East Coast BD

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Beren87 and I were talking earlier and the subject of the Seattle meeting came up. I think that it would be a good idea for us on the East Coast to make an effort to do the same sort of thing sometime.

Any suggestions for a place? Pittsburgh was suggested - any others?

Is there anyone else interested?

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Faye Took]

That would be a wondeful idea! Even though I'm from California, I still think they should have one up in the East Coast. Pittsburgh would be a good idea to have it.

[Beren87]

Yes yes, I think everyone here should meet. smilies/rolleyes.gif

I would most certainly attempt to come, but it would rest on my ability to drive to Pittsburgh (only 3 hours from where I live).

[alquadae]

I have been thinking that would be a great idea [Boston,New York, Philly.? moot moot moot moot

[Merri]

I could try to come. I think Pittsburgh is about an hour or so away from where I live.

Of course, whether I come or not all depends on what my Mom says about the matter, so . . . I dunno. I don't find it very likely that I will . . . But I'm still putting in my vote for this happening!!


(I'm a Shade of Carn Dum!! YAY!!! smilies/biggrin.gif)

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ]

[Rimbaud]

Philadelphia's better than Pittsburgh. More art, less steel. Pbrgh does have an Andy Warhol museum though...

[Lush]

Uh, I have a better idea. How about Durham, NC? What's not to love? You have a bus stop, a bar with underage drinking, and a crack house... smilies/biggrin.gif

Ok, seriously, I'd be willing to drag my little butt to Pittsburgh or Philly, unless anyone has a better idea.

[The Barrow-Wight]

I'm in Richmond, VA, so I might be able to make it to an east coast BD gathering.

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

An east coast gathering sounds great! Philly sounds good, I don't know how I'd get there though. I'd have to ask my mom and see if she freaks out or lets me go. I live in MD so an east coast get-together sounds cool.

Aylwen

[Beren87]

Ah, I prefered Pittsburgh, but its for the good of the whole I suppose.

The Warhol museum is quite nice, Rimbaud. For a Tolkien-esqe gathering however, Philadelphia would probably be better. It has more of the "old world" charm I think.

[Rimbaud]

It was only a suggestion, I didn't mean to hijack proceedings. smilies/smile.gif

I have heard that of the Warhol, Beren, I had the opportunity to go earlier this year, and did not. A pity.

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Rimbaud ]

[Beren87]

Oh, that it is. I was there for an entire 10 minutes before it closed.

I don't mind where we meet, Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.

Edit: I have decided we seriosuly do not need the 'insert' key, as it serves no purpose except to make me edit my posts.

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

I could probably come if I have a car by whenever this will be.
I live in the Midwest, so it's more likely for me to go East than West (less distance)... besides, I haven't heard of many other BDers being from the Midwest.

[VanimaEdhel]

*coughNewYorkcough* For those of us that cannot drive because they are only fifteen (although I'm getting my Learner's in under five months), anywhere other than their home town is quite inconvenient.

Anyway: we all know New York has the best museums anyway. smilies/wink.gif In any case: you could check out Broadway plays and the like. And the FRICK is the best art museum ever, in my opinion. It used to be a house, and the collection is the former owner's private collection.

[Merri]

I see a lot more chance in me being able to go to New York than in me going to Pittsburg. And maybe I can drag my other LOTR-crazed friend along! He's not on the Barrowdowns, though. I should try to convince him to join.

[Beren87]

Well, we were just trying to pick a location about midway along the east coast.

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

How about Baltimore? There's a lot of things to do there, and it is about the middle of the east cost...almost smilies/biggrin.gif . If you guys want a more historical activity there are lots of cool things to do in Annapolis too. smilies/biggrin.gif

Just a suggestion!

Aylwen

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Heh.
I must say I am pleasantly surprised by the reaction to this thread.

The other question besides 'Where?' then would be 'When?' Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? If we plan far enough in advance, then more of us would be able to show up.

[Birdland]

Wow, a B-D gathering where I could meet some of the best and brightest of the Downs, including the Grand Poohbah B-W himself? It's like a dream come true!

Well, no, not really. A dream come true would be...uh, never mind. But it does sound like a lot of fun! P-Burg, Philly, or New York all sound fine to me. I'm foot-loose and fancy free, so whatever weekend you all choose is good.

I've attended a couple of other web-based gatherings and had a ball, so I would be very much into meeting you all down whatever dark alley you choose.

Oh, and Lush, I can drink you under the table!

Tigerlily - I'm in the Midwest, too. I'm in Ohio. It's to the right of you as you're facing Canada. smilies/biggrin.gif

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Birdland ]

[Orald]

Pittsburgh would be excellent, there is the Cathedral of Learning and the Carnegie Museum. They are right across the street from one another, plus there are several other things to do in the area because all the colleges are right there.

Personally, I would love to for Pittsburgh to be the meeting place.

[Lush]

Oh, and Lush, I can drink you under the table!

Most people can. That's the disadvantage of being a lightweight. I shall look forward to it though. smilies/biggrin.gif

[onewhitetree]

My vote is for Philadelphia. When, as long as the "when" is not mid-week, is not an issue for me so much. Anywhere much more north of Philly would most likely be out of the question for me.

Besides, as far as museums go, Rodin kicks Warhol's butt deep into the ground any day of the year.

[Beren87]

As for when, it simply must be in the summer. Preferrably after June (for me) or in other words Malaria season...

I would suggest only a one to three day affair however, with dinner and such.

[Nuranar]

Tigerlily, does Texas count as the Midwest? smilies/biggrin.gif Probably not, it doesn't really fit in with anything... smilies/tongue.gif

That said, I may actually be (more or less) on the East Coast about the time of this proposed gathering. The only sure thing I know is that I'll camping in Gettysburg over the Fourth of July weekend. Who knows, it may happen... smilies/wink.gif

[mark12_30]

This has appeal. How are we going to connect faces to real names to nicks??? My associative powers are far too limited and my associative memory takes up about half a KB-- it's one of the reasons I'm an introvert.

So... I'll be the one hiding in the corner.

[Birdland]

So... I'll be the one hiding in the corner.
Uh-Uh. smilies/biggrin.gif

How will we all know each other? We'll wear funny hats. I've just got to quit smoking, or else I'LL be the one sitting in a corner. (Or standing outside looking through the window.)

[Merri]

Oh, well, if it's going to be in the summertime, then I'll be in Boston, hopefully, round abouts Harvard Square. There's no way I'm getting to New York then. But if I get into Governor's School . . .

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ]

[Rimbaud]

Rodin is free too. And next to my house. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Birdland]

Rodin is free too. And next to my house.
We'll think about it, Rimbaud. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Rimbaud]

I'm not pushy and/or lazy, I just do very convincing impressions.

[Birdland]

Rodin..."think"...oh, never mind...

[Rimbaud]

*bangs head repeatedly against wall*

It's even right in the entrance, where I drink coffee more than once a week. Forgive my outrageous ineptitude for punnery. smilies/wink.gif

[Raefindel]

You'll have to have a sign that says No Admittance Except on Party Business!

[alquadae]

Greetings all!
I have been thinking all day about a Barrowmoot.
Let me field some questions.
If we met in the warm weather {after school is out} would more B-D`s be able to attend?
What about a moot in conjunction with a renaissance faire? We have King Richards Faire in my neck of the woods. Costumes etc. Camping and motels are local. Went on line and noticed fairs in the areas under consideration. Comments? Any local knowledge we could tap?
I also looked for a Tolkien convention, no luck, any body know of one we might consider?
Alquadae

[VanimaEdhel]

Question: Where are you located, alquadae?

After reading all of this, I propose we try to find a happy-medium. How about somewhere in Connecticut or New Jersey?

And I propose, when we have this little to-do, we wear nametags. Make them yourself out of whatever, decorate them, and make them yours.

And as long as it isn't mid-June I'll be fine. I'm going to Russia in mid-June...and August: no August for me either. I'll be in far Western New York then.

[Beren87]

I think Penn. is the way to go, about halfway between NY and VA.

What are we going to do?Any suggestions?

[Aratlithiel]

Well, let's see...I used to live in Richmond and would dearly love to re-visit. (Would be interested to know if we know any of the same haunts, BW.) I live fairly close to Phila. so that's OK too. I have family in NC so I'm pretty easy as far as location. However, I've just been told this evening that my husband has been offered a position in Louisville, KY (promotion for him but leaving a fantastic job I love for me - and PACKING - argh!) beginning in April so who knows where I'll be by the time this whole thing is settled. I won't vote - I'll just keep an eye on you guys & hopefully be able to show up when the time comes.

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Aratlithiel ]

[Birdland]

As I said before, I'm open as to the city, I can drive to PA, or take a flight further, and the time as well, though I do like spring more than summer.

But who's going to be in charge of this? Is this Bruce's baby? Is he the C.O.W. (Chief Organizing Wight) of this Barrowmoot?

Raefindel - You seemed to have organized these things. Any suggestions?

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Birdland ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Once we come to a general idea of when and where (even a vague notion), I'm willing to get things going in regards to details. Organizing, or at least delegating, things is no problem.

PS - Personally, I vote for meeting this summer in Pittsburgh, it seems to be more central to most of us than any other place mentioned. I am, however, willing to go with the majority on it.

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Bêthberry]

Should the Barrowmoot coincide with our usual summer trip to DC in July, I could make any of Pittsburgh (shudder), Philly, or DC's environs. I love Annapolis.

On the other hand, with the exchange rate, you could certainly get much more for your money here in Toronto. And we have not only Rodins here, but stunning Henry Moores as well. And as for Warhol, well, there is that major collection on the drive up here, in (shudder) Buffalo. smilies/wink.gif

Bethberry

[Raefindel]

Birdie, I don't know if you could say I've really organized anything. It was just me and Maril when we met. I just hopped a ferry and met her at McDonald's.

However, If you plan it for summer a Park is a good Idea then people with families can let their kids come. You'll probably have a better turn-out that way and it would probably be a lot cheaper, too.

[VanimaEdhel]

Knowing my parents, they probably will not let me go either way (I understand their concern). But I still feel like putting my dollar-fifty in, if you do not mind.

Pennsylvania sounds like a good place. And family sounds good too.

I vote that you/we dress up if you/we can, if that is within your/our power. I also like the nametag idea. That way, if someone/I forget(s) another person's name, they/I can say something like, "Can you pass the salt...erm...Bethberry?" Then someone/I get(s) thoroughly self-conscious, but soon learn the other people's names.

Ooo! Or you/we could have your screenname with your/our real names underneath it! Better idea!

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: VanimaEdhel ]

[alquadae]

Greetings all!
I`ve been snooping arround and found a renaissance fair in Lancaster Pa. They appear to be open all year long for functions. I would be willing to drive down to check it out, sort of a pathfinder.Anybody else"willing to have a peep" I found the site at wwwroyalspk@parenfaire.com but that doesn`t seen to work all the tine so you can find it by search mode at PA renaissance faire. At least with this venue we would be in the same costume "ballpark" My 17 year old is up for this to. Iam not sure what expections are out there, or what we want to do . I would be up for a weekend as I am traveling from Boston.
Fair winds and following seas
Alquadae

[Birdland]

I really would like to meet some fellow Downers, but Birdie don't do costumes. Wearing a nametag is about as much as I could stand.

[Beren87]

I'm up for anything. I've an Hobbit costume I can dredge up.

Hey, if we have enough people we can get a 'group rate' at the Museum.

[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[mark12_30]

This should be fun. We'll have a bunch of hobbits, elves, dwarves, wizards, orcs, wights, wraiths, and Numenoreans, all squinting at a nametag and exclaiming, "Who's this all costumed up like a seventh-ager??? Golly, she looks out of place. I can't see the name tag, can you? Wait... wait. ....Birdland? Birdie! I thought you weren't into costumes! You look outlandish! Foreign! Couldn't you have worn something NORMAL???"

[Merri]

New Jersey is also midway between NY and VA!! I root for NJ . . . though I'd probably be more likely to be able to go if it were somewhere in Boston. If my summer plans unfold accordingly, that is!

Yay!!!!!!! A Barrowdowns meeting!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Birdland, don't worry about it, I'd probably come as a 7th ager as well. (A 7th ager from the Mid-Westernesse!)

If it is family friendly I would stand a chance of getting there. Pittsburgh would be ideal for me. Baltimore would be my second choice (used to live there, in a nice sandy hobbithole on a hillside). Lancaster or D.C. would be a bit more of an ordeal but do-able.

Thinking that maybe we should break it up into smaller regions, maybe. Mid-atlantic, south east, etc. Is that a terrible nasty idea?

I'm a hobbit gosh darn it! Travel's not natural-like. So I root for Pittsburgh! There and back again in 1 day!

[Aylwen Dreamsong]

Philly and Pittsburgh are alright, but I'd prefer Baltimore as well. Besides, if we need a scout to check things out in Baltimore I'd be happy to help. I'd be willing to try for something farther north, though.

Aylwen

I'd come dressed as a seventh ager, probably... smilies/wink.gif

[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: Aylwen Dreamsong ]

[Merri]

I don't know why I insist on putting my two cents in- I probably won't even be able to go! Still, I figure it's worth a shot.

I like the park idea, and I like the dressing up idea. That way, you/we won't have to go up to random people on the streets asking them, "Are you a Barrowdowner?" and getting weird looks in response. Of course, by dressing up we/you would get weird looks anyway . . . but *shrug* whatever smilies/smile.gif

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I seem to remember there being a big Park between Baltimore and Philadephia but I can't remember the name...

Ah, here it is Longwood Gardens (http://www.longwoodgardens.org/). It's kind of out of the way though.

Then there's Hershey Park (http://www.hersheypark.com/) in Pennsylvania!

These do come with expenses though.

[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hilde Bracegirdle ]

[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hilde Bracegirdle ]

[VanimaEdhel]

New Jersey actually sounds like a happy idea to me.

Sadly, I'd probably wimp out and end up coming as a Seventh Ager too...you could just say, "Who's that really tall, blonde girl in the little teeny clothing? Oh, must be VanimaEdhel! And that pretty tag! Did she make it? Yes, but her mommy did the Calligraphy lettering!"

Then I'd open my mouth, most likely talking about the moon phase, asking whether the stone on your necklace works as a pendulum or not, and asking if anyone else knows Tarot, and you'd see how weird I was, and you'd all run away...

Anyway: New Jersey would most likely be a more feasible option if you actually want the freaky New York girl to attend...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

OK - We've had a number of places proposed. The ones that are more feasible, at least to me, are Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. These seem to be the most central to the most people.
I like the Toronto idea as well. The only problem I have with is that while it is only a couple hours away from me, it is a bit out of the way for many people.
There have been other things suggested, such as large parks, the Ren Faire site, etc. The only problem with these is that I'm sure that many people will be travelling quite a distance, myself included. If I'm going to be travelling that far, I will want to do more with you guys than just meet up and say 'Hello.'
My idea is that we can meet on some Saturday at a city park for an 'eat-and-greet' picnic lunch, then move on in the later afternoon to a museum or other attraction. We can easily get reservations for dinner together and then (for those willing and old enough) off to the pub for a few pints. Heh - I'm going to do that even if no one else does. smilies/wink.gif
I prefer Pittsburgh or Philly because I have friends or relatives in both towns that can be used as 'local guides' for places to do these things.
Also, since many of us will be travelling and more than likely needing a place to stay, I am also willing to find out information for group discounts at local hotels. This also means that we can still hang out on Sunday - hit the movies, whatever.


So - the short version is that we need to narrow it down to one of these two places (Pittsburgh or Philadelphia), since those are the places I am willing to set something up in. I think we should bring it to a vote. Those that would probably attend if we met up in one of these two cities - please post your choice.

We can work out exact details of our plans later - I just want this bit resolved first.

[ February 02, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Yavanna Kementari]

Ahh *claps her hands* This is so great!!
I would love to join this!! I know there is a Ren faire that takes place every summer for like 3 or 4 months,(I live in Pennsylvania)
Pittsburgh sounds good too. Let me get back to you on the where and when of the Ren faire. I would love to go as me!!! smilies/smile.gif
-(~<~> Yavanna

[burrahobbit]

I'm going to Philly in March.

[onewhitetree]

Regardless of when this moot takes place, I and a few others of the site (and a few others not of the site, but of good merit nevertheless) are meeting in DC and Philly in mid-March (St. Patty's Day week) to do some sightseeing and that sort of thing. Since there are already several of us going, this might be a good idea to work around, or not. Since I am the delegated taxi for a portion of this crowd, I'm willing to be flexible, but keep in mind I live in south Georgia, and am not going to drive to New Jersey/Canada!

Edit: I am not dressing like a hobbit.

[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: onewhitetree ]

[Lush]

I could certainly go to either Pittsburgh or Philly, provided that our moot does not coincide with my trip home to Kiev.

Like Birdie, I don't do costumes, unless it's Halloween and I'm a little tipsy.

Unlike Birdie, I have already taken that momentous step and quit smoking (again).

If I don't jet off to Eastern Europe, I shall look forward to meeting everyone who can make it! smilies/smile.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

I and a few others of the site (and a few others not of the site, but of good merit nevertheless) are meeting in DC and Philly in mid-March Since there is going to be a meeting in March, I suggest that those that can make it go then. Since I'm sure that many wouldn't be able to, I am going to plan for something later in the spring or early summer.

[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Beren87]

Good Plan.

Early July seems nice.

[burrahobbit]

Not nearly nice enough, imho.

[Phrim]

Some of you folks may not know me, I just lurk on the forums, but I'm in the chat all the time. In any case, I live in NJ outside of Philly, and I'd love to come to any sort of get-together that may be taking place. In any case, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, Lancaster, etc., would all be cool for me; Pittsburgh is a bit far.

As far as timing, I'll echo Kate's preference for weekends, but other than that, I'm fairly open. Early July seems good, since Bethberry and Vanima will be around. Might I suggest Independence Day weekend?

[Birdland]

Hi, Phrim! Actually, July 4th weekend would be a very bad time to do this, since most Downers will be spending time with their 7th Age families. A non-holiday weekend would be the best. (I assume we at least all agree that this should be on a weekend, right?) Plus can you picture us out-of-towners trying to get a hotel room in Philly on Independence Day weekend? smilies/eek.gif

I'm leaning towards Philly, myself. I don't know much about Pittsburgh, except that it has steel mills. Or it did have steel mills.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

A non-holiday weekend would be the best. (I assume we at least all agree that this should be on a weekend, right?) Yes, a non-holiday weekend is definitely what I have in mind.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

So is Pittsburgh OK then? Seems like a lot of us wouldn't mind going there.

[onewhitetree]

If you mean Pittsburgh for July, then that's fine. However, if you mean Pittsburgh for the March meeting, then no. DC and Philly are the limits.

[Cúdae]

I don't think my car will last me to Pittsburgh or Philly- it drives about 5 miles in a day and only about 18 miles per hour. But, if I can, I'll be there. Maybe I'll get my brother to lend me his car. Then I'd be the one in the red corvette. Fun. smilies/smile.gif

I noticed some other Massachusettians on this board and I know there are more lurking around the 'Downs. If anyone wanted to speak up about a meeting of Massachusettians (I'm thinking King Richard's Faire- perfect time of the year, nice location, horrible parking, and outrageous prices, what more could you want?), I'd be willing to help co-ordinate.

Back the th east-coast meeting- My personal vote is for Philly, but I don't mind Pittsburgh. I'm a little frightened by New York, but I have nothing against it. New Jersey's nice. Washington and points south are beyond me.

I will make whatever effort I can to be at one though! smilies/smile.gif

--Aran/Cúdae

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Yep. Pittsburgh or Philly in June or July.

I still need more input as to what people would prefer.

[Lush]

I'd prefer July, but what do I matter?

[mark12_30]

As a matter of fact, babe, you're one of the main reasons I'd like to go.

[Lush]

Awwww. smilies/smile.gif

Well, if anybody else wants to see me, you'll be able to see me in July. Or in August. In June, I should be in Eastern Europe, should being the key term here. You never know with Russian people, we always do things very last-minute.

[Merri]

Cúdae, where in Massachusetts is that? I'll be in the Boston area from late June to early August, hopefully. So, I could do something around Harvard-Square . . .

[mark12_30]

Harvard Square? (ears twitch) Hey, that's not far for me either. Nice public place. Wonder if The Harvard Coop is still there-- great huge bookstore. Should have every conceivable LOTR book in stock... shame on 'em if they don't...

Richard's Faire, however, isn't for me... Not my kind of thing...

[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

[Merri]

Richard's Faire? What's that?

I'm hopefully going to be spending the summer at a summer school program at Harvard (I know, it sounds weird, I'm looking forward to summer school, but they offer really cool college-level courses in things like Tibetan and Sanskrit and . . . well, all sorts of stuff. PM me if you want the link), which is why I'll be near Harvard-Square and able to meet anyone nearby.


[EDIT]: And I think college students can join it too . . .

[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Lush, you have just made a very strong case for July rather than June. smilies/wink.gif

[alquadae]

King Richards Faire (http://www.kingrichardsfaire.net/)

[Merri]

That sounds fun . . . but I doubt I'll be able to go . . .

[Phrim]

Well, looks like we're pretty set on July, for either Pittsburgh or Philly. Did a quick tally of people who have expressed definite opinions on the location, here's what I came up with:

Pittsburgh
-----------------
Bruce MacCulloch
Beren87
Durelen
Hilde Bracegirdle

Philadelphia
-----------------
Rimbaud
Aylwen Dreamsong
onewhitetree
Phrim

Anyone else have a vote?

[onewhitetree]

Excuse me, but I do believe that my vote counts twice.

[Birdland]

My vote's for Philly, but I will abide by the majority.

July is fine with me, just so long as it is not the July 4th holiday weekend. (Reasons for that sited above.)

[VanimaEdhel]

Pennsylvania, huh? Count me out of the running then, as I cannot come if it's out of New York State...oh well, maybe next time...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Thank you, Phrim.

After Birdland's tie-breaker vote, Philly it is. (Even without having to use up Kate's second vote smilies/tongue.gif )

Now we just need to decide a specific weekend.

[Phrim]

Vanima, taking a commuter train from NYC to Philadelphia isn't that difficult at all. I could even offer to pick you up at the train station if you wanted...

[XPhial]

I'm happy to act as chaperone if your parents are going to put up a fight as well, Vanima. I vote second weekend in July, if my vote counts for anything.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ah tartar sauce! I was hoping for Pittsburgh, that would have been too good to be true! Turns out it was.

Don't know if I'll be able to make it, but if I can any weekend but that of June 21 is OK at this point.

[ February 17, 2003: Message edited by: Hilde Bracegirdle ]

[Phrim]

Myself, I'll be unavailable on the weekends of June 28th and July 26th.

[Lush]

Well, July 26th is my birthday, so hopefully I'll be doing something WAY COOLER than hanging out with a bunch of Tolkien enthusiasts... smilies/biggrin.gif

Kidding, kidding. Seriously, I'd prefer it not to be the 26th, because I have to spend my birthday with the fam. But that's just my preference, and you guys are free to file it away and disregard it henceforth.

[Beren87]

Well, the week after July 4th isn't good for me as I should be with Collette Took that week. The third week in July would be nice I think.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Tentative date then is July 19.
How does this sound?

[XPhial]

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Beren87]

Spiffy.

[Birdland]

That date would probably work for me as well.

[Lush]

I will try my darnest to be there on the 19th then!

[onewhitetree]

Good for me too.

[Birdland]

Wow. You mean this could actually, really happen?

[Mithadan]

BW, Sharku, Mr Underhill and I have been monitoring this thread and others like it. While we understand why members would want to meet one another, we are a bit concerned and wish to emphasize that care must be taken if you choose to arrange such a meeting.

First, the Barrow-Downs itself is not involved in organizing such meetings and does not intend to be in the future. These meetings are arranged by individuals or groups of individuals and we take no responsibility for the outcome. The decision to meet is made by individual members at their own risk. We are not providing transportation, accomodations or security and are not involved in the choice of locale or the agenda.

If you choose to meet, individually or in groups, please think it through, plan carefully and be careful! Meet in public with other persons present. Make sure that others know where you are going and who you are meeting. Think twice before providing personal information to other members such as e-mail addresses, telephone numbers or home addresses and do not send anyone money or credit card information.

We're sorry to throw a wet blanket over this but we are concerned about peoples' safety and want to emphasize that this is not an "official", sanctioned event sponsored by the Barrow-Downs. If you choose to meet, good luck and we hope that you enjoy yourselves. But please be careful!

[Birdland]

Very good advise, Admins. I have participated in a meet with members of another board, and had a very good time, but caution and common sense are required. After all, you may think you know someone from writing with them online, but "real life" is entirely another matter.

I will state that (get ready for the screams and groans) any "meetings" between B-D members should be an "adults only" party, and I would not participate in any meetings involving underage members. And under no circumstance should any underage Barrow Downer be accepting offers from adult members for rides to meetings or arrangements to help them attend.

For pity sakes don't post phone numbers or e-mail addresses online! And after the rough draft of a meeting has been agreed to, the final meeting places should be kept between those attending only. Don't want any party crashers, now do we?

I generally believe that 99% of the members of this board are who they say they are. This isn't, after all, one of those open-to-all internet chat rooms, and the focus of the Downs is so narrow that it doesn't attract too many crazies. But keep your private life private is my motto, and always leave yourself an out.

[VanimaEdhel]

I will state that (get ready for the screams and groans) any "meetings" between B-D members should be an "adults only" party, and I would not participate in any meetings involving underage members. And under no circumstance should any underage Barrow Downer be accepting offers from adult members for rides to meetings or arrangements to help them attend.

As my parents and I both have as much sense as Birdland, that is why I must decline any offers for you to pick me up. I trust you, XPhial, but this is the Internet: even though I'm sure you are not an axe-murderer, you never can be too sure.

And I will most likely still be sleeping off my jetlag from Russia anyway.

"adults only" party

In the future, if I was free and brought a chaperone (such as my ultra-hip mom who is just as obsessed as I am...except that she likes Johnny Depp a bit more than Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen smilies/wink.gif ...and who is my best friend in the world), would that be okay? Not that it will matter, considering that in a little over two years, I will be able to come on my own. Just a quick question...

[ February 23, 2003: Message edited by: VanimaEdhel ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

In the future, if I was free and brought a chaperone (such as my ultra-hip mom who is just as obsessed as I am...except that she likes Johnny Depp a bit more than Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen ...and who is my best friend in the world), would that be okay? Personally, I would have no problem with that in the future. However, since we have yet to have a 'get-together', (Yes, I am being very careful to keep from the semblance of 'officialness' smilies/wink.gif ) I think it would be prudent to follow Birdland's 'adults only' guideline this time.

[ March 07, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Lush]

I'm an adult (*shock*). So, wait, does this actually mean that if this even indeed happens, and I indeed will be able to make to Philly without the P.O.S. expiring on me half-way down the road, then I will be stuck in mature company and mature company only? smilies/eek.gif

P.S. Birdie, have you quit smoking yet? Because I just started again.

[Birdland]

then I will be stuck in mature company and mature company only?
Yeah, Lush, old farts whereever you look. We're planning on staging the Battle of Helm's Deep with our walkers.

(Sigh) Still smoking, though I have a plan. Give it up, girl. Smokers are pariahs anymore.

[mark12_30]

staging helm's deep with our walkers

ROFL! Birdie hobbles into the meeting with forty orc-action-figures dangling off of her walker, and Lush rushes forward with Aragorn to fend them off-- but-- fffwttt!-- somebody shoots a little plastic Legolas arrow right through Birdie's purse strap and she tumbles, walker and all, back into the crowd...

[ February 25, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

[Beren87]

"adults only" party

Sad too, as this was my idea smilies/rolleyes.gif. But, you do have a good point, and I must admit I never get tired of age discrimination. (I do see your point however)

Actually, I should probably ask, what do you consider "adult"?

[ February 26, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Lush]

Actually, I should probably ask, what do you consider "adult"?

18 and up.

Yeah, Lush, old farts whereever you look. We're planning on staging the Battle of Helm's Deep with our walkers.

How fun! Can I sit on the sidelines and laugh, and pretend I don't know you guys? smilies/biggrin.gif I suppose I shouldn't tell you that my nickname in school used to be "tomb-raider," for my penchant for older men, that is. smilies/evil.gif

Still smoking, though I have a plan. Give it up, girl.

Well, I suppose I should implement a fewllo BD member's rule on cigarettes: special occasions only.

[Beren87]

Actually, I should probably ask, what do you consider "adult"?

18 and up.

I think if you can drive there you should be able to come, honestly. There's no sense in excluding people, but do what you want.

[Lush]

Beren, if something happens to you, or to anyone else who chooses to attend and is coincidentally under the age of 18, your parents will have every right to press charges against the other people involved. This is why there is now an age limit. Not because anyone is trying to discriminate, they just don't want to go to jail, or get their pants sued off.

[ February 26, 2003: Message edited by: Lush ]

[Birdland]

Yes, Beren. Lush is right. Anyone under the age of 18 would have to have the permission of their parents to attend any get-togethers of people on this board, and would have to be escorted by their folks. I just can't see too many parents agreeing to such a thing. (Unfortunately, with good reason, considering some of the horrific things that have happened to kids from talking to strangers online.)

Now of course, I wouldn't include an innocuous site like the Barrow-Downs in the same vein as a wide-open chat room where the focus is solely to "meet" people. But I would still have to question the wisdom of a parent who would allow a minor to attend such an event.

On the other hand; if an adult B-Der were to attend with their own children, that would be a different matter. But I would think that the kids would get totally bored and restless after a little while.

"Aw Mom! How much longer are you gonna sit there talkin' Tolkien??"

[ February 27, 2003: Message edited by: Birdland ]

[Beren87]

and would have to be escorted by their folks.

And what is the purpose of that? Your stereotyping, and I find it quite annoying.

(And I already have the permission of my parents)

[ February 27, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[VanimaEdhel]

Your stereotyping, and I find it quite annoying.

I think they mean it more as a safety issue than as a question of your maturity. Also it puts your parents even more at ease.

[Beren87]

I think they mean it more as a safety issue than as a question of your maturity. Also it puts your parents even more at ease.

Safety from what? Them? Do they not trust themselves?

And I've been to Pittsburgh (and quite a lot of places on my own, my parents are well at ease, thanks)

[onewhitetree]

See, Beren87, the thing is that you never know, and your parents never know, and whether they say it's all right or not doesn't necessarily mean that it is. I can't tell you how many kids I've put on the rack in my days, and those are the lucky ones. Trust me, you don't want to hang around us. I mean, just imagine what Lush might do to you, were she to forget her court orders.

[Beren87]

Right then.


Edit: Just realised how appropriate the latter portion of my signature is.

[ February 27, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Birdland]

Actually, I should probably ask, what do you consider "adult"?
Adult - Someone who, by law, can take sole responsibility for his own decisions and actions. i.e., someone over the age of 18.

Beren, if you family trusts me enough to feel that you can safely meet me in a public place, having never met me or knowing anything about me, then I am flattered. However; I respectfully decline the responsibility.

I am sure you are a very wonderful person, and I would very much enjoy meeting you as a fellow Barrow Downer - but only in the presence of your parents.

That's my final word on the subject. (Boy, am I a hard case or what?)

[Lush]

I mean, just imagine what Lush might do to you, were she to forget her court orders.

I'm going to file that one away under "peculiar compliment." smilies/biggrin.gif

Seriously, where is Mithadan? He's a lawyer. He's up on his laws. Because if our authority doesn't convince you, Beren, his authority should.

[Suldaledhel]

This has been an interesting thread. I would consider making a chance appearance, but alas, I know myself all to well (well enough to know I'm not going to drive to Philly from NY). Ugh... that means I would have to leave the Island and drive through the city with all the commuter traffic (depending upon the time). As for a train, no thanks, I can barely stand the 1/2 hour ride to Manhattan, when I have to make it.

Anyway, I believe I'm already busy during that week, to boot. A friend and I were planning an excusion to Mt. Washington one last time before swaggering off to college in September. Perhaps if there's ever another one of these meeting-type-sessions scheduled, I might grace you all with my long-forgotten presence. ;}

[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Suldaledhel ]

[red]

You are never forgotten, Sudsy. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Beren87]

Beren, if you family trusts me enough to feel that you can safely meet me in a public place, having never met me or knowing anything about me, then I am flattered.

Who on earth said they trust you?? They trust me, dear sir. But honestly, what is the problem? When it comes down to it, it's not your decision it's my parents more than anything and if they say there is no problem than I don't see one either. But, make whatever choice you will. Either way I'll be going to Cali for a BD meeting involving ColletteTook, FayeTook, Aengreatha Greenleaf, and Thengise Greenleaf. So I'll still be at a meeting regardless of whatever choice the small-minded "adults" decide to make.

[ March 01, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[alquadae]

Didn't someone once say "It's a dangerous business going out your front door"?

[Lush]

So I'll still be at a meeting regardless of whatever choice the small-minded "adults" decide to make.


I'd normally take offense at being called small-minded, but I'll let the fact that one is apparently too preoccupied with lambasting poor geezers such as myself ( smilies/wink.gif ) to read up on this country's laws speak for itself.

[Beren87]

What's to read? Consent was given to a minor by their parents! By law if permission is granted in writing by both parents, then there is no responsibility on anyone else's part. So would you like me to to get a field-trip permission form signed!? Maybe that would ease your mind. I really don't know, and quite frankly I give up at any amount of an argument here. Quite obviously you have a problem with me, so as stated I'll simply be in California. I do wish for the best of luck with whatever you decide to do and hope you all have a wonderful amount of fun.

[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Birdland]

(Sigh.)
Consent was given to a minor by their parents! By law if permission is granted in writing by both parents, then there is no responsibility on anyone else's part.
Not true.
Quite obviously you have a problem with me...
Again, not true.

Beren - I will state this simply. I choose not to attend any non-sanctioned, unofficial, casual meeting of online acquaintances where unescorted minors will be present. If I come to this get-together, and find that there are unescorted minors there, I will leave. Simple as that.

I look forward to seeing Philly, which I hear is a very interesting city. And I think it would be fun to meet with fellow Tolkienphiles from the Barrow-Downs. But if I do choose to come to a "get-together", then I am taking it as a matter of faith that the people who are going to be there will all be over the age of 18, or if not, will be escorted by a parent or adult legal guardian.

That's the terms I have set for myself before I attend any get-together, either here at the Downs or any other forum I participate in online. That's my "comfort level". Others may feel differently. Again, I take it as a matter of faith that other people attending are being honest with me, and I will not be making a six-hour car trip and spending money on a hotel for nothing. (Well, not strictly for "nothing". I'll still get to see Philly.)

BTW Beren - It speaks volumes for my argument that apparently you don't even know whether I am a male or a female. (I'm a 47-year-old female. But then, you'll just have to take my word on that.)

I apologize if I have upset you, but I do not apologize for my opinion.

[Beren87]

Your name is non-gender specific, I'm not a mind reader Birdland and didn't learn you were female until seeing your picture.

Anyway, forget everything I've said because I can't come anyway. I'll be in California at that time meeting ColletteTook and etc. So, again, do have a good time. Perhaps in time someone will learn a bit of common-sense, but I doubt it. Either way, the best of luck to you.

I apologize if I have upset you
Oh, I'm not upset in the slightest. I do see your point, but stick with my opinion your being very small-minded. It speaks volumes for my argument that you can judge just on the fact that I am a minor (which, I won't be for long but that's another matter).

And on another note, why would you be responsible? I am quite curious of this? I was under the impression that when conset is given by the guardian that all responsibility is taken by the guardian.

[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Tar-Palantir]

I was under the impression that when conset is given by the guardian that all responsibility is taken by the guardian

This is not set in stone, liabilty is not so easily removed. If you decided to swill a beer for instance, any present adult could be held responsible. In essence, you are in their keeping, their responsibility, a note from your parents is not an emancipation from laws governing the freedoms of minors.

[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Beren87]

If you decided to swill a beer for instance

That was number one on the list too... smilies/wink.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

right in front of smoking and a little vandalism no doubt... You'll be glad to hear that all those destructive urges disappear the minute you turn 18. smilies/wink.gif

[Birdland]

Beren - Have a great time in CA, and no hard feelings.

To quote a conversation I used to have with my mom:

Mom: "Have a good time and be careful."
Me: "Well, which is it, Mom?"

smilies/smile.gif

[Lush]

right in front of smoking and a little vandalism no doubt... You'll be glad to hear that all those destructive urges disappear the minute you turn 18.

Speak for yourself, yo! smilies/wink.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

OK, we need to start coming up with ideas for what we want to do. I'm going to take the rest of this discussion off-thread, for privacy issues addressed earlier. PM me, folks.

[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]