]

Thing is there are a lot of role in this game and they are actively chosen rather than randomly allocated and it is inconceivable that a player like Nerwen who is very cool under pressure and grasps strategy wouldn't be a wizard choice if she isn't a wizard, so I hope she is on our side. I rather hope an innocent Nogrod wouldn't have wasted so much time yesterday.

And she hasn't attracted very much attention thus far. She could even be a possible Wizard, of either flavor. But if she was chosen by a wizard, I would believe her as a Gifted just as easily as I would believe her to be a wolf, so I'm not sure what to do with her.

It may also be the case that Nerwen was too tempting a target, and both Wizards left her alone because they both assumed the other would have gotten there first. But that's just speculation.

Another question that might be worth asking is, if Mith is a Visitor, who did the wolves try (and fail) to kill last Night? Either the Ranger and EW targeted the same person or that the EW hit upon the GW, in which case, we might be close to the EW knowing who the GW is. I don't know that the EW would call the Duel yet, though, not without losing a wolf first (and therefore being able to use their final wolf pick).

[Loslote]

Wow, slow day. :o

[Inziladun]

Wow, slow day. :o

Really. Have the innocents lost the will to live? :eek:

[Loslote]

Really. Have the innocents lost the will to live? :eek:

The Dead are more lively by far. The silence is...disheartening,

[Inziladun]

The Dead are more lively by far. The silence is...disheartening,

The Living are dying to come here. ;)

[Mithalwen]

Just reading through and have horrible thought that Boro is a wolf. IIRC he tends to give a clue to his role in his opening post and he says he feels denned up. And I am not sure that the deathwish is a contraindicator. He likes doing his own thing,

[Loslote]

Just reading through and have horrible thought that Boro is a wolf. IIRC he tends to give a clue to his role in his opening post and he says he feels denned up. And I am not sure that the deathwish is a contraindicator. He likes doing his own thing,

In that case, his deathwish Day One could point to Nerwen as EW, for the same reason it pointed to me. And he would have then backed off later because he'd had a chance to build trails to his packmates and the EW, so there's now a risk associated with his role being revealed. I'm worried about that, too.

[Inziladun]

In that case, his deathwish Day One could point to Nerwen as EW, for the same reason it pointed to me. And he would have then backed off later because he'd had a chance to build trails to his packmates and the EW, so there's now a risk associated with his role being revealed. I'm worried about that, too.

If that's the case, and if they don't alter the Empowerment plan further toDay, how does that affect out vote?

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm still ok with empowering Nerwen.

Frankly I'm crunching the numbers and I only see getting the EW Revealed as the only strategy because it throws the numbers off.

[Mithalwen]

Is Shasta an alternative? Has he posted.. I know he has been ill. I recall his judgement saved the day the last time I played. But there could be a lot of wolves active now

[Loslote]

If that's the case, and if they don't alter the Empowerment plan further toDay, how does that affect out vote?

Is Shasta an alternative? Has he posted.. I know he has been ill. I recall his judgement saved the day the last time I played. But there could be a lot of wolves active now

Shasta said he might vote for Legate. I'm certainly wary of Legate, but I think I'm more suspicious of Nog. I don't know that anyone has talked much about Nerwen or Boro toDay as a voting option, so we may have to stick to the options in front of us, that is, Nog and maybe Legate.

[Loslote]

I'm still ok with empowering Nerwen.

Frankly I'm crunching the numbers and I only see getting the EW Revealed as the only strategy because it throws the numbers off.

I'm really crossing my fingers that the GW can scry the EW and call the Duel...I'd prefer getting rid of the EW to getting another Visitor, if it comes down to that, and I agree that the EW needs to go asap.

[Loslote]

1. Why,why, WHY did Nogs throw in what looked like a 'wasted' vote for Eonwe after deadline when his own neck was on the line along with that of Lottie and Boro?
2. Is there any possible way Eonwe and Nogs could be on the same side?
3. Why do both Nerwen and Eomer trust Eonwe' innocence so much?
4. Why are Sally and Shasta so damn quiet?
5. Wouldn't Brinn have been a great candidate for wolf conversion?
6. Am I being real airhead by vaguely trusting Nerwen and Legate to be innocents?
7. How has Boro survived this long?

Bet you the pack is Lal, Nerwen, Legate and Nog. Here Lal is trying to suggest that Nerwen and Legate are, and probably should be, presumed innocent, and also trying to tie together Nog and Steve, probably assuming that Nog is lost and hoping to get people thinking that Steve is the packmate rather than herself, Nerwen, and Legate - who pulled back at the last minute yesterDay and saved him.

[Mithalwen]

Shasta said he might vote for Legate. I'm certainly wary of Legate, but I think I'm more suspicious of Nog. I don't know that anyone has talked much about Nerwen or Boro toDay as a voting option, so we may have to stick to the options in front of us, that is, Nog and maybe Legate.

Oh I meant as empowerment vote rather than Nerwen to indicate your status.

[Loslote]

Bet you the pack is Lal, Nerwen, Legate and Nog. Here Lal is trying to suggest that Nerwen and Legate are, and probably should be, presumed innocent, and also trying to tie together Nog and Steve, probably assuming that Nog is lost and hoping to get people thinking that Steve is the packmate rather than herself, Nerwen, and Legate - who pulled back at the last minute yesterDay and saved him.

Further speculation, I think Lal was the most recent convert. I bet Nerwen is EW, Legate was first pick, and Nog was second. If I'm right, I expect my grave to be *littered* in flowers, people.

[Thinlómien]

Tbh Nogrod getting the two first votes like that makes him seem more innocent and those who voted him look guilty. It's like the evil team is setting him up for an easy lynch and I don't like it. If we have a choice, I'd rather not empower a vote for him.

As for Mith potentially being a visitor - which would be nice - well, the thing I personally hope the living would do would be looking at the whole picture. Thinking of possible teams. Thinking who can realistically be the evil wizard. There are not that many options that are very likely.

And that we should probably stop this empowerment communication soon because it's getting dangerous and it doesn't help us so much.


Edit: xed with the last four posts

[Mithalwen]

Bungs my Boro theory. But Lal is deffo something IMO she was fishing for my vote but I didn't think it appropriate to post it in the circumstances.

[Loslote]

Tbh Nogrod getting the two first votes like that makes him seem more innocent and those who voted him look guilty. It's like the evil team is setting him up for an easy lynch and I don't like it. If we have a choice, I'd rather not empower a vote for him.

I'm guessing the wolves have written him off as too suspicious to save, and are trying to get him lynched so that they can pick a fourth wolf toNight before the Weeeeeezard's Dueeeeel.

[Morsul the Dark]

Nog (https://youtu.be/WIRL0SqOVEs) could be a bandwagon vote of wolves OR could be two innocents voting Nog and when it backfires the wolves can point at the innocents. If they last that long.

[Inziladun]

And that we should probably stop this empowerment communication soon because it's getting dangerous and it doesn't help us so much.

Well, it doesn't help us in the slightest. :p But how much does it help the living?

I guess we do need to go ahead and let them know Lottie's innocent.
So, would that lead us to Shasta or Sally?

x/d with last three

[Loslote]

Well, it doesn't help us in the slightest. :p But how much does it help the living?

I guess we do need to go ahead and let them know Lottie's innocent.
So, would that lead us to Shasta or Sally?

x/d with last three

We could also empower Boro's vote for Legate. I'm feeling better about Boro, especially with his vote post, and much much worse about Legate, so I'd be down for that.

[Inziladun]

We could also empower Boro's vote for Legate. I'm feeling better about Boro, especially with his vote post, and much much worse about Legate, so I'd be down for that.

Whatever the consensus. Boro's definitely being weird, but it's hard to tell if it's an evil-weird.

[Loslote]

I'm back! And very suspicious of everyone.

Hard same

[Mithalwen]

Sally doesn't post til last minute and given she took and lost her dare with Kuru doesn't take voting seriously. I would prefer not to empower her on the whole.

[Loslote]

Sally doesn't post til last minute and given she took and lost her dare with Kuru doesn't take voting seriously. I would prefer not to empower her on the whole.

I agree. So I think the question is, who do we *want* to see lynched? If Nog, then we have to chose Nerwen. If Legate, we can choose between Shasta and Boro. I'm happy either way, but I might be leaning towards Shasta or Boro, if only because I don't want to send the message that we trust Nerwen at all.

[Inziladun]

I agree. So I think the question is, who do we *want* to see lynched? If Nog, then we have to chose Nerwen. If Legate, we can choose between Shasta and Boro. I'm happy either way, but I might be leaning towards Shasta or Boro, if only because I don't want to send the message that we trust Nerwen at all.

Concur.

[Inziladun]

From Shasta's latest, he might be following Boro anyway with his vote.

[Mithalwen]

For the record my vote last night was for Legate. I was spoilt for choice but I always feel it wolfy if people say stuff that isn't really true about you. I wasn't a submarine and to be bracketed with absentees. I was so hacked off with all the filibustering and then all those who had discussed the "plan" decided I was iffy....

But that is moot..

[Loslote]

I'm happy with empowering Shasta, assuming he actually does vote for Legate. I'm heading home from work, but I'll be back before (and at) DL, so I'm going to hold off on voting for him until I get back, in case he decides to switch it up while I'm away.

[Inziladun]

I'm happy with empowering Shasta, assuming he actually does vote for Legate. I'm heading home from work, but I'll be back before (and at) DL, so I'm going to hold off on voting for him until I get back, in case he decides to switch it up while I'm away.

To make it easy on Kuru, we've been trying to not make our deal mesh too closely with the Living action. By 30 minutes or so til DL should be ok.

[Morsul the Dark]

++Shasta

I'm too tired and barely staying awake. Y'all make some good points.

[Thinlómien]

Still in the middle of thinking about the empowerment vote (and yes I wanted to be off to bed half an hour ago but as Nog says we were watching Game of Thrones at his place and we kinda got stuck there :D) and in the middle of reading the game thread, but feeling better about Lalaith and especially Eomer. Judging just by who the EW "should" have picked I'd look really long and hard at Lalaith, Nerwen and Brinniel, maybe Eomer too. Then again, the GW also gets to pick people...

[Thinlómien]

Also Nogrod seems more innocent to me now (and Brinniel less so).

I don't really suspect either Nogrod or Legate so it kinda sucks those are probably our empowerment options...

[Inziladun]

Hmm. Lal's last actually makes me more wary of her.

I've been putting the pieces of the jigsaw together in different ways and here's a quartet of evil that might fit together: Eomer, Eonwe, Shasta and Boro.

When I make Nogs a baddie, fewer pieces fit.

What is depressing is that even if Lottie was evil the EW could have made another wolf last night instead.
I feel very worried about our prospects, innocents.


That last bit: totally unnecessary.

x/d with Lommy

[Inziladun]

And I've been feeling rather good about Brinn.

Yet another indication that we Demised are nearly as clueless as the Living. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

I don't see a problem with empowering Sally. Mathematically we're as likely to accidentally cause a tie regardless of when the empowered person votes, and I would consider it a bonus to empower someone who might not vote at all, sice it still communicates our message but doesn't increase the risk of causing a tie as much.

Obviously someone who actually suspects Nogrod or Legate might see the situation differently. I'm not sure they're innocent or anything but I'm currenty much more worried about Nerwen and Brinniel, and possibly Lalaith.

But yeah maybe empower Shasta (or Boro) rather than Nerwen. We don't trust her and Legate is a bit fishier in my book than Nogrod.

I have hard time seeing the innocents winnng this game. :( I guess that it's good that I'm dead so I don't have to feel guilty about having such a loser attitude. :D

Important question: Kuru, if the dead players' empowerment vote ends in a tie, does no one get empowered or what happens?


edit: xed with Zil

[Morsul the Dark]

A tie would actually be sort of beneficial if the alternative is an innocent....

[Kuruharan]

Nothing happens in case of a tie in either thread.

[Inziladun]

I don't see a problem with empowering Sally. Mathematically we're as likely to accidentally cause a tie regardless of when the empowered person votes, and I would consider it a bonus to empower someone who might not vote at all, sice it still communicates our message but doesn't increase the risk of causing a tie as much.

Personally, I don't at all mind empowering one who isn't likely to affect the lynch, if only because I feel rather in the dark about the pack.

Obviously someone who actually suspects Nogrod or Legate might see the situation differently. I'm not sure they're innocent or anything but I'm currenty much more worried about Nerwen and Brinniel, and possibly Lalaith.

Brinn just hasn't been pinging my radar, but there's no reason whatever that I'm not completely fooled. :rolleyes:

But yeah maybe empower Shasta (or Boro) rather than Nerwen. We don't trust her and Legate is a bit fishier in my book than Nogrod.

I'm fine with Sally, Shasta, or Boro.

I have hard time seeing the innocents winnng this game. :( I guess that it's good that I'm dead so I don't have to feel guilty about having such a loser attitude. :D

Yeah, over here the pressure's off, but it's still frustrating not to have gotten a baddie (unless by some sorcery you, Mith, or Morsul are).

x/d with Morsul and Kuru

[Thinlómien]

Nothing happens in case of a tie in either thread. Thanks. Let's try to avoid a tie then, okay?

And btw, if Mith you are a visitor, maybe don't tell the living the rule clarifications we've got here? It's kinda beneficial if he evil team doesn't for example know that the empowerment is announced regardless of whether the person votes or not. (So they might currently work on false assumptions and place a person unlikely to vote in a communication category that suits them, thinking we won't dare pick that person for empowerment in case s/he doesn't vote.) It might be a stretch but I feel like that piece of information would be more valuable to the evil team than the good team.

++Sally

for empowerment. My second choice would be Shasta, then Boro, then Nerwen. But I trust you guys not to make this a tie either way. Good night!

Ps. My participation tomorrow might be quite limited, but I'll do my best.

[Inziladun]

Meh, I don't want to wait til the last minute, but I'm afraid that's what the Living are going to do.

I don't particularly trust Sally or Shasta, but I don't really distrust them either.

[Loslote]

Meh, I don't want to wait til the last minute, but I'm afraid that's what the Living are going to do.

I don't particularly trust Sally or Shasta, but I don't really distrust them either.

I'm at least comfortable empowering either of them.

I really wish someone were voting for Nerwen or Lalaith...I'm just about convinced the two of them are evil. I think at least one of Nog and Legate are as well, maybe both, with someone like Brinn or Boro potentially taking up the last spot. But this is not going super well for us, no matter how you look at it. :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

I really wish someone were voting for Nerwen or Lalaith...I'm just about convinced the two of them are evil. I think at least one of Nog and Legate are as well, maybe both, with someone like Brinn or Boro potentially taking up the last spot.

Well, Shasta was saying Legate was dodgy, and that he agreed with Boro, who voted for him.

[Loslote]

Well, Shasta was saying Legate was dodgy, and that he agreed with Boro, who voted for him.

Any objections to my voting Shasta for empowerment? If I do, it'll be two for him, and you and Mith would have to both vote for Sally to avoid a tie, so I wanted to double check before hand.

[Inziladun]

Any objections to my voting Shasta for empowerment? If I do, it'll be two for him, and you and Mith would have to both vote for Sally to avoid a tie, so I wanted to double check before hand.

I can go with Shasta. I can't stick around til DL anyway.

[Loslote]

I can go with Shasta. I can't stick around til DL anyway.

Cool with me.

++Shasta

[Inziladun]

++Shasta

[Mithalwen]

++Shasta

Best bet on whole

[Loslote]

So Nog is going after Nerwen, as far as I can remember, out of nowhere, as he is on the chopping block...trying to distance her now that he's at risk of being revealed?

[Inziladun]

So Nog is going after Nerwen, as far as I can remember, out of nowhere, as he is on the chopping block...trying to distance her now that he's at risk of being revealed?

If Nerwen does turn out to be evil, I want flowers on my grave too. ;)

[Loslote]

If Nerwen does turn out to be evil, I want flowers on my grave too. ;)

Flowers all around, we dead are great at this.

[Loslote]

Also, I hope they remember that we're going to empower someone, or else we could see an accidental tie :eek:

[Kuruharan]

Deadline has come...for what that's worth here...

[Morsul the Dark]

Ah so our empowering didn't do anything but that's ok if they're wrong they can't blame us. :)

[Kuruharan]

The residents were very busy indeed today!

They spent much time pondering questions regarding the nature of their existence and were keenly interested in the doings of the world of the Living. So much so as there were no puns this DAY.

They summoned their powers to make an impact!!!!

And...well, maybe they did in a way.

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH...."I've never been so happy"....HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

And at long last Boromir88 achieved the state of which he had so long dreamed and so long wished to attain!

Would it do anybody any good, though? That was the question.

Living
Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Nogrod
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien
Loslote (Prey)
Mithalwen
Boromir88

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

[Loslote]

Welcome to the Dead Thread! Is it everything you ever dreamed of?

[Inziladun]

Shall we?

++Boro

[Loslote]

Shall we?

++Boro

I believe we shall!

++Boro

[Boromir88]

*breathes sigh of relief*

Finally, at long last. Thought I'd never get a chance to get here in one of these style games. I kind of still wish I was Morsul and could enjoy a day all to myself here. Oh well, can't complain now.

Cheers.

++Boro

Nothing to hide for me, besides the tornado of mathoms and keepsakes, my closet is clean...I'm highly suspicious of Legate and Lalaith.

I have a theory on Eomer too, but there's time now at last to get into all that...I want to see what the talk of the town has been and catch up on what the dead have been up to.

[Loslote]

Nothing to hide for me, besides the tornado of mathoms and keepsakes, my closet is clean...I'm highly suspicious of Legate and Lalaith.

Ooh, you're already fitting right in!

[Morsul the Dark]

++Boro

[Morsul the Dark]

*breathes sigh of relief*

Finally, at long last. Thought I'd never get a chance to get here in one of these style games. I kind of still wish I was Morsul and could enjoy a day all to myself here.

It was quite entertaining.

[Morsul the Dark]

By the by Boro hope for a ranger save because the count is now 5/4 so a night kill wins them the game but sure... enjoy the night with us ;)

[Boromir88]

Anyway, I have a fun idea for a game.

Boro has wanted to be in the Dead Thread in a Dead Thread game since they were invented and he hasn't made it yet.

We should place bets on whether he makes it this game or not.

I almost think he will not this time either.

Can't say.

I'd say odds are 3-1 he makes it in

*dies all over again* Good stuff.

I just hope now it's not at a time that the GW and allies can't recover.

[Morsul the Dark]

Let's all party (https://youtu.be/ImAlx0amAIc)

[Inziladun]

While we're at it, let's have a funeral (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xtS83sKGg).

"Tea can do many things. But it can't bring back the dead". ;)

[Boromir88]

By the by Boro hope for a ranger save because the count is now 5/4 so a night kill wins them the game but sure... enjoy the night with us ;)

That's assuming that the EW has successfully created a wolf each time...which isn't impossible, but really bleak if true.

[Inziladun]

That's assuming that the EW has successfully created a wolf each time...which isn't impossible, but really bleak if true.

Honestly, I'm not holding out much hope for the Forces of Good, but you never know.

[Loslote]

Well, if toNight might be our last Night of death, let's make it a Night to remember!

[Inziladun]

Well, if toNight might be our last Night of death, let's make it a Night to remember!

Hear, hear! Drinks all around. Spectral Schnapps, served in the Official Decomposition Decanter.

[Loslote]

Hear, hear! Drinks all around. Spectral Schnapps, served in the Official Decomposition Decanter.

Ooh! Served with some of the best bar snacks in the Realm of the Dead, of course: Chocolate-Covered Ghosties, Sea Salt Skeleton Cookies, and Peanuts (the spookiest of the lot - if you're allergic, anyway).

[Boromir88]

Well, if toNight might be our last Night of death, let's make it a Night to remember!

Aye, even if it turns out to just be one night of Death, I shall try to make the most of it...

You all think it's that dire? I mean it's definitely not good, but who has the upperhand can change quickly in these sorts of games when a lot of things potentially happen at night.

I kind of think Eomer is the GW and was bussing me, because either Mith or myself is a visitor. He had been going back and forth about me, and at the end put Nog and Legate in a corner to hold them to their votes. I guess we just hope it's not too little, too late.

[Kuruharan]

The Deadline for the start of the next day will be two hours earlier at 6:00 PM US Eastern.

I have a work meeting tomorrow evening and will not be able to post at the usual time.

I'm quite sorry about this, but there is no help for it.

[Loslote]

Aye, even if it turns out to just be one night of Death, I shall try to make the most of it...

You all think it's that dire? I mean it's definitely not good, but who has the upperhand can change quickly in these sorts of games when a lot of things potentially happen at night.

I kind of think Eomer is the GW and was bussing me, because either Mith or myself is a visitor. He had been going back and forth about me, and at the end put Nog and Legate in a corner to hold them to their votes. I guess we just hope it's not too little, too late.

There are a few things that could maybe save us - a Ranger save, or a Visitor coming back, or if the EW had at some point failed to or chosen not to turn a new wolf. And it's true that it's not unlikely that at least one of those things happened or will happen. But it's also not impossible that not a single one of them did, and that we will wake up toMorrow morning to game over. And if you're facing down even a chance at game over, might as well use it as an excuse for a party, am I right?

[Morsul the Dark]

I believe the dead prefer Cashooooooos

...

I'm gonna go build a house. Someone pass the Walnuts. Hahahaha

Sorry the next round is on me. Boos make everything better.

[Loslote]

I believe the dead prefer Cashooooooos

...

I'm gonna go build a house. Someone pass the Walnuts. Hahahaha

Sorry the next round is on me. Boos make everything better.

Te-kill-a shots anyone? Or maybe this is more of a Grim and Tonic kind of crowd.

[Morsul the Dark]

Eeeehhhhhh

All the puns

[Thinlómien]

++Boro

I hope he's lying and he's a wolf because otherwise it reeaallly sucks for the good guys.

Btw feeling a lot less good about Legate atm. In my experience it's always the wolves who vote the same person more than two days in a row. Some probably because they have limited imagination or want to be consistent, some probably because it leaves less tracks when they die.

I kinda think Eomer and Nogrod are good and Nerwen and Brinniel are eeevil, I keep flip-flopping on Lalaith and Eönwë. And frankly Shasta and Sally could be anything.

[Mithalwen]

I suppose I should knuckledown and make good notes in case I am going back. Tiresome not knowing *sigh* I don't feel I can tell much but given, if it happens, we won't need their byzantine communication system to let them know about Boro is there anything else you would wish to communicate with your empowering?

[Mithalwen]

++Boro

The sooner we know the better

[Thinlómien]

I suppose I should knuckledown and make good notes in case I am going back. Tiresome not knowing *sigh* I don't feel I can tell much but given, if it happens, we won't need their byzantine communication system to let them know about Boro is there anything else you would wish to communicate with your empowering?Can you tell them to stop focusing on the gentlemen and take a good look at the ladies for a change? I refuse to believe all of Nerwen, Lalaith and Brinniel are innocent yet nobody is really suspecting them much.

I guess we won't want to communicate anything special by our empowering since we don't need to tell the living about Boro. We'll vote to help lynch a baddie with our collective wisdom?

And maybe you should tell Nogrod he's wrong and I get lynched very seldom, basically never as an innocent and even as a wolf it's like 50-50 which is decent. :p


edit: xed with Mith's vote

[Kuruharan]

*drumroll*

Boro is PREY.

[Morsul the Dark]

That's exciting.

So baddies win I believe.

[Morsul the Dark]

I suppose barring a ranger save or not having created all three wolves yet.

[Mithalwen]

Blimey. So the EW must be really unlucky with the picks. Maybe a the buzzing is a foiled pick. Or it would be over?

[Morsul the Dark]

I'll be honest... Kuru is the first mod I've seen give any clues or hints in narration so I really didn't read them too throughly:..

[Mithalwen]

Yeah. I am glad Boro was just being Boro. He hadn't pinged on my radar till I noticed the denned up comment. If I am going back. it will be interesting seeing the back pedalling when they find out.

[Kuruharan]

I'll be honest... Kuru is the first mod I've seen give any clues or hints in narration so I really didn't read them too throughly:..

You've not read some of the other Mods narrations carefully enough then.

I'm actually quite sparing with clues compared to some people.

I can't remember who ran it, but there was a game years ago where the Mod put hints to practically everything in the game (including the roles of players) in the narrations. I didn't care for that myself, but it was said in the rules that it would be done. If I recall, that was the reason I didn't sign up for that game.

[Boromir88]

Apologies trying to type from my phone...

Glad you caught the denned up comment Mith :D...I really was trying to go early on because I always just play more comfortably. There was also a day in there when I knew I'd be no help at all since I wouldn't be around. But then when finding out Inzil was an innocent, and I was personally more confident in Inzil's guilt than Lottie's...I tried to be a little more sensible so not to ruin it for the village. Alas I think the wolves used their advantage in numbers to lynch me while the village split between Nog and Legate

[Mithalwen]

Apologies trying to type from my phone...

Glad you caught the denned up comment Mith :D...I really was trying to go early on because I always just play more comfortably. There was also a day in there when I knew I'd be no help at all since I wouldn't be around. But then when finding out Inzil was an innocent, and I was personally more confident in Inzil's guilt than Lottie's...I tried to be a little more sensible so not to ruin it for the village. Alas I think the wolves used their advantage in numbers to lynch me while the village split between Nog and Legate

OK so any thoughts in case I am shoved back? We have an earlier deadline today. So I need to be ready - I am going to look a twerp if I am not the visitor but I would remind it wasn't my idea I was...

[Inziladun]

OK so any thoughts in case I am shoved back? We have an earlier deadline today. So I need to be ready - I am going to look a twerp if I am not the visitor but I would remind it wasn't my idea I was...

I really don't know what more you could give the Living, except for confirming mine, Lottie's and Boro's innocence. We're as much in the dark otherwise as they are.

At least now we're safe from being killed. :p

[Mithalwen]

I have made notes now. Should look through living too...

[Kuruharan]

Was it everything Boro ever dreamed of?

Well, hard to say.

This version of the hereafter didn't really compare to the previous for zaniness.

Still...this one had a certain ruthless efficiency that was hard to top!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH...*gasps for breath*...HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*plop*

Another new friend! :-D

And guess what? The game is still going!

Living
Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun (Prey)
Thinlómien
Loslote (Prey)
Mithalwen
Boromir88 (Prey)
Nogrod

Escaped
Pervinca Took (Ordo)

~~~~

Alas, Mith is not a Visitor. It didn't occur to me that what I said in the previous narration lent itself to that interpretation until people keyed in on it. Then I didn't think I could correct it until it became confirmed. :o

[Boromir88]

That's interesting...well I guess the village isn't quite dead yet.

Welcome to the dead Nog. I must say, I'm a bit curious as to why you were killed?

[Loslote]

Well, what do you know! Still going strong after all. The GW must be doing something right.

Welcome to the Dead, Nog. Feeling any wiser? :p

I am surprised Nog was the Night kill...even if he wasn't a wolf, he was still a good lynch target, and I would've expected the wolves to want to keep him around as a distraction if nothing else. Makes me wonder if the EW sacrificed him in order to make their final wolf selection, seeing that he was a likely lynch target anyway... but that would be risky, given that the chances that a given wolf pick fails are getting higher and higher. Probably we can assume innocence safely.

[Loslote]

Well, it looks like Nogs was innocent after all, so I'm glad we didn't lynch him.
I've been thinking about what the Dead are trying to tell us (apart from the rather depressing fact that Lottie was innocent, as well). They seem to like the votes for Eonwe and Legate.
Also, if we are all still here - are we innocents still in a small majority? (5 versus 3, in that case?)
Or can the game not end until there is a Duel?

For Eonwe? Where is she getting that?:eek:

[Mithalwen]

All dressed up and nowhere to go. Nogrod could be visitor and another save or joint choice. And if visitor he could be evil if I understand rightly

[Boromir88]

All dressed up and nowhere to go. Nogrod could be visitor and another save or joint choice. And if visitor he could be evil if I understand rightly

Yes, that was my understanding as well...which is quite scary if Nog is both.

[Inziladun]

Welcome, Sir Nogrod!

I agree I don't understand the logic of their going after him, unless he was a suspected Gifted. Seems he could have indeed been a solid lynch candidate toDay.

[Morsul the Dark]

Hmm. I'm surprised that wasn't game...

[Boromir88]

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.

Also, I'm going to be very occupied from about Noon through the rest of the night tomorrow. So, I may not vote to empower anyone.

[Loslote]

"Who put that there?"

"Can you believe this?!" came a voice.

"Who put that there?" didn't turn out to mean that the wolves failed to kill Mith, since she didn't end up being a Visitor, so I'm guessing it was a failed wolf conversion. I would guess that "Can you believe this?!" is probably the same thing - a failed wolf conversion - rather than a failed kill. If I were the GW, I'd be focusing on scrying the EW, rather than making Visitors.

[Loslote]

"Who put that there?" didn't turn out to mean that the wolves failed to kill Mith, since she didn't end up being a Visitor, so I'm guessing it was a failed wolf conversion. I would guess that "Can you believe this?!" is probably the same thing - a failed wolf conversion - rather than a failed kill. If I were the GW, I'd be focusing on scrying the EW, rather than making Visitors.

Also, if the wolf conversion failed, I would expect the wolves to try to kill whoever they failed to turn the next Night. But I don't know that I would have expected them to try to turn Nog when Nog was already in danger two Nights ago, so maybe they think the person they tried to convert is the GW (and therefore unkillable)?

[Inziladun]

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.

They really don't seem to be doing anything with what we're providing, other than giving perfunctory notice.

If we do decide to let the 'system' go hang, and empower whom we like, we just need to be sure we're all on the same page on whom the honor shall rest.

[Loslote]

They must have thought he was a gifted/ the GW. It certainly isn't a no-trace kill, and it doesn't make sense as a frame.

...And now you know why I kept getting cold feet about voting him, even though he was really acting awfully suspicious. I've seen Nog get obsessed like that as an innocent (and as a wolf).

And now we know? So you knew he was innocent all along?

Nerwen is evil. I am so beyond convinced.