Battles

[Nerwen]

Could it be... oh, I don't know... something like... The Battle of Greenfields?

[The Might]

I hate to take it away from you Lommy but you must realise it was one Google away from you. :D
Take it, Nerwen!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hate to take it away from you Lommy but you must realise it was one Google away from you. :D

Just a note to this: not sure what Lommy was thinking, but I think using just one's own wisdom (or "wisdom" ;) ) is better and ultimately, more interesting if nothing else (just look now - she wouldn't have written this funny former post had she looked it up in the first place :D ).

[Nerwen]

Ahem. Google = cheating.

What battle was named after something that was named after it?

[Thinlómien]

Well, yes, Miggy, I knew I could have googled it or even looked it from the books, but I thought it fairer to go by what I remembered. Anyway, I do not mean that it was wrong to give the thread to Nerwen in any way since she knew it and obviously the name itself was the difficult part of the question, not realising what you were talking about. (By the way, I had a slight and eerie hunch that Nerwen will come to the thread and post the actual name of the battle and just see what happened... :eek: )

Anyway, no, I have absolutely no clue what Nerwen is talking about right now :D but I might as well guess. The Battle of the Five Armies*, mayhaps? In a way it would fit the description, but it sounds a little far-fetched...

*see, at least I knew this one's name and didn't say something like "The Battle at the end of TH" ;)

[Nerwen]

Sorry, it is not the Battle of Five Armies.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know... something like... Battle of Nanduhirion, eh?

[Nerwen]

No. Nothing like Battle of Nanduhirion.:p

Clue: think about etymology.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This is soooooo wrong, but I have yet to post in this thread.

Battle of the Camp?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

no no no no. . .forget what I said. . .I just realised that it must be (hopefully)

The Battle of Dagorlad

[Thinlómien]

That was smart, Rune. :)

[Nerwen]

Nice work, Rune.:)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thanks

It was kind of weird. . . . At first I thought it had something to do with Anfauglith, but realised that the name had nothing to do with the battle and the "camp" thing was just a bad guess.

Which battle took place at the highest location?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, maybe Gandalf's battle with the Balrog on Zirakzigil, eh?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am looking for a specifick name for the battle. . .

No googling!

(although I don't think there is anything wrong with reading through the books to find the answer)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Heck, I don't know how it is in English. :) But I know how it is named in Czech, would that suffice? :p Anyway, it would be something like Battle on the Top or Battle on the Spire, maybe?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Battle on the Spire is close. . .sort of.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I don't have the books here right now, so I looked it up on the net. But I don't consider that cheating because I knew what the name is, just not from the original books, and it's not my fault that in fact it's one level more difficult for me to write the right answer (in fact, it's a handicap, because even when I know the name in one language, I still need to look it up in English). Battle of the Peak.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hahaha

It is incredible what excuses people use to convince them selves that they have not bent the rules. . . ;)

Have you never read LotR in English?

I mean we are many who have another first language than English and at times only remember the answer in our first language. . . anyways take it away, if nobody else had answered tonight I would have handed the thread over to you anyways.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It is incredible what excuses people use to convince them selves that they have not bent the rules. . . ;)

Have you never read LotR in English?

I mean we are many who have another first language than English and at times only remember the answer in our first language. . . anyways take it away, if nobody else had answered tonight I would have handed the thread over to you anyways.

Well I did read it in English, but not that many times. I remember most of the names and things (but actually I believe only from the time I came on the Downs and started to use them more frequently, mind you!), but not all, of course. And in any case, I don't consider that an attempt to excuse myself of something - I think as a non-native English speaker too, you can relate: I know the answer, and the fact that I don't know what the precise translation is (Top, Spire, Peak - all of that are the options when I try to translate it back) a detail. The important thing we are trusting each other in here is not cheating in the way that one would google something on the net without really knowing what it is. But if you think even finding the translation of a thing you know is cheating, we may as well consider that a "rule", although I think it puts the non-native speakers into a serious disadvantage.

Aaanyway... let's bring in the new question:

There was a leader who is most famous for taking part in a certain battle, and his name has become associated with that battle in a certain way. This battle had a major impact on the history of Middle-Earth. Thirty-five years later, the leader died in another battle. What two battles are we talking about here?

[Nerwen]

The Field of Celebrant and the battle with Easterlings in the Wold where Eorl died (Eorl being the party in question).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Exactly, your turn.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nerwen! :p

[Nerwen]

Here I am!

Who was defeated in the Battle of the Gwathló?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Was it the forces of Sauron?
(by the Numenorians?)

[Nerwen]

You've got it, Rune.

Thread's yours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am really happy about getting that one right as I was not sure at all.

hmmm what to ask. . .

Name 3 of the most prominent characters who fought in the battle of Nanduhirion

[Nerwen]

Thráin, Náin, Azog.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The thread is yours again

[Nerwen]

How many of the aforementioned trio had sons who fought in the Battle of Five Armies?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My answer would be Thrain and Dain

Thrain - Thorin (oakenshield)

Nain - Dain (Ironfoot) - I think


Now Azog also had a son "Bolg" but I don't think he took part of the battle. . .infact I can only remember him being mentioned in the battle of 5 armies.

[Nerwen]

Alas, you remember wrong.

Try again.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have checked again and I cannot find my mistake, maybe Bolg is mentioned in some book I do not have. . .

wait. . .hahaha. . . I see my mistake.

I wrote Dain instead of Nain

I of course ment to write Thrain and Nain

[Nerwen]

Yes... but you're still wrong.

[Eönwë]

How many of the aforementioned trio had sons who fought in the Battle of Five Armies?

Now Azog also had a son "Bolg" but I don't think he took part of the battle. . .infact I can only remember him being mentioned in the battle of 5 armies.

What?


So I would go with all three, then.

[Nerwen]

You've got it, Eönwë.

Sorry, Rune, but Bolg was at the Battle of Five Armies. He got killed by Beorn.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was not wrong at all!

I just answered the wrong question. . .

For some reason I managed to confuse which battle you where talking about, so I gave the correct answer to what I thought you asked, but not to what you actually asked.

[Longrun1]

Now it's correct.

[The Saucepan Man]

Eönwë?

[Eönwë]

I can't think of anything.

Someone else can take it if they want.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, to get something going.

Name at least five battles in which Hobbits were present. (Who makes it six or more, gets a big invisible plus.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Battle of Five Armies
Battle of Bywater
Battle of Greenfields
Battle of Pelennor Fields
Battle of the Morannon

(not quite sure if it is the actual names of battles)

[Mnemosyne]

Battle of Five Armies
Battle of Bywater
Battle of Greenfields
Battle of Pelennor Fields
Battle of the Morannon

(not quite sure if it is the actual names of battles)

And whichever battle(s) occurred in defense of the Northern Kingdom against Angmar.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well done. Not hard, was it...

By the way, when I spoke of six, apart from those you named, I was thinking of the Battle of Fornost...

Take the thread, Rune!

EDIT: x-ed. Okay, Mnemo, you get the big invisible plus I promised ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just got to think about these: battle of Isengard and I guess they must also have taken part of "the war of the last alliance". . . didn't all races participate?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Which battle took place at a location that almost rhymes with "Free Will Whale"?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You mean Dimrill Dale? :)

I just got to think about these: battle of Isengard and I guess they must also have taken part of "the war of the last alliance". . . didn't all races participate?

Well, practically there really never was any "battle of Isengard". Ents just came and destroyed whatever they found, while some remaining Orcs or Dunlendings were running away screaming or drowning, and Saruman also ran away. The only thing they fought against was at one point the liquid fire of Orthanc. Not sure if it qualifies as a "proper" battle.

And for the Last Alliance, that's an interesting question - probably, at least on first sight, not (maybe it even says somewhere that there were just "Elves, Men and Dwarves" - at least I recall somewhere it's enumerated how Dwarves fought on both sides, but just very few of them. Hence, who knows. Also, the Hobbits didn't play any important role until 3rd Age. On the other hand, they could have been omitted from the records, as Merry and Pippin pointed out to Treebeard. Okay, enough rant :) ).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

You mean Dimrill Dale? :)



Well, practically there really never was any "battle of Isengard". Ents just came and destroyed whatever they found, while some remaining Orcs or Dunlendings were running away screaming or drowning, and Saruman also ran away. The only thing they fought against was at one point the liquid fire of Orthanc. Not sure if it qualifies as a "proper" battle.

And for the Last Alliance, that's an interesting question - probably, at least on first sight, not (maybe it even says somewhere that there were just "Elves, Men and Dwarves" - at least I recall somewhere it's enumerated how Dwarves fought on both sides, but just very few of them. Hence, who knows. Also, the Hobbits didn't play any important role until 3rd Age. On the other hand, they could have been omitted from the records, as Merry and Pippin pointed out to Treebeard. Okay, enough rant :) ).

Then why does the battle of the peak count? only two beings was involved in that, less than when the ents attacked.

Anyways I don't recall any battle called "dimrill dale"

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh sorry, "which battle" was the question. Battle of Azanulbizar.

As for Battle of the Peak... I guess it counts only because it was called "battle" :rolleyes: :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh sorry, "which battle" was the question. Battle of Azanulbizar.

As for Battle of the Peak... I guess it counts only because it was called "battle" :rolleyes: :D
Correct. . .

Surely it should have been named "The Brawl of the Peak" :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, actually the Battle of the Peak never really took place: the name was invented by Gandalf when he was speaking about what if somebody saw the battle, how they could make songs about it. And he demented even that rightaway, saying that even people who saw it won't be able to discern it from a raging thunderstorm. :) Hm, certainly it seems that it was epic enough for a battle, though.

Anyway... let's make another question, then... name four places, which have been besieged (or basically, which were the target location of an army involved in a battle for it) for one, two, three and four times. Neither of these places can belong to the same race! I.e. if you say for example a Dwarven city that has been besieged for one time, then for the places assailed for two, three or four times you need to find places which did not belong to the Dwarves. Mixed defenders count together as another, separate race (i.e. you can include for example a Dwarven city 1x, a different mixed Dwarf-Hobbit city 2x, a Hobbit city 3x etc. But personally I doubt you will find many chances to use this rule). Minor characters appearing in the siege, such as one random Elf among ten thousand Dwarves, of course do not count among the "defender race".

So I want four names from you, you can include the race and the number of battles of this place in brackets after it or something like that.

[The Saucepan Man]

Not that I am pernickity or anything, but ...

Name at least five battles in which Hobbits were present.Only one Hobbit was present at the Battle of Five Armies, so Hobbits were not present. :p

Anyway, to the question at hand:

Greenfields (Hobbits) - Once (Orcs defeated by the Bullroarer)
Erebor (Dwarves) - Twice (The Battle of Five Armies and during the War of the Ring)
Lothlorien (Elves) - Thrice (Three attacks during the War of the Ring)
Osgiliath (Men) - Four times (Last Alliance, the Kinslaying, when the east bank was lost and finally when it was overrun during the War of the Ring).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Very nice and well done :) I was partially leaving it open to see what examples people are going to use, nice that you remembered Erebor, I was wondering if people are going to use it. Of course Lórien was obvious, that was what made me think of the question in the first place. Your turn.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you Legate.:)

So, next question:

Name six battles with the name of a river in their title.

[The Might]

Ok...

Battle of Bywater
Battle of the Crossings of Erui
Battle of the Gwathló
First Battle of the Fords of Isen
Second Battle of the Fords of Isen
Battle of the Field of Celebrant

I hope separating the battles of the Fords of Isen isn't cheating. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hope separating the battles of the Fords of Isen isn't cheating. :D

I wanted originally to ask the same question :D I presumed not, though since I couldn't make it six (I have been also wondering if Bywater counts), I decided not to ask until I know at least something more :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Those are the six that I had.

I hope separating the battles of the Fords of Isen isn't cheating.Most certainly not. They were two separate battles. The thread is yours. :)

[The Might]

I somehow forgot to ask a new one back then, so I'll do so now:

Which item once owned by a dragon was part of the Battle of Bywater?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The horn of the Mark, originally taken from Scatha's treasure by the ancestors of Rohirrim (resp. Fram and his heirs).

[The Might]

Meh... and I expected this to be a bit more difficult.
Your turn, of course. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Bah, come on :D

Okay, tell me the location of three battles happening more or less at the same place, each of them featuring a surprise attack by at least one party. Two of them took place at the very same spot. All of them were won by the same side. All the three commanders of the victorious parties gained a prestige position within a year from the battle.

[The Might]

The first two battles are quite clear for me:

Battle of the Morannon - took place between Dagorlad and the Black Gate - was a surprise attack by Gondor and Rohan, as Sauron had not expected this, perhaps the arrival of the eagles was another big surprise - was won by Gondor and Rohan - in this case both Aragorn and Eomer became kings of their kingdoms

Battle of the Camp - took place close to Dagorlad in northern Ithilien - there was a suprise attack by the Wainriders against the northern army, later also a surprise attack by Earnil against the Wainriders - was won by Gondor - Earnil became king

The third I suppose should be:

Battle of Dagorlad - took place on Dagorlad - perhaps here the attack on the Elves of Lorien led by Amdir who were pushed into the Dead Marshes - was a victory for Gondor - bit difficult here concerning the commander, it would have to be Elendil, but already had a prestigious position

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, as you see, no, that's not it, there are things which don't fit. Note please that I am asking first and foremost about the location of these battles, not about the names of the battles themselves *hint hint*. Yes, we might be talking also some battle(s) which did not exactly earn a name... battle(s) nonetheless, but not necessarily battle(s) with big B (but important enough to be possible to know, nothing totally random and obscure).