Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[A Little Green]

Shasta my love - hope reading through our live commentary of yelling at people to start listening to you will be some comfort. :rolleyes:

I take back anything nice I said about anyone Living in this game!

...though I'm struggling to think what that might have been. :pI feel you.

So it's basically game over unless the Ranger makes a save and buys them one more Day? Otherwise it'll be 4/3 toMorrow, so unless the wolves accidentally Night-kill the Cobbler they can decide overNight who to lynch, pile on votes first thing toMorrow, Cobbler jumps on and we're done?

[Huinesoron]

I wish we could protest that Nilp's vote came in on the 10:00 GMT minute itself and is therefore disqualified, but that is a slender legalism indeed.

Sadly I think' on the dot counts' is in the main WW rules somewhere.

Hey. I am just stating some general principles here.

But I guess we can agree on that nobody of us expected anything like this at all. Never. Anywhere.

Never in a million yeni.

"Through victory [your] chains are broken."

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Welcome, Shasta.

Make yourself comfortable... and for you, but also for all you others (because I am going to sleep, myself), something to enjoy during my absence, and most of all, to wrap up toDay - Today. Very fitting, I daresay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edwnDIstQjo

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I am rather more unreasonably angry than I have any right to be at what is, at the end of the day, a game.

[Blind Guardian]

Boro Shasta is still counted amongst the living on the living thread.

[Formendacil]

Maybe we can hope that, somehow, the Cobbler (being a Villager, really) is just as obtuse as the Ordos?


Of course, that'd likely be balanced out by some unscheduled Cobbleresque play from an ACTUAL Ordo...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Never in a million yeni.

"Through victory [your] chains are broken."

hS

We shall see! Let's not be hasty :)

[Nogrod]

So it's basically game over unless the Ranger makes a save and buys them one more Day? Otherwise it'll be 4/3 toMorrow, so unless the wolves accidentally Night-kill the Cobbler they can decide overNight who to lynch, pile on votes first thing toMorrow, Cobbler jumps on and we're done?
Basically it's like that.

And we were so close to have turned the tables!


On a totally different issue: kudos to Boro for the narration! Loved it.

[Loslote]

Well, if I'm right and Brinn is the Ranger, she has one more shot to redeem herself.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Bah. I keep deleting what I type. But honestly! Throwing away your vote when it's 5-4... I can't even.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am rather more unreasonably angry than I have any right to be at what is, at the end of the day, a game.

If you look back into this thread, I think you will find a way to relate in this way to those who came before you :) Chill out, listen to a song, get it off your chest... that's what Dead Thread is for.

(Apparently. Since even when they vote, it does not change the outcome :p Sorry, dear Dead friends, I had to.)

[Formendacil]

Bah. I keep deleting what I type. But honestly! Throwing away your vote when it's 5-4... I can't even.

The worst of it--and this thread has written evidence--is that your team over here considered a protest vote to be a real victory!

[Loslote]

TIG CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood. Tagline: The Living are all TERRIBLE. ;)

[Nogrod]

If we're right and Rikae is the Cobbler, the wolves most certainly have recognized their partner in crime and leave her in peace toNight.

So it's up to Brinn (or whoever the ranger is) to save the game.

Just thinking aloud... Could it be Pitch after all? It might explain his early jumpiness - and give a reason to his reasonableness of late?

[Huinesoron]

On a totally different issue: kudos to Boro for the narration! Loved it.

Agreed! It's been really fun to read. :)

hS

[A Little Green]

I am rather more unreasonably angry than I have any right to be at what is, at the end of the day, a game. *hugs* If it helps, I said somewhere earlier that there was a good reason I picked you for my first dream. You were incredible and it's their own fault they didn't listen to you. <3 (And seriously, there's several pages here of us cheering you on and yelling at pretty much everyone else.)

[Loslote]

Just thinking aloud... Could it be Pitch after all? It might explain his early jumpiness - and give a reason to his reasonableness of late?

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[Huinesoron]

The worst of it--and this thread has written evidence--is that your team over here considered a protest vote to be a real victory!

It was, until we got Nilp'd.

hS

[Loslote]

3 wolves, 3 innocents who knew what was going on, and 2 innocents who were completely, utterly clueless. :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

It was, until we got Nilp'd.

hS

First time I can ever remember begging for someone to just be AWOL for a Day.

I think I'm going to need a stiff drink tonight to unwind.

[Nogrod]

3 wolves, 3 innocents who knew what was going on, and 2 innocents who were completely, utterly clueless. :rolleyes:
A village is as strong as its weakest link... erm... the weakest links. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Boro Shasta is still counted amongst the living on the living thread.

Thank you. Corrected

I wish we could protest that Nilp's vote came in on the 10:00 GMT minute itself and is therefore disqualified, but that is a slender legalism indeed.

If you thinking of it as killing off his own team (and thus himself), that really was the Nilping to end all Nilping.

Yeah I remember that being a contested point in one of the previous games and I can't remember who the moderator was but they completely disappeared for 2 or so weeks and the game went dead.

I think it's been generally accepted anything that comes in at :00 is good. Anything :01 is not.

On a totally different issue: kudos to Boro for the narration! Loved it.

Thanks Nogrod. :-)

[Loslote]

The Beast Hunter giveth and the Beast Hunter taketh away.

[Nogrod]

I think it's been generally accepted anything that comes in at :00 is good. Anything :01 is not.
I've played probably too many games of 'Downs Werewolf and I think it has always been the rule, that :00 is okay and :01 is not.

[Formendacil]

I've played probably too many games of 'Downs Werewolf and I think it has always been the rule, that :00 is okay and :01 is not.

As much as I don't WANT it to be the rule, I knew in my gut when it happened that he had it in in time--though I think my internal "clock" said "if it's before Boro's post it counts even if the stamps are both 6:01 and if it's after, it doesn't, even if the stamps are both 6:00."

[Blind Guardian]

III. Deadline and Voting:
1. Posting in the game thread has to stop at the deadline.
2. Unless otherwise specified by the mod, votes should be on a separate line, preceded by a "++", and bolded. Otherwise they do not count.
3. Votes are counted up to deadline 'downs time. Votes posted after this time do not count. (F.ex., for a 1pm deadline, a vote posted at 1:00 counts, at 1:01 does not.)
4. Votes can be regarded as non-retractable unless otherwise specified by the mod.

Quotes don't count as a message and I need text.

B. Guidelines for Mods:

I. Before Signing up for Modding:
1. Would-be mods must have participated in at least 7 games of Barrowdowns werewolf before modding.

Also, on me modding. I don't think I have 7 games and even if I did they took place 6 to 10 years ago so probably don't count. I can wait :)

[Huinesoron]

So who do we think will join us in the Morning? The wolves must be caught between two possibilities:

1/ The Ranger protected Nilp last Night, per his request; therefore he's unprotected and the obvious target.

2/ The Ranger protected Rikae as a prospective Seer last Night, and is probably protecting Nilp toNight (as a 'known' innocent). Therefore... who? Shasta is the most obviously dangerous, since he has the pack down perfectly, but the Ranger can see that too. (EDIT: Yes, I forgot; thank you, Greenie. Stars, that's embarassing.)

It probably also depends on how confident they are in getting all 4 votes in early toMorrow. If they don't think they can, they probably want to specifically hunt the Ranger, to clear the way for toMorrow Night.

hS

[A Little Green]

2/ The Ranger protected Rikae as a prospective Seer last Night, and is probably protecting Nilp toNight (as a 'known' innocent). Therefore... who? Shasta is the most obviously dangerous, since he has the pack down perfectly, but the Ranger can see that too.Ummm - Huin, did you miss the part where they last-minute lynched Shasta? :rolleyes::D

[A Little Green]

But yes, it'll be interesting to see whether they go for Nilp as a more or less known innocent, try to gun for the unknown Ranger (Brinn? Pitch? I think Pitch seems more likely atm, though who knows what the wolves think), or go for the one who was perhaps most vocally on Shasta's side and thus hardest to point fingers at toMorrow (ie. Sally).

[Huinesoron]

Ummm - Huin, did you miss the part where they last-minute lynched Shasta? :rolleyes::D

... [Facepalm]

Clearly I had blocked that memory overnight.

hS

[A Little Green]

... [Facepalm]

Clearly I had blocked that memory overnight.

hSCan't blame you. I wish I could, too.

[Nogrod]

Well, if the wolves manage a kill, they're sure to be waiting there at the Daybreak to vote. With a 4-4 situation it means the party which gives the last vote loses. The wolves understand that and (as I think is obvious) Rikae understands that. Unless some RL problem prevents them, they should all be able to vote immediately and the Cobbler knows to be there and see whom to vote. So the Village has maybe a minute to play.

On the villager's side we have once more a problem with Nilp as the time is more or less awkward for him. Let's see if he could redeem himself by waking up for it and joining the fray.

The slight hope we might have, I think, is if all the Villagers understand the situation and come separately to the same conclusion: that they must pick the same wolf and do it fast. And who would that be? Well, they could come up with Mac just by inference and realize he's the only one the others could pick as well. So if they all start the Day by voting Mac, without waiting first how the others vote, then there is a chance.

Not that great a chance though.


So, go Ranger! You're our best (practically only) hope!

[Nogrod]

But yes, it'll be interesting to see whether they go for Nilp as a more or less known innocent, try to gun for the unknown Ranger (Brinn? Pitch? I think Pitch seems more likely atm, though who knows what the wolves think), or go for the one who was perhaps most vocally on Shasta's side and thus hardest to point fingers at toMorrow (ie. Sally).
My guess is they try to go for the securest kill possible aka. someone who's least probably protected aka. the Ranger themself or the one the Ranger would least likely protect. If they succeed in their NightKill, they don't need to point fingers at anyone in particular.

So even if their chances are pretty good (3/4 to succeed) they still have a slight problem in picking their choice.

The Ranger could be anyone but Nilp - I guess that's safe to assume - and could thus protect anyone.

Nilp is the known innocent but also the one who probably should be let to live because of the timezone problem he has. Of the four villagers he's the least likely to be there so the best bet to let live.

Sally was strongly supporting Shasta, so they would probably want to get rid of her just because of that (even if it doesn't actually matter to them, who dies). But that strong opposition might be the reason for the Ranger to protect her.

Brinn and Pitch would be my best bets for the Ranger - Pitch clearly saw what was going on and I believe Brinn saw the light late yesterDay. So either if them? If I were the Ranger and either of them, I'd probably protect the other one.

As I think Pitch looks more like the Ranger, I'd go for him were I a wolf.


Let's see.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

... [Facepalm]

Clearly I had blocked that memory overnight.

hS

Can't blame you. I wish I could, too.

*insert diabolical laughter*

[A Little Green]

*insert diabolical laughter*
I preferred it when you quoted Kafka. :p

[Huinesoron]

I preferred it when you quoted Kafka. :p

I thought that was a Kafka quote. :D

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I preferred it when you quoted Kafka. :p
How about this, then, as we are on the topic of what may happen toMorrow:

“But I’m not guilty,” said K. “There’s been a mistake. How is it even possible for someone to be guilty? We’re all human beings here, one like the other.” “That is true,” said the priest. “But that is how the guilty speak.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

[Blind Guardian]

How about this, then, as we are on the topic of what may happen toMorrow:

“But I’m not guilty,” said K. “There’s been a mistake. How is it even possible for someone to be guilty? We’re all human beings here, one like the other.” “That is true,” said the priest. “But that is how the guilty speak.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

I don't know who Kafka is, but this is how I feel when "innocent until proven guilty" turns into a media witch hunt prior to the trial.

Speaking of witch hunts, we're at about 5 hours until Day begins.

[Boromir88]

Speaking of witch hunts, we're at about 5 hours until Day begins.

Oi, time flies in Werewolf

Except with 10 minutes prior to the DL when you're staring at the clock wondering if a villager who took a nap will wake up. :eek:

At the 5 minute mark I had the deadline over post typed out with an explanation as to why Mac was going to be the lynch. "Then oh wait...nope, cancel that."

[Loslote]

I'm giving my thesis proposal today an hour before the deadline, with the defense part immediately after, so I'm guessing by the time I check in here the game will already have been decided. :eek: See you all on the other side!

[Huinesoron]

I'm giving my thesis proposal today an hour before the deadline, with the defense part immediately after, so I'm guessing by the time I check in here the game will already have been decided. :eek: See you all on the other side!

Good luck! And good luck to all of us. :(

hS

[Loslote]

Good luck! And good luck to all of us. :(

hS

Thanks! I'm expecting one win and one loss today, if I'm being honest. And it's not the thesis proposal I'm worried about. ;) :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm giving my thesis proposal today an hour before the deadline, with the defense part immediately after, so I'm guessing by the time I check in here the game will already have been decided. :eek: See you all on the other side!

Good luck! I can absolutely honestly wish you that for this one; for winning Werewolf, of course, I cannot say the same at all :smokin:

[A Little Green]

Thanks! I'm expecting one win and one loss today, if I'm being honest. And it's not the thesis proposal I'm worried about. ;) :rolleyes:That's the spirit! Good luck xx

[Nogrod]

I think I'm already congratulating you: way to go Lottie!

PS. What's the subject of your thesis?

[Loslote]

I think I'm already congratulating you: way to go Lottie!

PS. What's the subject of your thesis?

I'm studying water ice in seasonally shadowed regions at the lunar poles. :D

[Nogrod]

I'm studying water ice in seasonally shadowed regions at the lunar poles. :D
That sounds pretty cool indeed! Well, in any sense of the word cool. :cool:

[Nogrod]

15 minutes.

Let's make a public poll.


1) How many wolves will vote within the first minute of the game?

2) Has the Cobbler voted after a minute has been played?

3) Is there any vote cast by an innocent after one minute of play?

4) Is there any attempt at quick co-operation by the innocents within the first minute?

[Nogrod]

I'm afraid it will go:

1) All three

2) Yes

3) Possibly one

4) Sadly no

[A Little Green]

Nog, don't forget the Ranger might still save the day! Not likely given how well this game is going but one can always hope :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Nog, don't forget the Ranger might still save the day! Not likely given how well this game is going but one can always hope :rolleyes:
Sure.

As long as there is life, there is hope - says someone who is dead. :)

[Huinesoron]

I'm putting my money on 'one of the innocents votes with the wolves'.

Seems a pretty safe bet in this game. :D

hS

[Boromir88]

For your wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

:p

And go Lottie, go! Good luck.

[Nogrod]

I'm putting my money on 'one of the innocents votes with the wolves'.
I'd say that's more probable than all the innocents voting the same person... :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Welcome, Dead Hunter! :D

[Boromir88]

Go, Lottie! Go! Good luck.

The Dead

Boro (Town Recorder) - murdered by pack Night 1
Huinesoron (Villager) - lynched Day 1
Loslote (Villager) - killed by pack Night 2
Nogrod (Villager) - Lynched Day 2
Blind Guardian (Villager) - killed by pack Night 3
Formendacil (Villager) - lynched Day 3
A Little Green (Seer) - killed by pack Night 4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Werewolf) - caught in BH booby trap Night 4
Shastanis Althreduin (Villager) - Lynched Day 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Beast Hunter) - Death ritual Night 5

---

Welcome Nilp!

Do not think to harshly on everyone wishing you would stay asleep yesterday. :cool: After all, you did warn everyone in the thread after your successful trap you were just a confused ordo now.

Lottie summed it up best:

The Beast Hunter giveth and the Beast Hunter taketh away.

:)

[Nogrod]

Mac is an ordo?

[A Little Green]

LOMMY?????????????????????

Seriously were we wrong about her or Mac?

[Huinesoron]

++ Mac

everyone real fast?

WAIT what the Utumno?

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*Evil cackling intensifies* ;)

[Nogrod]

Reminds also us that hybris is always followed by nemesis.

[A Little Green]

And if one of Mac or Lommy is innocent - Brinn, Pitch or Sally is a wolf. :eek:

[Nogrod]

Wait. Lommy is an ordo?

What is this?

[Huinesoron]

They're all Cobblers. It's the only explanation.

hS

[A Little Green]

Ranger reveal time? They badly need a known innocent.

[Huinesoron]

++Rikae

Cobbler, it's on you!

What???

hS

[Nogrod]

Mac votes Rikae?

Okay. I don't know what to think.

[Huinesoron]

Mac votes Rikae?

Okay. I don't know what to think.

... and so do RiCobbler and...

... Pitch.

Edit: SALLY?!

hS

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

That's a twist!

And Pitch also!


This is actually pretty cool.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They're all Cobblers. It's the only explanation.

hS

Or maybe... *puts on menacing tone* your have all been wrong... about everything... the whole time... my little green friend and collective...

[A Little Green]

Mac votes Rikae?

Okay. I don't know what to think. Either he didn't realise they were the Cobbler, or else trusted them to self-vote and maybe even hoped he could get an innocent to vote for them too?

[Huinesoron]

Or maybe... *puts on menacing tone* your have all been wrong... about everything... the whole time... my little green friend and collective...

This game.

I can't even.

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Goood, gooooooood...

[Nogrod]

Are you telling me you think Rikae isn't the cobbler?
No, she is that. Exactly.

And what a way to go!

[A Little Green]

Okay they deserve to win.

[Huinesoron]

Okay they deserve to win.

Yep.

hS

[Nogrod]

Okay they deserve to win.
Agreed.

Although, if they had let us decide yesterDay, we wouldn't have been in this situation... :smokin:

[Boromir88]

Well that happened quick...

Would anyone object to close the game out and I'll put up an ending narration then we can all discuss in the planning thread?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Rikae

Cobbler, please report for lunching....I mean lynching.


x'd with the pack and our sweet assistant

Sally? I thought it was Kath! :eek::D

*gets fork and knife and napkin*

Let's finish this like civilized wolves!

I love them all :D

*cries* that's my pack and our beautiful, capable ally!!!


You should all have listened to Shasta.
And to Brinn, you lot, like Day and half ago. She was, to my knowledge, the only person who said it and said it 100% correctly - at one point.

[Nogrod]

Boro?

THe game has actually ended as Rikae has four votes (first in any case).

So should we just call it a Day and join all the feast of the wolves? Some more - pretty rotten - meat to them?

[Huinesoron]

So...

I'm pretty sure the Dead are all terrible too.

Well that happened quick...

Would anyone object to close the game out and I'll put up an ending narration then we can all discuss in the planning thread?

I don’t object, though I feel slightly bad for Nilp waking up to find that the whole game got night-killed.

hS

[Nogrod]

Would anyone object to close the game out and I'll put up an ending narration then we can all discuss in the planning thread?
Absolutely no objections!

[Formendacil]

Well that happened quick...

Would anyone object to close the game out and I'll put up an ending narration then we can all discuss in the planning thread?

Just end this misery! :p

[Nogrod]

I don’t object, though I feel slightly bad for Nilp waking up to find that the whole game got night-killed.
Anyway it was due to Nilping in the end. So he should be fine with it. :)

[Boromir88]

Go and join the living again.

Glad everyone seemed to enjoy it for the most part. There's plenty of thoughts I have that I will share in good time. Now that I'm finally able to!

[Formendacil]

Before we all leave this place of tranquil coziness... it must be noted, alas, that we were scarcely brighter in death than in life!

[Nogrod]

Btw. Boro said in the game thread, that discussion should continue there...

EDIT: X'd with the same message...