Verbal Reasoning!

[LePetitChoux]

This is something that is on most British schools' entrance exams, and I thought it would be interesting to give it a nice Tolkien Twist.
The idea is very simple - you relate two words to one another, and then give the beginning of a second pair, so that the intended audience may complete it.

A really easy one would be:
Dog is to Puppy as
Cat is to ____________________

Now we all know the answer would be "Kitten" (don't we?), but the Tolkien version could perhaps be more difficult, as most characters and things and places have more than one relationship...if you know what I mean. (The above would be more difficult if Dog was also an anagram of puppy, the place where the puppy was born, etc.)

If I didn't just waffle on and write complete nonsense, and you actually understood what I mean, then have a go at this niiice and easy one:
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Arwen is to Elrond as
Éowyn is to ___________
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You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we?
Also, if there are any more VR-style questions, you can post those up as well, provided you explain how they work.

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[Hama Of The Riddermark]

Theoden...

Because he is her (adopted) father...

Elrond is Arwen's real father...

Is the link close enough?

[Firefoot]

Eomund because he is Eowyn's father. Elrond is Arwen's father.

[Arestevana]

I will guess Eomund: Arwen is Elrond's daughter, Eowyn is the daughter of Eomund.

Ah... Crossposts. smilies/rolleyes.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:39 PM January 26, 2004: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[LePetitChoux]

I was in fact thinking of Eomund.

So Firefoot gets it.

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[Firefoot]

Thanks, LePetitChoux!

Okay, here's mine:
Gandalf is to Shadowfax as
Aragorn is to ____________

[Arestevana]

My answer is Hasufel.

Shadowfax was a horse given to Gandalf, and Hasufel was a horse given to Aragorn.

[Firefoot]

Not quite...

Happy 100th post to me!!

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:59 PM January 27, 2004: Message edited by: Firefoot ]

[Gil-Galad]

well shadowfax has been gandalfs greatest friend, so i would say either Legolas or Gimli

[Firefoot]

No.

[Finwe]

Roheryn, because Gandalf rides Shadowfax, and Aragorn rides Roheryn.

[Firefoot]

Yes! Finwe has it.

[Arwen_Evenstar]

Oooh, interesting thread...sounds like fun! C'mon, post!
~nat~

[Finwe]

Alright...

Fram is to Scatha

as

Theoden is to...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The Haradrim leader? Because Fram slew Scatha, and Théoden slew the Haradrim cavalry commander? smilies/cool.gif

[Firefoot]

The Fell Beast? My reason is the same as Nilpaurion's.

[Eorl of Rohan]

My guess is snowmane, Theoden's horse.

Snowmane was Theoden's bane after all.

[Finwe]

Nilpaurion has it. It is the leader of the Haradrim cavalry.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Frodo is to Finrod

as

_____ is to Théoden.

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[The Saucepan Man]

Eowyn?

Frodo brought about the destruction of Sauron, who killed Finrod.

Eowyn brought about the destruction of Theoden's killer, the Witch King.

[NightKnight]

Nilpaurion? *Pokes*

[The Saucepan Man]

*Pokes Nilpaurion again*

Nilpaurion - you there?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

NightKnight: Nilpaurion? *Pokes*

Nilpaurion: Zzzzz...

The Saucepan Man: *Pokes Nilpaurion again* Nilpaurion - you there?

Nilpauiron: Huh? Oh, sorry. The Saucepan Man is correct.

[The Saucepan Man]

Nilpaurion, please clear your PM box.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You and your bloody silliness! You'll get us both killed!

Hey, I said I'm sorry. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, a different kind of verbal reasoning question.

Give the next two names in this sequence:

Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, …

[Evisse the Blue]

Cool one!
Here's my attempt:
Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, Gimli (alphabetically, next from the Fellowship - Thorin & co are in reverse alphabetical-)

[NightKnight]

Give the next two names in this sequence:

So you will also need a Gloin.

[Evisse the Blue]

So you will also need a Gloin. You're right. Serves me right for not paying attention. :rolleyes:

[Samwise]

WOW. Definitely confusing, that one. :confused: :eek: :confused:

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, since Evisse solved the key to the puzzle, but NightKnight provided the full answer, I suppose either of you can go next. Depends who gets back here first ... ;)

[NightKnight]

And that would be me. :D

An easy one:
Hador is to Turin as
Turgon the Steward is to ______

[Miriel]

Really confused myself by examining the wrong Túrin and Hador ... but I think this should be Túrin II, Turgon's father?

[Firefoot]

I think it could be either Boromir or Faramir.

[NightKnight]

You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we?

[symestreem]

NightKnight, there were two Hadors and three Turins, so could you elaborate a bit? It could be either Boromir or Faramir, or Turin II. Both answers have been given before. Actually, it could also be Barahir's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild, but somehow I don't think that's the answer you're looking for. ;)

[Firefoot]

I would say Boromir or Faramir because Hador is Turin's great-grandfather and Turgon the Steward is Boromir's/Faramir's great grandfather.

[NightKnight]

Firefoot is correct.

[Firefoot]

River Sirion is to Doriath
as The Forest River is to _________

[Thorongil]

Probably Mirkwood. Sirion runs through Doriath and The Forest River runs through Mirkwood.

[Firefoot]

Yes.

[Thorongil]

Hmmm...

Bilbo is to Frodo

as

Beren is to _______

[Thorongil]

*bump*
Come on, folks. No guesses?

[Samwise]

I have no clue, but just to give you a guess.....
Thingol?

[Thorongil]

Well, CORRECT!
Nice guess!
The connection was the giving of something shiny. (Sting, silmaril)
Your turn.

[Samwise]

Whoa...Okay, let me think, here.....

Longo is to Mungo

as Isumbras IV is to_________.

[symestreem]

Longo was Mungo's son. Isumbras IV was the son of Gerontius Took, AKA the Old Took.

[Samwise]

Mmm...yes, but that's not exactly the connection I was looking for...(goes to check book again).

[EDIT] Yes, they were both sons, but there WAS something else I was looking for.

[Thorongil]

Longo were the third child of Mungo
Isumbras IV was the third child of Gerontius.

[Samwise]

That's it, Thorongil. Please proceed. ;)

[Thorongil]

symestreem got me on the track...

Galadriel is to Gimli
as
Gwaihir is to ______

[Samwise]

Gandalf?

[Thorongil]

That's the second time you took it on the first time. Your turn again.

[Samwise]

Okay....

I hope I've got this right....

Isildur is to the One Ring,

as

Durin is to __________

[The Saucepan Man]

The Balrog (Isildur's Bane and Durin's Bane).

[Samwise]

Of course, you are correct. Please give us the next puzzling puzzle, so to speak.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good-o. :)

OK, let's see if this works:

Erebor is to Beorn

as

Pelennor Fields is to ...

[Rimbaud]

Eowyn? (Knocking off the leader of the opposition (in the field)).

[Thorongil]

Ghan-buri-Ghan?

Both him and Beorn live near those places.

[The Saucepan Man]

Spot on, Rimbaud. Well done. :)

The floor is yours ...

[Rimbaud]

Aragorn is to Bree

as

Boromir is to _________.

[Arestevana]

Rivendell?

Aragorn met the hobbits in Bree, and Boromir met them in Rivendell.

[Rimbaud]

Nice 'n' easy. Your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Beleriand is to First Age

as

Númenor is to _______.

[NightKnight]

Second Age?

[Samwise]

Third?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we?

Elenrod breaks into an evil grin.

[Samwise]

?....Because I have no clue and just guessed. *shrugs*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

There's a good reason...

No.

A few days later...

Oh, all right. The thread is yours, Master Gardener. :)

EDIT: Oh, and the theme was "Foundered lands from this age."

[Samwise]

I'll have to take your word for it, 'cause I honestly had no clue.

Frodo is to the One Ring as

Sam is to _______

There are a couple of different answers that could be correct on this one. May be easy....probably will be....;)

Good night.

zzzzzzz

[Sleepy Ranger]

Frodo is to the One Ring as

Sam is to His pots and pans

[Samwise]

Frodo is to the One Ring as

Sam is to His pots and pans

Yup. Your go.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I must have had rocks in my head: It was NK who was correct. Sorry. :o :rolleyes:

[NightKnight]

It's ok, but it made me wonder... :confused:

[Arvedui III]

*Bump*

NightKnight?

[Samwise]

...since NightKnight was supposed to take his turn. Someone else can go. ;)

[Fingolfin II]

Well if nobody wants it:

Fingon is to Maedhros as

Carcharoth is to _______

[Samwise]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon5.gif

~Sam, the clueless Hobbit

[Sleepy Ranger]

Beren.
Both lost a hand due to the other.

[Fingolfin II]

Sleepy's got it :).

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sam is to Rosie
as
Celebrimbor is to ______

[Evisse the Blue]

Galadriel?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Finwe.
Both Sam and Celebrimbor left the land where they lived for another land after Rose and Finwe died.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Galadriel it is. Good job Evisse.

[Samwise]

But Galadriel's husband was Celeborn , not Celebrimbor. :confused:

[Sleepy Ranger]

But Celebrimbor had something for Galadriel.
Sam was attracted to Rosie
and Celebrimbor to Galadriel

[Samwise]

I see. The similar names threw me. :confused: :p

[Evisse the Blue]

Frodo is to the Ring as
Gimli is to ________.

(yes, I know what you're thinking: she couldn't come up with a better one... :rolleyes: )

[NightKnight]

The strands of hair he got from Galadriel?

[Samwise]

His axe(s)? Something they both carried? :confused:

[Evisse the Blue]

NightKnight got it, according to what I had in mind. Frodo is the Ringbearer, while Gimli is referred to at least once as the Lockbearer.

[NightKnight]

Boromir is to Merry

as

Fili is to ______

[Sleepy Ranger]

Bilbo?

[Fingolfin II]

Thorin? Boromir died trying to save Merry and Fili died trying to save Thorin.

[NightKnight]

Fingolfin, you have it. Please proceed! :)

[Fingolfin II]

Brodda is to Aerin as

Eol is to _________

[Firefoot]

Aredhel?

[Fingolfin II]

Good stuff.

[Firefoot]

Isildur is to Minas Morgul

as

Anarion is to ________

[Thorongil]

Minas Tirith?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Arnor?

[Firefoot]

Thorongil has it.

[Bombadil]

I have SATs coming up soon, so I need some analogy practice here! I'll renew it with an easy one to get things rolling:

Feanor is to The Silmarils

as

Sauron is to ____________

[Samwise]

The rings?

[NightKnight]

The One Ring, rather.

[Bombadil]

correct Knightnight!

*NightKnight sry :rolleyes:

[NightKnight]

Barahir is to Gorlim

as

Turgon is to ______

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Maeglin

[NightKnight]

Yeppers.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

OK...
The Teleri is to The Eldar

as

The Nandor is to ___________

[Thorongil]

The Teleri?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Correct, Thorongil. Proceed

[Thorongil]

Tuor is to Gondolin
as
Turin is to _______

[NightKnight]

Nargothrond?

[Fingolfin II]

Doriath?

[Thorongil]

Fingolfin II is correct.

[Fingolfin II]

Cool.

Thrain is to Erebor as

Elendil is to _______

[NightKnight]

Arnor?

[Thorongil]

Andunie?

[Fingolfin II]

Nope.

[NightKnight]

Gondor?

[Fingolfin II]

Yes.

[NightKnight]

Beleg is to Belthronding

as

Gorhtol is to ______

[luthien-elvenprincess]

the Dragon-Helm

[NightKnight]

Indeed.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Agh..I am finding it hard to think of one.

Well, here goes...

Gurthang is to Turin
as
_________ is to Ugluk

[Bombadil]

black feathered arrows?

[symestreem]

Guthwine?

[Fingolfin II]

Eomer?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Fingolfin II is right!

[symestreem]

Fingolfin II?

[Fingolfin II]

Ooops...

Celegorm is to Luthien as
Morgoth is to ________

[NightKnight]

Luthien again?

[symestreem]

Hurin?

[Fingolfin II]

NightKnight has it.

[NightKnight]

Gimli is to Pippin

as

Gwaihir is to ______

[Fingolfin II]

Gandalf?

[NightKnight]

No.

[Fingolfin II]

Wait, I think I have it now!

Frodo/Sam?

[NightKnight]

Yep.

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers.

Maeglin is to Idril as
Thingol is to ________

[Son of Númenor]

I'm going to venture the obvious guess and say Melian.

[Fingolfin II]

Wrong.

[Bombadil]

Beren?

[symestreem]

The Nauglamir/Silmaril?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Galadriel

[Fingolfin II]

Symestreem has it!

[symestreem]

Morwen is to Hurin as
_________ is to Bilbo.

[Evisse the Blue]

Hmmm, interesting one.
I'll say Frodo, because they both stood by their dying loved ones, and saw them much changed after a long absence.

[Firefoot]

I'll say Dudo Baggins because he is Bilbo's cousin's husband's brother, which is what Húrin is to Morwen.

[symestreem]

No, think of similar events.

[Evisse the Blue]

Thorin then? Because Bilbo saw Thorin die and Hurin saw Morwen die.

[symestreem]

Yes. :( Poor Thorin.

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, I felt really sorry for him too. :(

Really easy one up:
Eowyn is to Aragorn
as _________ is to Turin

[Fingolfin II]

Finduilas?

[Evisse the Blue]

Right you are!

[Fingolfin II]

Morgoth is to Fingolfin

as

Earnur is to _________

[Bombadil]

The Witch-King?

[Fingolfin II]

Spot on.

[Bombadil]

Adanedhel is to Thingol

as

Estel is to _____

[NightKnight]

Elrond?

[Bombadil]

hey dol! Correct! :smokin:

[NightKnight]

Beregond is to the citadel of Minas Tirith

as

________ is to Cirith Ungol

[Sirithheruwen]

Shelob? Because she guards Cirith Ungol?
Or Sauron? Becuase he guards Cirith Ungol (in a way)?
Or Gollum? Becuase Beregond practically worsips Minas Tirith and Gollum worships Shelob who lives in Cirith Ungol?

Those are the three I can't decide between. :rolleyes:
Am I even allowed to post more than one guess? :confused:

[elronds_daughter]

is it Shagrat? i'm thinking that beregond was a soldier at Minas Tirith and Shagrat was a soldier at Cirith Ungol.

[NightKnight]

Sirithheruwen is quite close, but not there yet. Maybe I should clearify: with Cirith Ungol I mean the watch tower.

[Sleepy Ranger]

The Silent watchers?

[NightKnight]

Yes. :)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Well I'm not so good at quizzes and this should be fairly easy.

Sauron is to Morgoth
as
Saruman is to __________

[NightKnight]

Aulë?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Yup.

[NightKnight]

Huan is to Luthien

as

Thorondor is to ______

[Sleepy Ranger]

Gandalf?

[Bombadil]

Fingolfin?

[Fingolfin II]

Turgon?

[NightKnight]

All wrong.

[Firefoot]

Húrin?

[NightKnight]

Yeah. I would have accepted Huor and Fingon as well.

[Firefoot]

Thanks.

Merry is to Holdwine
as
Aragorn is to ________

[Bombadil]

Strider?

[Mad Baggins]

Thorongil?

[Thorongil]

Elessar?

[NightKnight]

Wingfoot?

[Firefoot]

NightKnight has it.

[NightKnight]

Athelas is to Kingsfoil

as

Aglarond is to ______

[Thorongil]

The Glittering Caves?

[NightKnight]

Yes. Too easy, wasn't it?

[Thorongil]

Well, not the hardest question I've seen...

Galadriel is to Merry
as
_________ is to Pippin.

[NightKnight]

Galadriel?

[Thorongil]

Yup. Kind of obvious, wasn't it?

[NightKnight]

Actually, yes. They were together the only times they met her (Lothlorien, Minas Tirith & going home, Grey Havens). :D

The Silmarils are to the Two Trees

as

The Phial of Galadriel is to _______

[Firefoot]

Eärendil's star?

[NightKnight]

Yes. :)

[Bombadil]

I've seen Firefoot around, so I know she just forgot about this awesome thread! ;) Here's your reminder! :p

[Firefoot]

Oh! Oops.

Thorin is to the key to the secret door

as

Frodo is to _________.

[Mad Baggins]

The Ring?

[Firefoot]

yes

[Evisse the Blue]

Fish is to Gollum

as
________ are to Frodo.

[NightKnight]

Lembas?

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope! ;)

[NightKnight]

Freedom? Gollum got caught (by Faramir & co.) when he tried to catch fish, Frodo by Shelob when he tried to "catch" freedom.

[Evisse the Blue]

Uh, no, you're looking too hard. Your first guess was much closer.

[Thorongil]

Stewed rabbit?

[Evisse the Blue]

hint: they're extensively mentioned in the chapter currently discussed in the reading room. ;)

[Firefoot]

Mushrooms!

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep! :)

[Firefoot]

Frodo is to Lothlórien

as

Aragorn is to ____________

[Sleepy Ranger]

Rivendell

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[NightKnight]

Alqualonde?

[Firefoot]

No.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Minas Tirith?

[Fingolfin II]

Lothlorien also?

[Firefoot]

Neither.

[Firefoot]

Anybody?

Big hint: it has to do with someone they both saw for the first time there.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Cerin Amroth. Aragorn never came there again, and I believe that somewhere it says that Frodo never came again to Lorien.

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it the Argonath?

[Firefoot]

No.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it Celeborn?

[Firefoot]

No.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Incredibly Wild Guess... Is it Galadriel?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

The place that is the answer is no where in Lothlórien.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Bree?

[Firefoot]

Nope.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it Isengard? Or maybe Saruman?
:confused:

[Firefoot]

Neither. The answer is a place.

[paavo]

the dead marshes? they both saw Gollum for the first time.

[Firefoot]

Correctomundo, paavo!

[paavo]

ok, an easy one.

Pippin's son is to Faramir
as
Frodo is to ___________

[Firefoot]

Frodo Gardener, Sam's son?

[paavo]

yes, indeed.

[Firefoot]

Turgon is to Gandalf

as

Elendil is to ________.

[Fingolfin II]

Aragorn?

[Firefoot]

Yes!

[paavo]

ten day rule! :p

Lorien is to Gimli
as ______ is to Eomer.

[NightKnight]

Minas Tirith?

[paavo]

that's the one.

[NightKnight]

Sam is to Bag End

as

Barliman Butterbur is to ________

[Thorongil]

The Prancing Pony?

[NightKnight]

Yuppers.

[NightKnight]

Your turn. :)

[Thorongil]

Eowyn is to Merry

as

Gandalf is to _____

[Firefoot]

Pippin?

[Thorongil]

Yes, but...
You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we

[Firefoot]

On the way to Gondor, Eowyn took Merry on her horse with her, and Gandalf took Pippin on Shadowfax.

[Thorongil]

Correct!

[Firefoot]

Moria is to Bill the Pony

as

Edoras is to _______.

[paavo]

Wormtongue? Bill the pony had to leave to home when the fellowship entered moria and Grima had to leave "home" also when gandalf and comp. entered Edoras.

[Firefoot]

Nope.