Another Way Round

[HerenIstarion]

i'm well pleased with Mistranslation thread, so, working along same lines, here we have another kind of quote contest. One gives a completely reversed version of the quote, and the rest tries to work out hte original. Here we go:

Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

who + all the circumstances

[HerenIstarion]

err..., I expected more enthusiasm somehow... :rolleyes:

[Watcher in the Water]

I for one do not get what you mean... could you give the answer for your current question and then pose another so i can get an idea about how to approach the question? I must say it SOUNDS interesting... I just dont get it yet smilies/biggrin.gif

[Joy]

I agree Watcher. Though I must say this sounds like Denethor before he decides to kill himself and Faramir.

[HerenIstarion]

well, I think I failed to explain the principle. I'll reveal the answer to the previous one as a sample:

Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

which was the reverse to that one:

The dragon is still alive and in the halls under the Mountain then - or I imagine so from the smoke


and give it the fresh start. here we go again:

what have them done, what have them done! Running into elves, while enslaved by rabbits!

guess it out :)

[Joy]

H-I, all I can think of is Borimir saying:

What have I said?.. What have I done? Frodo, Frodo come back. A madness took me. Now it is gone.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

What shall we do, what shall we do! Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves! smilies/biggrin.gif
I have noticed that H-I has bit of a fondness for The Hobbit.

[ March 06, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[HerenIstarion]

not a bit, heh, a mighty big morsel I should say smilies/smile.gif. yes, Bruce, you got it. go ahead

[Bruce MacCulloch]

She wasn't a nice lady, and quite rude to the guests.

[HerenIstarion]

well, hard to crack that one. if we make it word by word, it will sound as follows

He was a wicked lord, though more or less polite to his host

but I have no clue whom may that be

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Not really word for word, somewhat, but more concept for concept.

[HerenIstarion]

well, than maybe Gaffer about Bilbo:

A very nice well-spoken gentlehobbit is Mr. Bilbo, as I’ve always said

[Bruce MacCulloch]

No again.
It's almost word for word, by the way. Not entirely, but almost.

[HerenIstarion]

Treebeard about Saruman?

He was polite in those days, always asking my leave (at least when he met me); and always eager to listen.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Still no! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Glenethor]

Merry about Theoden?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

I'd have a stab at Frodo to Gandalf at the Council of Elrond concerning Butterbur

'He was really very kind to us and did all that he could.'

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh! I seem to have even stumped the doughty Mr. Heathertoes. smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

well, working out statement about being rude to the guests, I assume that must be quatation from author's narrative in The Hobbit:

the hobbit was fond of visitors

is it?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Still no, although you are getting closer.

[Joy]

Gandalf to Bilbo about Beorn:

He can be appaling when he is angry, though he is kind enough if humored.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nope - you and H-I may be "closer" but you have a long way to go yet. smilies/wink.gif

[Joy]

The Hobbit - Flies and Spiders:
for Wood-Elves were not goblins, and were reasonably well-behaved even to their worst enemy.

Is this it???

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Even closer! smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

maybe it's description of Beorn (yet again):

Beorn, who was never very polite.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Getting colder. Think along the lines of Joy's last guess.

[Mirkgirl]

Maybe not, but Gloin at the council of Elrond?

[HerenIstarion]

well. well, , maybe Thorin about Elvenking:

Nor at all with the people of the Elvenking, whom I remember with small kindness

? smilies/eek.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Close, but still not quite! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/square/bigsquaregrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

well, maybe that's dwarves in elven cave. I think this one fits in perfectly: masculine plural vs fem. sing. of your quote, and they are not polite:

They were surly and angry and did not even pretend to be polite

and they were rude to their "host" (or captor, rather) - elvenking

[Bruce MacCulloch]

You keep hitting so close! Still a miss!

[HerenIstarion]

well, I'm pretty sure already it's Elvenking being described, but by whom I can not make out

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Do you want me to post the answer and ask a different one?

[Turambar]

Bilbo about the chief guard:

"He wasn't a bad fellow, and quite decent to the prisoners."

[mordor136]

pippen about theoden
"A fine old fellow. Very polite"

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Finally! Turambar got it!

[Rimbaud]

This is mind-meltingly simple, but in order to re-establish the format...

On the highest of mountains lived the largest of giants.

[Turambar]

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." ???

[latando angaina]

I think it was already Turambar's turn to ask, so he (being right, I fancy) may proceed. or isn't it so? smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

"Oh man who died in happiness, arise into bright memory, and remember forever the beautiful choice of death."

[Joy]

Lùthien to Carcharoth - O woe begotten spirit, fall now into dark oblivion, and forget for a while the dreadful doom of life.

[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

[Turambar]

Joyicity ! You got it !

[Joy]

Give me a few more days, I have a broken finger. Can't type much. I'll be trying to find something quick.

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

Sorry to hear hear about your finger, hope you're alright.

[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Gimli Son Of Gloin ]

[HerenIstarion]

Aye, fastest recovery possible smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Aye, fastest recovery possible smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Well, since Joy is not showing interest in the thing anymore seemingly, I'll revive the thread myself smilies/smile.gif

amother one (and easy one at that):

More or less bad truth, it is! In fact, the worst I have uttered for a short period. If all charitable people were able to listen to such a bad truth, they might find me angrier! Yet you are not making it up, I deem, so you deserve a fast and abstination from food for it

who to whom?

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

I don't have my book with me, but I can kind of translate some of the words. For some reason I think Sam said it to Gollum.

More or less bad truth, it is! In fact, the worst I have uttered for a short period. If all charitable people were able to listen to such a bad truth, they might find me angrier! Yet you are not making it up, I deem, so you deserve a fast and abstination from food for it

Without my book, this is how much I could do..

More or less, good lies, it is! In fact, the best I have heard in a long time. If all (don't know what to put) people were able to tell such a good lie, they might find me happier! Yet, you are not telling the truth, I deem, so you deserve a slow and (don't know what to put) from food for it.

Now that I think about it, it doesn't seem much like Sam...Hm..Myabe it's from Faramir to Gollum in Ithilien. ?

[HerenIstarion]

Well, no

It was earlier smilies/smile.gif

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Um, taking another guess (since I do that a lot, might as well not break tradition)..was it Gimli??

[HerenIstarion]

well, no again smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

as a hint: Gimli's father was present

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Was it Thranduil then???? (I'm just gonna keep guessin till I get it smilies/wink.gif Or if someone else responds!)

[HerenIstarion]

well, closer but not the ten mark

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

That King from Lake-town! Oh I don't know!! Am I closer???? Sheesh, I really suck at this! I need to read all the books over again.

[HerenIstarion]

not again smilies/smile.gif

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

I ACTUALLY got an an answer correct?! Woohoo! (I did, didn't I?)
smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

This is my first try translating quotes, so bear with me! smilies/wink.gif


'I'm content that this is only an enduring dark, and it will go all pink again. What a joy! This shabby new plain looked the same in the dark. I almost felt I hated the place.'

My choice of words aren't that good, but I hope it's not too noticeable smilies/tongue.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[HerenIstarion]

well, actually, "not again" ment that you did not answer correctly smilies/rolleyes.gif

yet, an answer to yours is:

'I'm afraid this is only a passing gleam, and it will all go grey again. What a pity! This shaggy old forest looked so different in the sunlight. I almost felt I liked the place.

Pippin in Fangorn

so we go back to previous one:

More or less bad truth, it is! In fact, the worst I have uttered for a short period. If all charitable people were able to listen to such a bad truth, they might find me angrier! Yet you are not making it up, I deem, so you deserve a fast and abstination from food for it!

have a nice guessing
smilies/tongue.gif

[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Yeah I always interpret people wrongly. And I still don't know who you are talking about! Ooh! Smaug!!! Was it Smaug?

[HerenIstarion]

nay

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Oh I'm so stupid!! It's Beorn!!!!

"A very good tale!" said he. "The best I have heard for a long while. If all beggars could tell such a good one, they might find me kinder. You may be making it all up, of course, but you deserve a supper for the story all the same. Let's have something to eat!"

Now how long did it take me to get this! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HerenIstarion]

absolutely correct smilies/smile.gif you serve

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

smilies/biggrin.gif
Very bad then, I will just loosen my shoes and slow down- or I will be made to into breakfast, and that won't be much worse than having everything to myself.

I'm not to good at this, as you can see, but your good at this game so you'll get it within the first try anyway!

[HerenIstarion]

Gandalf to Bilbo after Misty Mountains adventure:

Very well then, we must just tighten our belts and trudge on - or we shall be made into supper, and that will be much worse than having none ourselves

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Do you have the whole book memorized or something! smilies/eek.gif Well, it's your turn now smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

very well then smilies/rolleyes.gif here we go:

How near is our stay? For as a beginning, the Weak, I must not commit any frankness with you. Am I to follow you in a crooked way, and where from? For if you have to accumulate your first weakness, you won’t know where the loss may occur

[HerenIstarion]

Need a hint?

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Please! Sorry, I'm not that good at this game obviously. lol. I'm going to give it a try though..

How near is our stay? For as a beginning, the Weak, I must not commit any frankness with you. Am I to follow you in a crooked way, and where from? For if you have to accumulate your first weakness, you won’t know where the loss may occur

How far is our (path? road?) For as an end, the Strong, must not (renounce?) any (falseness?) with me. Am I to lead you in a straight was, and where to? For if you have to spend your last strength, you will know where the gain may occur.

Ok, well I'll just guess that Faramir said it, when he was talking to Frodo and Sam.

[HerenIstarion]

nay smilies/smile.gif

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Gwaihir to Gandalf?

[HerenIstarion]

Well, you definitely need a hint smilies/rolleyes.gif

try FA

[Estelyn Telcontar]

FA as in First Age, HI?

[Susan Delgado]

What is FA?

[Susan Delgado]

uh, wow...that was at exactly the same time, Estelyn smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Amazing, huh? Nothing happens for days, and then at the very same minute!! smilies/eek.gif creepy... smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

yeah, smilies/smile.gif creepy

FA is First Age

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I found it in UT - Tuor speaks: How far is it now to go? For at last, Voronwë, you must forgo your secrecy with me. Do you lead me straight, and whither? For if I must spend my last strength, I would know to what that may avail.

[HerenIstarion]

aye aye, absoluteley correct smilies/smile.gif proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here is no leisure, so you need not fail in order to be partially humiliated.

[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

[zifnab]

Is this correct, Esty?

‘Go!’ said Aragorn. ‘But keep what honour you may, and do not run! And there is a task which you may attempt and so be not wholly shamed.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Correct, zifnab - the second sentence is it! Now you get to try!

[zifnab]

Thanks Esty. I'm fairly new to this type of 'quoting' so bear with me if it's not up to par.


‘No’, thought Arwen willing, ‘He should not have done it. He has a desire to not sell numerous race horses.

[ October 10, 2002: Message edited by: zifnab ]

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Nice one, zifnab! Here's the original: 'Yes,' said Strider reluctantly, 'you had better do that. I am afraid we shall have to try to get one pony at least.'

[zifnab]

That's right Esty! Good job! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Let's see if you can figure this one out: When I've been awake a long time, hot sand under the feet is different from drought under crisp carrots.

[Susan Delgado]

Though I've not consulted the book, it sounds like someone(Sam?) saying, "When I'm napping, cold water in the face is the same as...a flood of limp potatos?

The last part doesn't seem quite right, though

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You're thinking in the right direction, Susan; the 'limp potatoes' tickle me! Keep going and you'll find it.

[Childlike Empress]

Can we have a hintlet, please? smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Susan's whole post was one great hint, heh

it's Sam of course:

But if you're short of sleep cold water on the neck's like rain on a wilted lettuce

but i'll gladly pass the right to proceed to Susan, for she got it to be honest, I just looked up the exact quote

[Estelyn Telcontar]

OK then, Susan - I'm looking forward to what you come up with!

[Susan Delgado]

Thanks, HI smilies/smile.gif

Well he knows the moods of the earth, as do all who fly through the air

[ October 12, 2002: Message edited by: Susan Delgado ]

[HerenIstarion]

Bard?

They do not understand war above ground, whatever they may know of battle in the mines

[Susan Delgado]

Good guess! But not even close smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Susan, will you give us a clue, please, or narrow down the scope of the search? I'm looking through LotR, but haven't located that quote yet.

[HerenIstarion]

May it be description of Morgoth's servants from Sil:

Water all his servants shunned, and to the sea none would willingly go nigh, save in dire need

water as opposite to both earth an air? "Dire need" as opposite to "mood"

...?

[Susan Delgado]

It's in Fellowship

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Goldberry? Is the quote about Tom Bombadil?

[Susan Delgado]

Close, but no cigar smilies/smile.gif

edit: What quote were you thinking of?

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Susan Delgado ]

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I think I found it; Tom Bombadil speaking of himself: 'I am no weather-master,' he said; 'nor is aught that goes on two legs.' I certainly hope that's right - this has had me puzzled (and searching) for days!

[Susan Delgado]

You got it! smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

wow, Susan, nice little cracker it was smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one: You sit under a wonderful plain, but it is faintly light out of the mountain behind my head, and I am sure there is darkness before you, you see. Have fun!

[HerenIstarion]

that's Faramir to Eowyn in Houses of healing:

I stand upon some dreadful brink, and it is utterly dark in the abyss before my feet, but whether there is any light behind me I cannot tell

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right quote, HI, wrong person - look again! (That was fast, by the way!)

[HerenIstarion]

em, ur, yes, it's other way round smilies/confused.gif , that's Eowyn to Faramir

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Now you have it - you're next!

[HerenIstarion]

well:

He has undone it as he was commanded and stayed as he was displeased

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I'm searching, HI, but have found nothing so far. Can you give a little hint please?

[HerenIstarion]

The tense is reversed as well. Person quoted speaks about some intended future actions smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HerenIstarion]

FoTR

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I am still searching, HI - one more clue, please - is it said in the first or second person?

[ October 25, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

[Susan Delgado]

Is it Frodo thinking about Lobelia?
She must have thought of something really nasty, and have come back again to say it.

[Laivine]

Is it Sam in the house of Elrond or something? Well, it probably isn't, but I had to guess smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Welcome to the Downs Laivine smilies/smile.gif

First person, Estelyn

[Childlike Empress]

Sounds like "I will do as I wish and leave when I am satisfied" but I can't think who'd say something like that. Bill Ferny?

[HerenIstarion]

Childlike Empress, quote you give sounds almost as it is in the book, though person is wrong

[Laivine]

Welcome to the Downs Laivine Thank you HerenIstarion smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

any time smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

...tossing a guess into the ring - Gandalf?

[HerenIstarion]

Hotter than ever. Final hint - if nobody gets it after this, I'll proclaim myself victorious smilies/smile.gif

Gandalf was whom person (mis)quoted was addressing

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I found it, HI - finally! I'll do as I choose and go as I please. That's Bilbo, speaking to Gandalf before the long-expected party.

[HerenIstarion]

yes, yes, yes smilies/smile.gif

go ahead

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Your arms may remember the inches. You would not be less hesitant, since your liver is more light.

[HerenIstarion]

Gimli to Legolas and Aragorn

My legs must forget the miles. They would be more willing, if my heart were less heavy

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's it, HI - go ahead with a new one!

[HerenIstarion]

This is not what I did not wish than, yes, I did not

[HerenIstarion]

*pulling the thread out of the dust

anyone wishing to try their tooth on this one? Or am I the victorious one?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Please give just a little clue to start off with, HI - I have no idea where to begin!

[HerenIstarion]

2941 T.A.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, that clue did it - trickssy, yesss! It's Gollum, speaking to himself while looking for the ring: That's what we wants now, yes; we wants it!

[HerenIstarion]

yes, pray proceed smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here never have been so many gaffers out of this country.

[Lindolirian]

Beregond .....
hang on gotta get the exact quote

[Lindolirian]

"There were always too few children in this city."

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Absolutely right, Lindolirian, and welcome to this game! Your turn next!

[Lindolirian]

Few are the normal certainties of the world, and hinderance shall not stay with the feet of the strong when the fools persevere.

[Orodoliel]

I don't have my books with me but I think I know what that is. I may write it down slightly wrongly:

Many are the strange chances of this world, and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the wise falter.

I believe it was said by Gandalf
but I don't know whereabouts.

[ November 29, 2002: Message edited by: Orodoliel ]

[Lindolirian]

Correct. To tell you the truth, I couldn't tell you where that quote is. I just got it off the top of my head, I must have read it recently.

[HerenIstarion]

Disclaimer: I'm not pursuing any other purpose but clarification:

The above was said by Gandalf in 2851 T.A at the White Council, after his discovery that Necromancer was not Nazgul but Sauron himself. The quote is given in The Silmarillion, in the chapter entitled 'Of the War of the Rings and the Third Age'

now, Orodoliel, pray proceed

(BTW, excellent quote and excellent 'backwordization' smilies/smile.gif)

[Orodoliel]

"She has not done this for a short time," yelled _____.

Who and Where?

I wasn't sure what you are meant to do when there is a name in the Quote, so I just left it blank.

[HerenIstarion]

"You had better do something quick"

the thing strider whispered to Frodo in the Prancing Pony?

[Orodoliel]

Yep!

Go ahead!

[HerenIstarion]

Her tribeswoman’s feeling will be for those which would not be a bit bitter and poor

[hobbitlass]

Yes, a hint please. As for me, all my translations are coming out pretty weird. Unless it is from anything but LotR or Hobbit, I don't recognize it.

[HerenIstarion]

alrighty than

as a hint

...Smithcraft accompanied by song is attractive, but one performing it is not popular with the person using his subordinate's work...

[LePetitChoux]

Gee, that's helpful! smilies/wink.gif

OK, I'll have a go, tell me if I am remotely close:
His nobleman's coldness was for those who were very sweet and rich
I'm guessing it is about Aragorn, but hey, I have the wrong quote, so what would I kow? smilies/frown.gif

[HerenIstarion]

'His' and 'very sweet and reach' are actual words of the quote, the rest is not smilies/wink.gif

[ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[HerenIstarion]

three days before I proclaim myself the victor

[hobbitlass]

Wait! Will you say if it is in Hobbit/Lotr or not? PUULEEEEAAASE!

[HerenIstarion]

well. since I forgot to proclaim myself a victor, I'll give a clue - there are no hobbits in the book which I quote

[HerenIstarion]

further clue-giving - the food is described by the quote

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I found it! I guess I wasn't expecting a combination of minor works and other way round... The narrator says of the cake planned by Master Cook Nokes in 'Smith of Wootton Major': His chief notion was that it should be very sweet and rich.

[HerenIstarion]

At last!!! smilies/smile.gif I think it's a record - quote to be unanswered for more than a month smilies/biggrin.gif

Pray proceed smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

OK, this is not a quote, technically speaking, but such a famous line that I couldn't resist turning it around - hope you enjoy it!
On a hill above the water here died an elf.

[Russandol]

Probably the most famousest of all the quotes!

In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit.

[ January 21, 2003: Message edited by: Russandol ]

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You're right, Russandol - and it's your turn to think up a quote in reverse!

[Russandol]

Thank 'ee kindly Estelyn

Here is my offering

"So peasants were real!" thought the older and more qualified kittens,"I never knew so!"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Oh, that's one I love, Russandol!
'So knights are mythical!' said the younger and less experienced dragons. 'We always thought so.'
from Farmer Giles of Ham

[Russandol]

Quite right Estelyn .. now the baton is passed back to you ... !

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Who said the opposite of:
They are not also big gals outside a narrow space before nothing.

[LePetitChoux]

Gandalf, in the Hobbit, nearly the last thing said in the whole book. smilies/smile.gif
"But you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Yes, LePetitChoux, that's it - your turn!

[LePetitChoux]

From pulling down no palaces by Shrimpy.

This is easy... smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was a cute version, LePetit! The 'Shrimpy' was a good clue. Actually, it's a double quote; Young Tom is telling what the ruffians said: To put up some sheds for Sharkey.

[LePetitChoux]

Yes! That wasn't very cleverly backwarded, was it.... smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Au contraire, it was very cleverly backwarded! Shrimpy as the opposite of Sharkey tickled my fancy!

You haven't pasted up the work weed!

[LePetitChoux]

We have copied down the leisure flower

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Sorry, you're on the wrong track.
Clue - third person plural...

[Elanor]

They've cut down the party tree! Sam during the Scouring of the Shire.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You got it, Elanor - and welcome to the thread! Your turn now.

[Elanor]

Thanks for letting me interrupt. smilies/smile.gif These are easier to solve than to set, so I hope this makes sense!

She feels a bit fat, and she's frail; but hard as cheese from the foot.

[ February 01, 2003: Message edited by: Elanor ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

It looks a bit thin, but it's tough; and soft as milk to the hand. Samwise, describing the rope he was given by the Elves

[Elanor]

That's the one Bruce. smilies/smile.gif Over to you.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Sorry, I had forgotten about answering on this thread.
Anyway, here goes: Nay, lest they yield under a familiar mountain, the shame that they sow elsewhere has been another's nevermore.

[LePetitChoux]

Yea, hopefully I take over a strange valley, the pride that they harvest here will be the same always.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh - nope. smilies/tongue.gif

[LePetitChoux]

Are any bits of it correct?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

A few. smilies/tongue.gif

[HerenIstarion]

sounds somehow a bit like Bard about Dain's dwarves just before the Battle of Five Armies. But some inner voice tells me I must be wrong.


Bruce?

[ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[HerenIstarion]

Bruce?

[HerenIstarion]

well, since Bruce positively have lost interest, I will brandish the sword in his stead. Next one to follow up:


A stay-at-home orc, free man captured, whom Engwar avoided and worried


who whom to + circumstances

[HerenIstarion]

just because four posts in a row is just a grass blade short of five posts in a row and surely may be a sign of an insane mind, and since I haven't posted for more than two months, and for the sake of bumping this one up. Have a go, guv(s)

[HerenIstarion]

Ok,since everybody seems clueless, I now reveal the answer (and yes, that is the fifth post in a row, hum)

That was Gwindor to Turin upon their meeting:

A wandering Elf, a thrall escaped, whom Beleg met and comforted

And, as a victor, I will give a next one straight away:


We will be cows! But nice and trustworthy deities at that, and polite too. She may have not quite catch the beautiful surnames as has been whispered before them

[Lindolirian]

We will be cows! But nice and trustworthy deities at that, and polite too. She may have not quite catch the beautiful surnames as has been whispered before them.
They have been (bulls?)! And mean but deceitful people at that, but not rude. He will surely miss the ugly names that will be shouted after us.

That's as close as I can get it. Otherwise, I have no clue but I feel so sorry for you because you've had this thread for year!

[HerenIstarion]

no worries :)

stress on "they shouted after" us bit

[Evisse the Blue]

I got it! Wheew. This one bugged me for quite a while now.

"Those were crows! And nasty suspicious-looking creatures at that, and rude as well. You must have heard the ugly names they were calling after us."
Balin to Bilbo.

Who would have thought the opposite of cow was crow? :p :D

[HerenIstarion]

well, they are different, cows and crows, are not they? And I wanted to leave a trace of a hint, just an 'r' missing, you know

Anyways, you've got it. Pray proceed :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Right, now I processed the difference between this thread and the backwards quotes thread - I was looking for antonyms all the way which might not always be the best approach here.

"Maybe your ears will be completely deaf', said Denethor. 'Oh and also you are in my debt, your host. Not once I will be late. You should offer me no donation after they come, forced by you. I might as well keep silent on everything that was yours. I gave away in the past my kitchen knives well."

[HerenIstarion]

hola, I think I've found it:

'Indeed my eyes were almost blind,' said Theoden. 'Most of all I owe to you, my guest. Once again you have come in time. I would give you a gift ere we go, at your own choosing. You have only to name aught that is mine. I reserve now only
my sword!'

[Evisse the Blue]

You have indeed. Please proceed.:)

[HerenIstarion]

next one, than:

We all have been resurrected but one of their horses, and we found one of their hospices

[HerenIstarion]

feel like a hint?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Yes, please...

[HerenIstarion]

I missapplied the hint which should have gone here to "backwards quotes" thread. So I simply repeat it here:

many frightened (and bearded) persons at once

in The Hobbit (you were correct in assuming it over there)

Dare your luck :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, that helped - here it is: They will be slain, and all our ponies too, and all our stores lost. Those are "the others" - apparently, all of the Dwarves except for Bifur, who notices that they have forgotten Bombur and Bofur in the valley, and Thorin, who answers after the quoted sentence.

(By the way, HI, it's your turn on the "minor works" trivia thread, over in the Quiz Room...)

[HerenIstarion]

corrrrect, my lady :)

Going to check over minor works trivia right away (tarried due to forgetfulness, alas)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

"Fly forward?" she shouted. "All bad for nothing! Swim upwards? Possibly! Crawl back? One of several persons to procrastinate. Off you stay!"

[HerenIstarion]

Bilbo lost in the goblin tunnels:

Go back?" he thought. "No good at all! Go sideways? Impossible! Go forward? Only thing to do! On we go

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was fast, HI! And absolutely correct, of course. Isn't that a great motto for living?!

[HerenIstarion]

Fast and Correct!

*plays with the sentence around his tongue

quite a tart aftertaste, I should say. Such a motto is worth considering, my lady.

next one:

"Are you the owner?" Prosaist asked "You have taken ours and we will remove yours"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Can we have a hint please?

[HerenIstarion]

I may give a hint by quoting Pink Floyd, I suppose:

"the wall was too high, he could not break through..."

he in the quote being Prosaist. But he was trying to avoid the necessity of breaking through the newly built wall anyways.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, additional help, as it may be:

Prosaist in question was apt not to force his way through the wall, though he had appropriate means to, but to negotiate the share of what was behind the wall. The person he was addressing was behind said wall too.

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah, so Bard is the Prosaist then. I haven't the book to hand, but it goes something like:


"Thieves we are not," said Bard. "We will give you your own in return for our own" Edit: Ah, now I have my book. The quote is:


We are not thieves," Bard answered. "Your own we will give back in return for our own."

[HerenIstarion]

that's the chap. go ahead :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks HI. :)

This may take some searching:


"Nay, nay, 'tis possible you may not ask me, slave," she whispered. "You haven't missed our solitary silence outside the Tower of Cirith Ungol. A wilderness of giants: it wasn't there that Saruman went, but has no wish to leave. They wanted to do more then than find a camel."

[HerenIstarion]

it certainly has. I personally feel like a hint :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I second that motion - it sounds like it should be a Gollum quote, beginning with "yes, yes" and including "master", but I have searched and not been able to find it.

[The Saucepan Man]

The quote is not from LotR, though it was said during the period covered by that book ...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Aaaaaaaaaaaah!! Tricksy Master Saucy!! I found it in the Unfinished Tales, 'The Hunt for the Ring' - Wormtongue is speaking to the Lord of the Nazgûl: 'Yea, yea, verily I can tell you, Lord,' he said. 'I have overheard their speech together in Isengard. The land of the Halflings: it was thence that Gandalf came, and desires to return. He seeks now only a horse.'

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe! Well done, Esty. That's the one. :)

Please proceed ...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a fast and easy one: Warm was foot or brain or flesh, or warm was waking above water

[Evisse the Blue]

"Cold be hand and heart and bone,
And cold be sleep under stone"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's right, Evisse - your turn!

[Evisse the Blue]

"You taught Miss Esmeralda that before you are old. You never heard from her poetry unlike this, failing to notice when you never wanted to see any Orcs."

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's Sam on Weathertop, speaking of the lay The Fall of Gil-Galad: I learned it from Mr. Bilbo when I was a lad. He used to tell me tales like that, knowing how I was always one for hearing about Elves.

[Evisse the Blue]

Therefore please continue. :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one:If morning out of Mordor is red
her handprints under the Sea are seen;
after the sunset she came here
off stay short with much silence.

[HerenIstarion]

easy :D

When evening in the Shire was grey
his footsteps on the Hill were heard;
before the dawn he went away
on journey long without a word.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Wow! That was fast, HI! Well, I'm sure yours will be more difficult to find out... ;)

[HerenIstarion]

we shall see :)

Life we can take undeservedly or deservedly, but patronymics he well give us not of aristocrats, or officials, or slavemasters

it is easy, after all

edit: PS for Evisse - it is not from the Hobbit, chapter 15, by the way :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, this one is familiar, though it took me a few minutes to realize that it's from the Silmarillion. Beren says to Thingol: Death you can give me earned or unearned; but the names I will not take from you of baseborn, nor spy, nor thrall.

[HerenIstarion]

Proceed, for you earned the right and deservedly are entitled to :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Try this one: Above the Sea light or short
The Queen has gone from her boudoir!
Her friend is not alive, the Eagle of Anticipation,
Nor never her friends will not rise.

[Evisse the Blue]

"Under the Mountain dark and tall
The King has come unto his hall!
His foe is dead, the Worm of Dread,
And ever so his foes shall fall."

PS for Evisse - it is not from the Hobbit, chapter 15, by the way . No, but this one is. LOL! :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's the correct quote, Evisse - though you didn't mention the speaker(s)...

[Evisse the Blue]

The speakers are the dwarves singing their little victory song.
Now for the next versified roundabout:

Stillness will be on her naked scalp,
The dunes afar from her will dim,
Close by, we heard her weak and foul,
Come crawling like a rat.

[HerenIstarion]

a little hint, perhaps? :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Famous ballad from LOTR.

[HerenIstarion]

o la la. thanks :). as I'm stuck on chapter 15 of the Hobbit, in your recent quizzing you seem to drool (if I may be allowed to use an expression) over Legolas ;). So Legolas it is, with the song of Nimrodel:


The wind was in his flowing hair,
The foam about him shone;
Afar they saw him strong and fair
Go riding like a swan.

[Evisse the Blue]

lol, that was just about as uninentional as your chapter 15 fixation...unintentional but maybe not entirely meaningless, as any psychoanalyst would not lose the opportunity to warn us... :rolleyes: ;)

Anyway - you're up!

[HerenIstarion]

Well, whatever Freid may have had to say, Huisinga rules in this thread. Victor Ludorum to go on, and next is up :D


Heated burning Sand can't be rubbed at ease
Up their replete salience. Be they fakely sad!
Worse by far is Coke, once some food they lease
Icy Sands are worst if rubbed on their head

[The Saucepan Man]

First I got this:


Cold icy earth may be struck with difficulty
Down our empty irrelevance. Are we genuinely happy?
Water is no better, when no drink we buy
Warm earth is better if struck under our feet
Which, of course, made no sense at all. But then it led me to this:


O! Water cold we may pour at need
down a thirsty throat and be glad indeed;
but better is Beer, if drink we lack,
And Water Hot poured down the back.Which is one of Bilbo's favourite bath-songs, as sung by Pippin at Crickhollow. And, by Jove, I do believe it's the answer. :)

[HerenIstarion]

spot on! Over to you :)

[The Saucepan Man]

How about this rather sad piece:


But then I see his silent hands,
And distinctly oblivious to the creeping chill,
Humourless I climb,
And eventually maintaining equilibrium
I pull him onboard, but shallow he breathes,
And finds his solemn death
As he had expected, Don’t be silly! :( ;)

[HerenIstarion]

that took a while, but I've found it nevertheless :D

And when He hears their tapping feet,
Or faintly feels the sudden heat,
With smile
HE dives,
And promptly turning upside-down
He tips them off, and deep they drown,
And lose their silly lives
To their surprise,
Be wise!

HIM being Fastitocalon

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the one. You're up, H-I. :)

[HerenIstarion]

well thank you :)

here we go again:


Water, water stone and sand
Swell and stifle! Whistling rifle!
Darken the day for them to despair
Derry dol!

Sow and reap us, gather and heap us
After cheeks pale and their breaths rale
After horn shows and hide peels
Meat denses and blood heals
And fires leap
Over the earth!

And giants will live!
So dark the day for them to despair
Derry dol!
Dol derry dol!
Derry dol!

[The Saucepan Man]

... is of course ya hey! :D

It's the Goblin's song while setting fire to the trees in which Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin and Co took had taken refuge:


Burn, burn tree and fern!
Shrivel and scorch! A fizzling torch
To light the night for our delight,
Ya hey!

Bake and toast ‘em, fry and roast ‘em!
Till beards blaze, and eyes glaze;
Till hair smells and skins crack,
Fat melts, and bones black
In cinders lie
Beneath the sky!

So dwarves shall die,
And light the night for our delight!
Ya hey!
Ya-harri-hey!
Ya hoy!

[HerenIstarion]

yes of course :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Ace. :)


Logic rotted my sprightly head
Which underground was lucky to remain;
But back I ambled, weak with feet of lead,
To cower from shadows darkening.
Avoiding tangled mountains o’er Goblin caves
He approached heavily with clumsy head,
But stayed to keep me company yet to remain
Oblivious to the uproarious peaks.

[HerenIstarion]

Enchantment healed his weary feet
That over hills were doomed to roam;
And forth he hastened, strong and fleet,
And grasped at moonbeams glistening.
Through woven woods in Elvenhome
She tightly fled on dancing feet,
And left him lonely still to roam
In the silent forest listening.

[The Saucepan Man]

Oui. D'accord. Allez, H-I. :)

[HerenIstarion]

next one, than:




The President over the oakery
The President of molten fat
The servant of wooden bakery
Have gone from where he sat

His shoes have been downtrodden
His pipes've been snapped in two
His shack with flood was sodden
His creed gone to the blue

The desert filled his tillages
The sand mounts o'er the moon
Privation seized his villages
His lead is kept by loon

The lakes are dried in sorrow
The rivers're bleak and wet
All glee have gone from morrow
He's gone from where he sat!

[Lord of Angmar]

[
The King beneath the mountains,
The King of carven stone,
The lord of silver fountains
Shall come into his own!

His crown shall be upholden,
His harp shall be restrung,
His halls shall echo golden
To songs of yore re-sung.

The woods shall wave on mountains
And grass beneath the sun
His wealth shall flow in fountains
And the river golden run.

The streams shall run in gladness,
The lakes shall shine and burn,
All sorrow fail and sadness
At the Mountain-king's return!

[HerenIstarion]

Spot on :) Proceed

[Lord of Angmar]

Greetings they chant to snow and haze!
For fire won't crackle and hearth won't blaze,
They may just stay beyond this night
Far from home and out of sight.

From Dwarrowdelf, where none now dwell
To foggy forest o'er golden dell
In grass and glen they squat in rest
To their staying none protest.

No friends they've found, nor seek at last
Along hard ground they've swiftly passed
Abruptly was their leisure ended
Their anger roused, they were upended.

Now they respite, Now they respite,
They sit awaiting starry night.

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Excellent, er, 'reverse translation', H-I. I particularly enjoyed "The President of molten fat"! :D

[HerenIstarion]

and that was hobbit travel song:



Farewell we call to hearth and hall!
Though wind may blow and rain may fall,
We must away ere break of day
Far over wood and mountain tall.

To Rivendell, where Elves yet dwell
In glades beneath the misty fell,
Through moor and waste we ride in haste,
And whither then we cannot tell.

With foes ahead, behind us dread,
Beneath the sky shall be our bed,
Until at last our toil be passed,
Our journey done, our errand sped.

We must away! We must away!
We ride before the break of day!

[HerenIstarion]

Since I can safely bet on my previous answer to be correct, and following LoA's absence, with one week rule in mind, and not wishing for this thread to die out, pray be presented with the next quote:

Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

keenness of observation will help you more than anything in guessing it out :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Not to let this fade; I'm useless without my books, but surely others could use a hint. :)