Another mistranslation

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Who is the speaker and why does he say what he says?<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;Well!&quot; mentioned merrily. &quot;Then I would like it the dinner first and afterwards a whistle&quot; at this its opacifié. Face &quot;Not, not a whistle. I do not think that I will still smoke&quot;
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What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

I'm not sure of the setting, but it sounds like Gandalf taking up a new resolve after becoming Gandalf the White.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

To me it sounds like Merry Brandybuck waking up in the Houses of Healing, feeling hungry, but not wanting to smoke again from reget at the loss of his friend the King of Rohan, Theoden.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

AHHHHH! Didn't figure out the &quot;merrily&quot; part!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

How confusing, I thought Kittle was right.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

I believe that I am, galpsi, and that Boromir is just showing frustration that HE didn't ick up on the 'merrily' part. Only burrahobbit can save us now.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

RKittle is correct. Sorry to post and run like that.

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

No apologies neccesary, burrahobbit. Here's a new quote.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> It this of the breaks a thing, in order to uncover, what it is left the way of the wisdom.<hr></blockquote>

English &gt; French &gt; German &gt; English

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

I know it, I know it!
One of my absolute favourite scenes: Gandalf reports at the Council of Elrond how he came to Isengard. Saruman and Gandalf there talked about Saruman´s new many-coloured cloak, and Gandalf says he liked white better. Saruman replies that white light can be broken into many new colours, but Gandalf points out that in this case it is no longer white (i.e. pure), and he remarks that &quot;he who breaks a thing to find out how it works inside has left the past of wisdom&quot;. This is your meddled quote. Didn´t look that up.

</p>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000003>Sharku</A> at: 7/6/00 12:28:54 pm

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Very good, Sharku!! It is one of my favorite lines of Gandalf's (and indeed, of the books).

Your turn!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Here goes:

&quot;These bits of the rise can have seated in the edge to damage and to examine or to say the joys of the vector of the small acts of its parents, grandparents and the parents and the degree of the cousins nineth they had separated one, if animates with disproportioned the patience.&quot;

( German -&gt; French -&gt; English -&gt; Spanish -&gt; English -&gt; Portugese -&gt; English. Silly babelfish with too few possibilities.)

Shouldn´t be toooo hard, but it´s funny what got translated to &quot;pieces of luggage&quot;, later &quot;bits of the rise&quot;...

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

This is Gandalf warning Theoden that Hobbits will &quot;sit on the edge of ruin discussing the pleasures of the table or the doings of their grandfathers,&quot; etc...

</p>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000201>galpsi</A> at: 7/10/00 7:53:07 pm

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Yes!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Aw, man! I had it on the tip of my tongue but just couldn't identify the occasion. Good job, G.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Boy are these time-consuming.
Who said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> We led in direction outside orcs great sector of protection and barrier. We empty much in the sun shining in the dale.<hr></blockquote>
and in what context?


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Tell me if I'm warm or cold ....is this Merry and Pippin somewhere in Rohan of possibly even within the borders of Fangorn?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

hypothermic

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Sam and Frodo among the orc host?

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

No. This may have been too obscure. As a hint, remember that your old friend galpsi is a terrible dwarf-enthusiast. That's why he's never been a big fan of the Silmarillion.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Sounds like a reading from the book found in the Chamber of Records.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

It is precisely that. The original read:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> We drove out orcs from the great gate and guard room. We slew many in the bright sun in the dale.<hr></blockquote>
Ask us!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Who said this garbled quote? And what were the circumstances?
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Forward you go! For the hour is bad, and your road leads to the pain, which do not designate the ye. <hr></blockquote>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

No guesses?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

You`ve baffled me, R. Not a difficult task, I must admit.

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Think 'ancient times'....

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Think 'Undying Land'!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

Is it an extract from the `Doom of the Noldor`?

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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That's right, Taimar. !!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Another mistranslation

I may be slow, but I got there in the end.

Here is another from the Silmarillion:

&quot;none shall stand here, lest down anger the Valar. Danger I assume me, the sake of the two families.&quot;

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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Earendil or Ulmo

But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?</p>

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I think it is Earendil

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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Yeah, I think I just answered it untranslated in another thread. But is Taimar still around?

They cannot conquer forever!</p>

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Can someone explain how this thread works? I feel like I've travelled into the Twilight Zone?

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http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000013pub12.ezboard.com/fthebar...D=13.topic</a>

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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Go ahead, KayQy

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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&quot;If the men have a use of the lover of the magic that continues to having in golden wood, therefore it can try after other things in order following.&quot;

They cannot conquer forever!</p>

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If Men have dealings with the Mistress of Magic who dwells in the Golden Wood, then they may look for strange things to follow. (Faramir)

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You are the winner of an all-expenses-paid chance to--drumroll please...

Give us the next quote!

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'All this is but a fool-fire of the Elves, those who seek to beguile newcomers that are unwary. Which of you has seen the Sea, who has beheld the Orcs, who are least of the Gods? ? the Dark King in the North has no shore. There is no Elvish West in the Light. lore? tales! You have followed to the end of the world!'

Sounds horrible, doesn't it?

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Yes, and only one being could say something so horribly: Sauron to the Numenoreans.

They cannot conquer forever!</p>

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But there were others too capable of saying similar things. This certainly was not said by Sauron :)

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Amlach -- or a spy of Morgoth impersonating Amlach -- to the others council of men,

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Correct:) ask on

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We still meet before the end. I give the joy of thee that thou hast more thy bruder finally found. And thou shalt maintained know it: more stabber in darkly, dishonorable at the enemies perfidiously at the friends and on unto malédiction its family members. But the worst of all its feeling shalt the Vertrags thou in thyself.

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Hail Nienor, daughter of Húrin. We meet again ere the end. I give thee joy that thou hast found thy brother at last. And now thou shalt know him: a stabber in the dark, treacherous to foes, faithless to friends, and a curse unto his kin, Túrin son of Húrin! But the worst of all his deeds thou shalt feel in thyself

Glaurung to Nienor/Niniel

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Exactly right H-I.

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Another way to produce mistranslations is to take quote of some translated piece (here is the Russian one), and translate it back into the language of the original. Once we (me and several of my friends) have had lot of fun thus translating verses to and fro. So, I’m well pleased to present to your attention the quote below:

You knew it very well, I deem! How can you tell me you did not know that your behavior is stupid and foolish? You knew it, and kept telling the truth to yourself, yet did not obey your own wisdom. And I did not warn you, for truly nothing was clear until now, but even if I was to warn you, you would not listen to me, but perform your foolishness even more eagerly. And now, having burn your tongue on a hot milk, you will be wary with a cold water, and will lend your ears to good advice

who, to whom + circumstances

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Was that Gandalf to Pippin after he stole the palantir?

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Correct. Compare it now with the original heh:

You knew it very well, I deem! How can you tell me you did not know that your behavior is stupid and foolish? You knew it, and kept telling the truth to yourself, yet did not obey your own wisdom. And I did not warn you, for truly nothing was clear until now, but even if I was to warn you, you would not listen to me, but perform your foolishness even more eagerly. And now, having burn your tongue on a hot milk, you will be wary with a cold water, and will lend your ears to good advice

'Oh yes, you had,' said Gandalf. 'You knew you were behaving wrongly and foolishly; and you told yourself so, though you did not listen. I did not tell you all this before, because it is only by musing on all that has happened that I have at last understood, even as we ride together. But if I had spoken sooner, it would not have lessened your desire, or made it easier to resist. On the contrary! No, the burned hand teaches best. After that advice about fire goes to the heart

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Re: Another mistranslation

Very amusing, esp. the Russian version of &quot;the burned hand teaches best&quot;. Ok try this mangled tranlsation:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Do ain't something of bone-pate you tin backing she in the name of all wonder do not touch this say furrier anew as lank as you I'm with z hundred mile vis-a-vis thereof bear, not rug, headland, tippet, coupling not as unlike such unfrequented say. <hr></blockquote>

I swear, that's how it came out.


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Re: Another mistranslation

That last one was just TOO garbled -- try this one instead:

There everlasting your naked self will bear the harass of him disdain, penetrated by being eyes, unless she hear me the rule over your tower.


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[The X Phial]

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Re: Another mistranslation

Is that Morgoth talking to Hurin, condemming him to watch his family destroyed? (This is probably wrong, but I thought I'd take a stab at it).

-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[HerenIstarion]

Nay, that's Luthien to Sauron upon Tol Sirion

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Re: Another mistranslation

H-I wins the prize, and can ask the next question. However, I must say that X Phial has a very cool .gif, so he/she wins . . . . Greek kudos.

The original quote was Gandalf to Bilbo before entering Beorn's house (about not using the word &quot;furrier&quot; etc.), which I translated from english to Russian to Polish back to eEglish, thereby destroying all remaining meaning.

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[HerenIstarion]

Next one

I have not brought snow on this hillock. She is walking in of the South for those who are doomed to go on feet, and a little wreath of a gleam of good hope troubles her not at all. But I have brought back the blue fields

[KayQy]

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Re: Next one...

This is Legolas to Gandalf on Caradhras. But where did that translation come from? It looks like a jigsaw puzzle of the phrases.

Truth will outlast both fact and fiction.</p>

[HerenIstarion]

Correct. as for a 'translation', mea culpa, I just replaced the words a bit so to mask the real quote.

[KayQy]

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Re: Next one...

Oh, okay. Here's mine. It's a direct translation from the Spanish edition where an expression has been changed (not as colorful as hot milk, I'm afraid<img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> ).
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Now the truth will come to light!<hr></blockquote>

Truth will outlast both fact and fiction.</p>

[HerenIstarion]

KayQy, I'm giving up :)

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Re: Next one...

Gandalf to Frodo when he throws the ring into the fire?

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Re: Next one...

Hey, I just wanted to bring this thread out of the dark. I know it's against the rules, but KayQ hasn't come back for over 2 months. And there is the One Week Rule backing me up.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;Few now remember them, yet some still go wandering, sons of forgotten kings walking in lonliness, guarding from evil things folk that are heedless.&quot;<hr></blockquote>

Who said this, and to whom.


"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000064>GandaIf The White</A> at: 6/25/01 5:34:04 pm

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Mistranslation?

Was that Gandalf to Frodo, about the Rangers?

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Re: Mistranslation?

No.

http://www.netpulze.com/YaBBImages/uploads/HobbitSig.jpgwww.netpulze.com/YaBBImages/uploads/HobbitSig.jpg</a>

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

[HerenIstarion]

Tom muttering to himself

Yet that is not mistranslation, but a direct quote :)

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Re: Mistranslation?

True.. sorry about that H-I. And you are correct.
Sorry for the delay but my DSL connection went down for 2 days.

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

[HerenIstarion]

'Stop him! Don't let him go! ' cried ____
'I wonder? ' said ____. `He is the Bear, and the fate of the bears is on him. I do not think that it is our part to drive him one way or the other. Nor do I think that we should succeed, if we tried. There are other powers at work far stronger.'

[Manwe]

The first is Sam and the second is Aragon. Bear?

[HerenIstarion]

:D

Bear-bearer

Ask on

[Manwe]

I have no good quote right now, so you can ask. I'll be back when I got one.

[Manwe]

Here is one directly translated from swedish, it's not very hard but it's diffrent from the original:
No, eagles are no bears, I mean forks
(bears again)
who says this and about what?

[Lostgaeriel]

Is that Bilbo to Dori, trying to clarify his "piece of bacon" comment about how it feels to be carried by an eagle? The original English being, "O no! Not a bit like storks - forks, I mean"?

[Manwe]

Right you are.

[Lostgaeriel]

The punctuation came out rather strange on this one, but it's not too difficult.

But I can say this: You have the air, husband, reminds me. Very good, Gandalf, witchcraft teacher.

[HerenIstarion]

that's Sam to Faramir in Ithilien. right quote goes:

Ah well, sir,you said my master had an elvish air and that was good and true. But I can say this: you have an air too, sir, that reminds me of, of – well, Gandalf, of wizards

[Lostgaeriel]

Yep! That's it. From English to Chinese and back to English. I like how "sir" translates to "husband".

[HerenIstarion]

wow, chinese?

Make no more predictions! We’ll die for sure in the wilderness, and threat at the entrance is of less certainity, whatever you say. Go on, show me the way!

[Voronwe]

That was Tuor to Voronwe:

"Forebode no more. Death in the wild is certain; and death at the Gate is yet in doubt to me, for all your words. Lead me still on!"

-Voronwe

[Voronwe]

HerenIstarion?

-Voronwë

[HerenIstarion]

sorry, a bit preoccupied lately smilies/smile.gif

of course that's it. proceed

[Voronwe]

This shouldn't be too hard:

To the Elves for the advisor attorneys do not go, since they do not say and.

English->Italien->English->German->English

-Voronwë

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

do not go to the elves for advice for they will say both yes and no??? *the book's downstairs* Frodo to Haldir in Fellowship

[Voronwe]

Correct. Your turn.

-Voronwë

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

this isn't technically a "mistranslation" coz I didn't translate anything...so if it doesn't count then someone else can go smilies/smile.gif
the dog that barks may prove a friend

[HerenIstarion]

that must be something about Aragorn in Bree

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

certainly something to do with Aragorn...

[HerenIstarion]

uh huh
wild guess - all that is gold does not glitter?

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

mmhmm smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

well, something about foul looks and fair behavior?

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

lol sorry, "mmhmm" meant "yes, you're right...plz continue"
smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

heh smilies/smile.gif

ok, next one

come on, you brute! come on, I’ll pay the debts for my friend. Then we will go on, but first I’ll pay my debt to you! come here, and Ill entertain you with this again!

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

it's Sam in Moria when his blood's up after Frodo's been attacked

[HerenIstarion]

aye, correct.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

when I'm "home" I'm no longer awake; no longer truly alive; but simply in a kind of stupor

[KayQy]

Is that the next quote or a comment on your current mental state?

Assuming it's the first, I'm going to day it sounds like Frodo to Sam, either on the way to Mount Doom with the Ring taking more control, or after they go back to the Shire. I'm probably completely wrong, but I hope not. I need to redeem myself! I can't believe I forgot about a thread for nearly a year! (and if anyone's still curious, the original of that quote I put on page 2 is Pip saying to Merry, "It's coming out in a minute," when Frodo's about to spill the beans)

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

lol that was my mistranslation...and no, not Frodo to Sam

[HerenIstarion]

maybe Bilbo to Gandalf? this one:

Why, I feel all thin, sort of stretched, if you know what I mean: like butter that has been scraped over too much bread. That can’t be right. I need a change, or something

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

no smilies/smile.gif should I give a hint???

[KayQy]

pretty please

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

this is the way I feel about what Frodo says at one point, and I guess kinda my interpretation...maybe if you ignore the last part (the stupor part)it'll be easier

[Joy]

Is it Bilbo to Frodo at Rivendell?

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

Frodo says it in ROTK-come on guys smilies/smile.gif

[KayQy]

"Not to me," said Frodo. "To me it feels like falling asleep again."

No wonder I didn't get it earlier, he's replying to Merry, not Sam.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy smilies/smile.gif your turn

[KayQy]

Time to redeem myself...
Here mallorn a page of the dream is and and has inner the crumb small and more crumb in the gram.

[Joy]

Here mallorn a page of the dream is and and has inner the crumb small and more crumb in the gram.

I don't know if I have to put the direct quote or not, but here's my guess about the quote. It is speaking of Sam and the gift " of RotK. He had planted a garden all across the Shire and put the dust of Lorien over it. In the place of Bilbo's Party grew a Mallorn Tree.

[KayQy]

Good guess, but nope.

[HerenIstarion]

maybe it's a description of Galadriel's and Celeborn's palace?

Upon it, as a double crown, grew two circles of trees: the outer had bark of snowy white, and were leafless but beautiful in their shapely nakedness; the inner were mallorn-trees of great height, still arrayed in pale gold

[KayQy]

A bit closer, but still no.

'Dream' should be capitalized, if that helps any.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

It's Aragorn to Legolas and Gimli when they find the traces of Pippin and Merry eating lembas near the eaves of Fangorn. smilies/biggrin.gif
(It was the word crumb that gave it away, although where the word gram comes from in that quote, I have no idea.)

[ February 17, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[KayQy]

That's it! I don't know how grass got turned to gram either, but it makes it sound like something fattening! (Knew there had to be a catch to lembas...) smilies/wink.gif

Have at it, I'm going to disappear for a while into schoolwork... smilies/eek.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

You deform in the following mark, and then do not be they of another attack.

[Joy]

Gandalf to Frodo talking about the Morgul blade trying to pierce his heart. He said that If they succeded, you would have become like they are, only weaker and under their command. You would have become a wraith under the dominion of the Dark Lord...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nope!
Only thing I will say is that it was English to German to French and back again to English. smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

may it be description of 3 hobbits' jorney through the Shire?

Yet since that far cry they had seen and heard no sign that the enemy had marked their flight or followed them

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Still no! smilies/biggrin.gif
(This is one of my favorite quotes, by the way!) smilies/wink.gif

[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Lindolirian]

Bruce! Dude, you are crazy!! English to German to French back to English??? aaaahhhhh!!! ithink i'm gonna go hide in hole. Its too much for me.

[HerenIstarion]

well. may that be Beregond to Pippin on the walls of Minath-Tirith looking down at Nazgul and Faramir's troop?:

? See how they wheel and swoop, always down to that point over there!

"point over there" would be "following mark, "amd swooping - "another attack". But I can't make out "be no they of".

[Bruce MacCulloch]

It might be helpful if I expanded the quote a bit and also quoted the next sentence. You deform in the following mark, and then do not be they of another attack. You are now calm!There, maybe that will help someone.

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Gah! - The answer was there all the time ..

Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!

Too simple for a learned lore-master in these suspicious days .....

smilies/tongue.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh heh - I said all along that it was one of my favorite quotes! smilies/tongue.gif
Very well done, Mr. Heathertoes! You are correct, as usual. smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

uh huh smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Here's a chestnut ...

'Very skilfully and additionally a number of ....'

Said by who to whom and where ?

[HerenIstarion]

I'll utter a guess - it was said by ordinary goblin to Great Goblin in the Goblin cave under the Misty mountains

Several of our people were struck by lightning in the cave

skilfully refers to Gandalfs fireworkcraft?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Alas nope .. but I'll at least narrow the field by saying it was spoken in ROTK.

[HerenIstarion]

well, Denethor to Faramir about previous conversation, where Gandalf took part as well. additional number than must referr to Faramir's glances at Mithrandir checking how much it was allowed to say to Denethor:

See, you have spoken skilfully, as ever; but I, have I not seen your eye fixed on Mithrandir, seeking whether you said well or too much? He has long had your heart in his keeping

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Alas no..

[HerenIstarion]

*hums under his nose "neeveeer give it up, neeeever eveeer give it up, geeeeve it up!"

may it be Aragorn about ruined gate of Minas-Tirith:
[quote]In Erebor in the Kingdom of Dain there is such skill,and if all our hopes do not perish, then in time I will send Gimli Gloin’s son to ask for wrights of the Mountain.[quote]

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Like Macc above, I shall expand the quote slightly to help you all ..

'Very skilfully, and additionally a number of. You create my guffaw ....

[Joy]

Is it Treebeard to Gandalf?

Well, come now. You have proved mightiest, and all your labors have gone well.

[HerenIstarion]

I'm at a loss. what this idiom "create one's guffaw" may mean? make one laugh?

[HerenIstarion]

ye he he, and tha bottle of rom! smilies/rolleyes.gif

it means make one laugh after all
that's Saruman to Frodo in the Shire:

Quite capable,and more than a little. You made me laugh, you hobbit-lordlings, riding along with all those great people so secure and so pleased with your little selves

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Yay! ... Sterling work sir!

smilies/evil.gif

You can torment us all now with one of your own

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[HerenIstarion]

as was said above, I'm really very pleased with my little self, so I won't torment you smilies/smile.gif. perfectly easy, go ahead and crack it:

So, what happened? Is it so urgent you have to bother me? By Jove, no rest by day or night!

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Is it that Curumo again to his visitors at Orthanc?

'Well?' it said now with gentle question, 'Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?'

[Amaryllis]

could it be Smaug from the Red Book of Westmarch?

[Amaryllis]

oops forgot to say when. When Bilbo went down inside the Lonely Mountain.

[HerenIstarion]

Mat_Heathertoes gets it. smilies/smile.gif

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Ridiculously easy despite the butchering by freetranslation.com

There ourselves are position to the bed to sleep of the habit downward.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

We usually lie down to sleep Merry to Treebeard, when asked where the hobbits would stand to sleep.

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Correct as usual Macc smilies/biggrin.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Where it is our service search of the information, and where they were all the day you?

[HerenIstarion]

Gangalf to pippin?

'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nope!

[HerenIstarion]

well, hm, than maybe that's two orks in the Morgai talking between themselves?

Then what have you seen with them? Garn! You don’t even know what you’re looking for.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Once again, no!

[Joy]

Where it is our service search of the information, and where they were all the day you?

Bruce, is it But where have you been to - sneaking off and sneaking back, you old villian?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh - this is more fun than I thought it would be! smilies/biggrin.gif
Wrong!!!! smilies/tongue.gif

[HerenIstarion]

well, well...
Dwalin to Bifur?

and our beards will grow till they hang down the cliff to the valley before anything happens here. What is our burglar doing for us?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

No, but getting closer. Not actually close, mind you, but closer none the less. smilies/tongue.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

To make Sharkû happy:
English-German-English smilies/tongue.gif

[HerenIstarion]

uh huh
Thorin to Bilbo:
Before we go, I suppose you mean.Aren't you the burglar? And isn't sitting on the door-step your job, not to speak of getting inside the door?

?
smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nope! smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

shooting at the blue sky...

dwarves to Gandalf at Beon's:

Where is our host, and where have you been all day yourself?

[ March 07, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[HerenIstarion]

Bruce?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Getting even closer! (Keep working your way East. smilies/tongue.gif )

[Joy]

I'm not sure which way is East in a book, but I will give this one a try again.

Barrels Out of Bonds
I am sure we are all for ever at your service, whatever happens after this. But what comes next?

[HerenIstarion]

I'd rather ascribe it to Thorin at the Lonely Mountain:

now is the time for him to perform the service for which he was included in our Company; now is the time for him to earn his Reward

[Bruce MacCulloch]

I just realized I made a mistake! I mixed this thread up with another one! H-I was right with Where is our host, and where have you been all day yourself? smilies/frown.gif Sorry H-I!

[HerenIstarion]

I khew it! I knew it! smilies/mad.gif arghh!

ok, you are forgiven smilies/cool.gif

next one: And there Kate stood once upon a time, at the eleventh door at the end of the road from Hollywood

it's more like a mishearing, than mistranslation, though smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Joy]

H-I, is it On the green stood alone bank near to the very point of the Tongue the Lady Galadriel stood alone and silent.

[HerenIstarion]

nay, it's not connected to the movie. Mishearing like if someone with bad pronounciation was reading the book aloud.

[HerenIstarion]

any other suggestions? smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

any other suggestions? smilies/smile.gif

[Joy]

Aparently not George. Can you tell us what book it is in?

[HerenIstarion]

near the end of FotR smilies/smile.gif

[Nuranar]

HerenIstarion,

I certainly give up. Can you tell us the real version of your quote?

[HerenIstarion]

well, I pointed it was rather like mishearing, than mistranslation. Actually that's Gandalf describung Walls of Moria:

And there the Gate stood once upon a time, the Elven Door at the end of the road from Hollin by which we have come

I will provide you with new one ASAP

[HerenIstarion]

I haven't met him, yet gossip runs through Ironhell that he still denies the Black Enemy, and is under threat as well as all his relatives

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Gwindor to Túrin regarding Húrin: I have not seen him, but rumour of him runs through Angband that he still defies Morgoth; and Morgoth has laid a curse upon him and all his kin.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, Bruce, you got it. proceed

[HerenIstarion]

Bruce?

[burrahobbit]

Hi Heren!!! I'm going instead of bruce.

But as for its long life Bilbo never coherent it with ring at clean. Anythbly drift clean credit for that to yourself , and anythbly very proud from it. Though anythbly getting restless and uneasy. Thin and prolong anythbly said. sign that ring getting rule.

English-Finnish-English

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Gandalf to Frodo discussing the effect of the one ring on Bilbo.


'But as for his long life, Bilbo never connected it with the ring at all. He took all the credit for that to himself, and he was very proud of it. Though he was getting restless and uneasy. Thin and stretched he said. A sign that the ring was getting control.'


Chapter 2 - The Shadow of the Past

[burrahobbit]

Quite quite.

[HerenIstarion]

k, I'll go instead of Mat than:

Well good morning! Nearly no time to miss him. That’s ******, let him crack. And I was stupid enough to think we fooled him around climbing down from that hillock. Just look at him, he looks spider allright.

english-russian-english

[burrahobbit]

And to think that I thought we'd puzzle him with our bit of a climb! Look at him! Like a nasty crawling spider on a wall.

That?

ASIDE: I started this thread more than two years ago. That it is still going amazes and delights me. I am tempted to revive one or two others of those games that we played so long ago.

[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ]

[HerenIstarion]

the reason being they are funnier than simply "who said this" type. your answer is correct, go ahead smilies/smile.gif

[burrahobbit]

Now am coming at me and taste the fresh wine that has just am coming at. I shall be drastic at work this night clearance the cellar about the clean out forest , so allow ourselves have a drink first at help the labour.

ENGLISH -> FRENCH -> ENGLISH

I bet it would have been even better if I had used Bulgarian like I had wanted to. InterTran worked fine going from English to Bulgarian, but wouldn't work at all from Bulgarian to English. Queer indeed. What do you use, HerenIstarion?

[HerenIstarion]

me brain smilies/rolleyes.gif

that's Galion the Butler:

"Now come with me, and taste the new wine that has just come in. I shall be hard at work tonight clearing the cellars of the empty wood, so let us have a drink first to help the labour."

[burrahobbit]

Quite correct.

[HerenIstarion]

so, next one is:


Well than, I’ll tell you. I’ll even chant it to you. There is no time for details, of course, got to be short – it’s late already, and we have a council tomorrow, great talk to be held, and, maybe even start a journey.

english-georgian-russian-english

[burrahobbit]

Before the entmoot?

[HerenIstarion]

yeah, that's it. proceed smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

burra?

[burrahobbit]

I'm fully aware that it's my turn, I just forgot is all.

pinch and ashes , he can't meal that. he necessity starve.

[Nevtalathiel]

Gollum talking about the lembas?

[burrahobbit]

Indeed.

[Nevtalathiel]

Effectively they are Saruman, one I could nearly say, Saruman like would have to be

English-Italian-English

[HerenIstarion]

Gandalf to Gimly:

'Indeed I am Saruman, one might almost say, Saruman as he should have been.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[Nevtalathiel]

Correct.

[HerenIstarion]

well then:

For truly it is! Salvation comes from where our death awaits, and doom is hanging on a string. Yet there is a hope still, only we have to stand firm for a while

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Gandalf to Théoden after helping him to throw off Gríma's influence: Verily, ... that way lies our hope, where sits our greatest fear. Doom hangs still on a thread. Yet hope there is still, if we can but stand unconquered for a little while.(Yes, be very afraid. The Bruce is back.) http://www.plauder-smilies.de/devil/firedevil.gif

[HerenIstarion]

*trembling in fear

yeah, thou omniscient one, thy answer be true

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Omniscient ... I like that! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/cool2.gif
Well, here's my quote: Nearly I thought it that I have, in order to estimate the place.

[HerenIstarion]

Pippin to Merry in Fangorn?

I almost felt I liked the place.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

That would be correct, H-I. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/scatter.gif

[HerenIstarion]

aye. smilies/smile.gif next one:

Don’t get startled! Let me tell you what I know, give you good advice. Yet I shall be expecting gratitude

[HerenIstarion]

Need a hint?

[Joy]

Don’t get startled! Let me tell you what I know, give you good advice. Yet I shall be expecting gratitude.


The answer is Strider: Don't be alarmed! I mean just this: I will tell you what I know and give you some good advice - but I shall want a reward.

This is from "Strider" FotR

[HerenIstarion]

exactly smilies/smile.gif proceed

[Joy]

Sorry it took so long, had a rough week.


And anyways these thoughts are nothing but a delusion,... He'd see me and ram me, before I could even scream. He see me, and fairly fast, if I donned the Ring on now, even in Mordor.

Don't know if this is any good. It's my first try at this. smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

that must be Sam entering Mordor

[Joy]

Very good HI.

[HerenIstarion]

same apology here

next one:

It could not get very far, let us poke in the ferns over there. We’ll get him like a rabbit and then will see what a kind of bird it is

[burrahobbit]

Rangers in Ithilien, about Gollum.

[HerenIstarion]

aye, welcome to your domain, burra smilies/smile.gif

you are right, take it up

[burrahobbit]

Yes, doubly mine.

Blur smell it! Leaves out of it elf land gah! They stink. He clamber in them the tree , and he be able ablution facts a little at his hands , my agreeable hands.

ENGLISH--NORWEGIAN--ENGLISH

[Childlike Empress]

Gollum?

[burrahobbit]

Yess Gollum. Where?

[Childlike Empress]

Soon after he joined up with Frodo and Sam? Looking, I've found at least half a dozen likely passages.

Perhaps,
"Yes, yes, and Sam stinks!" answered Gollum. "Poor Smeagol smells it, but good Smeagol bears it. Helps nice master. But that's no matter. The air's moving, change is coming. Smeagol wonders; he's not happy."
But probably not. It sounds like he's muttering unpleasantries about Sam and/or Frodo. How close am I on a scale of cold to hot?

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Childlike Empress ]

[HerenIstarion]

[quote]Smeagol smells it!Leaves out of the elf-country, gah! They stinks. He climbed in those trees, and he couldn't wash the smell off his hands, my nice hands[quote]

[HerenIstarion]

burra?

[HerenIstarion]

well, once again: burra? smilies/smile.gif

[burrahobbit]

OH! Send me a PM next time I seem to forget. Heren got it.

[HerenIstarion]

well, all right smilies/smile.gif

next (easy) one:

But it darkness seems more weighing, to think about everything the lamps.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Hmmm... in this game, you kind of have to have either a)read the books recently or b)have a good memory, neither of which applies to me at this moment. But carry on please, I'll join you soon. smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Welcome to the realm of nas-s-sty mistrans-s-slators-s-s, Windlord smilies/smile.gif

[gralin musicteeth]

*kick myself for joining in on the 6TH PAGE!* I'm a bit confuzzled. if someone would like to spare the time to explain why this is not making any sense to me, or direct me to somewhere else where i may obtain this information, i would be very much obliged. or you could flatly refuse and kick me in the teeth. either way, i will have learned a lesson.

[Lostgaeriel]

Hi gralin musicteeth!

I assume that you mean that you don't know how to play this mistranslated quotes game. And since there are probably others also in the dark, I hope I can illuminate.

An exact quote from one of the books is entered into an online translation engine such as
Babel Fish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) or InterTran (http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran) once or a number of times to scramble it. (Such as English to French to Spanish to Mandarin to English again.) Then it is posted.

How to unscramble it is your own lookout!

[Lostgaeriel]

Of course, now that I've had a chance to think about this one for a few minutes, I think I know what it is. If my friend HerenIstarion hadn't said it was easy, I would never have come up with it. (From my experience that usually means it's from tLotR.)

Anyway - But it darkness seems more weighing, to think about everything the lamps. is Sam in Moria responding to Gimli singing the Song of Durin But it makes the darkness seem heavier, thinking of all those lamps.

[HerenIstarion]

I find it more amusing to translate it myself. In this case I'm able to convert idioms to corresponding expressions and than it bocomes even funnier when gets back to English

But I must confess last one has undergone FreeTranslation.com treatement smilies/smile.gif

BTW, we still can kick you in the teeth, gralin, but just for the sake of heavenly melody which, I expect, will flow out of your mouth after this smilies/tongue.gif

[HerenIstarion]

and yes, Lostgaeriel gets it

[Lostgaeriel]

Why, oh why do I try to solve these? I hate generating new mistranslations! Never again!

The remainder there under an in brief during of the doubt, that we should use.

[HerenIstarion]

That sounds like Gandalf about Sauron in the last debate of Captains of the West.

[Lostgaeriel]

No-o, it's not from The Last Debate, although it is from a similar conversation.

[HerenIstarion]

alrighty than, that's Gandalf to Aragorn just after Pippin's 'fool-of-a-tookish' stealing of the Palantir:

There remains a short while of doubt which we must use

[Lostgaeriel]

Yes, although I believe that Gandalf was also speaking to Théoden and Éomer as well as Aragorn.

Go!

[HerenIstarion]

thanks

next round:

I take am goods it at to received always simpler than below in upper part. This how do not fly can, can jump!

[Lostgaeriel]

Thanks for the hint, HerenIstarion.

That was Sam to Frodo as they look for a way down from the outer ridge of the Emyn Muil.

Sam knelt beside him and peered reluctantly over the edge. Then he glanced up at the great cliff rising up, away on their left. 'Easier! he grunted. 'Well, I suppose it's always easier getting down than up. Those as can't fly can jump!'

[HerenIstarion]

yes, Lostgaeriel, that's the thing smilies/smile.gif proceed

[Lostgaeriel]

Eh on the level? Possess shall you district me shore up? Desire you admit I no peace all in all in the night or day?

[burrahobbit]

Hint?

[HerenIstarion]

Saruman to Gandalf and Co at Orthank:

'Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by night or day?'

um?

[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[Lostgaeriel]

Yes, that's it, HerenIstarion. Go!

My mistranslation includes the 'Well?' at the beginning of his grousing.

[HerenIstarion]

Excuse me for a delay. I'm being nusy of late, alas. Anyways, here it comes the next mistranslation:

Death you can give gained or unmerited; but not the titles which I will take of you of lowly, neither spy, nor servant

[burrahobbit]

Then Beren answered: 'Death you can give me earned or unearned; but the names I will not take from you of baseborn, nor spy, nor thrall. By the ring of Felagund, that he gave to Barahir my father on the battle field of the North, my house has not earned such names from any Elf, be he king or no.'

[HerenIstarion]

yup smilies/smile.gif

[burrahobbit]

"That which is you?'"

"Wandering thrall, the proof went ahead of eleven, met and troestete."

english-german-french-english

[burrahobbit]

It's from the Sil.

[HerenIstarion]

Must be Gwindor/Turin conversation

[burrahobbit]

That's it.

[HerenIstarion]

burra, thanks for the reminder. As Barley used to say, "one thing drives out another..."

the next one is easy (I s'ppose)

I request thee once more, is not the mysterious road under protection?

[burrahobbit]

I'll get on this and the other when I wake up.

[HerenIstarion]

Desperately giving a thead kind of kiss of life

so, anyone?

[Lindolirian]

I probably shouldn't answer this since I'm not bilingual and won't be able to come up with a question of my own, but I do know the answer to it and its been up for more than year...
I ask you again, is not this secret way guarded? -Frodo to Gollum on the pass of Cirith Ungol.

[HerenIstarion]

Back to life, than :)

Yes, that is correct answer. Take it away!

[Lindolirian]

It's been over a year since I finished French II barely with a B-, so you'll have to bear with me.

Taient le souffle du vent d'ouest rendre un corps vident,
nanmoins il apparatrait.
For you Canadians and French out there... sorry if I butchered it too badly.:)

[HerenIstarion]

Were the breath of the West Wind to take a body visible, even so would it appear

That's Eomer, in astonishement upon sighting of Shadowfax

Reminder of the rules, BTW:

This quote game implies that participants translate some quotes into some foreign languages, and than tranlslate it back to English. The actual quote-question is thus in English, just rendered unrecognizable by double (it may be triple, or quadruple or more) cross-translations.

To give you an example:

English: Were the breath of the West Wind to take a body visible, even so would it apper

Russian: Esli bi dikhanie Zapadnogo Vetra imelo bi vidimoe telo, ono bi vigladelo tak

French: Si la respiration du Vent d'ouest aurait le corps visible, il aurait l'air ainsi

English (actual quote to be guessed out): If the breathing of the west Wind would have the visible body, it would seem thus

Not very unrecognizable, but different, see? The actual foreign quotes belong in Quotes in Other Languages (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?t=10571) thread

cheers :)

[Lindolirian]

Ah, right... sorry. You are correct though!

[Shelob]

Alright, due to TGWBS's thread Lost in Translation (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12150) this thread is being brought to life again so that we can move our game of guessing the original text (or barrowdowner's name) from the horrible unsensical translation out of his thread...

The translation sites being used are here (http://douweosinga.com/projects/poetryintranslation) and here (http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/) though the second one has more languages and therefore less sensical translations...

I'll get us started with the lovely translated:
Dimmed cold time of the mountain of the excess in one thrown to the
Dungeon deeply and the old caves we must before brak the newspaper,
our stature of the ritrovamento of dimenticantesi of distant gold
moved absentee

(oh yeah, bonus points if anyone can figure out The Saucepan Man's "Potassio")