Verbal Reasoning!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Anduril? All the weapons that the remaining members of the Fellowship had to leave outside of the Golden hall, just like Bill was left out side Moria? :)

[Firefoot]

No.

[Thorongil]

Eomer? Bill was sent away from Moria and Eomer was sent away from Edoras.

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Bill didn't enter Moria. Shadowfax didn't enter Edoras.

Gee, I wonder why?

[Firefoot]

That sounds right... I know the answer was along those lines. :rolleyes:

Anyway, go ahead and post the next question. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gandalf is to Shadowfax

as

Aragorn is to __________.

[Firefoot]

Roheryn? Because Shadowfax was given to Gandalf as Roheryn was given to Aragorn.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Hasufel? (I answer this because Hasufel was only borrowed by Aragorn, as Shadowfax was borrowed by Gandalf.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

'tis not a horse. ;)

[Rimbaud]

Gifts etc.

[paavo]

Eomer? shadofax is a friend to Gandalf an Eomer is Aragorns friend. and they are both from Rohan.

[The Saucepan Man]

... his legs? :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Neither Andúril nor Éomer.


... his legs? :D
No, Saucie. Just no. :p

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Gondor?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Think call.

[Fingolfin II]

Halbarad and the rest of the Dunedain? Gandalf called Shadowfax to him and Aragorn called his kin 'in his heart'?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Go, F! (Can I call you "F"?)

[Fingolfin II]

'F' :rolleyes:? I 'spose, if you really want......try 'Fing' or something else....whatever you like :smokin:.

Hmm...

Aragorn is to Numenor

as

Faramir is to _________.

[NightKnight]

Numenor?

[Fingolfin II]

Ah, sorry I forgot about this thread. Nope, Numenor isn't right. It's the obvious answer, but if your thinking along the lines that I think your thinking then your on the right track of thinking.....I think... ;).

[rutslegolas]

Gondor ?

[The Saucepan Man]

Dol Amroth?

[nobody]

Ithillien?

[Fingolfin II]

Saucepan has it! Elven blood entered the Numenorean race through Elros and passed to Aragorn and the same occurred with the foremother of the Princes of Dol Amroth with Mithrellas, of whose line Faramir is.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thankee Fingolfin. :)

Pippin is to Gandalf

as

Merry is to _______

[Firefoot]

Aragorn?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A is brought by B to Minas Tirith?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nilpaurion has it.

The thread is your, Nil. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Maeglin is to Idril

as

Gríma is to __________.

[Firefoot]

Éowyn?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No. :p

[OldTomBombadil]

Théoden

[Fingolfin II]

Éomer? Both mistrusted the former?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fin2, the thread is yours!

(There, I changed your nick! ;) )

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fin2?

[Fingolfin II]

That's twice I've had to be bumped! How embarassing :eek:!

William is to Bilbo as

Bilbo is to ______.

[Evisse the Blue]

The Sackville Bagginses maybe? Cause Bilbo tried to steal from William and the Sackville Bagginses tried to steal from Bilbo.

[Fingolfin II]

Yep.

[Evisse the Blue]

Merry and Pippin were to Treebeard as

______________ was to Men

[luthien-elvenprincess]

The Eldar? Treebeard didn't know of the hobbits' existence, as the Edain were not aware of the Eldar.

[Evisse the Blue]

Close, but your answer does not fit the form of the verb: 'was'

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Hows about Felagund (Nom)?

[Evisse the Blue]

Correct!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

This one shouldn't be too hard...

Fimbrethil is to Treebread as

_____________ is to Sauron

[Fingolfin II]

The One Ring? Both are 'lost' and they're hoping to find them?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

yup, I knew it wouldn't take much puzzling over that one!

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers,

Theoden is to Eomer as

Helm is to ______________.

Another easy one.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A gave the throne to sister-son B.

[Fingolfin II]

The son of Finrod has it!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thingol is to Morwen

as

______________ is to Gilraën.


Quite easy, I believe.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No guesses?

This is really easy, albeit the core relation is somewhat deflected.

[The Saucepan Man]

Elrond?

In both cases, the former offered sanctuary to the latter's son within their realm.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I mean, what's with Elves and vaguely Elf-like mothers? :rolleyes:

Take the thread! :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks. :) Thread taken.

Sam is to Frodo

as

______ is to Bilbo

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

The Gaffer because he was Bilbo's gardener as Sam was Frodo's gardener.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good answer. I knew that there would be a few connections. But that is not the one that I am thinking of. Sorry.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Perhaps Frodo?

Sam was Frodo's heir as Frodo was Bilbo's?

[The Saucepan Man]

Sophia! How wonderful to see you here. Welcome back. :)

But I am afraid that is not the answer that I had in mind.

Hint: Think of Mount Doom ...

[Evisse the Blue]

Dori?

Sam carried Frodo, Dori carried Bilbo.

[The Saucepan Man]

Spot on, Evisse. Well done. :)

The thread is yours.

[Evisse the Blue]

Thanks!

Boromir was to Aragorn
as
Aragorn was to _______.

[Firefoot]

Gandalf? Boromir (kind of) looked to Aragorn for leadership, and Aragorn looked to Gandalf for leadership?

[Celebriel Esgaledhel]

Elrond? Boromir was, in a way, under the command of Aragorn, and when Aragorn was growing up, he was under the care of Elrond.

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope neither. The answer is one which may seem odd, but true from a certain perspective. A good strategy for this is to think of circumstances, not persons....

[Firefoot]

Arwen? Boromir died in Aragorn's company and Aragorn died in Arwen's?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind. :)
Your thread.

[Firefoot]

Thanks.

Frodo is to Strider

as

Sam is to _________.

[Mad Baggins]

Frodo?

Frodo was protected by Strider as Sam protected Frodo?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A followed B?

If that's wrong, a clue?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

One of the names is not being used in the "traditional" sense. Once you figure out which, the answer should be pretty obvious.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Frodo rode Strider (the pony) home,

Sam rode Bill.

Firefoot, you are my new quiz hero. :cool: :p

[Firefoot]

Thank you. :D That's correct.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Beor is to Finrod

as

Pippin is to _________

[Neithan]

Denethor. Beor swore allegence to Finrod just as Pippin did to Denethor.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

No, but interesting connection. :)

[paavo]

Faramir? Beor saved Finrod's life (didn't he?) and Pippin saved Faramir's.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Sorry, but no.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A was the first of his kind B saw?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Precisely. :) There are several instances of men/ents seeing hobbits for the first time, but it was Beregond I was looking for. :)

Congrats. I thought that was going to be much harder.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thank you, Sophia. :)

OK, here goes (it will be a bit of a stretch):

Mîm is to Andróg

as

______________ is to Gollum.

[Evisse the Blue]

Hmmm, maybe Faramir? Because Mîm cursed Androg and Faramir cursed Gollum("may death find you swiftly, if you do not serve him (Frodo) well") -- and both came true.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I forgot all about this thread, and my question.

In light of that, and Evisse's convincing answer, she gets the thread.

Your turn. ;)

[Evisse the Blue]

The White Tree is to Aragorn

as
__________ is to Finrod.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

The White Tree was the symbol of Aragorn's Kingship

as

The Nauglamir was of Finrod's?

*hopeful*

[Evisse the Blue]

On the plus side, you're quite close with the 'symbol' thing. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The White Tree is the symbol of the Edain's friendship with the Eldar (I think).

The Ring of Felagund (not Barahir :p ) is the smybol of Finrod's frienship with Barahir and all his kin.

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope, sorry, not that either...

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

The White Tree was the device on Aragorn's banner

as

A harp and quiver were the devices on Finrod's?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's it! Well done!

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Kili is to Thorin

as

Bilbo is to ___________

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Bullroarer (Bandobras) Took, perhaps. That's probably not how you spell it, but... ...

I say this because Killi was a relation to Thorin on his mother’s side, the same way Bilbo was related to Bullroarer Took on his Mother's side.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope, but interesting point with the relationship... :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A's mother was B's sister?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

:p I'm assuming you meant Isengrim Took, since that is the right answer.

I'd have taken any of the Old Took's children (except obviously Belladonna) for this answer, although I only was thinking of Donnamira and Mirabella when I wrote the question.

Silly of me to forget that Ole Gerontius had 13 children.

Your go, Mr. Felagund.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I will claim to end of my days--I'm an Elda, vy ze vay--that it was a TYPO!!! :rolleyes: :D

Sure. Right. Like we'd believe that.

Enedwaith:

Gondolin is to Finwë

as

__________ is to Orodreth.

The usual skewed relation.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone?

[Evisse the Blue]

The Forest of Brethil?

(Turgon, Finwe's heir, died in Gondolin, while Finduilas, Orodreth's only child and heir died near the forest of Brethil.)

Hopefully I got it right, this one's a toughie! :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . but maybe not today.

I'll accept Forest of Brethil, as it's close enough to the answer I want.

Gondolin was where Fingolfin, Finwë's child, was buried.

Haudh-en-Elleth was where Finduilas, Orodreth's child, was buried.

Wait. Now that think of it, technically, Fingolfin was buried outside Gondolin.

Ha. Whatever. Your turn, Evisse! :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Ok, can we also do this with events?
If we can't - you'll let me know and I'll change it. :)

The Paths of the Dead is to Gimli

like
________________ is to Frodo.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*chuckles*

Cirith Ungol, in both places the person was not terribly happy about being underground/in tunnels.

:p Not an event though, so likely not right.

[Evisse the Blue]

*cough*

Actually I must have been high on something when I wrote that, because neither the first nor the second are events. Both are places, but Cirith Ungol is not the one.

[The Elf-warrior]

Is the Dead Marshes the answer?

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope, keep trying.
Hint: Think its effect on the character.

[Beanamir of Gondor]

That wouldn't happen to be the Barrow-downs, would it?

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope, it isn't. Actually, one might say it's quite the opposite of that. This answer would work in a 'reversed verbal reasoning'. I hope I gave a hint. ;)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Mount Doom Perhaps? Both of these places changed the characters in some way. I.e. Gimli submission to fear and Frodo's submission to the ring.

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's it. And that's also the reason. Well done, thread is yours! :)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Thank'ee Evisse.

Try this one;

Frodo is to The Old Forest

As

Aragorn is to _________
Good luck all.

[Gil-Galad]

hmm...Rivendell perhaps?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

hmm...Rivendell perhaps?

Nope.

[Evisse the Blue]

Lorien?
Both idyllic places where Frodo/Aragorn will not return?

[Beanamir of Gondor]

I would say Helm's Deep, because Aragorn and the Rohirrim got rescued by Gandalf just as Frodo and the other Hobbits got bailed out of the Old Forest mess by Tom Bombadil.

[Gil-Galad]

fanghorn?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Nope, nope and nope.

Perhaps it should have been "Just out side of the Old Forest". That may be a clue for ye.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

No one having a guess?

[Beanamir of Gondor]

Okay, since nobody's posted for a long time, I'll just make a bunch of random associations. Tom Bombadil's house is right outside the Old Forest... the Barrow-downs are pretty close nearby... Brandy Hall is at the entrance to the Old Forest... am I getting close? PLEASE! I'm dying to know what this one is, give another clue!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

You're close. But not quite. Think of what happened BEFORE they entered the Old Forest.

[Firefoot]

The Paths of the Dead? Before Frodo enters the Old Forest, Fatty tells him he wishes he wasn't going in, and before Aragorn enters the Paths of the Dead he is told the same thing by Éomer and Théoden.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

You're close, Firefoot. But not quite.

[Dimturiel]

Moria?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Moria?

Nope.

Here is another clue... What happened to Fatty before they went into the Old Forest?

[Celuien]

Hmmm. Dunharrow? Fatty is left behind outside of the Old Forest to take care of Frodo's new house and Éowyn is left behind in Dunharrow to watch over Rohan (although one wanted to stay and the other didn't)...

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Youre VERY close. But no.

[Celuien]

Hornburg, then? Merry is left behind when Aragorn leaves the Hornburg, Fatty is left behind when Frodo enters the Old Forest. It's also where the warnings against the Paths of the Dead are given. And not quite the same as Helm's Deep.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Close. Think back to the begining of The Two Towers.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

No one guessing?

Okay, here is another clue;

Boromir is involved.

[Celuien]

Parth Galen?

Aragorn and Frodo both make a decision about where to go next and leave someone behind.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Absolutely correct Celuien! I would also have accepted Amon Hen or the Falls of Rauros.

It's all yours.

[Celuien]

Girdle of Melian is to Doriath

as

_______ is to Rivendell.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

The Ford of Bruinen? They both stopped great Evil. In the Ford's case, the Nazgûl, and the girdle stopped Orcs and other nasties.

[Celuien]

Indeed it is. :)

All yours.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Good grief! That was quick!

Okay, here is one;

Helm's Deep is to Legolas

As

The Lonely Mountain is to ______

Good luck.

[Gil-Galad]

Thranduil? both him and Legolas helped other races againest an army of evil

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

B is the only one of his race who fought in A?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Close, the fight has something to do with it. Bilbo IS involved, but is not the person I'm looking for.

[Celuien]

Gandalf?

Gandalf was glad to see Bilbo "Alive after all," Legolas was glad to see Gimli on his legs after both of them disappeared during the battle.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Close, Celuien. I will say this; Gimli is involved.

[Arestevana]

Thorin Oakenshield?
Thorin left Bilbo with a curse and harsh words, and Legolas bet that he would kill more orcs than Gimli.
After their respective battles, Legolas and Thorin have gladly eaten their own words after seeing Gimli and Bilbo alive (but with a bump on the head).

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Arestevana, you are correct, the thread is yours.
Take up thy stethoscope and walk

[Arestevana]

Thank you, Hookbill.

Treebeard is to Merry and Pippin
as
Eomer is to ______

[Firefoot]

Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli? A thought B were Orcs?

[Arestevana]

Correct. :)

Pray proceed...

[Firefoot]

Sam is to Gollum

as

Théoden is to ________.

[Dimturiel]

Wormtongue? Sam did not kill Gollum but took pitty of him and let him go and so did Theoden with Wormtongue.

[Firefoot]

Precisely.

[Dimturiel]

So it is my turn then. Here it is:

Fingon is to ________ as Sam is to Frodo. Sorry if it is too easy, but, after all, it is my first one.

[Gil-Galad]

Maedhros

Sam saved Frodo in the tower and Fingon saved Maedhros

[Dimturiel]

Yes, you were right, though I wanted to say that Fingon found Meadhros by singing a song just as Sam found Frodo.

[Gil-Galad]

Glaurang is to Nargothrond as Ancalgon is to _____________

[Celebriel Esgaledhel]

Well, Glaurung led an assault upon Nargothrond and Ancalagon was loosed against the Valar near the end of the War of Wrath..

Also, Glaurung destroyed Nargothrond, and Ancalagon destroyed Thangorodrim as he fell from the sky, so my guess would be: Thangorodrim

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gil-galad?

[Gil-Galad]

aye that is correct...as far as i remember it...

[Beanamir of Gondor]

Calling a thirty-six day limit on Gildor!! =D

In the pathetic spirit of keeping my favorite Quiz Room thread alive,

Saradoc Brandybuck is to Fatty Bolger
as
Denethor is to _______________

[Eowyn Wenhamir]

Saradoc's son married Fatty's sister, and Denethor's son married Eomer's sister.

*discoes*

[Beanamir of Gondor]

Thank you!
Your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

______ is to Aragorn

as

Sauron is to Frodo.

[Beanamir of Gondor]

I say Denethor, because he feels threatened by Aragorn, just as Sauron feels... threathened by.... Frodo? :-/

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Gondor? They are looking for him, (Or rather, any king) just as Sauron is looking for Frodo (or rather, the Ring)...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Both wrong. This angle is a bit unorthodox.

[Farael]

Let's go on a limb here... and maybe taking up the hint that it's an unorthodox question.... I Will say that Sauron is to Aragorn as Sauron is to Frodo. To put it simply, Sauron is the main foe of both Aragorn and Frodo, and each of them defeated Sauron in their own way. Either on the battle field or the destruction of the Ring.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Not that easy. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Think 'material things.' ;) :cool:

[JennyHallu]

Barahir

Aragorn bears the Ring of Barahir, and Frodo bears the Ring of Sauron.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But no. Think 'original owner of material things.' ;) :cool:

[JennyHallu]

Finrod Felegund?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The floor is yours. :)

[JennyHallu]

__________ is to Ëol

as

Aragorn is to Telchar

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Tûrin; sword-owners and swordmakers.

[JennyHallu]

Actually, the answer I had in mind was Beleg, but I'm going to accept yours, because both Turin's and Aragorn's blades were remade by someone else before they used them (Telchar forged Narsil, which was reforged into Anduril, and Eol forged Anglachel, which was reforged into Gurthang).


By which verbosity I mean "Your thread, Nilp!"

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

______ is to Samwise

as

Túrin is to Húrin.

Nota bene: I will not accept the correct answer unless accompanied by the correct reason. Caveat.

[paavo]

The correct answer is Andwise who is, as Turin is to Hurin, almost a namesake with Samwise. There, there's your reason. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's interesting . . .

But wrong. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Think Genetics. ;)

[Celuien]

Elanor?

Elanor and Turin are the eldest children of Samwise and Hurin, respectively.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Find something closer to Genetics, like recessive genes. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hair colour.

[Celuien]

Hair colour.
Hmm. Elanor was golden haired. But I thought Turin, Hurin and Morwen were all dark-haired.

The golden hair would be recessive (well, actually, it's more complicated than that :p), but the dark hair wouldn't be. Though if we're talking about recessive traits, Turin did have grey eyes, which I guess were more Elven than human, like Elanor's hair was more like the Vanyar than Hobbits...

Just thinking out loud.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Húrin is of the line of Hador Lórindol (Goldenhead). He has golden hair. So does his daughter, Níniel.

On the other hand, his wife, Morwen, is of the House of Bëor, which has dark-coloured hair. So does Túrin. So, Túrin did not inherit his father's hair colour.

Elanor was golden-haired, while Sam and Rosie both had dark-coloured hair. So, Elanor did not inherit her father's (and mother's) hair colour.

I've been too nitpicky long enough, so the thread is yours. :)

[Celuien]

Húrin is of the line of Hador Lórindol (Goldenhead). He has golden hair. So does his daughter, Níniel.
Learn something new all the time. :)

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to have the thread, so I don't have a clue just now. I'll add one in a few hours...

[Celuien]

Okay, here goes...

The first pair is the opposite of the second pair.

Eärendil (star) : The Elessar
____________ : The Valacirca

I think that works. Have fun! :)

[Celuien]

Hmm. Want a hint?

I guess so:

Hint: The things in each pair are referred to in the text as the same type of symbol, though not necessarily to the same group of people/being. The first pair is the opposite type of symbol as the second pair.

Hopefully, that was both ambiguous enough to maintain the mystery of the clue and non-ambiguous enough to be some help. :)

[Gil-Galad]

well the first pair brought hope while valacrica brought fear...

Menelvagor ??

[Celuien]

Good thought, but not what I was looking for.

Hope is the correct connection for the first pair.
Fear isn't the one I was thinking about for the second, though you're very close. ;)

EDIT: I thought of another hint, but I'm going to hold off on it for now. So there.

[Celuien]

Hint the second:

Reverse mood for the second set. ;)

[Celuien]

And hint the third:

Both pairs contain one article of jewelry and one thing that appears in the sky. Though I switched the order of their appearance in the pairs. The sets are opposites, after all. Or as close to opposite as I could make them. :p

Probably gave away the answer with that clue.

[Mettare]

Reverse mood for the second set.
The opposite of hope should be despair. But I wouldn't think that the Valacirce brought despair. Of course, it might have brought despair to the evil side.

Both pairs contain one article of jewelry and one thing that appears in the sky. Though I switched the order of their appearance in the pairs. The sets are opposites, after all. Or as close to opposite as I could make them.
OK, I'm going to guess the missing piece of jewelry is the One Ring. Because, as the Valacirca kind of signalled the downfall of Morgoth, the One Ring destroyed Sauron in the end.

Bad guess, I know. :rolleyes:

[Celuien]

The One Ring is the correct answer!
“Seek for the Sword that was broken:
In Imladris it dwells;
There shall be counsels taken
Stronger than Morgul-spells.
There shall be shown a token
That Doom is near at hand,
For Isildur's Bane shall waken,
And the Halfling forth shall stand.”
So the Ring was directly referenced as a token of Doom...at least if that's how you read the poem. ;)

And if you reverse the letters in mood you get...doom.

Clue might have been a bit off. But you got it. Thread is yours. :)

[Mettare]

:)

Eithel Ivrin is to Gwindor

as

________ is to Sam

[Mettare]

Need a clue?

Think inspiration ;)

[Beanamir of Gondor]

Inspiration, huh?
Well, in the hope of reviving this thread, I'll guess the Window on the West. Where Sam was inspired to... to... Aha, he was inspired to reveal himself and Frodo to Faramir, like Gwindor revealed himself to Beleg... uh, Turin.
I don't know. :D

[Mettare]

Ahh... that was a long time... it's a miracle I still remember what I had in mind...

Anyway, no.

But I will give you a hint. Think names. Want another hint? That previous hint was rather big. ;)

[Beanamir of Gondor]

Names... names...

(muses to self) Gwindor sang a song for Beleg at Eithel Ivrin, and named it after Belthronding... he also told Turin his own name while they were there. Sam made up a couple of songs too, one at the trolls on the way to Rivendell, and one in the Tower in Mordor...

Argh. Am I on the right track at all? Another possibility is this thread expired? :p

[Mettare]

Well, you are getting closer. Kind of. ;)

But no songs. Just names. Names are important, not so much the object they are given to, or things connected to that. But names. Let's take Eithel Ivrin. Can you think of another name similar to that?

[Beanamir of Gondor]

... Emyn Muil? :D

[Mettare]

No.

Let's see. Places have names, people have names, things have names. And sometimes, the name of one might inspire a name for another. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Lórien?

Eithel Ivrin inspired Gwindor to name Finduilas Faelivrin and Lórien inspired Sam to name his daughter Elanor?

[Mettare]

Actually I meant the flower elanor itself, but it's close enough, so...

Your turn! :D

[Thinlómien]

Fingon is to Maedhros

as

______ is to Beren.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Carcharoth? :D

A funny idea, really!

"Here, let me give you a hand..."

[Thinlómien]

You're right of course. :D

I thought that maybe I should have written "Fingon is to Fëanor as ______ is to Barahir" but I thought it might have been a bit too difficult (but now I'm not so sure anymore... :))

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wow, no, it could have been even better! You can try something like it next time ;)
Anyway... hmm... *scratches head*

Bilbo is to Thorin

as

_______ is to Saruman

[The Might]

Bilbo betrayed Thorin by stealing the Arkenstone, while Grima betrayed Saruman by stabbing him and by giving information to the Nazgul
So maybe it's Grima

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, not what I had in mind.

[The Might]

ok, maybe Bilbo was a burglar, but also a spy for Thorin and Bill Ferny worked as a spy for Saruman in Bree

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope, still not the right one. Bilbo, after all, was not Thorin's servant...

[The Might]

Perhaps it's Lotho Sackville-Baggins
Bilbo was Thorin's host at Bag End, and so was Lotho, for a short while at least for Saruman before being killed by Grima

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Interesting, but still not what I had in mind.

More exactly I might say that what represented Bilbo to Thorin, the same represented _______ to Saruman.

[The Might]

Hmm...well
Bilbo probably represented a travel companion to Thorin
So to Saruman...perhaps Alatar and Pallando could be the answer...?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Bilbo was also something else to Thorin. But you are on right track. Try to think of something more... personal.

[The Might]

Hmm...
Bilbo helped Thorin recover Erebor, while Steward Beren allowed Saruman to stay in Orthanc

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, this is not correct. Hmm... if someone requests it, I might post a hint (but bearing in mind that when I post it, it might become too obvious. But maybe I am mistaken and it will not).

[The Might]

I'd like a hint, since there are many things that come to mind right now

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay... I hope this would be of help: look at the beginnings.

[Gil-Galad]

Radagast perhaps?

Bilbo helped Thorin not knowing exactly what to do, and radagast helped Saruman without knowing exactly it'll lead to

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, actually the connection I had in mind between them was that both Radagast and Bilbo were "unwanted companions" for Saruman&Thorin (Bilbo at start, at least) - but Radagast is correct answer.

Good job, Gil-Galad. Your turn.

[The Might]

Gil-Galad? :confused:

[Gil-Galad]

totally forgot about this thread...

Turin is to Daeron

as

Bilbo is to _______


hope that makes some sense...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

the Sackville-Bagginses? :D

A really annoying person, almost a rival, living nearby. I think this fits?

[The Might]

I would say to Gollum
Turin took Luthien, Daeron's one true love, just like Bilbo took the Ring from Gollum

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I would say to Gollum
Turin took Luthien, Daeron's one true love, just like Bilbo took the Ring from Gollum

I think you mean Beren. Beren took Luthien.

[The Might]

:o Oops...now that's embarassing

Dunno why but after seeing Legate's answer I thought it's Beren and not Turin

But this makes me wonder...what is Turin to Daeron...???
They never met, Turin was 2 at the time that Daeron left Doriath and eventually ended up in Eriador...
All they had in common is the fact they both spent time in Doriath, but they weren't really directly connected

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh... it's my fault, actually. Because I mistook Daeron with Saeros :D

[The Might]

Well, I have thought about it for some time, and I've only managed to find one likely answer...
Maybe it's Celebrian
Turin (a Man) came to Doriath (elvish kingdom) after Daeron (Elf) left it for ever, and afterwards left it as well.
Bilbo (a Hobbit, but also belonging to Men) came to Rivendell (elvish "kingdom") after Celebrian (Elf) left it for ever, and afterwards also left.

[Gil-Galad]

Oh... it's my fault, actually. Because I mistook Daeron with Saeros :D


actually its my fault... i have mistaken Daeron for Saeros... sorry... but Legate did anwser first so i guess it is his turn


again my bad, been really out of my mind all weekend...

[The Might]

I'm confused...what was the answer you were looking for then?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh... it's my fault, actually. Because I mistook Daeron with Saeros :D actually its my fault... i have mistaken Daeron for Saeros... sorry... but Legate did anwser first so i guess it is his turn

again my bad, been really out of my mind all weekend...

Okay, so let me get this straight... you wanted to ask about Saeros, but by mistake wrote Daeron, and I mistook Daeron for Saeros, thus answering the question you originally had in mind? :D Great! Add to this that TM mistook Túrin for Beren and... :cool:

Okay, so I am to think of the next? Here it is:

Gothmog is to Fingolfin

as

_______ is to Eärnur

(Warning before all, there is no mistake in this riddle.)

[The Might]

Well...I have a pretty complicated idea, but here goes
I'd say it's old age.
Fingolfin was High King of the Noldor
The one to slay his succesor, Fingon, was Gothmog.
Earnur was King of Gondor.
The one to bring death to his succesor, Aragorn II, was old age...:Merisu:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nooope. :)

I see you grew quite fond of the Esty (Falbala) smilie. :Merisu:

[The Might]

Maybe the Witch-king?
Gothmog remained hidden in Angband during Fingolfin's rule, just like the Witch-king did during Earnur's

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, but somewhat you are knocking on the right door.

[Macalaure]

Gothmog is to Fingolfin as..
Gothmog is to Eärnur.

Fingolfin was killed by Morgoth, of whom Gothmog was one of the most important servants.
Eärnur was killed by the Witch-King, of whom Gothmog (the other one) was one of the most important servants. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gothmog was whom I was looking for. Please, take over. :)

[Macalaure]

Thanks a lot. :)


Azaghâl is to Maedhros

as

Fingon is to _______

[The Might]

Fingon to Hador
The Dragon-helm actually did change the possesors this way
Azaghal - Maedhros
Maedhros - Fingon
Fingon - Hador

[Macalaure]

Correct!

Seems like I have to make these more difficult. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*bump* Hey, Miggey!

[The Might]

Sorry, didn't notice that

Umm...

Romendacil II is to Meneldil as
Theoden is to

3 reasons ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I know the answer, though I don't know all the three reasons... only one. Should I post that even, or wait till I have all three so that no one steals the victory from me? ;)

[The Might]

Post one if you wish
Actually one of them is actually not that important, since it is common to many more.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, Eorl Young would be the answer, since Eorl-Théoden and Meneldil-Romendacil is both 17th kings in the line after each other.

[The Might]

Ok, you've got two, first they were kings of the both kingdom, and the gap between them.
But the third is in my opinion the hardest one, so whoever gets that should ask next.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And are you sure it's not actually a "what do they have in common"-type question? Is it really something that makes a bridge between Eorl and Théoden and the same way between Meneldil and Rómendacil? I mean, isn't that like defeating an army - defeating another similar army later / defeating an army - defeating another similar army later? (if you understand what I mean)

[The Might]

Yes I understand what you mean, and no, that's not the case.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wasn't it, like, after Eorl&Meneldil the other were in the second line of kings after one breaking of the line? I mean there was a childless king in Gondor, while with the death of Helm there started also second line of kings in Rohan. This theory has some flaws, though, since there were actually two childless kings in Gondor before Rómendacil II and on the other hand in Rohan, there were "uncounted" movings from firstborn son to another's son like in the case of Brego but also Fengel, so whatever I do, the numbers don't fit...

[The Might]

Nah...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I really can't come upon something serious, though here are the possibilities that came to me:

So, perhaps it was that they were always the first and the last ruler of their kingdom in the Third Age?

[The Might]

...umm...yes, that's right, but not what I was looking for
Indeed I could have used that as a reason too :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gaaah... any hint what direction we should take? Like - time, places (cities?), function, possession, attribute?