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starbreeze
01-30-2002, 03:15 PM
Hey! Did anyone else notice some rather dodgey scenes in the FOTR? (I apologise to anyone who does not wish to read this, go home now ) Well, I didn't notice the first time I went but the second time there were some quite....umm, homoerotic... scenes. For example, when Boromir is wrestling the ring from Frodo he lies on top of him yelling "give it to me, give it to me" and of course, there is the "farewell kiss" from Aragorn to Boromir, and did anyone see the way Sam looks at Frodo in the last scene? I'm sure there were more, and there were definately more in the book, but I can't remember them right now. One asks if the Two Towers will be as, ummm, not suitable for young children? Did anyone slse notice this, or was it just me, and were there any others, and were they deliberate?

Elvenglass
01-30-2002, 05:15 PM
I think that homoerotic was the LAST thing on PJ's mind! I really don't think that those were intended...and if you don't mind me saying so I think you are over-analysing things. Most of the dialogue was taken from the book(with a bunch of additions of course) , and Tolkien did not have that in mind when he wrote LotR..also the "look" that sam gave frodo was just a look portraying the deep friendship they have. Also the farewell kiss from Aragorn to Boromir was just a kiss showing respect and brotherhood. These are just my opinions, I guess they're a bit different then yours..oh well. Welcome to the barrow downs anyways.<p>[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: Elvenglass ]

Hama
01-31-2002, 03:11 AM
Hi Starbreeze, Welcome to BD<P>Check out the Gay Subtext thread in Novices and Newcomers for exhaustive discussion of this theme! (It's on page 2 of the threads list there now)

Legolas
01-31-2002, 04:24 PM
Get your mind out of the gutter and you should have no problems.<P>'Children' would never infer something like that since they have no idea about those kinds of things.

rhudladion
01-31-2002, 04:45 PM
There is a difference in noticing a homoerotic scene and construing a homoerotic scene to exist. Elvenglass is correct: PJ didn't and wouldn't go there. Hama is correct: subject has been exhausted. <P><BR>This whole issue is still a simple case of our society turning old-school brotherly love into gay eroticism. Many in our society cannot imagine two people of the same gender loving each other immensly without attributing some sort of homosexual tendency to the relationship. It's a sad loss. Have you ever gone by the name Eve? J/K<P>Welcome also.

Lindolirian
01-31-2002, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Elvenglass:<BR>I think that homoerotic was the LAST thing on PJ's mind! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It was the last think on JRRT's mind too, i'm quite sure!

Enedhil
01-31-2002, 04:56 PM
what we seem to be lacking slightly these days is a bit of tactile-ness. Nowt wrong with affection or love, who ever it is between. How many times have people wished they said 'I love you' after someone close dies or something happens to them? How often do people realise how much they *do* love someone or need them,during tense or tragic circumstances, such as frodo and sam's...i guess sometimes we need a good kick up the *** to make us aware of it!! I also think that the kissing forehead thing was quite a common gesture loadsa year ago anyway. Why do folks keep bringing up this 'gay-subtext' thing anyway! Are we really becoming that cynical, critical or narrowminded about relationships? Has love come to mean so little these days? (a little jumbled, and probably strayed a bit far...) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> 'Meanwhile these three remain: faith, hope and love. And the greatest of these is love' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rosa Underhill
01-31-2002, 11:51 PM
Oh no, not this again... <P>But before I start, welcome Starbreeze!<P>Seeing homosexuality in LotR is just like seeing it between my guide dog and I (she and I are both female). The love between Sam and Frodo is brotherly; Aragorn kissed Boromir as a sign of honor and brotherly love. I can't say everything right that I want to say, so I'm going to stop talking, but I'd like to refer you to this site<A HREF="http://greenbooks.theonering.net" TARGET=_blank>The Green Books</A> Go to Quickbeam's "Out On A Limb..." and look for the article entitled "And In the Closet Bind Them." He has a great explanation for all of this.

Elendur
02-01-2002, 12:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>For example, when Boromir is wrestling the ring from Frodo he lies on top of him yelling "give it to me, give it to me"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That made me drop out of my chair laughing! Im sorry. It is wrong, but that is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

River Jordan
02-01-2002, 01:08 AM
yes, it is a rather sad commentary on our society that any expressions of friendship would be seen as some kind of sexual love. In the Bible, King David (remember, the one who killed the giant, Goliath, from your Sunday school days? had a "soul-mate" in a friend named Jonathan. They were the best of friends, and they embraced/hugged and kissed, but there was nothing sexual going on at all. We are living in a society where everyone is so isolated from one another, and touch is so "taboo" that we've forgotten how to "love" one another in a brotherly - that is, non-sexual - manner.<P>Your friendly neighbourhood elf, *River* <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/bc/YMF" TARGET=_blank>http://www.angelfire.com/bc/YMF</A> <BR>(incidentally, I have an article on my web-site entitled "Getting Connected with One Another" that addresses the issue of loving each other in our world today...cheers!

Bad Fairy
02-01-2002, 08:25 AM
Im sure (if your are that way inclined) that you could see sexual innuendoes in everything if you tried hard enough. I think it sad that people cannot take things at face value without having to delve deeper and look for some hidden meaning that, more often thatn not, is not there<P>Looking at the way childeren interact is an example. When we are younger we run around with our friends (of the same and opposite sex) holding hands and linking arms and think nothing of it as we have not been introduced to the concept of homosexuality and it just feels a natural thing to do. As we get older its the way society programs us that changes our point of view and makes us look for meanings in things/actions that we might once have taken as natural.<P>Sorry have rambled on and perhaps strayed from the point. But this is just my opinion and the 1st time I have raised it as I stayed clear of the other postings on the subject

Rosa Underhill
02-01-2002, 01:45 PM
I love you guys! Seriously, I do. Finally, a group of people who won't blatntly insist, no matter how much proof to the contrary you give them, that everything in Middle-earth has some homoerotic hidden meaning! I don't mind homosexuals as a rule, just their actions. I know several and they are all very nice,(and funny on ocassion).<P>We need more words to describe love in the English language. I'm going to look the Aramaic words for brotherly love, sacrificial love, etc. It'd be much less confusing than just saying "love" to describe so many different kinds.<P>And has anyone seen this picture? It's one of Sean Astin kissing Elijah Wood on the forehead. I thought it was very sweet, (in a brotherly sort of way).

Rhudladion
02-01-2002, 01:52 PM
I guess that proves it: Sam and Frodo are definitely homosexuals. Great timing, Rosa!HA!<P>A picture is worth a thousand words!<P>

River Jordan
02-01-2002, 03:00 PM
IN the Greek Language, there are actually four different words to describe love, which is more effective than our English "love". Let's see if I can remember them all...<P>Phileo - brotherly love<BR>Eros - sexual love<BR>Agape - the God-kind of love<P>...? Funny, I can't remember the fourth. Oh well, anyway, it's all Greek to me!

Enkanowen
02-01-2002, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Starbreeze:<BR><STRONG>Hey! Did anyone else notice some rather dodgey scenes in the FOTR? (I apologise to anyone who does not wish to read this, go home now ) Well, I didn't notice the first time I went but the second time there were some quite....umm, homoerotic... scenes. For example, when Boromir is wrestling the ring from Frodo he lies on top of him yelling "give it to me, give it to me" and of course, there is the "farewell kiss" from Aragorn to Boromir, and did anyone see the way Sam looks at Frodo in the last scene? I'm sure there were more, and there were definately more in the book, but I can't remember them right now. One asks if the Two Towers will be as, ummm, not suitable for young children? Did anyone slse notice this, or was it just me, and were there any others, and were they deliberate? </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>aren't we a little homophobe? <BR>kissing someone goodbye after they die is a very common griefing ritual in many cultures. Aragorn kisses Boromir goodbye as his King, not as a guy who would have wanted to get cozy with him.<BR>Sam and Frodo are best friends, Sam would die for Frodo. What is wrong with that? Then there is Boromir wrestling Frodo... so he wants the ring? It is OUR minds that make something out of nothing. None of the movies are suited for children due to the violent content. The Two Towers is going to be rated R because it is rather violent, not because of imgagined 'homoerotic' subplot. *shakes her head*<BR>some people...<P>

Enedhil
02-01-2002, 05:58 PM
Oh dear, what *are* you going to do or say during/about the next two films..? Sam becomes so much more protective to Frodo, lies down by him, holds him while he sleeps, kisses his forehead, cradles him, carries him. Emotions are deeeep things that we, as little mortals placed on this earth by a Higher Power, only have a small grasp of. And when someone like Tolkien comes along and digs deeper and gets a better insight of it all, a lot of people only see one little, thin layer of it. I have a better idea of what i want to say, its saying it that is a problem for me.

Rosa Underhill
02-01-2002, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I guess that proves it: Sam and Frodo are definitely homosexuals. Great timing, Rosa!HA!<BR>A picture is worth a thousand words!<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Aaaahhhhh!!! NOOOOOO!!! *grabs sword, Paperwieght the Unused, off desk and runs toward Rhudladion* PHILEO!! PHILEO!!! (So glad you aren't serious! You're not, right?)<P>Heh, this leads me to ask: my guide dog is female and she is to me what Sam is to Frodo. I kiss her on the head all the time and whenever I'm in the tub she comes to make sure I'm all right. Does this make her and me a lesbian couple?

Celebsewien
02-01-2002, 06:04 PM
oh wow, or maybe people are friends, god forbid men in middle earth were a bit more apt to showing a wee bit of emotion

MenRWeak
02-02-2002, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Starbreeze:<BR><STRONG>...there is the "farewell kiss" from Aragorn to Boromir...</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Be watchful if ever you go to some areas in Italy or Sicily where men greet their male friends with the "side-to-side cheek kiss". A sure sign that the entire population is gay.<P>Ever watch NFL players slap each other on the butt after making a great play? Or hug and dogpile on top of a player after the touchdown? How about the post-victory lockerroom celebration when the champagne is flowing and a player hugs his mvp buddy and tells the camera and the world, "I love this guy!"<BR>Analysis - NFL players/male athletes are all gay.

Nazgűl Queen
02-03-2002, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Enkanowen:<BR><STRONG>The Two Towers is going to be rated R because it is rather violent</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>R? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!! How will I get to see it? It cant be R! Lots of violent movies are only M's. DONT MAKE IT R!!!!!!

River Jordan
02-03-2002, 01:52 AM
You said: <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> R? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!! How will I get to see it? It cant be R! Lots of violent movies are only M's. DONT MAKE IT R!!!!!!<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I take it you're too young to get into an R rated movie? . Fear not, there's always video!!

Elanor
02-03-2002, 07:24 AM
What are R and M? I take it these are American ratings? What do they mean? <BR>Thanks.

Elrian
02-03-2002, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Elanor:<BR><STRONG>What are R and M? I take it these are American ratings? What do they mean? <BR>Thanks.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>R in America is restricted, M is not American, it may be European or Australasian.<P>TTT will be more violent with the major battle scenes like Helms Deep, PJ did say there would be more gore in this one.

Starbreeze
02-03-2002, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Enkanowen:<BR><STRONG><P>aren't we a little homophobe? <P> </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>umm, no actually, I have no problems with homosexuals at all, I was merely pointing out what my friends and I observed whilst watching the film. I know some homesexuals and they are as nice as you could wish.<BR>

Rosa Underhill
02-03-2002, 05:15 PM
Yes, homosexuals are nice and extremely funny when they want to be. Although, I had a lesbian dorm mother once and she yelled even when she was just saying hello. <P>And I don't think you 17 and under folk have to worry. I read somewhere that New Line or PJ or someone had a contract that the films would be no worse than PG-13. Hey, JPIII had a disgusting mangled body in it and it was only PG-13. What I'm not looking forward to is the battle at Minas Tirith in RotK; I really, <B>really</B> don't want to see the heads of those poor Gondorians flying over that wall... *shudder*

Elvenglass
02-03-2002, 06:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Paperwieght the Unused <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> What a fantastic name for a sword! I love it! And I don't remember who posted that..oops I'm sorry. Anyways...Even if the movie is rated R..in Canada it'll probably be like 14A..Ha ha! That means you only need to be 14 to get in. Anyways...All these "gay" topics are kind of frustrating...although I suppose we have to let people have their opinions...*grits teeth and counts to ten attempting to suppress anger* Ok I'm fine..have a good day everybody!

Rosa Underhill
02-04-2002, 03:02 AM
I'm the one who came up with "Paperweight the Unused"; I think I'm going to put that in one of my stories somewhere... <P>I'm just glad to see people that don't think Sam and Frodo being gay is "cute." I have one word for the image that comes to mind when I hear that: <B>harf</B>! It's just not right! A lesbian even agreed with me that Sam and Frodo are just friends. That's when you know they're not gay for sure...

Sindalómiel
02-04-2002, 05:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Elanor:<BR><STRONG>What are R and M? I take it these are American ratings? What do they mean? <BR>Thanks.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In Australia, an M rating means "for Mature audiences", 15+. I.e. it has a bit of sex, violence, bad language or whatever, but not all that much. MA is a rating slightly higher than M. And then R is 18+, for very violent movies, or ones with lots of sex or whatever.

Gayalondiel
02-04-2002, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ever watch NFL players slap each other on the butt after making a great play? Or hug and dogpile on top of a player after the touchdown? How about the post-victory lockerroom celebration when the champagne is flowing and a player hugs his mvp buddy and tells the camera and the world, "I love this guy!"<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Do we have to do this? what is this big taboo about men not touching? If the Fellowship was composed of nine women no-one would bat an eyelid at them hugging and kissing. And yes, male sports teams hug all the time and that's just for getting a ball to a certain point! The men in LOTR are fighting for the freedom of all middle-earth...slightly more intense, i think...<P>Sorry, i don't mean to be lairy

MenRWeak
02-04-2002, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gayalondiel:<BR><STRONG><P>Do we have to do this? what is this big taboo about men not touching? If the Fellowship was composed of nine women no-one would bat an eyelid at them hugging and kissing. And yes, male sports teams hug all the time and that's just for getting a ball to a certain point! The men in LOTR are fighting for the freedom of all middle-earth...slightly more intense, i think...<P>Sorry, i don't mean to be lairy </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gayalondiel,<BR>I'm prone to sarcasm, a trait common in England judging from the Brits I've known. Surely a Londoner such as yourself would know this. Then again, perhaps I've read your reply wrong.<P>To clear up my position...I do not feel that any work of Tolkiens has gay undertones. It shows a sad state of affairs nowadays when people quickly misconstrue brotherly love for homosexuality. Perhaps these people lack the life experience to discern this difference?

Ara'rial
02-04-2002, 11:52 PM
I don't think JRRT intended anything like that when he wrote his books. It just shows the friendship that bonds all his characters together. Go deeper into the story.

Gayalondiel
02-05-2002, 04:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm prone to sarcasm, a trait common in England judging from the Brits I've known. Surely a Londoner such as yourself would know this. Then again, perhaps I've read your reply wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sorry mate, i wasn't suggesting you were serious in your post. I picked up on the sarcasm,honest. I just found it a convenient thread to pick up on, my point being the same as yours. My post was worded badly tho. sorry

Jjudvven
02-05-2002, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ara'rial:<BR><STRONG>I don't think JRRT intended anything like that when he wrote his books. It just shows the friendship that bonds all his characters together. Go deeper into the story.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's right! I don't know how anyone can possibly get all these themes out of TLotR!! RR would never put anything like that in his books, and I don't think that PJ would either....<P>

rhudladion
02-05-2002, 10:01 AM
Anyone in favor of letting this thread go by the way-side? Its originator has only written once since its inception, and IMO its quite lacking in interest. If in favor, I guess the appropriate thing to do is to NOT reply.<p>[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: Rhudladion ]

The Barrow-Wight
02-05-2002, 10:13 AM
Why reply to it at all if you feel it shouldn't be replied to? All you've managed to do is bring it the top of the active threads list.<p>[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: The Barrow-Wight ]

rhudladion
02-05-2002, 11:00 AM
In order to suggest silence one must speak, Barrow Wight.

The Barrow-Wight
02-05-2002, 11:10 AM
To paraphrase Gandalf, "He who breaks a thing to show it's not worth breaking has left the path of wisdom."

Jjudvven
02-05-2002, 12:29 PM
I like that quote!

rhudladion
02-05-2002, 12:49 PM
Here's one for ya Barrow-Wight.<P>"Hsh!", breathed Frodo.

Starbreeze
02-05-2002, 03:18 PM
I would write here more often if I was allowed on-line! But I don't mind if you close it down, it seems that you are all pretty exhausted by this subject. I'm sorry but I was new here when I wrote this and I was not aware that other people had put the same things, a hundred times. Forgiven?

rhudladion
02-05-2002, 04:14 PM
Starbreeze,<P>Perhaps I spoke in haste and without thoughtfullness-the two usually share the floor. Furthermore, I do not have the authority to shut the thread down, yet I would not shut it down had I the authority to do so. Nothing has been done which warrants a "shut down" by the holders of the Member-Numbers of old. I just thought the subject had been exhausted; but perhaps my entry had an heir of insistance and for that I apologize.<P>[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: Rhudladion ]<p>[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: Rhudladion ]

Rosa Underhill
02-06-2002, 05:36 AM
Naturally, Mr. Tolkien would never have put something like homosexuality in TLotR. He was devote Catholic and an Englishman to boot. In that day and age, homosexuality were not such a big deal and hardly worth mentioning.<P>I love Sam and Frodo's relationship as is: pure brotherly love. You just don't see that much in stories these days. And the fact that there was no sex at all in TLotR really made it much more appleaing to me. (I am a firm believer that sex does not sell and I prefer my fantasty sex-free. Sadly, I've only found two fantasy books/series that have none of it suggested at all: Lord of the Rings, and the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander. If anyone knows of others, please, please, please tell me!)

starbreeze
02-06-2002, 12:32 PM
I know. Now.

Rosa Underhill
02-07-2002, 05:16 PM
Aw, Starbreeze, this was a good topic! Don't feel bad! You asked the question right at the time I needed to vent and have my voice heard on the subject. If nothing else, you made at least this hobbit-lass feel better by letting her talk it out.

Daisy Sandybanks
02-07-2002, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think that homoerotic was the LAST thing on PJ's mind! I really don't think that those were intended... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, and the last thing on J.R.R. Tolkiens mind aswell. Thouhg I did notice homoerotism in the books(not in the movie though) too, but I still think that that was the last thing on their minds and that It wasn't intentially done.

Rosa Underhill
02-08-2002, 06:08 AM
I should dearly like to know where you found homoeroticism in the books because I haven't seen any at all. (Granted, I've only read the book once, but...)<P>If you look at it logically, though, how/why would Tolkien have that in his books? He was a devote Christian, married and had three(?) kids. And the character most likely to be considered homosexual (Sam) clearly disproved that when he got married and had thirteen kids!

Starbreeze
02-08-2002, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rosa Underhill:<BR><STRONG>Aw, Starbreeze, this was a good topic! Don't feel bad! You asked the question right at the time I needed to vent and have my voice heard on the subject. If nothing else, you made at least this hobbit-lass feel better by letting her talk it out.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank you I feel much better now.<BR>

Glenethor
02-09-2002, 08:48 PM
Ya know, I am new here, so I will probably give opinions that have been offered <I>ad nauseum</I> to questions that have been beaten to death.<P>That never stopped me before. Just thought I'd warn you...<BR> <P>No. Nope. Don't see it. Know the book(s) well, never saw it there, never saw it in the movie. Context is important here. Tolkien was in the trenches of WWI. He had close friends die at the Somne. Anyone who goes through something like that will be seriously affected, when one second you are talking to a buddy, and the next second his brains are all over your tunic. Remember, the only combatants in those days were <I>men</I>. When your life is in the hands of others, close ties occur. It really is as simple as that. The Fellowship is thrown together in the face of a monstrous Evil that seeks their annihilation. It is no wonder that they become close.<P>Now, the first thing I read about the homosexual or homeoerotic subtext in LoTR was an interview with Sir Ian McKellen, who is openly gay. He was asked about Gandalf's sexuality, and Sir Ian basically said that Gandalf was probably asexual. My first response from reading this interview was 'whaaa???' Why ask these questions in the first place? Incidentally, I had never heard of Sir Ian before LoTR, didn't know his sexual preferences. My visceral response was one of discomfort, because I was concerned whether or not Sir Ian's orientation would distort my perception of his playing Gandalf. It didn't. The contemporary context is one in which homosexuals are actively and publicly forcing themselves into the mainstream. Now, before you think I am a homophobe, I just have a problem with children being exposed to some of the more outrageous antics in the Gay Pride parades. I could care less. One manifestation of their fight to become mainstream is the making of dubious claims on various pieces of art, film, or literature. My opinion is they just want to be a 'part of,' which is ok...but I guess they can't help reading things into texts and images that are there only in their imaginations. It is <I>projection</I>. Now, someone is going to say, 'I saw this, and I am not gay,' to which I say you have been sensitized to consider it in such a fashion. That's fine. I don't see it, because it just isn't there.<P>Hope I don't offend too many people here. Just expressing my opinion.

Starbreeze
02-10-2002, 12:50 PM
hi, Glenethor! Welcome to the board!

River Jordan
02-10-2002, 03:34 PM
Hi Starbreeze! Just wanted to say howdy - I like your name! It's a very "elven" name - very "ElfQuesty". How did you come up with it?

Daisy Sandybanks
02-10-2002, 07:18 PM
Rosa Underhill:<P>Yes, I only have read the books once too, and, well, now that I think about it, it wasn't homoerotism that I saw, it was just plain, good old fashioned friendship. I actually enjoyed the parts were Sam was so close to Frodo, holding his hand, caressing him and all, those parts really touched me, it really showed how loyal and devoted Sam was to Frodo.

Rosa Underhill
02-10-2002, 09:07 PM
Yay! Daisy has seen the light! *does the happy hobbit dance, everyone runs*<P>My favorite parts of the book all involve Sam showing how much he cares about Frodo. When they fell asleep at the stairs to Cirith Ungol, when Sam rescued Frodo from the Tower, when he carried Frodo on his back and when he was trying to keep poor Frodo warm in the midst of the wastes of Mordor... All those parts just moved me. (Maybe it's a chick thing.)

Starbreeze
02-11-2002, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by River Jordan:<BR><STRONG>Hi Starbreeze! Just wanted to say howdy - I like your name! It's a very "elven" name - very "ElfQuesty". How did you come up with it?</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I really don't know the answer to that actually. Well, I write fantasy part time and I'm always coming up with new "words" and "names" to use in my stories, for example, I (think) made up the place names in my latest - "Tironë, Bamaur, Chelak, Bul'levan and Haladie" (awful aren't thay?) from combining the ends and middles of random words, maybe "Starbreeze" was born that way, but as far as I can remember I was walking down the corridor one day and lightning struck me and whispered "Starbreeze". Or prehaps I wasn't listening to my friend properly and thought she said "Starbreeze" when she really said sneeze...?<P>But anyway, I'm glad you like it, its always nice to have feedback on this type of thing. I wasn't going to use it in my books, but maybe I will after all...<P>What do you mean by "ElfQuesty"?<P>Hope I haven't bored everyone with my gabble, I find it interesting, but few others do. In fact, I have yet to meet anyone how can stay awake for more than two minutes of my babble...oh, here I go again.<P><Calls into the distance> If anyone out there IS still awake, I apologise for the boredom (lol)

Starbreeze
02-11-2002, 02:08 PM
*calls to the dark, empty world* Anyone out there?

Joy
02-11-2002, 02:36 PM
In response to RiverJordan -<P>The 4 words for LOVE in the Greek are:<P>Pheilo - Brotherly Love<BR>Eros - sexual Love<BR>Agape - unconditional (God-kind) Love<BR>Storge - (pronounced stor-gay) Family Love - between parents and children.

Daegwenn
02-11-2002, 03:04 PM
People take from what they read what they wish to see. If you think that that is what you saw, then so be it-but in doing so, be discrete. If you have read the books, then maybe you would understand the reason why many people here are a bit 'ruffled' by your statement. <P>honestly, I watched the movie before I read the books, because I could never sit tight through the whole thing. Trust me, if you crack open the book, you will realize the nature behind the relationships between men. Although, some people, after reading the books, like to write on relationships that the characters held, the have no more basis than their own meandering ideas. <P>Sincerely,<BR>Daegwenn<P>

River Jordan
02-11-2002, 06:22 PM
To Joy:<BR>Thanks! That fourth one was on the tip of my tongue...'ppreciate that!

River Jordan
02-11-2002, 06:26 PM
To Starbreeze:<P>ElfQuest is the name of a fantasy comic book series that has been running for about 20 years - I mentioned it once I think in a message thread I started about "What other kind of fantasy books do you read?" Anyway, I was a big ElfQuest fan in high school, and that's where my name "River" came from (originally "River Runner", I've dropped the Runner part... If you're interested in checking it out, you can visit their website at: <A HREF="http://www.elfquest.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.elfquest.com/</A> Great stuff!

Starbreeze
02-12-2002, 12:45 PM
Ahhh, thanks, that makes sense now.

Araen
02-13-2002, 11:02 AM
R? TT R? nooooooooo Mom won't let me see R movies. Back to the main theme they aren't at all not in any shape or form. I mean after all The Fellowship has to have gotten rather close because they all depend on one another.

Elenglin
03-03-2002, 05:24 AM
Yess, I'm not the only one!! <P>I've seen the movie three times, and each time I exept Frodo to say in the last scene:<BR>"Sam.. I love you."<BR>but he always says<BR>"Sam.. I'm glad that you're here with me."<P>There are also some _really_ erotic lines and sentences in the finnish version of the book.

Rosa Underhill
03-04-2002, 01:34 AM
That may be, but in it's original language, the eroticism has to be thought into place by the reader. Otherwise, it simply isn't there. (I.e. Sam and Frodo, as I've said often, are not "gay".) Hope that didn't sound too snobbish; I didn't mean it that way if it did.