Sex in the movies????

[Sharkû]

<BR>Catchy headlines always work <br> <br> But seriously, how can anyone plan to make a very expensive trilogy without having at least some eroticism in the movies? Even the most serious movies have sex-scenes, only to make the movies appeal to simple-minded.<br> This way, I don´t think Peter Jackson can afford to stay true to the books in this context; maybe he would not want to include amourosities more than in the novel, but he´s likely to be forced to do so by &quot;da bosses&quot; who fund the whole thing in first place, and who want to earn some millions.<br> <br> So who would be the first very close couple? There is no suitable one in &quot;The Fellowship&quot;, right? So maybe they´ll go into detail about Aragorn and Arwen, or Èowyn and Faramir. Or will they confirm my suspicions and show Frodo and Sam fooling around? Who knows... <p></p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR><br><br> Though movies about homosexuals are currently in vogue, I'm positive that Peter Jackson won't go anywhere close to that topic. <br> <br> Good movies don't have to have sex in them. All PJ has to do is appeal to the large portion of today's moviegoers that will demand some kind of romance in their movie. He's already increased Arwen's role substantially to satisfy those viewers.<br> <br> On the other hand, if PJ follows the books closely, he won't even SUGGEST sexuality. Now what kind of boring movie would that be ???? <p><i><a href="mailto:barrow-wight@kitgraphics.com">The Barrow-Wight</a></b></i><br> <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a></p>

[Sharkû]

<BR><br><br> It wouldn´t be boring at all, I assume. The books of ME are not even romantic most of the time, and still they´re not boring.<br> Of course don´t good movies need sexuality, but most often they still contain it. Sometimes it ruins the whole movie, and I´m afraid there might be the possibility of this in the LotR movies. <p></p>

[noldo]

<BR><br><br> I think that Tolkien didn't eject enough romantic feeling to his story that they would burst as sexual scenes in the movies. <br> <br> I think we won't see anything on the far other side of kissing in the movies. <p>noldo </p>

[galpsi]

<BR><br><br> I just wish that we would get to see the exposed hollow of Smaug's left breast. Ooooo! Hot stuff! <p></p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR><br><br> LOL <br> <br> Now that's funny. <p><i><a href="mailto:barrow-wight@kitgraphics.com">The Barrow-Wight</a></b></i><br> <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a></p>

[noldo]

<BR><br><br> LOL. This truely is the place to catch some incorrect LotR-humor. <p>noldo </p>

[Sharkû]

<BR><br><br> Hey, now I know the true reason why they are up to leave out Tom Bombadil - they just don´t want to show the hobbits running around naked on the Barrow-downs! <p></p>

[noldo]

<BR><br><br> <br> <br> Leave me alone! Leave me alone! <p>noldo </p>

[galpsi]

<BR><br><br> Has anybody else always thought of the album cover for Who's Next whenever they thought of the Barrow Downs?<br> <p></p>

[Gandalfer]

<BR> Sex in the movies??</b><br><br> I dont know about the director Peter Jackson or what his views are on it, however although subtle Jrr.T did lead some people on. It all depends on the director himself and his views on the discriptive nature of Jrr.<br> Take Goldberry she was described as beautiful and in much detail sparking Frodos intrest, she's not in the movie but others such as Arwen and Galadriel are and may be exploited but we shall have to see and who can tell. <p></p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR> Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> I just had a moment of inspiration. There *can't* be any sex in the movies. Not to keep from ruining the movie. Not because it isn't in the book. But because Peter Jackson is under contract to make a PG-13 movie. I'm surprised no one else thought of that. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[galpsi]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> Good thought burrahobbit. Who knows; how much can a director &quot;get away with&quot; with in a PG-13 movie. I recall that the Pharoh's girlfriend got away with some prety sexy, sheer get-ups in the Mummy movie, but then so did Pharoh's daughter in the Ten Commandments. <p></p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there can be any actual sex. Only implied sex. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> There won't be any sex, burrahobbit. So it'll be OK for all of us to go see it Where could they possibly insert a sexually explicit scene anyways? Drunk hobbits at the part doing the Horizontal Springle-Ringle?? I think we're safe. <p>The Barrow-Wight (RKittle)<br> I usually haunt <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi">Middle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>

[galpsi]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> I believe that using the phrase<br> <blockquote><i>Quote:</i></b><hr> doing the Horizontal Springle-Ringle<hr></blockquote><br> on this site's entry at Twenty-Five Hobbits might just increase hits! <br> <p></p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> I'm considering changing the site name to HorizontalSpringleRingle.org(y) <p>The Barrow-Wight (RKittle)<br> I usually haunt <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi">Middle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> Good idea. I am now formally *not congratulating myself for the 69th post in the movie section, which is ironicly in the sex thread. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[Gandalf12]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> I think that sex in LotR movie will totally kill it and get some peeps sued. I mean it's not like some kissing would hurt, but even sexual scenes would ruin it, and probally some 12 year old kid somewhere would be fooling around with some girl. There are more Hobbit and LotR fans out there than you know... and some of em fantasize with Eowyn in the Houses of Healing... Sheesh. some people are really sick... <p></p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR> Re: Using the sex thread to come closer to a milestone</b><br><br> yeah.... what kinda sicko would even come up with a thought like that ??? <p>The Barrow-Wight (RKittle)<br> I usually haunt <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi">Middle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>

[Suldaledhel]

<BR> Sex in LOTR??!!</b><br><br> I do not feel that Lotr shall have to have even the slightest hint of sex or even romance in it to be a success. What matters is that the plot and characters are up to par. PJ should'nt have to worry about putting these irrevelant additions in. But I fear that already he has succumed to the dull minded opinions of the masses who haven't read the books. After all did we read Tolkien's works for romance and sex? I daresay no! I for one have read them for the tales of honor bravery and feats that this world hasnt seen for a good while. This is what will make the movies a success not sexual appeal. <br> <br> Goodbye and farewell wherever you fare and may your eyries recieve you at the journey's end!!! <p></p>

[gamegie]

<BR> Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> I sure hope not to see any sex scenes in the films, however I believe there will be a kissing scene. This will involve Faramir and Eowyn in Minas Tirith and I believe it will be filmed with great effects.<br> <br> To continue with the theme, no drunken hobbits but what about a few pretty female elves in the Lothlorien bathing naked in pools of clear blue water under the blossoming trees.......... PINCH ME...... <p></p>

[Gothmoga]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> At last I feel I can contribute to the BD,now that it has gone down market,thanks Galpsi.<br> <br> Sex in the Movie is a must,, How else can they portray the scene where Boromir gets shafted against that tree??<br> Indeed multiple shaftings were seen to occur.. <p> "They come slowly forth and Glare." <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Creating a Simple link</TITLE></HEAD><A HREF="http://pub23.ezboard.com/bminasmorgul">Minas Morgul,</A></BODY></HTML></p>

[The Barrow-Wight]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> So Legolas shafts countless times througout the films? What a ho. <p>The Barrow-Wight (RKittle)<br> I usually haunt <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">The Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi">Middle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>

[Gothmoga]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> A Ho fo sure,,why He even tried shafting the Nazgul steed..<br> <br> PS Found some wings now ..so I must have been wrong all along... Doubt it tho' <p> "They come slowly forth and Glare." <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Creating a Simple link</TITLE></HEAD><A HREF="http://pub23.ezboard.com/bminasmorgul">Minas Morgul,</A></BODY></HTML></p>

[dogtrot]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> yes that whole helms deep orgy scene, really not what i paid to see. <p></p>

[galpsi]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> Careful, you'll get Amy going on Gimli/Gamling slash. <p></p>

[Mister Underhill]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> Most likely you can expect a tone similar to the Star Wars movies. Meaning don't expect much except a racy costume here and there and maybe a bit of chaste kissing. The LOTR story, the action-adventure, and the SFX are the selling points, not oiled babes in midriff-baring chainmail and leather. Not that there's anything wrong with oiled babes in midriff-baring chainmail and leather. <br> <br> My guess is that the movies will focus mostly on the action sequences and will greatly condense and simplify travelling sequences and expositional scenes like the council of Elrond. Over the arc of the trilogy, I expect that the Frodo-Samwise-Gollum triangle of relationships will have the most depth and dimension. Think of The Empire Strikes Back</b> -- the relationship between Luke and Yoda is where the character development and philosophy comes out, intercut with Han, Leia, Chewie, etc. having various adventures and a bit o' romance along a parallel plotline.<br> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 9/6/00 3:18:46 pm<br></i>

[dogtrot]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> where does the line for the oiled babes and chainmail begin? am i too late for this viewing? can i buy an advance for the next showing? sorry mr. underhill you make some good points and i like the whole frodo-sam-gollum take.i just couldn't help myself(been in the woods to long!). <p></p><i>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000039>dogtrot</A> at: 9/6/00 7:35:56 pm<br></i>

[Mister Underhill]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> Perhaps a successful showing by the LOTR movies can open enough doors to get that Yor: Hunter from the Future sequel going. And what are the Barbarian Brothers up to these days, anyway? <p></p>

[draggonklaw]

<BR> Re: Sex in the LOTR!!!!!</b><br><br> I agree with Gamegie...There won't be any sex (There better not be!), but there'll be a couple of Smootch scenes for sure. Arwen/Aragorn and Eowyn/Faramir. But I don't think it will be inappropriate. There is a little romance going on in the books between these folks. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000071>draggonklaw</A> at: 2/18/01 10:46:35 am<br></i>

[HerenIstarion]

<BR> Re: Sex in LOTR??!!</b><br><br> <blockquote><i>Quote:</i></b><hr> Frodo and Sam fooling around<hr></blockquote><br> <br> nasssty, nasssty Old Man Sharku <p><a href=http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/Heren.html>HerenIstarion</a> </p>

[HerenIstarion]

<BR> Re: Sex in LOTR??!!</b><br><br> btw - what about hobbit romance - meaning Sam and Rosie? <p><a href=http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/Heren.html>HerenIstarion</a> </p>

[KayQy]

<BR><br><br> Rosie as a lusty wench, overpowering the poor, rustic Sam, who has so far withstood the worst that Sauron could throw at him...*shudder* <br> It will not happen. It <i> must</i> not happen. <p><i>But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?</i></p>

[BilboFrodo]

<BR>Don't understand</b><br><br> Sharku, I don't see how you can say Frodo and Sam are homosexual, there is not one bit of proof I can find that would say that, they would be friends. <p></p>

[Suldaledhel]

<BR> Re: Don't understand</b><br><br> But its still a funny concept, and to think one is dwelling on this comment when mentioned above (or rather the next page) about Legolas shafting the Nazgul's steed!!! <i> *cringe* *shiver*</i> <p>-Sûldal ~ "See, half-brother! This is sharper than thy tounge. Try but once more to usurp my place and the love of my father, and maybe it will rid the Noldor of one who seeks to be master of thralls." -Feanor to Fingolfin- -=I may be found merrymaking at <a href=http://www.barrowdowns.com/>The Barrow Downs</a>=- </p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR> Re:that is so sick!!!!</b><br><br> hack gag blurg why am I even posting on this thread?cause I'm weird,and I agree entirly with you burrahobbit exelent thought. <p></p>

[Gilthalion]

<BR> Re: Re:that is so sick!!!!</b><br><br> You want to know sick?<br> <br> <br> Reading this wicked, pruriant thread, a vile notion flashed through my mind. (Which doesn't say much for my mind!)<br> <br> <br> <i> Melkor and Ungoliant<br> Suckin' down the Trees<br> And K-I-S-S-I-N-G!</i> <p><center> <i>~~~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000">My Bare Bones Webpage</a>~~~</b></i> </center></p>

[Lady Eowyn]

<BR> Re: Re:that is so sick!!!!</b><br><br> You guys are really sick <br> But we really need some kissing in the movie, so we<br> girls can sit in there and go uuuuh aaaaaaah how<br> sweeeeeeet <p>And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000065>Lady Eowyn</A> at: 3/16/01 1:43:33 am<br></i>

[KayQy]

<BR><br><br> And that'll make those sick guys even sicker. <br> <br> But hey, I'm a complete romantic. I especially look forward to the Faramir/Eowyn thread (they better not leave that out!) Bring on the smooching! <p><i>They cannot conquer forever!</i></p>

[Gilthalion]

<BR><br><br> Although around one another, boys will be boys and act as if smoochin' were the fastest way to catch girl cooties, we quite well understand that priming a gal for romance is often best achieved by treating her to romance on the big screen in a fine motion picture. (Listen up young fellers!)<br> <br> The Faramir/Eowyn scene is the most romantic in the novel. We are never treated to this for Aragorn/Arwen. Will the second string actors be allowed to overshadow the romantic interests of the leads in the movie?<br> <p><center> <i>~~~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000">My Bare Bones Webpage</a>~~~</b></i> </center></p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR><br><br> bluuuuurrrrrg haccccckkkk whaugghhh,oh nasssty yessss my preciosss having nice master and nassty hobbit fooll around nasssty indeed.My heck sharku can we get a normal post?I've beenon one of yours and that was almost as bad.-why in the world am I posting here?-but Imust agree the eowen and faramir part is romantic.<br> samwise <p></p>

[Elanor]

<BR><br><br> Did anyone here read Bored of the Rings? This thread reminded me of reading it when I was much younger and being very taken by the Frodo-Galadriel scene... hairy toes and all...<br> <br> <p></p>

[The X Phial]

<BR><br><br> I actually got that book for my birthday, but haven;t really looked at it yet.<br> <br> Speaking of sex in the movies-<br> I think of a loving scene between Eomer and Aragorn when they meet on the battlefield. Nothing too obvious, just a hug that lasts a *little* too long. Sly shot of Eomer wiping away a tear when Arwen and Aragorn tie the knot.<br> <br> BTW, ever wonder why Gimli and Legolas were so close?<br> <br> *I've going to get banned for this, I just know it.* <p>-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[Elanor]

<BR><br><br> lol! Legolas just couldn't resist the beard...<br> <br> <p></p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR><br><br> ok this'll have to be fast or else I'll puke,What is it with the homo stuff? <p></p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR><br><br> Wishfull thinking. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[The X Phial]

<BR><br><br> For me it's all about the fact that there are so few female characters. When pairing people up there are many more men than women! <p>-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[Glorfindel]

<BR><br><br> And why does Gimli always insist on riding a horse with Legolas? <p></p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR><br><br> They're really good friends, if you know what I mean. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR><br><br> We KNOW what you mean. Don't spell it out!!!!<br> Now let me go and be sick in befitting misery. Ugh. <p>What if - what if this is as good as it gets?</p>

[Balin999]

<BR><br><br> hum... reading this thread made me think of the Húorns at the Hornburg... well.... NO ONE actually ever knew what happened to the orcs when they ran in there. oh my god... *LOL* <p>Behold the King of Moria!</p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR><br><br> That is soooo disgusting,poor TLW could'nt take it But man Balin that was an outragous post terrible,but just to add to the subject*how in the heck do you do evil*?What was it with Sam and Pippin?I mean I caould'nt help noticing but Pippin would some times come up to Sam and would whisper in his ear or something like that.Or what about lets say ohhhhh Arwen and Aragorn near the fountain when Frodo comes to sy good bye?what cha think? <p></p>

[Sharkû]

<BR><br><br> Want something really disgusting for your gay-phobia, Samwise?<br> <br> Take a look at Ian McKellen's homepage... and then, imagine, what Gandalf and Saruman were really doing at Orthanc... was the bondaging of Gandalf maybe voluntary? Now imagine that in the movie! 'Whip me, Sharkey!'<br> <p></p>

[Balin999]

<BR><br><br> LOL! <br> now let me think.... <br> yeah, hmm i wonder... were there any orc wives?<br> and what did Sauron do if he got horny?? get some snagas up to barad dur? lol <br> and if he did,... how could Sauron have sex? i mean he would burn everyone wouldnt he?<br> <p>Behold the King of Moria!</p>

[Sharkû]

<BR><br><br> Let's not overdo it.<br> Still... no orc-wives, hmm... <p></p>

[The X Phial]

<BR><br><br> hmm, on a slightly different slant, do you think they will show the entwives in loving embraces with their hubby's? <p>-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR><br><br> I really like that twisting X.<br> Everything else on this page, I hate. <br> Specially, Gandalf and Saruman. *moans* <p>What if - what if this is as good as it gets?</p>

[The X Phial]

<BR><br><br> I'm glad I could bring a little joy to your day TLW. I, for one, have really enjoyed this thread. What's wrong with poking some fun at the all-too-serious istari? And, what's wrong with any two people (regardless of sex or race) loving each other? Just a thought, keeping in mind that I study sexual minority issues <p>-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR><br><br> Oh no, no, no. There is no way I'm against homosexuality. But talking about homosexuality is like talking about sex-change operations in middle-earth. I mean, was Aragorn really male, or was he born female? <br> AAAAARGH! See, you got me started as well. And it may make me sick, but it also makes me laugh. Otherwise I wouldn't come back. <p>What if - what if this is as good as it gets?</p>

[The X Phial]

<BR><br><br> I can agree with you on the funny part! Sex change operations in ME? What about plastic surgery? I can see the point though, sometimes the suspension of disbelief just gets strerched a little thin. <p>-*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>

[Mithrandir]

<BR><br><br> This has become a soap opera!!! Just imagine. . .<br> Stay tuned for the next episode of Life In Middle Earth where Aragorn confesses to his love Arwen that he was formerly a woman, Rosie Cotton gets breast implants, and Pippin announces his profound love for Merry. And now for our sponsors. . .<br> Too strange, isnt it??!! <p>The Road goes ever on and on </p>

[KM Tinuviel]

<BR> WISHFUL THINKING!!!!!!</b><br><br> OK, if there's no sex in the movies, I can live with that just fine...but could we just put Russell Crowe in there somewhere, anywhere, PLEASE??? <p></p>

[Gilthalion]

<BR> Re: WISHFUL THINKING!!!!!!</b><br><br> Russell Crowe would have made a fine Aragorn, I think. <p><center> <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">Barrow-Downs</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000">Bare Bones</a>~<a href="http://pub41.ezboard.com/btarostineruhir">Tar Ost-in-Eruhir</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000/gilthalion.html">Grand Adventures</a>~<a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/fanfichobbits.asp">The Hobbits</a>~<a href="http://www.tolkientrail.com">Tolkien Trail</a> </center></p>

[KM Tinuviel]

<BR> Re: WISHFUL THINKING!!!!!!</b><br><br> ...and yet a finer Beren <p></p>

[Balin999]

<BR> Re: WISHFUL THINKING!!!!!!</b><br><br> wouldn'T russel crowe be the perfect boromir???<br> well that's just because i've seen him in &quot;gladiator&quot;. <p>Behold the King of Moria!</p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR> Re:Hmmmmmmmm</b><br><br> I really dont think that Rosie would be the type of woman to get implants,and Sam would probably hate it too I mean in the books he's a sensible-sometimes that's one reason I like Sam is that he comes up with ideas and then they go flop-I'd say that ohhh...hmmmm.....well not any hobbit maid thats for sure......-would'nt implants hinder eowyen from getting her armor on?-.......ooohh sht I cant think of any LOTR woman who'd do that,and as for Pippin loving Merry?Hmmmmm.....wait wait what if all four?Nah dont think that'd work they might get jealous ,wait do you think...nah he would'nt he's too faithful-I hope I'm torturing you-hmm oh wait what do you think Gandalf would do if he het one of the female professors in Harry Potter?Nah dont think so,ohhhhhh what if Shelob met one of her offspring?See I can be just as weird as you people<br> the off color<br> Samwise of the Shire<br> <p></p>

[BurrahobbitsGirl]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> (This message was left blank) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000362>BurrahobbitsGirl</A> at: 4/25/01 5:17:59 pm<br></i>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> Samwise could easily become a very successful soap opera conceptualizer. <p>Humour is emotional chaos remembered in moments of tranquility.</p>

[enep]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> Gladiator was by far the best movie I've seen in ages (aside from Fight Club and The Matrix ) but Russell Crowe would play a far better Aragorn, IMO.<br> <br> And he's Australian. Nyah nyah <p>- <i>enep</i></p>

[Telchar]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> You guys really! Now I've read through the full tread - and its really sad. <br> <br> First of all I want to say that the Movie don't need sex scenes, and there wont be any. Period. As for romance - well JRRT himself called his trilogy a Heroic Romance - the hole story is a romance, just not between two specific people ...<br> <br> The tread is sad because it really shows the fatal puritanism that is bound to kill all creativity, art and openmindedness. <br> <br> But I am glad that some of you guys are not afraid to make us all laugh - Gandalf/Saruman - Yes it cracked me up... And I too had to pinch myself when I read about bathing elfmaids :-)))<br> <br> As for Gladiator - good film, great scenes - lousy plot (if you know a little of the history of the roman empire!!! Anyway Russel did great - but I wote Boromir for him - He seems a little like an ignorant brute to me... <br> <br> Cheers Telchar <p></p>

[The X Phial]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> I, too, have read the whole thread, many times in fact. I agree that no sex is needed, and many good movies (especially sci fi) are made without any overt sexuality. I also think that while it would be inappropriate for the tone of the LotR, there is nothing wrong with expressing sexuality in films. We are taught that it is something to be ashamed of and I have to stop now or I'm going to get up on my soapbox and never stop. Anyway, aside from the point that sex sells, I had a much more disturbing dream last night in which someone bought me all of the Burger King LotR action figures complete with Hewing Gimli. AARRGGGHHHH! Woke me up it was so terrible! LOL <p>-*-The X Phial-*- "Yet more fair is the living land of Lorien, and the Lady Galadriel is above all the jewels that lie beneath the earth!"</p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR>*Wincing*</b><br><br> Let's hope X's dream does'nt come true,that's worse than sex in the movies eeeessshhhh,brrrrr . Do you think that LOTR action figure boycotts would work?No No action figures must go!!! <br> Sam <p></p>

[burrahobbit]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> <blockquote><i>Quote:</i></b><hr> And I too had to pinch myself when I read about bathing elfmaids<hr></blockquote>We'll have to hope for the DVD. <p>What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[HerenIstarion]

<BR> Re: Sex in the movies????</b><br><br> A bit late, prb, but NO RUSSEL CROW as Aragorn or Beren, ple-e-e-e-ease <p><a href=http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/Heren.html>GeorgeLashkhi</a> </p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR> I've never seen Gladiator</b><br><br> I hear Crowe is a good actor,but I dont think he looks like a good Aragorn.Do you think that Dicaprio would be a good Aragorn or better as a Hobbit?I noticed one thing though we are off topic here.But this does'nt make me turn green or anything like that.<br> Sam <p></p>

[Zoe]

<BR> Re: I've never seen Gladiator</b><br><br> Methinks the only role appropriate for DiCaprio would be as an orc... <p>"This sig is proudly quote-free." -Me.<br> (Also known as eoz, and now has a non-Tolkien forum, called <a href="http://pub57.ezboard.com/beverythingelse45161">everything else</a>.) </p>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR> Re:</b><br><br> I quite agree. I can't vaguely imagine DiCaprio in the movie at all actually but better an Orc than Aragorn. <p></p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR> LOL:laughing</b><br><br> As an orc huh?'Bout to say he look kinda funky as an orc I mean I know a few people(well not a few like one girl)who thinks he's cute,I myself think he's moderate not super cute nor way ugly,but get this My Mom things that he would look better as a hobbit!!!Ok what ever!:roll eyes,to me he'd be more like an elf or something like that with his high cheek bones,but I'd like him better if he just stuck to the movies he usually plays in.<br> Sam<br> <p></p>

[Gwindor]

<BR><br><br> Sex? no. Romance? only the kind that fits a PG-13 rating. Although, Liv Tyler is pretty hot... <p></p>

[GandaIf The White]

<BR><br><br> I agree, Liv Tyler = HOT HOT HOT! ;D But I dont think this movie needs to be changed from the book any more than it already is, even if it would show Liv naked. (haha, yeah right. I WOULD LOVE THAT ) <p></p>

[arwentinuviel]

<BR> liv tyler</b><br><br> you know i agree that liv tyler is pretty but i just can't imagine her as arwen. actually i feel gwenyth paltrov would be better suited for the role. i don't really think russel crowe would fit aragorn's part though i thought he was hot in &quot;gladiator&quot; <p></p>

[arwentinuviel]

<BR>oooppps</b><br><br> i forgot to talk about the main issue her.<br> i don't feel sex is required to make the movie a hit.<br> it'll grab everyone's attention even without it. oh by the way &quot;dicaprio-orc&quot; LOL<br> <br> WHO IS ACTUALLY PLAYING ARAGORN?<br> <p></p>

[GandaIf The White]

<BR><br><br> I dont know the person who plays Aragorns name, and I dont think anyone else would without looking it up. By the looks of him, he is the worst possible pick for the role of Aragorn that they could have possibly chosed.. You know there is something wrong when Aragorn looks dirtier and more evil that Boromir does <br> <br> But, as for all of your suggestions about the role of Boromir, I have read that Sean Bean plays the role perfectly in every aspect. Dont judge until you see the movie. He is a great actor.<br> <br> And as for sex in the Movie, I dont think they should do it, and they wont. So it isnt really a logical question Dont worry, Im not Vulcan. <p></p>

[Aldaron]

<BR><br><br> I'm a big fan of Sean Bean and can't wait to see him in the role. I'm just sorry that he's playing Boromir, since he comes to a fatal end, but not before making up for his sins. I'm sure this is going to be a film that we'll all see many times in order to study the characters and how the actors played them and seeing if they come even close to fitting the image that we've had in our minds all these many years. I'll wait until I see Aragorn in action before I make any judgment about him. <p></p>

[the Lorien wanderer]

<BR><br><br> Viggo Mortenson is playing Aragorn and even though he may not look too great in the promos, ther is one thing I know for sure. Howver, bad he is it can't be worse than Liv Tyler fighting at Helm's Deep. Ugh. Anyway, I suspect he will act pretty well even if he doesn't look like the Strider we had in mind. <p>Humour is emotional chaos remembered in moments of tranquility.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000038>the Lorien wanderer</A> at: 5/25/01 9:52:48 am<br></i>

[GandaIf The White]

<BR><br><br> Hey, why do you all hate Liv Tyler so much? I dont see why she would be bad for the role at all. I guess I must have no taste in acting. <p>__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________ “One of the candidates had mercifully left one of the pages with no writing on it ,which is the best thing that can possibly happen to an examiner, and I wrote on it: “In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit.” Names always generate a story in my mind. Eventually I thought I’d better find out what hobbits were like. But that’s only the beginning.” - J.R.R. Tolkien.</p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR>Ummmm</b><br><br> I dont hate her but then again I'm still trying to find a movie with her in it I really think that she's pretty(especially when she's in dim light or misty would be more what you'd call it) I also think that Eowyen is pretty,but there are ALLOT of good lookin actors in LOTR,Elijah Wood for example, now HE is cute.<br> Sam <p></p>

[GandaIf The White]

<BR><br><br> uhhh! Sam, what are you saying. You're a man, right? Maybe not. Guess I shouldnt assume just by who you are named after in a Forum.<br> <br> I think that Liv will play a nice Arwen, but as I said before, I do not have good taste in actors abilitys and I will have to wait until the Movie comes out to judge. <p>"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

[Maglor68]

<BR>Leonides</b><br><br> Okay - normally I would not refer people to another site as I think it is rude to the host, so I will preface this by saying that I think the Barrow-Downs forum is overall my favorite.<br> <br> However, if you are interested in the Liv Tyler/Arwen fiasco, there are some very extensive topics and threads devoted to the subject. The best ones are hosted or frequented by somebody named Leonides who seems to have a lot of insight into the upcoming movies.<br> <br> Personally, nothing has impressed me about Liv Tyler being cast as Arwen nor about the expansion of the role. However, there has been a lot of reassurance lately that the part has been considerably downsized recently largely due to fan outrage. Although she is being billed at the top the marquis (aaarrrggghhh), her screentime is being kept to a minimum.<br> <br> She will be in the Flight to the Ford sequence and appear in Elrond's house, but apparently will not be depicted as some sort of sword-wielding warrior princess (thank Eru). Those in the know swear she will be developed well in keeping with Tolkien's style.<br> <br> As for Liv, well, they could have done a LOT better. Her television interviews have not been promising, and apparently she describes her role as a faerie princess. I doubt she's even read the books. Oh well. We'll know soon enough.<br> <br> - Maglor <p></p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR>Oops,*blushes to tips of curly hair*</b><br><br> Sorry,when I say that Elijah Wood is hot I mean it, I mean wow!!!but I say that as a girl in my real early tweens, so you dont have to worry, I just happen to like Sam so I chose that name sorry bout the confusion. <br> Sam<br> Ps. Viggo is in 28 Days with Sandra Bullock, (and Elijah Wood is in Deep Impact ) <p> Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons. For you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.</p>

[Elerrina]

<BR>Hmm...</b><br><br> I skipped three pages of posts for time constraint reasons, so I hope this hasn't been beaten to death yet...<br> Tolkien's storytelling is phenominal, we'd all agree. He characterization is so great that when I finished the trilogy for the first time on my own (my dad had read them to me before) I cried for them all. Poor Sam! Finally separated from Frodo after all that! Dorky, yes, but not my point... <br> <br> But then he comes to a love story....<br> <br> Whereas he spends pages devoted to psychological debate of right and wrong, bravery and cowardice, he decides just to throw in a simple &quot;Oh, yeah, these two dug each other and stuff&quot;. That's cool. He was writing a heroic epic not a romantic novel. You just have to wonder about poor Edith... <br> <br> I like Liv Tyler.... But yes, I would've picked a different Arwen... <p>~ Elerrina ('Crowned with stars'; a name of Taniquetil; Only thing that wasn't taken) 'Many are the strange chances of the world,'said Mithrandir,'and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter."</p>

[Theodred21]

<BR><br><br> Do you know what'd be the best!<br> If Sarah Michelle Gellar played Eowyn!<br> <p>...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

[Smaug Dragon Lord]

<BR> Re: Hmm...</b><br><br> Yes, that would be something it? <p><center><a href="http://www.theblackchasm.com"></a><br><a href="http://www.theblackchasm.com">www.theblackchasm.com</a></b><br> </center></p>

[Theodred21]

<BR> Re: Hmm...</b><br><br> She is sooooo HOT!!!<br> at least, in my opinion! <p>Let me lie here--to keep the Fords till Eomer comes!</p>

[SteadfastSam]

<BR> Re: Hmm...</b><br><br> Who is she? But I love it when Liv Tyler liked her elf ears so much that she asked to keep them, and then she turned around and left them on the dash of her car. Obviously, they melted into a pile of goo. She isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but what do you expect when her mom is a groupie and her dad is Areosmith? *gag* I think she will be the character I will love to hate in the movies. <p>"I will, Lord." said Tuor.</p>

[Samwise of the shire]

<BR> LOL</b><br><br> Oh dear talk about needing a new paint job,but one thing I read in a interveiw with Billy Boyd that the actors/actresses were'nt allowed to take a souviner home. Billy Boyd wanted to take his sword but they would'nt let him.It might have been the Ring(Billy and his pals-Viggo Mortensen,Dominic Monaghan,and Sean Astin- would try every time Elijah Wood walked out of the dressing rooms to steal his Ring)I forgot.<br> But when I read the interveiw Boyd said that he was'nt able to take a sword home or anything instead he got a pair of brass hobbit feet. Go to <a href="http://www.theonering.net,click">www.theonering.net,click</a> on the movies,find the scrapbook,click on it and then look around for the interveiw,(oh you might want to start at the end of the interveiw because in truth it's the beggining so start at the bottom and it'll make a whole lot more sense then when I read it)some of the stories in it are funny but then I laugh alot.<br> Sam1,Sam GAMGEE(just so me and Sam dont get mixed up ) <p> Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons. For you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.</p>

[Galenriel]

<BR> Re: LOL</b><br><br> Oh, god. lol. there are just soo many possibilties. You never know there might be a porn spin off of the Movie, y'know like 'Good will humping' or something. <br> <br> But, I swear I read that when Tolkien sold the rights to the book it was under the condition that none of his characters could appear in scenes that arn't in the book. <p></p>

[willowbunch]

<BR><br><br> I think that any change made to LOTR would only contribute to my disappointment of the films and little else. <br> The story is just fine the way it is (it's actually the best book I've ever read) and anyone looking for a little nukky can go to the closest blockbuster store and rent the nastiest porn he can find. This is certainly not the place for it.<br> The least changes made to the original plot, the better the movies will be! and that's flat!<br> <br> Maybe I'm just a Tolkien fanatic, but that's my opinion. <p></p>

[LoveOfGenevieve]

<BR><br><br> Movies are different from books, obviously. What I think is important is to stay as close to the BOOK story as possible. I also think that it is okay to add a little romance, not so much that it ruins the story told by the books, but enough to add necessary dramatization of a movie. A small love scene to emphasize the love between Aragorn and Arwen will only add to the movie, and build upon the believability of the characters. Im not saying that a scene should be added showing A and A bumpin and grindin, just a scene that demonstrates a true love felt between the characters. <p></p>

[Snowdog]

Well... they were laying together ... and Liv in that silky elvenwear. :)

[Nimrodel_9]

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. :p

That was one of my worst fears. I was always afraid that when I went to see the movies with my parents for the first time, they would do something with Aragorn and Arwen. If that happened, my mom would pitch a fit, and I wouldn`t be able to own the movies until I was 18. So, if I could say anything to Peter Jackson right now, it would be, Thank you so much for not putting rubbish that does not need to be seen in the movies! :cool: I would like a lot of directors and their movies alot better if they did not have sexual scenes. :)

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

I never saw this thread before, so I'm so glad it's been bumped.

I thought that PJ was really rather coy and smart with the whole sex issue. He did what film-makers of the 40s and 50s would do when they wanted to hint at sex without stating absolutely that it had happened -- he goes to black or to another scene just as things heat up between Arwen and Aragorn (after the kiss on the bridge, for example).

The other trick he used is Arwen's legs. After she gets up from the bed/couch where she had been reclining with Aragorn (and that sure looks like morning to me. . .) she is backlit and we can see the outline of her legs through the dress: right up to the thigh. That was a classic way so 'sex-up' a scene.

I think he did it this way so the viewer could decide for him or herself what happened. For those of us of a more adult (or salacious) frame of mind, we are free to imagine that Arwen and Aragorn have a mature, healthy sexual relationship; for those of us of a more adult (but less salacious) frame of mind, they are free to imagine the relationship as Tolkien clearly did. And for kids, whose minds aren't yet in the gutter, it just looks like a boyfriend and a girlfriend having a chat. . .hurry up and get to the Balrog!!

[Novberaid]

Galadrial and Celeborn have been married for centuries. Maybe that is why she leaves at the end. Perhaps it is time for some new excitement for them also.