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[Durelin]

I was disgraced to find so many people on the Barrow Downs endlessly complaining about the movie! IT ROCKED! You should not have expected it straight from the book! The books were written in the earlier part of the 1900s! It is now the twenty first century! The LOTR movies had so much time, effort and MONEY put into them to make the movies last through the generations! The VERY LARGE amount of money spent on this film must be earned back, plus, they must make a profit or all the companies and people behind these movies would be ruined! They had to change the story to be accepted and VERY WELL LIKED by a 21st century audience! You should not look at these movies as the books but as NORMAL MOVIES! The ones that were movies first and then people wrote graphic novels about! The books written by J.R.R Tolkien were so different, they were beautiful books, so seperate from all others and it will always be that way, that is why the movies can not be like the book! The books are so noble, they are above movies and videogames! They can not be taken and made into an exact replica movie! I LOVED the movie, it was THE BEST! Better than the first! The Two Towers film, which has hit box office records making second only to Star Wars: A New Hope I should add, needs help on this message board! Those who loved it, join me in this quest!<p>[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Aragorn2002]

count me in!
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[Durelin]

Thankyou! Knew I would find people! Glad to have you!

[Aragorn2002]

It was the best movie I've seen in ages.
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[Nalana]

Count me in as well. I loved the movie!

[Aragorn2002]

3 members already!
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[Durelin]

Thankyou, I thought it was better than the first one. It was darker, there was more action, and Gollum was cool. Oh, and you can't forget the Ents, they were so AWESOME!

[Durelin]

Cool, this is going better than I thought it would!

[Aragorn2002]

heck it was better than the 1st one!<BR>I'm getting TTT video game for X-mas!
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[Aragorn2002]

What did you think it was going to be?
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[Durelin]

Already got the video game! It's cool, my brother already got to the last level though! I'm pretty good but he has more experience! I thought people would yell at me, my movements and clubs and stuff always kind of go wrong! Sometimes they get me in trouble! Well, I should expect Coral soon, I saw the movie with her both times I saw it and she of course loved it! And I should expect my other friend who I saw it with too, I think her name is Havaday or something, she told me she just registered here, I think to help me out!<p>[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Aragorn2002]

Really?!?<BR>tell me every level lol.
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[Arathiriel]

Count me among your numbers as I thought this movie <B>rocked</B>!!!<P>I <B>LOVED</B> <I>The Two Towers</I>!!!<p>[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Arathiriel ]

[Aragorn2002]

four members!
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[Durelin]

Explaining every level would take WAY TOO LONG! It's a complicated game, and I don't want to ruin it for you! Only 5 days till Christmas! Thankyou Arathiriel! Join us! You know, I've started an official members list so I won't forget anyone!

[Aragorn2002]

No, just tell me the levels, like the names of the places, or what you do.
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[Durelin]

Gotta go! I'll be back tomorrow, I'll check in more often now that I'm on Christmas break! Yeah! Bye!

[Durelin]

Okay, it starts with you as I think Isildur at the Last Alliance, then your Aragorn at Weathertop, then you star being able to be Aragorn Legolas or Gimli. There's the Gates of Moria, then the Mines of Moria, then Amon Hen, then Fangorn, then three Edoras levels (aren't in the movie really) then three Helms Deep levels, those are awesome, but not as good as the movie! And you open up interviews and stuff as you improve your people. And there are secret missions and a secret character. Haven't got those open yet though!

[Aragorn2002]

If you beat the game with Aragorn, you get Islidor<P>Beat the Orthanic Level with leglas and ulock Legolas secret level<P>Beat game with Legolas unlock interview with orlando bloom. <P>If you need anymore codes, just give a yell.
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[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Well, it wasn't even written a century or more ago, but still, it was a long time ago. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You should not look at these movies as the books but as NORMAL MOVIES! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You cannot look at these movies as normal moies. They were based on the books and PJ said he was bringing the books to the screen. He said he was going to follow the books as much as he could. LIAR! If I only had a picture of him with his pants on fire. He could change somethings if he needed to, but these changes were unnecessary and too immense. I did not expect to see the movie as an exact replica of the books and I don't think that anyone did. The thing is that we didn't think that it would be changed that much.<P>I liked the movie, but I didn't love it. I have many criticisms about it and there were many things that I hate about it. I thought it was a good movie, but I still hate it in a way. So, do not count me in.<P>Seems like you don't have many members. Just something to think about, not to offend you.

[Have a day]

I thought the movie was awesome and I AM CORAL DAMNIT! >< Not my sister who stole my account and is stuck with the name Coral! This is me! And person that posted that thing contridicting what my friend wrote, you need to just go away. You don't come into something to dump on it. AND WHO CARES HOW MANY ME- Don't get me started. I'll go on this huge rant and nobody needs it. AND HEY RACH! ^^

[ReededGoat]

Look, it should never be 100% either way...it's good and normal to enjoy something but still have lots of criticism. To spend time considering the film enough to have criticisms is to be respectful to the time and effort put into making the film.

[Have a day]

Constructive criticism you mean? Not mindless bashing? People get the lines on those two blurred a lot.

[ReededGoat]

mindless bashing (bashing = a base form of criticism) is an oxymoron.

[Have a day]

But constructive criticism is a way of helping the person learn from their mistakes. Bashing ones work is just saying something is bad with no facts to support what you have said.

[Sharkû]

Stay on topic. The topic laid out by the site, not by the thread, even.

[Aragorn2002]

Have you noticed this is called TTT Movie Lovers Club?!? If you're not going to join, don't post.
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[Rose Cotton]

Calm down guys. Before we start screaming at eachother and getting this thread closed lets stand our ground rationally. Here are the facts:<P>These movies are based on J.R.R. Tolkien's works and are therefore different then other movies.<P>These movies are being made for more then Tolkien fans and therefore must beable to satisfy all.<P>PJ did say he would try to stay as close as his could to the books.<P>PJ did say he took the most librities in TTT.<P>Some of the changes do seem irrational.<P>I don't think PJ would do a change just for the sake of it. I beleive he has a reason for everything in these movies. Something he wants to protray.<P>The people here on the Barrowdowns do seem to be a bit rough on PJ.<P>In order for us few who loved the movie to change the minds of or at least get the attention and respect of the other members we must not riot or do anything disrespecfull. We must hold our ground with examples and information to back up the reasons why this movie (TTT) was worth all our money and time.<P>The air of dissapointment around the Downs has been getting me down. I loved the movie and want to join a group who's on my side.<P>COUNT ME IN.

[Nalana]

Rose Cotton, I agree with you 100%!!! I feel just the same way. Anyway, I really enjoyed this movie, and I can't wait to see it again! <BR> <p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Nalana ]

[Durelin]

I will have no more movie bashing on MY thread! Grrrrr! Nice to see you Coral (Have a day) Glad you're here! And welcome Rose Cotton! Thankyou for trying to keep some control! And thankyou Aragorn and Coral for backing up the movie! Cool! 6 members! <p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Durelin]

If anyone knows someone here who liked the movie, please tell them about this club! Thanks again!<P>~*Durelin*~

[TealDude3]

Count me in! TTT was the best movie this year! I even liked the parts at Osgalath(sp?). "And that's saying something."<P>Two Towers was even better than FOTR. It's weird how some people on this site crticize the sence that weren't in the book. Sure, PJ make changes, but they were great changes.<P>Can't wait for ROTK!!!

[Durelin]

Thankyou Tealdude! Yes, 7 members! I'm glad PJ put the elves in Helms Deep, it didn't make elves seem so heartless as people who haven't read the books would think. How long do you think this club should go on, should it go to the ROTK and then switch over to the new movie lovers club (I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like that one too), or should we combine the two as TTT and TROTK Movie Lovers Club? Any suggestions members, I will take anything just to keep this club alive!<BR> <p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Maleliel]

I'll join your club because I thought the movie rocked as well!!! COUNT ME IN!!!

[Durelin]

8 members...maybe I should stop counting... Thankyou! I've been using that word a lot too, oh well, I'm just a polite person <BR> <p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Lhunbelethiel]

I'm in the club! Heck yeah! I am so grateful that I live in a time when Tolkien is so appreciated and so beuatifully brought to life in the films by Peter Jackson. Bravo!

[Coral]

o.O I'm still #9! You see, my damn sister left her account on! This is gonna be too confusing

[Coral]

Sorry sister of mine! Not my fault I WAS ON THE BOARDS FIRST! ^.^ But staying on topic I'd like to say that the more members the better!

[mollecon]

As I said from the very start, Ilike this movie a lot. Yes, I can find things I don't totally agree with, but overall, it's great.

[Marillanna Sarnie]

Hey, count me in! <BR>I LOVED the movie, and I say it was worth waiting for six hours in line for the 12:05 show on the 18th.(Got the best seats in the theatre!) I don't agree with all the changes, but it's LOTR: The Movies not LOTR: The Books. It can't be perfect. The movie was stunning in every way! Gollum is the best CGI character ever! There are so many positive things about the movie, that I can handle the changes that were made.

[Coral]

See what I mean? She just posted something under my name! Find another board Coral!

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

COUNT ME IN COUNT ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!! TTT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!! <BR>Some of the changes were alittle surprising, but they were great!!! The movies can't be totally like the books, otherwise it wouldn't work as movies.<P>But anyways, yea count me in the club!!!!!!! <P>TTT TOTALLY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[*Varda*]

Um, I think you've got your wires crossed. Just because people criticise the movie in some ways doesn't mean they don't like it. Loads of people on the site probably do, so don't talk about few.<P>As for me, haven't seen the movie yet (Grr) but will have on Christmas Eve! Can't wait! *does happy dance*<P>Although I must admit, some of the changes I've heard about sound pretty pointless - Haldir's death for one, and I can't understand why PJ bothered to make this unnecessary changes.<P>~Varda

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Thank you Varda. I'm one of those people and I keep telling them that I like it even though there were a lot of things I hated about it. Some people here still classify me as a TTT hater just because I criticise it. And yes, I'm sure there are many others here who feel the same.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I went to the movies with all expectations of things not being in their right place and certain variations and yadda, yadda, yadda.<P>I too am quite disappointed by the Downers general lack of enthusiasm. It appears that we have been segregated into three parts. The part who disliked the movie. The part who sort of liked it but were still rather unhappy with Jackson. And the part who loved it.<P>People, we still have the books. I always, and I mean ALWAYS, knew that the movies would not be as good as the books. You simply cannot argue against that. However, how many Downers are there?......that's not rhetorical, I really don't know. But the point is that each one of us (well, most of us) had a different vision of Middle-Earth before we saw the films. Hell, some of you didn't like Boromir in the books. (Not me, I loved that guy!)<P>Take a relaxed approach to the films, realise the difference, don't take them as seriously as you take the books. That's what I did, and I love the movies.<P>Count me in as a new member of this club. You guys rock!

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What? Are you happy or something?

[Durelin]

If you only post to criticize the members and the movie, please GO AWAY! Start your own club against PJ if you want! Please, do not ruin this club for the people who liked the movie just because you want to tell people you didn't like what PJ did or hated the movie or tell the members that we have it all wrong about those who criticize the movie! Please do not ruin my thread so you can state your opinions against the members! Sorry, but I don't think you belong here! And this is the second time for Willie! I'd like to hear your opinions but please not on this thread, that is not its purpose! I realize you might still like the movie but this club is for those who can not find as much to criticize about as you. Thankyou! <P>mollecon, are you joining? I couldn't tell by your post!<P>EDIT: You can now go here: <P><A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001512" TARGET=_blank>TTT Movie Lovers vs. movie likers vs. movie haters</A><p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Thank you Durelin. I shall leave now. Thanks for doing it in a calm and civilized manner.

[Durelin]

Thankyou, there is no reason to kill you because you have different opinion from me on a pretty trivial matter! You stopped with the things against the members anyway.<p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[*Varda*]

I did not criticise the members in any way, nor did I criticise the movie. You should calm down.<P>Secondly, if you post a public topic you can't just tell people to go away, simply because they have an opinion you don't like. <P>~Varda

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

Ummmm... easy now people, no need to get angry at one another...<BR>To get back on topic...<BR>I am a TTT lover, so you can count me in this "club" or thread, or whatever. I have already seen it 3 times ( !!!!), and I can't wait to see it again next weekend with my friend who hasn't seen it yet.<BR>I had anice experience with it last night because I sat next to a mom and her son and daughter, it was cute because she would introduce the characters for them... "Look, it's Gandalf! Yaaayyy!!!!". It wasn't that loud, though, so I thought it was cute.<BR>Anywho, it seems that quite a few people are enjoying the movie. When I was leaving the theatre I overheard a girl saying, "that was a really good four hour movie." Well, 3 hours...

[Rose Cotton]

I have spent hours of time trying very hard to figure out why PJ made the changes he did to Faramir's part. As I racked my brain I came up with a few possible reasons. <P>For one thing, makeing it seem like Frodo and Sam were not going to be able to complete the quest increased the tension.<P>I also didn't think Faramir was completely changed. In the books Faramir did have a hostle air about him generated mostly by the fact Frodo already had to deal with the guy's brother. Faramir had this same feeling about him in the movie.<P>If you look at Faramir's face, at times you can tell that he's not a bad guy. Remember that he wants to be as good to his father as Boromir was. Bringing the One Ring is defiatly a way to advance his status. In the books the tough relation between Faramir and Denethor is protrayed as it should be in a book. But in a movie in order to get points across it is at times nessisary to exadurate the actions the characters take. Making Faramir take Sam and Frodo to that city was a way to show that Faramir was trying to do somthing that his father would consider good. When we meet Denethor next year I'm sure the fact will be brought up.<P>Of course I may be completely wrong but that is somthing to think about and is also a reason why this club is justified.<P>By the way, I understand that if someone critisizes the movie they don't audimatically hate it but there just seem to be too many let downs. And that makes us feel bad because unintentionally bad feelings have a tendincy to spread.

[Gorwingel]

I just have to say, this is my very first post, I loved The Two Towers, it was very different from the book, but it was a wonderful movie and it was just what I expected, so I know I am part of this club

[-Imrahil-]

Definately good ideas Rose Cotton.<P>I don't think changing Faramir was ALL that bad. I didn't especially like Osgiliath but that's my only complaint.

[GreyIstar]

I'm in. I thought Faramir was intersting in the movie. I also agree that his expressions often didn't look bad and quite the opposite. IMO he is more complex in the movie. He is straight arrow in the books and thats great for the book because it gives wonderful chapters of conversation, but youc an't put all those chapers in the movie. You just can't.<p>[ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ]

[Beruthiel]

TTT RULED!!! I've seen it twice and gonna see it again this thursday!! <BR>I thought Faramir was alright but I would have liked it better if he had been more similar to the books, but he was still good.<BR>Eowyn was really good, just like I had imagined her.<BR>I LOVED HELMS DEEP!!! I nearly died when the orcs came marching up! Seriously, the whole cinema was silent <BR>I realise that the movie couldn't be axactly like the book, but I didn't want it to be, I wanted to be surprised instead of knowing exactly everything that would happen.<BR>I don't see the problem with Haldir dying, I was crying at that part......<BR>Well Anyways the main thing is....<BR>TTT IS THE BEST!!!!!!

[Durelin]

Yeah, 16 memebers! Pretty good! Shove it Willie! We'll out number you yet! Members, start defending the movie with your excellent minds! There is too much complaining going on at the Barrow-Downs! Brace the gate! Love it! Thankyou Beruthiel, that's why I liked it so much, it was a suprise! That's why I couldn't find anything to complain about! Thankyou, you have truly enlightended me!

[Rose Cotton]

Oh, I thought of another reason for the change to Faramir's part. Perhaps PJ thought that if Faramir kept Frodo and Sam moveing (going to Osgiliath) it would be more exighting then just sitting and talking in the cave the whole movie.<P>And am I the only one who thought that part where Frodo was about to give up the Ring to the Nazgul was very cool and exighting. The shot for it was just mind blowing. And the look on Frodo's face. *shivers*

[Durelin]

That makes lots of sense Rose! Good, there are smart people here! I noticed a TTT Haters thing going on, I'm going to check it out. If it is a Hatersmoot (he he) we have to get more people! ADVERTISEMENT! Well, it's not that big of a deal, but it could be fun and interesting!

[Nalana]

<B>Rose Cotton</B>, that's a really good point, I didn't really think of that . I thought when frodo said towards the end "they're here. they are coming" (can't remember exactly what the line was) was very cool. It gaves me the chills with his look and how his voice changed. <BR>But I think that could have been a reason why Faramir kept Frodo and Sam like that. There were some other points in the forum as a whole that I agreed with. Can't think of them at the moment though... lol

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

Yea I agree with Rose Cotton, the whole changing Faramir thing was no big deal, I think they did a good job in fact. I don't really mind the changes at all, and as Rose has pointed out, they seemed to have good reasons for doing so!

[Nenya]

Count me in, Durelin!<BR>Though I didn't "just" love TTT, it had it's disappoinments too. Biggest of them the fact that I didn't love it as much as I loved FotR. With that said, how can I still claim myself as a TTT-lover? Easy. FotR was so good, that TTT could've been a LOT worse and I'd still had liked it. So yes, I loved The Two Towers.<P>Rose Cotton: Excellent points! Finally someone who has thought WHY the changes were made and not just how horrible they were. And I too don't think that Faramir seemed like a bad guy.

[Durelin]

Sorry, found out TTT Haters was TealDudes! Thankyou for joining Nenya! I thought it was better than FOTR, but that's just me! Right, gotta find more people! Need more! Only 17! I really shouldn't be complaining, 17 isn't bad! Thankyou everyone for joining, especially Aragorn2002 for being the FIRST member! And joining only one minute after I posted the thread! I thought that was pretty cool. Anyways, I was kinda wondering what you thought of the Ents. I have heard plenty about Faramir, and Gollum, but not much about the Ents. Maybe there wasn't much to complain about them? Well, I LOVED them, they were exactly how I imagined, maybe better! I was glad to see they were not like the Ewoks, though I did love those guys, but that wasn't how they were supposed to be. So, any thoughts on Ents, or anything else for that matter, I'm pretty bored and open to any type of discussion! Man, that post strung on froever...

[Durelin]

I wasn't talking to you now was I Varda! You're fine, I just didn't like what Willie said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Seems like you don't have many members. Just something to think about, not to offend you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I took offense all the same. He really didn't have to say something like that, that's just mean! And I wasn't in a good mood to begin with that day, so he didn't help! Anyway, hope you enjoy the movie, even though right now it doesn't seem good to you. I believe that Haldir was killed so that the good guys didn't seem "invincible". I don't think people take things as seriously when none of the more major characters die. It makes a story more believable and no story is complete without sorrow. It also makes the enemies look weak or the victories too easy. It's a better stroy if there is a lot of hardships and death along the way. Look, TTT starts to talk about <I>the</I> war; in war people die so PJ probably figured that someone would have to die right? I think those kind of things give a story/movie more flavor. That's just my opinion. You are still welcome to join of course, after you see the movie, if you still believe it is worthy to bear <I>The Lord of the Rings</I> in its title!

[the mortal elf]

I'm with you!

[Waenfalathiel]

I loved the movie. You can't expect them to put everything form the book into the movie.<BR>Count me in! <p>[ December 23, 2002: Message edited by: Waenfalathiel ]

[VanimaEdhel]

*Walks in, still slightly stunned and crying a bit*<P>I just saw it...wow...amazing. I thought it was going to be great, but not <I>that</I> amazing...wow...<P>Definitely, definitely count me in...it was so amazing. The effects were incredible. How anyone can criticize such a masterpiece, I cannot imagine. Sure, they did not stick to the story, but the got the feel of Middle Earth across completely. That's what PJ always said: that he knew that he could not stick 100% to the story, but that he just hoped to portray Middle Earth as it was.<P>And I get to see it again Wednesday with my dad...I want to see it more. This movie had better win more Academy Awards than Fellowship of the Ring did: it is better, in my eyes, and it's just...amazing...again I say, "wow", as there are no words in any language I know that convey my amazement.<P>Anyway, I am certainly a member of this club.

[Rose Cotton]

It's nice to see there's alot of people who appreciate The Two Towers movie.<P>And look I have a cool pic from it<P><--------------- <p>[ December 23, 2002: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ]

[Miththôlien]

Hey Durelin, I'm with you. The movie was the BEST!!! Anyway, I thought the Ents were AWESOME!!! TTT was better that FOTR, in my opinion, but thats just me. Where's Ariel, Rachel?? Aragorn rocks!!

[PippinSqueak]

Totally count me in! I LOVED THAT MOVIE! IT KICKED BUTT!

[Miththôlien]

How come nobody is talking about Aragorn? He only is THE BEST!! LOL!! <P>Anywhoo, email me Durelin! I never get any email from you!! Piph you!! Go piph O-Bob!!

[Coral]

ANGELA! You've found your way here, eh? I thought you died! Oh yeah, Only I piph O-Bob...hehe...ok back to the point, The movie is goooooooooooooooooooood! Thats my piece

[mollecon]

Saw it today again - OK, me lub it Count me in!

[Coral]

*Pokes thread with a stick*<BR>Eh? I think it died......... <BR>*poke poke*

[Marsyas]

I'm definitely in on this!!!<BR>I saw TTT at the midnight showing the day it came out!!! It was so awesome. I went to see it again on the 24th. When I've got some money, I'll go again. This was better than any other movies that have come out recently and I can't wait for RotK.<P>*~Marsyas~*

[Sword Maiden Of The Shire]

The Two Towers was GREAT!! I absolutely LOVED it!!<P>-----------------------------<BR>"It's talking,Merry!" "The tree is talking!" -Pippin<P>"Tree?! I am no tree! I am an Ent!"-Treebeard<P>"A tree hearder! A shepard of the forest!"<BR>-Merry<P>"Don't talk to it Merry! Don't encourage it!"-Pippin<P>ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS!

[Beruthiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "It's talking,Merry!" "The tree is talking!" -Pippin<P>"Tree?! I am no tree! I am an Ent!"-Treebeard<P>"A tree hearder! A shepard of the forest!"<BR>-Merry<P>"Don't talk to it Merry! Don't encourage it!"-Pippin<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah that bit was sooooo funny! <BR>Oh and welcome to the downs Sword Maiden

[Sword Maiden Of The Shire]

Thanks Beruthiel!! <P>---------------------------<BR>"I think we made a mistake leaving the Shire,Pippin" -Merry when they are with the Uruk-Hai

[Rose Cotton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "It's talking,Merry!" "The tree is talking!" -Pippin<BR>"Tree?! I am no tree! I am an Ent!"-Treebeard<P>"A tree hearder! A shepard of the forest!"<BR>-Merry<P>"Don't talk to it Merry! Don't encourage it!"-Pippin<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And Pippin's old self from movie 1 shows through. LOL<P>I loved how they mentioned the Old Forest. <P>And, if you noticed, PJ or someone took the time to realize that Merry aquired a cut on his forehead JUST LIKE IN THE BOOK! <P>If any of you see the movie again or even just trailors or pictures of Merry, look for the cut and what becomes a scar.

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

I thought the Ents were pretty cool, but I think the made them a little to skinny and their legs are too long. But thier faces are great!!!!!!! And treebeard's voice rocked!!! <P><BR>But I really really LOVED Aragorn!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is soooo awesome!! He is the best in my opinion!!

[PeregrinTook]

Durelin, I TOTALLY agree!!!!!!!!! I shall indeed join you on this Quest!<BR>It is my opinion that the books and movies should be looked at and rated separately! YES! THIS IS THE 21st CENTURY! To get the people to enjoy the movies, you'll have to change them some! And I'm not saying anything bad about the books! I've read them four times and am on my fifth. They're my favorites! But same with the movies! I almost look at them (the movies) as a way to get the book-deprived public back into reading these books! I myself would never have picked them up had I not heard that these "great-sounding movies" were coming out!

[gollum*elf*pup]

Tee-hee! Count me in, I loved that movie! I can't wait to see it again! I loved Shadowfax, he was amazing!

[Sword Maiden Of The Shire]

ME TOO!! I'M GONING TO SEE THE RETURN OF THE KING ON OPENING DAY!! EVEN IF AFTERWARDS I FALL ASLEEP IN CLASS <P>----------------------------------<BR>"And who are you? His bodyguard?" ~Faramir~<BR>"His gardener" ~Sam~

[Durelin]

Wow! It's great to see so many members! I was just reflecting on the movie (huh? I'm trying to be smart!), I was thinking about impressive scenes. One I thought was impressive was the Elves marching into Helms Deep, and the Easterlings into Mordor. I don't know, I 'm into marching...yeah...marching...

[Durelin]

I think I have a knew friend, PeregrinTook- YOU ROCK! You are the first person to actually say that you agree with many of the things I said originally! Cool. Glad you understand my reasoning. Maybe no one else does...I don't always get my thoughts out correctly, anyway, three pages and still going! Yay! Yay! Yay! I just want to thank everyone who has joined and expressed their opinions! Thankyou very much to everyone!<p>[ December 29, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Alakhriveion TMA]

Sorry to Nay-say, but I thought the tTT movie was about 30 steps down from FotR. If not that, then the increadable changes from the book that made me very, very angry at Peter Jackson for making hte movie this way. However, I must admit I like the way he did Gollum's split personality scene. Very Green Goblin.

[PeregrinTook]

Just curious why ANYONE would think that TTT was NOT as good as FotR?!?!?! IT WAS BETTER!! Yes, they changed it from the account in the books, but LOOK AT THEM SEPERATLEY!! THE MOVIES NEED TO APPEAL TO THE 21st CENTURY! ::GRRRR:: Just read my previous comment...

[VanimaEdhel]

Now that I have my English skills back, I would like to say that I thought that "The Two Towers" was better than "The Fellowship of the Ring". I think that what you have to do is not really go in prepared to compare it to the books. I went in looking for it to be a good <I>movie</I> with the same basic messages. And, guess what? Even though it was not exactly like the book in every aspect, it kept the same basic themes and ideas and messages. And it was a very well-put-together movie, and the cast and crew worked very, very, very hard on it (Viggo almost drowned making it for goodness sakes), and it turned out amazing (especially Gollum). I just wish they didn't mar the name "Haldir" for me forever. I tear up whenever I see the name now...

[Durelin]

Dude, you get used to that after a while. I have become numb to these criticisms and outbursts of how "bad" TTT was. I cannot believe the fans lack of appreciation that someone would make a movie of such "old" books. Hollywood hasn't out for movies that are classic literature and don't have some naked butts or cleavage shown or something. I am very suprised at how well critics and non-Tolkien based viewers are liking it. There's no sex in the story! I'm suprised it's doing so well! Sorry, sarcasm. I hate how you can't watch a movie with a good story line without BAM! Girl and guy in underwear or less clothing. I have gotten pretty sick of it. Anyway, I thought it was better than the first one. Lots of people (non-Tolkien based) got a little bored believe it or not in the FOTR. TTT jumps right into the story, it's on a larger scale, more action, blood and gore, more characters, and more is at stake making it more exciting. In my opinion anyway. People are really loving it though, even this guy in my newspaper that didn't know what he was talking about. He said in some of his complaints that the Ents were too wierd and he said "they're just trees"! NO! They're Ents. I think he thought they moved around too much and were able to do too many things. He obviously didn't know much. Well, this club now has 27 members! Pretty good! Final thought (I promise): I hope it wins Best Picture this year!

[Deathwail]

First film i have gone back and seen a second time at the theater in over 15 years since VHS caught on.

[Coral]

Done with your rant? You know, fantasy movies aren't looked to highly upon at the Oscars. Nor are sequels, this movie has the odds against it...So don't be all surprised when it doesn't win, BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Durelin]

Shutup Coral. I still hope it does, what's gonna stop it? Attack of the Clones? The third Austin Powers movie? Huh? Huh? Huh? Eat that! Wait...

[Coral]

Well lets see, what might get a nomination. Just go look in the Oscar Chances thread, they named some movies...

[Durelin]

What? Gangs of New York? Harry Potter? I don't think so!

[Beruthiel]

Its been nominated for 2 Golden Globes, so you never know about the Oscars...<BR>They might just get it!

[Durelin]

Yeah, I saw those but I don't hold the Golden Globe Awards very highly, TTT deserves better than that. This threads dying again. Come back and poke it Coral!

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

I agree with Durelin, TTT should get a few Oscars, and I hope it gets those Golden Globes too!!!

[Coral]

BAH! There were more movies than those two mentioned! But anyways, back to me job!<BR>*poke poke*

[helkahothion]

Good day everybody,<P>I liked the movie a lot because with movies I'm easely pleased. But this one really rocked all other movies.<P>a couple of minor points:<BR>1)They made the Ent's look like cowards at firsth.<BR>2)Saruman was never inside of Theodon.<BR>3)Faramir was never seduced by the ring.<BR>4)This is my most drastic set back and it will take a while. Picture this: Battle at Helm's deep with elf's. Well I like Elf's so I was thrilled that PJ did that. BUT WHY THE F*CK DID PJ HAVE TO KILL HALDIR. Why would he kill a character out of the book that does not die in it. That make's no sence. I was disapointed when it happend. Why Haldir? I liked him. Could anyone clear this up for me?<P><BR>But further: I liked the movie a lot and the battle at Helm's deep was cool. (Altough very fussy and vage)<BR>*Duck's trowing object*<P>Oh and another thing:<BR>Smeagol is so cute and he is mine. I just love that little guy. When he start's crying. I wish that that nasty Gollum would just go away and that Smeagol would stay nice Seagol.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Coral, Durelin and others, this is a discussion, not a chat room. Please make meaningful posts instead of one-line conversations. Thank you!

[Durelin]

Hello Anduion! Hamfast is enjoying your roleplaying. Glad you liked the movie, but did you like it enough to join or what exactly? I need you to come out and say "Count me in" or "I'll join" or I won't get you. Thanks. I just am not smart enough to find the underlying meaning that you want ot join or don't want to join in your post. That's something for everyone to know. Don't take offense or somethin, I'm just saying that with my medium sized brain you must come out and say things straightforward-like! Thankyou everybody for joining, especially those who have shown much enthusiasm (you know who you are!)<P>Oh! Sorry Estelyn!<p>[ December 31, 2002: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[helkahothion]

My dear Durelin,<P>I'm in, I wanna Join, Count me in, please please accept me for I am a fallen sheep without a leader.(Will that do? )<P>Anyway I am very fond of the movie I'ts just that you can never sky rocket one. I like it a lot, but I can not let my love for the books blind me. (Altough I wish it did.) The dialog's where a lot from the movies and I liked that. <P>What I stated in my last post where my negative points. But they were my ONLY negative points. ANd if I would write down all the positive points, it woud be a post that will fill up the entire treat, if you get me?<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Nalana]

Helkahothion, I think with Haldir dying, (i didn't want him to die either ) I think They wanted to show some pain/sorrow/death on their side, instead of just killing all the Uruk Hai, and no of them being hurt/killed. I don't know, but that might have been one of the reasons for their decision. *shrugs*

[helkahothion]

My fair lady,<P>Thank you for clearing that up for me. But why the h*ll did it have to be an elf. Why did'n't they just let Gloín die instead? He was at the end of his life and Haldir still had a life in front of him.<P>Hmm can't twist with fate (or PJ)<P>But you rule anyway PJ. YAY PJ FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Nalana]

I was wondering why Haldir, but oh well. can't change the movie or anything. Hey, I have a question, Durelin. Since you're like head of this club, are we going to make a message board for our club or website, yahoo group, or something? Just curious.

[helkahothion]

Hey good Idea. Our very own "We love the second lotr movie" site. Hmm could just start fantasising about that. Is it me or did someone else notice at the Battle of the Ortanc, that a tree was set on fire. And then when the water came he took a large belly glide and shook the water off like a dog. That was hilarious. <P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Nalana]

Exactly.. I saw that the tree too. I thought it was funny, as well. But yeah, we should have a site for this or something...

[VanimaEdhel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Thank you for clearing that up for me. But why the h*ll did it have to be an elf. Why did'n't they just let Gloín die instead? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Gloin would involve Dwarves, and that would involve them getting involved, which they don't really do. Elves, however, do get involved.<P>Did you guys know that The Fellowship of the Ring did very well in the U.S.A. MTV Movie Awards? While, for some odd reason, most teens will probably vote for "8 Mile" this year, I've seen a lot of teen-agers going to the movies to see The Two Towers multiple times (I mean besides freaks like me). Orlando Bloom even beat out a lot of really popular actors (such as Heath Ledger and the like) for Best Breakthrough Male last year. So, at least we will have a teen market. Although it's not a very deep market, it's still spectators.<P>And has Harry Potter been up for any Golden Globes? Because they didn't mention anything about that in their ad. All the other movies mention "up for (fill in the blank) awards, including (fill in the blank)".<P>Actually: you know what might be a surprise and win out for a few categories instead of Lord of the Rings? Chicago, the Movie might because even I have to admit that it is really good (and I hate Richard Gere with a fiery passion) and I'm probably going to make a second or even a third appearance to see it in the theaters.<p>[ December 31, 2002: Message edited by: VanimaEdhel ]

[Nalana]

Were you watching the MTV movie awards this morning? I was lol. Just with the mentioning of that, had me assuming you did as well. But anyway, yeah, i didn't like that Haldir died... it was so sad, especially with him being hit, music that might come from Lothlorien, came on. and that just mad me more sad. But I still really loved that movie!

[Helkahothion]

Well afther a few drinks(12) I got over Haldir Dying. Plus point: They did not mess up that pretty face of his.<P>(Don't mind me, I get a chrush on every male Elf)<BR>Hmm sounds like a sig.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion<p>[ January 01, 2003: Message edited by: Helkahothion ]
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[Rose Cotton]

I think that the reason they killed Haldir was because they wanted you let you know that elves could die in battle too. Up untill then we've been told that elves are immortal. Some people might think that means they are invunerable. So killing Haldir is a way of letting them know.<P><BR>I just watched the movie for the second time. This time I had all the complaints and comments in the back of my head. I must say that even with all that I still thought it was fantastic. I personally don't think, after seeing it a second time, that Faramir's part was bad. I have already given possible reasons why the changes would have been made and here is yet another. You must remember that this is PJ's version of events. What I mean by that is he has his own view of what he feels is important in the stories. Therefore there must be some aspect of Faramir he wants to stress and exaturate in the movie. He's most likely trying to show us the Faramir who wants to please his father. This quote that was taken from the book is part of that:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ..a chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor to show his quality.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>I also must say that the begaining is absalutly brilliant! Starting with the mountains starts the movie off with a calm yet magnificint feeling. Then of course we go to the Balrog scene. This is a smart choice as it reminds the audience that Gandalf fell and shows a bit of what happened afterwards. <P>I'll be back to praise PJ some more later...

[Helkahothion]

My fair lady Rose,<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Up untill then we've been told that elves are immortal. Some people might think that means they are invunerable. So killing Haldir is a way of letting them know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What happend to Post-it's people?<BR>Or a little message at the end:<P>There where no Elephaunt's hurt in this movie and Elf's can really die.<P>(But I do think you have a good point with that)<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion
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[Ringfenwen]

glad 2 see i wasn't the only 1 to love TTT when i came online and saw the number of people dissing it I couldn't believe my eyes.<BR>I've only ever seen 1 movie which is th slightest rival to it, and that was fotr!<P>as 2 th comments of surprise at the select teenage fanbase, i don't know about th rest of th world, but here in wales th teenage fanbase is still alive and kicking. I'm 16, and have already seen TTT twice, with my parents, 18 year old brother, and an 18 yr old friend of my brothers. On monday i'm goin 2 see it for the 3rd time with a group of about five teenage mates. I also no for a fact that it's not just us wierdo teenagers that love the movie, a group of some of the most popular boys from my scool went 2 see TTT on it's openin night!(sensible ppl)<P>I LOVED TTT!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN I JOIN YOUR CLUB? <P>P.S.gollum was th best, the ents were fantastic(especially treebeard), shadowfax was stunnin, the wargs were great, legolas and gimli were perfect...AND ARAGORN RULED!!!

[Arwen Imladris]

Can I join? I have finally seen TTT and I love it. I am mad at the elves at helms deep and Aragorn "dying" and Faramir being mean, but everything else was great. I love gollum, the way that they showed his tourmoil so well. EW was great at portraying Frodo, Sam was a great help to Frodo. Treebeard was great. Grima was so disgusting he was perfect. I am relieved that Arwen wasn't at helms deep. TTT was great!

[Sapphire_Flame]

Count me in!!! One more member for ya! And yes, TTT totally kicked butt, I can't wait to see RotK in December! But that's so far away... *sobs* So, yeah, whatever, great movie, better even than Fellowship!

[Durelin]

Awesome! 31 members! Thanks, you guys ROCK! A website, message board of our own? Wow! Never thought of that, that would be the best but I'm fine with computers but not great. I have attempted a website only to fail horribly. Wait...my friend could help me! She's got her own website, I don't know how successful, but between the two of us we'll get something. I'll begin checking on stuff! Cool, didn't know I'd get this big a response, thankyou very much! If we're going this far I think we could do "club officers" or whatever would want to call them. What about that?

[Nalana]

Oh if you do have officers.. can I be secretary??? oh please oh please?? I was one of the first couple to join!! Oh I'd make a good secretary, too, yes i would. lmao <P>Edit: I was technically the 3rd to join. lol I'll just shut up now. lol<p>[ January 02, 2003: Message edited by: Nalana ]

[pherostien]

Count me in!<BR>It's BASED on the books. I wasn't sure when I was picture hunting. This is the best movie I have seen in a long time(since last year). I hope TTT pulls all awards its nominated for.

[Faye Took]

Sorry I'm late! Count me in! I loved the movie, even though it didn't fallow the books too well. Still LOVED it! Twas incredable.

[Durelin]

I was thinking of having the first people to join be the officers. Hmmmm...that might be best. Unless someone has objections and a better idea, of course. But, for now, I am President, Aragorn2002 is Vice-President (for being the first member), Nalana you can be secretary, and I don't think we'll need a treasurer (sorry). I guess we're a "non-profit organization". Right. Nalana- as secretary, you really don't need to keep track of too much, unless you want to. I'm not going to make a big deal out of this! The President and Vice really just control things and stuff. I'm not going to put too much thought into it. I've been working on things about a website, it may be a little while though. Maybe not little either. Sorry. <P>ALL MEMBERS- please correct me if I say anything wrong, or if you do not like my plans, anything I plan is not final, usually it is just "spurr of the moment" thinking. (If you follow me!)

[Nalana]

Yeah I understand what you mean Durelin. lol Whatever works, right? If you need any help, ideas, suggestions, you are sure welcome to ask me. well well... 4 pages in the thread.. not too shabby, i must say. lol

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

Hey sounds good to me, no complaints here!! If ya ever need any help with anything let me know!!!!!!!!!

[Nurumaiel]

I'm going to join this club because..... I LOVED THE MOVIE! <P>~Nurumaiel

[VanimaEdhel]

I think that they had Haldir die to let the <I>actors</I> know that Elves could die...some of the things the Cast said in the Cast Commentary of Fellowship just made me want to scream...Elijah said that Saruman invented Orcs (I cannot repeat any of the words I said to the TV screen upon hearing that)...<P>And can I be an officer of some sort in the club?

[Helkahothion]

Dear Vanima,<P>Wow that good Saruman. He is so intelligent and smart. I wish I invented Orc's so I could create an evile empire and.........<P>Hey wait a minute. Saruman did not invented the Orc's now didn't he?<P>Hmm I gotta think this over.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion
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[VanimaEdhel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Wow that good Saruman. He is so intelligent and smart. I wish I invented Orc's so I could create an evile empire and......... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And that was one of the less-frustrating things that the Cast said...

[Coral]

I am strongly opposed to anything more then a messageboard type thingy for this club. If we had a website, it would ruin the purpose of the club. On this messageboard we may be somewhat of a minority in loving the movie, but beyond this we are just 32 in thousands. Also, do we really want people who haven't read the books to join? They have an un-biased opinion, that is what makes our group more unique, we have been able to look past the changes and love the movie for what it is. One more thing, CRAZY FANGIRLS! Do we need them? Did my post make any sense?

[Nalana]

Coral, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering that since we had a 'club', did we want to add anything (such as a site, mb, whatever) to have more 'fun'(for lack of better term) in discussing a movie we all really enjoyed. So it really doesn't matter what we do, it won't break my heart either way. However, I completely understand what you're saying.

[Calenedheliel]

You can count me in!!! I love the movie and have seen it 7 times already. I am sick of people picking the movie apart bit by bit, I think they should consider themselves lucky to have a movie at all because it was a huge task and I don't think PJ did that bad a job.

[Coral]

I just say lets have some cheapo messageboard and discuss the movie on it. We could just advertise it on here, eh?<p>[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Coral ]

[Nalana]

A Cheapo message board is fine with me. I didn't hope or really expect anyone to go all out for this, unless they really want to.

[Coral]

Durelin sent me a PM about it, it seemed she was going for a big website. We'll just have to wait for her to explain herself

[Nalana]

Okay. Thanks for telling us Coral. Well now... what would everyone's favorite scene(s) in the Two Towers be?

[Coral]

O.O Gollum's fish song in the forbidden pool! It's just so...beautiful *wipes away tear*

[Nalana]

*wipes away a few tears* oh yes... very emotional...*sniffles* I really did enjoy his performance. at times i forgot that he was digitally put there. and i really appreciated the two diff. camera angles to distinguish between the "two". lol<P>Oh yes, I really liked Helm's Deep. <BR>"toss me" i laughed so hard. and when gimli was jumping up and down "couldn't you have picked a better spot?" it was so funny with how he was jumping. there were so many things I enjoyed about the movie as a whole though.

[hollyann]

COUNT ME IN!!! This is a great thread. I am so sick and tired of all "the purists" *****es ragging on these films. I think they like to ***** and moan and quote the books because they really want to prove to everyone that THEY know more about LOTR than anyone else. Too bad...no one knows more about LOTR than Peter Jackson and they are all just ****ed off that they can't be a part of movie making history. Peter Jackson is a genius and I thank God that someone like Spielberg didn't get his hands on it. Just watch the special edition DVD interviews with PJ talking about the film...he is so in love and proud of this project and would never do anything to jeopardize the stories. This is a amazingly difficult project to translate to the screen and I don't think anyone else could have done it. PJ was born to create these fantastic films. I love the books AND I love the movies...can I please be the president of this club???

[Helkahothion]

Dear Coral,<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also, do we really want people who haven't read the books to join? They have an un-biased opinion, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hm correct me if I'm wrong sweety, but isn't this a club for people that liked the MOVIE?<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion
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[alkquareiel02]

I loved the TTT i thought it was excellent so much so i have seen it twice and gonna go and see it again! I know it isn't the same as the book but all the same it is a wicked movie I luv it i luv the first one too!!

[alkquareiel02]

sorry forgot to ask lol but can i join this club??

[Coral]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hm correct me if I'm wrong sweety, but isn't this a club for people that liked the MOVIE?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh god, sorry...that was a spur of the moment thing. I was trying to make some point but I'm not sure what is was...Just forget that sentence...

[Durelin]

Cool! 4 pages and 37 members! Well, I looked at message boards and domain stuff and I found that it was going to take a while if I want to avoid having to pay, which I definetly want to do. I am not shooting for a big site, I would like to but I don't have the time or money. For now this club can talk here and in an AOL group I made last night. That's the best I can do for now. Thankyou for being willing to help, I will definetly take advantage of that! Also, anyone can join and people, you don't have to ask! I want to get as many people as I can together who loved the movie, I'm not going to be doing background checks or something. Well, thankyou members for joining and being understanding. Go here: <A HREF="http://groups.aol.com/tttmovielovers" TARGET=_blank>http://groups.aol.com/tttmovielovers</A> <P>I had an insight about Haldir dying. I just saw the movie and was interested by how Haldir looks around at the dead around him with a strange expression on his face. It kind of looked like he was thinking "So this is what it's like to die." Since Elves are immortal and there hasn't been a war in some 3000 years (according to Elrond) so there culture does not deal with the fact of death, they are never taught anything about it because they will most likely never have that experience. Anyway, just a thought.<P>This sucks, I can't use smilies or instant UBB code. I think it's my computer or Internet provider. I can do it manually but it is so much more hassle!<p>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[Durelin]

Wait a minute...I don't know if non-AOL members can join AOL groups. Can they? (Sorry, I'm okay with computers, but I need a lot of help sometimes)

[Nalana]

Hey Durelin, it's alright. You're doing a good job! I'm only in AIM, not aol, but I could get in and join the club. But any members not in aol at all, can't join. But i don't know who isn't in aol. *ahem* anyway, good point with Haldir, though. It was so sad seeing him die. For some reason when Aragorn told Haldir to pull back or whatever, i got a sense that something bad was going to happen to Haldir. did anyone else get that feeling?

[Durelin]

You see um the thing is um that I had my friend create it and I am on Erols, though I want AOL. Sorry. I've got the free startup disk for 45 days though, I'll have to use it. I've wanted AOL for a while. Got to talk to me dad. Not good. Oh well, carry on without me for now, I'll be there real soon...I hope...

[Nalana]

Awe... well we'll all miss you there, but we can still talk to you on here.

[Durelin]

Oh, I'll get there soon! I'm going to keep bugging my dad!

[Nalana]

Go Durelin. Now we just hope he doesn't get tired of you bugging him, right? lol <P>Well I don't want to get off topic or anything, so what character's performance did you like? I really liked Gollum simply for the fact that it was digitally done and it seemed like it wasn't. Legolas for that his character became more developed. Like he really started to open up more for being around Aragorn and Gimli longer. Gimli for that he gave good comic relief, yet he still was serious and still a good warrior (ex: after being 'tossed' by Aragorn. Did you see him? he was kicking butt!) <P>there were more characters that I did enjoy. Sam that he really did protect frodo and frodo helped protect sam as well. I did like Pippin. You could tell that he made a lot of progress from being somewhat of an insecure hobbit, to a stronger one.

[alkquareiel02]

Coral i hate to say this but i do like the movie why else would i ask to join this club?? I like them both and why would i want to see it for the third time if i didn't like it? coz i do.

[Durelin]

Coral didn't say anything to you, atleast not on the thread, she was just sharing some thoughts about the idea of a website/forum. I didn't see anything directed toward you alkquareiel

[Durelin]

I forgot, I found I was wrong in the member count, we have 39 members! I now have an official updated list. I'm working on a small site, thankyou for your patience! <P>TO EVERYONE WHO CARES: You don't have to ask to join the club, just say you loved the movie and want to join, you can give an explanation of what you loved best, or why you loved it, but it is definitely not required. Thankyou everyone!

[alkquareiel02]

ok Duralin it just looked that way so i'm not that bothered just thought it was aimed at me. No probs k

[alkquareiel02]

Sorry Durelin spelt ur name wrong lol

[DarkElf35]

Well, I'm in!! How could I NOT be, it rocked!! I'm seeing it again!!

[DarkElf35]

ps: who likes my leggy pic!?

[Nalana]

Hey DarkElf, welcome to the club. and I like your legolas pic very much

[Davin]

Who's this Legolas you speak of??? (j/k)<P>Count me in..TTT rocked!!!!!

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

lol, cool pic Dark Elf!!! Welcome!

[Durelin]

Cool! Two more members! Welcome! Um...I know I've been gone a while, it's cause of school! I just finished a "rough draft" of my research paper on hobbits a few days ago, then I was sick, on Orli's birthday, and I still aren't caught up in math! Argh! Anyway, Happy belated Birthday to Orlando Bloom! 26 years old! Okay, website...um...I'm trying! Well, will people come if there is a website? I know some will but if only like 5 people do it's going to get boring. But I also want to make an officer change, but I'm not sure how...it's just that Aragorn2002 hasn't shown up since the first day...oh well...

[Nalana]

I know what you mean Durelin. I have had finals out the wazoo last week, and i'm now in a new semester, which will allow me to come back and post here. yay. Well I saw the movie again for the 3rd time, on Sunday.. oh no! only 3?!?! i better pick it up!! J/K!!! haha

[mollecon]

OK movie-lovers, how many times have <I>you</I> seen it now? I'm going for the fifth time tomorrow.

[HCIsland]

Just putting my vote in here that I love the movie, not as much as Fellowship, but I've still seen it twice and definitely will be seeing it a third time. I've never been like this with any other film and I was 13 years old when the first Star Wars came out. It never grabbed me as much as this has.<P>I also want to make it official that I've read the books a long time ago (Hobbit, LoTR, Silmarilian, Unfinished Tales and Lost Tales) and reread them. I fully understand all the changes and they do not bother me. I see the novel and the movies as completely different animals. I understand the changes as being necessary for a very different medium and the need to reach a broader audience (studios don't give 100's of millions to someone to make a film that marketed to a small clic - sorry, but that's reality).<P>I encourage all those that love the films to explore the world deeper by reading the books, but if that isn't your cup of tea, that's fine. The films can certainly appeciated on their own.<P>The reason I'm getting this all out is that I'm a little tired of posting in all the "PJ butchered the book" threads. I'm tired of the arguements. If you want to hate the film fine, that's your right and post to your heart's content, but I do find it curious how even the people that complain so much about it have seen it multiple times and will, by their own admission, be buying the DVD's. I just want to make my position clear, I love Tolkien and I love the films. They are not mutually exclusive.<P>H.C.

[Dimannûnien]

I don't go to films more than once, and I don't usually buy videos or dvds. All I will say is i've watched the EEDVD of FOTR twice in three days this week, bought three books and been to TTT for the second time. I'm also rereading LOTR, having originally read it some twenty years ago. Plus I've now got Tolkien sites in my favourites folder.<P>I love it all

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

I've seen the movie 5 times so far!!! And I can't wait to see it again!!

[Juliette]

If I stick around, I will most certainly join the club!<BR>I just joined the Barrow-Downs. I was attracted by the opportunity to discuss the books in depth in The Books forum. However, every single thread seems to contain people complaining about the movie. I am disappointed that rather than simply saying "I prefer to discuss the books than the movie" everyone sems intent on saying "such-and-such a change was completely wrong." I don't think the changes were bad decisions. I was thrown by Faramir at first but I thought the Osgiliath sequence was very effective and have grown to like it very much. I love the movies and the atmosphere here, even on a forum supposedly dedicated to the books only, is overwhelmingly negative.<BR>Has ayone read and een Bridget Jones's Diary? Te book and the movie actually have different plots and the second half of the movie is urecognisible. But its a great book and a great movie. PJ said he was going to bring his personal vision of LOTR to screen. There is no definitive way it should be adapted and there never will be.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I love Tolkien and I love the films. They are not mutually exclusive. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ditto

[HCIsland]

Ahh ...<P>Went to see Two Towers with the kids for the third, and likely last time until the DVD comes out. It's nice after battling here and then just going to see the film and enjoying it for it's own sake. Refreshing.<P>On a semi-related movie topic. My wife left last week for New Zealand to visit her best friend whom she hasn't seen in years. She is pumped about a lot of things, not the least of which is visiting the Hobbiton set and the location where they shot the Mordor (Gorgoroth) scenes. There are no sets there of course, but apparently it's a volcanic plane that's a touristy place anyway. Sounds pretty cool.<P>H.C.

[Jesse]

Count me in on this! I loved TTT. It kicked butt. I'll be a proud member of this club.

[Durelin]

It's been a while since this thread was posted on, but wow! There's a lot more members than I thought! I think the website has died. Well, the thread kinda has too so, oh well, I think this is kinda the end...*sniff* <P>Well, I've seen it five and I think I'm done. Well, I'll let everyone know if things ever miraculously look better!

[maikafanawen]

I don't know if this is of any significance, but I definitely loved the movie. <P><B>FOTR</B><BR>Firsts:<BR>All the hobbits, especially the dancing at Bilbo's Birthday party<BR>Seconds:<BR>Legolas and Gandalf at the Bridge of Khazad Dum scene.<P><B>TTT</B><BR>Firsts:<BR>I loved everything having to do with Smeagol in the movie!!!<BR>Seconds:<BR>Legolas&Haldir (can't choose just one)<BR>and The Elves Arriving at Helm's Deep<P>TTT rocked and I saw it 5 or 6 times! FOTR, however, got up to about 12 or 13 times, (but I never paid for my tickett ... hee hee hee) If I can get people to take me I'd LOVE to see TTT <P><I>Namarie noldonyar</I>,<BR>Maikafanawen

[Grimbold]

The Two Towers - Favourites (in no order)<BR>1. Legolas swinging himself onto the back of Gimli's horse<BR>2. The pounding of the Uruk-hai being heard from the Glittering Caves<BR>3. The opening with the sounds of the flight through Moria and the sweeping views of the vast mountains<BR>4. The soundtrack<BR>5. The very beginning (so much anticipation paying off) and throughout of course<BR>6. Blowing up the Deeping Wall<BR>7. Legolas takes the first shot in the battle on the plains of Rohan<BR>8. King Theoden the Nasty transforms into King Theoden the Looking-Much-Better<BR>9. Gandalf forces Saruman out of Theoden's body<BR>10. The arrival at Edoras<BR>11. The ghosts of the Dead Marshes<BR>12. Gimli blows the horn in the Hornburg tower<BR>13. The elderly archer fires early, and the Uruks get mighty ticked off<BR>14. The fact that in the final battle, there are thousands of warriors going at each other head-on trying to rip each other apart (it's a guy thing, or perhaps a me thing)<BR>15. The barrage of projectiles coming down on the West side of Osgiliath, shattering a stone tower<BR>16. The attack of Faramir's men on the Haradrim<P>I really just like naming off all the cool stuff. Sorry to put you through all that! By the way, I want to take up archery!

[Durelin]

The thread isn't dead! (ooo...it rhymes!)<P>Anyway, I liked blood-thirsty Legolas when he slits that first warg rider's throat. I kinda find it funny. <P>Now that I've seen it 5 times, and all but once with my friends, we have tons of inside jokes we've created. You know, things we whispered to each other in the theater. Some of them are quite interesting for lack of a better term.

[Balin999]

I saw TTT two times (until now), and FotR I think about 5 times.<BR>I wasn't really sure whether I liked the movies or not, but after seeing the extended version DVD and the bonus material it contained, I really am convinced that P.J. and his great team only want the best for us Tolkien fans <BR>I think that they have put a really high effort in the movies, and I think they did a great job, although I don't understand the necessarity of some changes in the plot.<BR>But I wouldn't say that I LOVE the movie. ANd why should I join a "movie-lovers-club"? I mean, it's ok if you want to support the moive, but what changes do you expect? There will always be people who like the movies and people who don't. And everybody has the right to say what he wants about it. Well, that's my point. <BR>Greetings, Balin.

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

Yea the thread is not dead! We still rock, filling up page 5!!!!!

[Nevcairion_of_Rivendell]

count me in i'll support this club 105%<P><BR>"Fool of a Took throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity"-Gandalf from FotR

[MerenwenElf]

I'm in! I love the movies!!!

[Gorwingel]

I was going to go see it this Friday but I was sick, I have to see it again though, for the 5th time. I am going for at least 7, the same amount of times I saw FOTR. Can't wait for the ROTK preview though, I hope they don't wait until after the Oscars to put it out. (When the preview comes out, everyone go to it, the TTT one was really great, and the ROTK one should be good too)<BR>I am still a major supporter of this club, TTT was a very good movie

[Arvedui III]

Count me in.

[Naldoriathil]

I too, am rather fond of the movies and wouldn't mind at all about joining the club. Do we get free members gifts?!

[Durelin]

YES! A kiss from Orli!

[Firondoiel]

Count me in your club!!!!!!!! I love the books but hey, can't I love the movies too? I'm sick of all the fans sitting around fussing about how bad PJ is and how he shouldn't have made all those changes. Look at it this way, if it weren't for Peter Jackson we would have NO movies and we could have had a director that would have settled for making only ONE film instead of three!!! I may not agree with some of his changes but I'm VERY grateful to him!!! <P>DarkELf35, What do ya think of my Legolas picture??? Your's is cool!!!<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Firondoiel ]