Another Way Round

[HerenIstarion]

As it was said, keennes of observation is the clue. Besides, I would recommend taking a look at the roots...

[HerenIstarion]

look at the first page

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, the original quote was on the first page of this thread, so all I had to do was find out who said it! It was Bilbo, speaking of Smaug when the dwarves and he had reached the Lonely Mountain. The dragon is still alive and in the halls under the Mountain then - or I imagine so from the smoke

[HerenIstarion]

yes, that's correct :) Pray proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Try this one: 'Do let go!' whispered her whale. 'They must have been courageous as a lion, as they feel different from many. There's not an ugly evening without much water current. Which is worse than swimming?'

[HerenIstarion]

What d'ya say? There is nothing better than swimming. Just got back from the pool, where I do spend my break hour an a half. It's refrshing, and tan looks good on me :p

However, when one talks about flying... certainly, warm bath, and cool pool more so, are better if one is given a choice:

"Don't pinch!" said his eagle. "You need not be frightened like a rabbit, even if you look rather like one. It is a fair morning with little wind. What is finer than flying?"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Fast work, HI! Take it away...

[HerenIstarion]

Thanks :)

The following is rather thought, than spoken quote:

This has ruined all of the happiness she was out to

[HerenIstarion]

the person to think that to himself was trying to be decent, and mend some of the trouble his previous actions will have had caused to another person, also decent fellow and kind of heart

[wilwarin538]

Im probably way off but i`ll give it a chot

[QUOTE]That hasnt mended some of the sadness he was in.[/QUO

And if i am right I have no idea who said it, just wanted to try.

[HerenIstarion]

ah, welcome to our little coterie of pervert quoters ;) wilwarin538

I'll try to hint further: the quoter (or meditator, rather, for the quote is thought out, rather than said aloud) is mortal, the one he thinks about is an immortal

[HerenIstarion]

The whole situation took place some decades prior to Frodo's birth

[HerenIstarion]

in The Hobbit

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was Bilbo, speaking of the chief guard of the Elves as he replaced the keys he had used to free the Dwarves: "That will save him some of the trouble he is in for," said Mr. Baggins to himself. "He wasn't a bad fellow, and quite decent to the prisoners."

[HerenIstarion]

correct :) go on

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Try this one: When you saw definitely forbidden less seldomer, you were being relaxed.

[HerenIstarion]

'seldomer' gives it away :)

It was Sam:

'If I hear not allowed much oftener,' said Sam, 'I'm going to get angry.'

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Fast work, HI, and correct, of course. Go ahead.

[HerenIstarion]

thank you :)

next one:

Where did her skirt go? We do not let the nobility tearing silk off, even if they tear it up nicely!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, this is a quote I like! It's the Gaffer, who is not very appreciative of Sam's outlandish fashion. What's come of his weskit? I don't hold with wearing ironmongery, whether it wears well or no.

[HerenIstarion]

Correct! You serve :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Try this one: Nakedness is a great gain, when they are captive by life-saving.

[HerenIstarion]

Tom Bombadil to four hobbits, upon recovering them out of the Barrow clothed in strange garments:

Clothes are but little loss, if you escape from drowning

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's it, HI! :) Your turn.

[HerenIstarion]

Have we thought about the grant of entrance back than? In times when her command to listen to us was still false?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Can you drop a hint, please?

[HerenIstarion]

I've completely omitted the place name present in the original quote, sorry. I'll render the quote with the appropriate place name in, so it must become easier to work out:

Have we thought about the grant of entrance to Landia back than? In times when her command to listen to us was still false?

additional clues - one hobbit to another :)

[Evisse the Blue]

The closest I can find is this:
"If you have to go, then it will be a punishment for any of us to be left behind, even in Rivendell." Merry to Frodo.

[HerenIstarion]

Landia = Shire

[Evisse the Blue]

"Do you feel any need to leave the Shire now - now that your wish to see them has come true already?" Frodo to Sam, about the Elves.

[HerenIstarion]

to the 'T' (whatever that means). Take it over :)

BTW, thanks for the Tabulus the Flat. I have forgotten about it but for you :D

cheers

[Evisse the Blue]

:confused: T? huh? where? *scans around for any stray Ts*
No Ts here, except the one fromTabulus the Flat (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=4233). Lol, here's an excuse to post the link to this for others to see/remember! :D

New quote is:

"You are altogether wrong", we argued. "And be sure to say it exactly like this, unless you're parted from a group of outsiders. They couldn't have been further away from the town center of Landia back then."

[HerenIstarion]

That'd be Gandalf to Radagast, as cited by him to the Council of Elrond:

Your information was correct, But do not put it that way, if you meet any of the inhabitants. You are near the borders of the Shire now

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's it!

[HerenIstarion]

Hallo, she cried to Shieldzwerg, we came to loose our Moon!

[Evisse the Blue]

"Farewell", he said to Gandalf. "I go to find the Sun".
Legolas to Gandalf, the Ring goes South.

[HerenIstarion]

I could not stand the temptation to turn Gandalf into Shieldzwerg :D

Correct, take it over again :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Next up:

"Chances are, the Demons will lead her onwards!"

[HerenIstarion]

Ware! Ware!May the Valar turn him aside!

Damrod about the oliphaunt?

[Evisse the Blue]

That's right! :)

[HerenIstarion]

Probably, this water is the pool which hides the ent-lead that was dug up!

[HerenIstarion]

anyone?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

It's not too hard to guess that this quote is about gold, buried under/in a mountain, so that suggests 'The Hobbit' as its source. Since my time is short, unfortunately, could you please tell me if that's the right book in which to search for it?

[HerenIstarion]

the quote is indeed related to the plot of the Hobbit, and it is a hobbit who doth quoteth, but one should look for it in the FoTR :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That took a bit of detective work, but I finally found it! Merry is the speaker. That must be the stone that marked the place where the trolls' gold was hidden.

[HerenIstarion]

Aye, m'lady, your sight for hidden things is sharp! :)

Pray proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

New quote: He can drop her against them, and he can't drop them and her as badly.

[HerenIstarion]

I surely feel like a hint :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

It is spoken in first person and can be found in RotK.

[HerenIstarion]

Ah, thank you, that was helpful :)

That was Sam to Frodo, on the Mount Doom:

I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you and it as well

[Estelyn Telcontar]

*applause, applause, applause!!*

Next one's yours, HI!

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you, thank you :)

next up:

‘Go up! Go up!’ she whispered to the giant among the roots,’Don’t run down there, just tear it apart’

[HerenIstarion]

I usually use Giant to turn the Dwarf inside out, you know :rolleyes:

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, that clue was very helpful! I found it in The Hobbit: "Come down! Come down!" he shouted to the dwarves on the branch. "Don't stay up there and be netted!" ...'he', of course, being Bilbo.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, definitely :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one: It is seldom on purpose that young bachelors lose in forgetting pictures of people that someday will be unnecessary for the stupid to be unaware of.

[HerenIstarion]

Celeborn to Boromir concerning Fangorn:

for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Awwwww, was it that easy or are you just that good, HI?! ;) Right, of course, and your turn.

[HerenIstarion]

Nay, it was just easy (though gracefully done) - young bachelors was a clue, and the scope of search thence was limited to either Ioreth and her sayings, or Fangorn :)

I have to think a bit to contrive the next one, though

cheers

[HerenIstarion]

Damn you, Lady Wheeldwarf!’ shouted Full ‘All of it! And I even planted thorns over the threshold, when you went away from me!'

[Evisse the Blue]

Can you give a hint? :)

[HerenIstarion]

Morgoth damn you, Lady Wheeldwarf, M'am!’ shouted Fully Fool ‘All of it! And I even planted thorns over the threshold, when you went away from me!'

Besides, wheel is used as opposite of wand. There are two creatures dwarf may be at daggers drawn with, of course. Fully Fool requires no further commenting, eh? ;)

[Evisse the Blue]

'Lor bless you, Mr Gandalf, sir!' said Sam. 'Nothing! Leastways I was just trimming the grass-border under the window, if you follow me.'

[HerenIstarion]

Correct :)

Lor Bless you, Miss Evisse, the floor is yours :)

[Evisse the Blue]

"Your teeth are quite familiar while your number has a peculiar taste. Giants! All the gibberish I have spoken made lies seem false."

Doesn't sound very encouraging does it? :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Hroom, once I substituted Hobbits for Giants, I immediately thought of Treebeard. On discounting him, there was only one other I could think of who reacts to Hobbits in such a way ...


Your tongue is strangely changed; but the name sounds not unfitting so. Hobbits! No report that I have heard does justice to the truth.Theoden to Merry and Pippin at Isengard.

[Evisse the Blue]

That's right, well done! :)

[Evisse the Blue]

SpM?

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry for the extended delay. Here's a new one:

But we are forbidden to speak of such things, things with which we are well acquainted even more so than we are with flying, Miss Earthwoman … These things are normal, and you would be better off without normality over there.

[The Saucepan Man]

Anyone?

It's easy if you work out who Miss Earthwoman is ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Hello? Is there anybody there?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I am, but as I haven't the time to work this out and search for it, I keep looking in, in hopes that someone else does! :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

It is a snippet of a conversation between Hobbits.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks for the hint and your patience, Saucy! I finally took the time to figure it out - the only thing that occurred to me at first as a contrast to "Earthwoman" was "Skywalker"! :rolleyes: But the Miss/Mr. clue helped - there aren't many hobbits in the book who addressed themselves like that. Here's the quote:

'And you can say what you like, about what you know no more of than you do of boating, Mr. Sandyman,' retorted the Gaffer, disliking the miller even more than usual. 'If that's being queer, then we could do with a bit more queerness in these parts...'

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the one Esty. Well done and over to you. :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one - these are not easy to do, since not all vocabulary lends itself to opposites, so I hope it's not too difficult to find the answer. There is one clue that should help...
Then don't act reckless! ...nor as loud as I can't act! Here certainly is a Cleanair in the top, and now never here isn't. Do forbid them to bring no necessary certainties!

[HerenIstarion]

Indeed, I was looking for foul water on the bottom of some places, or maybe some dirt somewhere, and scanned half of Frodo'n'Sam dialogues in Mordor, but it was more subtle than this! My complinents, Estelyn, much cunning exhibited, I daresay :D

Now do be careful! And quiet as you can be! There may be no Smaug at the bottom but then again there may be. Don't let us take any unnecessary risks!

Bilbo to dwarves as they were about going down the secret tunnel to Smaug's lair.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Why thank you, kind sir! I am pleased both with my cunning idea and with the fact that you solved the riddle! Carry on - I'm afraid I'll have to sit this one out, though, as I'll be away from my home PC for a few weeks...

[HerenIstarion]

Next one to puzzle passers by, than :)

Holding a fast, they are sure to be resurrected quite shortly in all cases.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, I surmise it's a high time for a hint

The quote in my previous was uttered by a plumpier-than-average dwarf.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

"But without a feast we shan't remain alive much longer anyway," said Bombur ...speaking of the Woodland Elves.

(The fat Dwarf clue did it!)

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, of course. Pray proceed :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Woe is me, for I leave the country (and most importantly for this thread, my PC) in two days. I shall try to get a new backwards quote up before I go, just to keep you busy for awhile...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Try this one!
When you have sung part of the song, you wouldn't be standing there where Autumn had preceded Summer.

[HerenIstarion]

Frodo sat silent and motionless. Fear seemed to stretch out a vast hand, like a dark cloud rising in the East and looming up to engulf him. ‘This ring!’ he stammered. ‘How, how on earth did it come to me?’
‘Ah!’ said Gandalf. ‘That is a very long story. The beginnings lie back in the Black Years, which only the lore-masters now remember. If I were to tell you all that tale, we should still be sitting here when Spring had passed into Winter.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You got it right, HI! Your turn to turn...

[HerenIstarion]

Ok, than:

They were orderly than! They? She did not want it to be ‘they’, for it was bliss to be left alone

[HerenIstarion]

'twas said west of Misty Mountains east of Lonely Mountain. In Mirkwood, to be precise...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks for the clue - that definitely helped narrow the search down! Here's what Bilbo said to himself after using Sting to free himself from the spider's web in The Hobbit: What a mess we are in now! We! I only wish it was we: it is horrible being all alone.

[HerenIstarion]

Right you are, M'am :)

[Evisse the Blue]

I'm reviving this cause it used to be much fun.

Sorry for the sloppiness of this one:

"Before enlightened beings arrived in the meadows full of dwellings and flew towards bright pastures, we crept towards them. What tunnels would we bravely burrow into, what danger in troubled skies or for homeless sophisticated creatures during the hours of daylight, if the Easterners were awake or had all come back to life?"

[Galadriel55]

But when dark things come from the houseless hills, or creep from sunless woods, they fly from us. What roads would any dare to tread, what safety could there be in quiet lands, or in the homes of simple men at night, if the Dunedain were asleep, or were all gone into the grave? The counsil of Elrond
Aragorn, speaking to the council in general, but mostly to Boromir.

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep, well done and take it away!
This used to be fun game : )

[Galadriel55]

"I know my safety, Denethor. Those giants will stand in the middle of a city and keep silent about the negative side of chairs, and great laziness of their children, grandchildren, and great-grand children, or brothers and sisters, if I discourage the with interruptions."
Some of these words may be a bit vague, but I think it's not that hard. :)

[LadyBrooke]

You do not know your danger, Theoden. These hobbits will sit on the edge of ruin and discuss the pleasures of the table, or the small doings of their fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers, and remoter cousins to the ninth degree, if you encourage them with undue patience.

Gandalf to Theoden near the ruins of Orthanc when Merry starts on about smoking.

[Galadriel55]

Thread is yours, Brooke!

[LadyBrooke]

"All and all! That he found forward he guessed a gain; needed display in the water it has disproved. Stop us that worship his title, worship him in the past, but praise our exit from the fields of the orcs! Stop the horses freezing!"

I'm not sure that's right. If anybody needs a hint say so.

[Evisse the Blue]

This has to be Feanor's memorable lines:

'None and none! What I have left behind I count now no loss; needless baggage on the road it proved! Let those that cursed my name curse me still, and whine their way back to the cages of the Valar. Let the ships burn!'


Was he a cool fellow or what? ;)

[LadyBrooke]

Correct Evisse!

And yes Feanor is a very cool elf - along with Maglor, Matimo, and Fingon. They're the only Noldor I really like in the books.

[Evisse the Blue]

Let's see:

'Out of joy we need not stay; and still out of hope.

(as a personal aside, one of my favourite quotes, once unscrambled :))

[Galadriel55]

Evise, I am really confused about this quote. It sounds like "Into sorrow [someone] must enter; and into despair." It has a familiar ring to it, but I just can't pinpoint it. Feanor says a line of similar comtext when he urges the Noldor to leave Aman, but it has a totally different structure. :confused:

A clue, perhaps? :Merisu:

[HerenIstarion]

Sounds like Aragorn on his deathbed consoling Arwen:


But I say to you, King of the Numenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive.

"So it seems," he said. "But let us not be overthrown at the final test, who of old renounced the Shadow and the Ring. In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!"

[LadyBrooke]

Since it's been a while, I hope nobody minds if I do one:

Earlier they heard me, I nice tall human! They did drink me and took my flesh and blood buried in the ground....they buried me feet upwards in the ground for a month or three.

I'm not sure if that's scarier then the original quote or not....

[Galadriel55]

"Now we see you, you nasty little creature! We will eat you and leave your bones and skin hanging on a tree. Ugh! he's got a sting has he? Well, we'll get him all the same, and then we'll hang him head downwards for a day or two."

~Spiders to Bilbo in Mirkwood

It was scarier before I guessed it. :p

[LadyBrooke]

Correct! :D I think the whole drank my blood part was scary....and it was in the past tense, so how's he telling us this. :p

[Galadriel55]

Here's something relatively easy:

"Your servant is healthy and in good shape. He should go on walking until daybreak. He doesn't need a break."

[Narnangol]

"My master is sick and wounded. He can't go on riding after nightfall. He needs rest."

Sam after the episode with the trolls, when the Hobbits and Aragorn meet Glorfindel. :)

[Galadriel55]

Yup! Your turn!

[bella10388]

I agree Watcher. Though I must say this sounds like Denethor before he decides to kill himself and Faramir.


I also think so.

[Nerwen]

I also think so.
I agree with you.

[Evisse the Blue]

Backward this:

"Hail and well met, though I didn't care for you one bit!'

[hubesiagosa67]

I must say that I am challenged for now, but I will come back to challenge.

[Galadriel55]

Hmmmm..... I'm stumped too. That does sound a bit like Theoden greeting Gandalf under Grima's instructions, though...