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Arwen Imladris

03-18-2003, 02:45 PM

In the most recent issue of the LOTR Fan Club Official Movie Magazine (Issue #7, Feb-March, 2003), there is an interview with Peter Jackson. He reveals an interested tidbit on the possible ending for ROTK! In it he is asked from Steve Stone of Markham, Illinois:*highlight to see spoilers!*By now we all know that the "Scouring of the Shire" won't be in the films due to the fact that there can't be a second, lesser climax in the story after the larger events that take place. But please tell us if you are going to use the "Sailing away from Middle-Earth" ending, which would age the characters a year or two from their final battles in the films and provide a more fitting farewell to such well-loved characters?The answer is "yes." Also in the most recent issue of the LOTR Fan Club Official Movie Magazine (Issue #7, Feb-March, 2003), there is an interview with Daniel Reeve, a calligrapher for the movies. When asked about how he went about creating Bilbo's journal, he talks a bit about training Ian Holm to do his "Concerning Hobbits" bit at the beginning of the FOTR extended DVD. He goes on to say,"..., I had to train Elijah to write with his quill, too, and do his little bit in the journal."Does this give us a little insight as to what events might appear at the end of ROTK? That is it for now!

HCIsland

03-18-2003, 04:40 PM

Thanks Arwen. That's a cool idea how you posted the spoilers.H.C.

Arwen Evenstar the Fair

03-18-2003, 06:35 PM

it didn't work for me

HCIsland

03-18-2003, 08:22 PM

Just select over the black area. The text is there.H.C.

Iarwain

03-18-2003, 08:26 PM

Thanks for the spoilers, Arwen! It's good to know that the Havens will be included. Iarwain

Rochelle

03-18-2003, 08:33 PM

I think those Deagol/Smeagol pictures are part of the extended TTT dvd. If you watch closely Gollum has a kinda "flashback" moment look in his eyes when Frodo mentions that his name was once Smeagol...I think that may be where a certain story plays out...I guess we'll see in November!

Birdland

03-19-2003, 12:30 AM

Arwyn - Totally off topic, but what is the code for the totally cool "secret writing" effect you used to conceal the spoiler?Oh, and I'm with the rest of you - the story of Smeagol/Deagol will be inserted in the Dead Marshes scene in the E.E. T.T.

Annunfuiniel

03-19-2003, 02:33 AM

<A HREF="http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Fantasy/The_Lord_of_the_Rings/LOTR_The_Return_of_the_King&img=" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> should be some more Gollum/Smeagol pics (and Aragorn in his "bright and shining armor"! ).[ March 19, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

HCIsland

03-19-2003, 08:36 AM

Last night my wife and kids got to meet Billy Boyd as he was in our home town. They had a blast, but there was one little tidbit he threw out.My wife mentioned what an excellent job Sean Bean did with Boromir and Billy said, then you are really going to enjoy the extended Two Towers DVD which has a Boromir scene.He wouldn't elaberate, but our guess is there may be a Faramir flashback to when Denethor decided to send Boromir to Rivendell instead of Faramir. This actually makes sense because it would set up very nicely the relationship between these three characters for RoTK where there are some very powerful Faramir-Denethor scenes.Either way, it sounds pretty cool. More Faramir, more Merry, Pippin and Treebeard. I like it already.H.C.

Dark Shadow

03-19-2003, 11:46 AM

You wouldn't happen to know anything about Prince Imrahil anyone? Just wondering you know...Oh, and I'm glad to hear about another Boromir scene. I'll enjoy that. Personally, I thing they should have killed him at the begining of TTT, like in the books, so it'll be good to actually see Boromir in TTT.

Mornie Alantie

03-19-2003, 11:54 AM

You want to see more? C'mon Beg.................Ok that may just be good enough............................................ .................................................. ..Click <A HREF="http://www.ninecompanions.net/galleries/rotkgalleries/allpics_gallery_p1.html" TARGET=_blank>Here</A>Very Cool.

Mornie Alantie

03-19-2003, 12:08 PM

Lets see if these pics turn up. If these dont work Ill post the linkOne is a picture of a man holding the horn of Gondor split in half(Most likely Faramir) and the other is A dead Oliphaunt.

Mornie Alantie

03-19-2003, 12:13 PM

If you go to URL=http://http://www.ninecompanions.net/galleries/tttgalleries/other_gallery_p2.html]This[/URL] Page there is a picture of a man holding the horn of Gondor split in half (Most likely Faramir) And a bunch of other cool pics.Make sure you look at all 4 pages!!!! Its really cool!

Arwen Evenstar the Fair

03-19-2003, 12:29 PM

Very Cool!!! Thanks!

HCIsland

03-19-2003, 12:36 PM

1. Can anyone identify these soldiers? I think the one in the forground is enjoying a smoke break.2. Who's this guy? Imrahil? If it is, it doesn't mean he has any lines. Afterall, Gil-galad is definately identifiable in the prologue. Imrahil may get the same treatment. 3. Finally, this picture has made my day. H.C.

Mornie Alantie

03-19-2003, 12:39 PM

Sorry let me repost that.<A HREF="http://www.ninecompanions.net/galleries/tttgalleries/other_gallery_p2.html" TARGET=_blank>web page</A>

Mornie Alantie

03-19-2003, 12:42 PM

The first ones are just Rohan Soldiers, nothing special as far as I know.Second one is wearing Gondorian armor, So I would assume that it is a general of the Gondorian soldiers, Imrahil would have a different type of Armor most likely than the Gondorian armor.Third if your wondering, Merry and Pippin at the guardhouse in Isenguard. For you folks who did not read the books, they find a lot of "man food" as treebeard calls it.

Arwen Imladris

03-22-2003, 04:23 PM

Birdland: To change the color of your text: Hi there Birdland! Exept without spaces between the < and F or < and /. I had to do that so that they would show up!To make it "secret writing" type in black for the color.

HCIsland

03-23-2003, 12:17 PM

These are from <A HREF="http://www.dailydigest.net/tttdeletedscenes.html" TARGET=_blank>here.</A>I hope these pictures come out and I apologize for them being small. I couldn't find larger ones. This is the text that was with the pictures at the site. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The sewers of Osgiliath: The way the movie's cut now, Sam and Frodo go straight from Faramir releasing them to Gollum leading them through the woods. But a number of stills of "the Osgiliath sewers" were released, showing how Faramir helps them escape undetected. In fact, there's even a Topps card called "In the Osgiliath Sewers." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Since this seems to be most logically after they leave Osgiliath, I'm wondering if this will be an opportunity to get more of the Faramir we are used to from the books. I can see something like Faramir explaining how he was bring the Ring for his father and how he himself "not if I found it on the highway, would I take it." It may be a good opportunity for Sam's line, "you showed your quality: the very highest".It may help to heal over some of the wounds Faramir fans have suffered in much the same way as the gift giving in the FoTR Special Edition gave a Galadriel we were more familiar with.

Aratlithiel

03-23-2003, 12:40 PM

Oh, H.C. I DO love you! You always make me feel so much better about these movies! I wish you had a mailing list I could join - you always seem to have the scoop. Ext. DVD release is November, right?

Eruwen

03-23-2003, 01:14 PM

I just found 2 more pictures from Ringzone.netThey look to be ROTK, but I'm not sure what scene they are from. The first, of Frodo and Sam looks strange because instead of Frodo looking mad and Sam having his "sad face" towards Frodo, it's vice versa. The only thing the picture link said was "frodosam_final". Does that mean it will be the end of ROTK? This second one really throws me though. Does anyone have any ideas at what this may be from? The site said it was one of the most recent pictures to come out. EDIT: sorry, that second picture was way too big. [ March 23, 2003: Message edited by: Eruwen ]

HCIsland

03-23-2003, 01:27 PM

That scene is promanently featured on the TTT preview that is packaged with the Special Edition FoTR. I have never been able to figure it out.It's pretty though.Editted to add:Here's another pic from the same sight. Sorry for the size. This looks like Treebeard's home with entdraught running into a basin. What make me laugh is the figure in the forground, center right which looks like a headless Merry.H.C.[ March 23, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Firondoiel

03-23-2003, 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The first, of Frodo and Sam looks strange because instead of Frodo looking mad and Sam having his "sad face" towards Frodo, it's vice versa. The only thing the picture link said was "frodosam_final". Does that mean it will be the end of ROTK?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's a TTT poster. You can see it at <A HREF="http://shop.newline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=12003;category_id=2472;pcid 1=;pcid2=" TARGET=_blank>http://shop.newline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=12003;category_id=2472;pcid 1=;pcid2=</A>

HCIsland

03-23-2003, 07:46 PM

This is one I just noticed. I was watching the second trailer that is packaged with the theatrical FoTR DVD. Towards the begining, there is a voice-over of Gandalf talking about Sauron as he is reaching into the hearth to pick up the wings with tongs. There is a quick flash of a series of shots featuring Sauron. You'll have to frame advance through them, but there is one of Sauron about to clobber a soldier with his mace with the eye banner behind him. It doesn't look like this shot is from the prologue and so lends support to the idea that Sauron is going to appear in physical form and kick some butt.H.C.

Arwen Imladris

03-25-2003, 03:40 PM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1048554648" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is a list of comments and reports from people who've seen or heard things in interviews and so on, which give a lot of clues to what will most likely be shown in the end of the ROTK.

Brinniel

03-25-2003, 04:59 PM

Liv singing? CAN she sing? Well, that certainly would be interesting...

balrogman

03-29-2003, 12:54 AM

<A HREF="http://www.kojiroabe.com/rotk/" TARGET=_blank>Warning: Big Time Spoiler Alert!</A>There is tons of pics there, my fav being the last one!

Meela

03-29-2003, 10:24 AM

Liv can probably sing. She's one of those people who turn out to be able to do anything (except speak Elvish )the magazine articles may start soon for Rotk. Anyone who reads Empire magazine: May issue has two free posters: Gollum and Aragorn.[ March 29, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ]

Niluial

04-02-2003, 01:26 PM

Yea Spoilers! I love them. Thanks for the spiolers they rock! Oh and I am sure Liv can sing. I met her once ... not joking I really did![ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: Niluial ]

Meela

04-09-2003, 08:37 AM

Whoo! More spoilers! <A HREF="http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_rotk.cfm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_rotk.cfm</A> Apologies if you already know about this. I found this lengthy list of changes from book to movie, and thought you might wanna have a read. Some of them *coughArwencough* are outrageous liberties, in my opinion. Unless they really are in the book... *prays they aren't* (I can't remember the book version for the one I'm thinking of)

HCIsland

04-09-2003, 10:42 AM

This is a neat site, though I've seen it before. I just want to point out the credibility ratings they have there to everyone. Many of the sillier changes have credibilities of 0/5, 1/5 and 2/5, so take them with a grain of salt.H.C.

Arwen Imladris

04-14-2003, 07:14 PM

From theonering.net:*highlight to see* <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Today at the Armageddon Expo in Auckland Lawrence Makoare jumped up on stage for a bit of an impromptu chat during the Weta/Sideshow discussion panel.Not sure if you already knew, but he mentioned that he and Miranda Otto were returning in May to reshoot the entire Witch King sequence, as apparently PJ decided his armor looked altogether too similar to Sauron's. Lawrence didn't mention the inclusion of Merry here, but HOPEFULLY this was just an oversight on his part...eek!He also revealed he has a very strong hunch that PJ will make The Hobbit, and the guy from Weta expressed extreme glee at the prospect of designing a dragon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That is all for now!

Beruthiel

04-14-2003, 07:43 PM

Ooh wouldn't that be great if PJ made The Hobbit! Thanks for the spoilers everyone!

HCIsland

04-24-2003, 09:24 AM

Found this at OneRing.<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1051164050" TARGET=_blank>Eowyn pleads with Aragorn</A>Their guess that this is in reference to the Paths of the Dead makes the most sense to me.H.C.

Rindoien, elf of Lothlorien

05-01-2003, 06:34 AM

I especially like the 'Gollum with his Precious' one.

The Only Real Estel

05-01-2003, 12:55 PM

Nice pics, I'll have to copy them to my collection of pics on my computer. Although like HCIsland said, don't count to much on seeing them. I'd guess Wormtounge slitting Saruman's throat at Isengard means no Scouring of the Shire. I figured as much...oh well, lots of Tolkien fans thought it was out of place anyway.

HCIsland

05-01-2003, 05:59 PM

At Ain't It Cool News there are a series of articles written a couple of years ago but still have relevance to RotK. Here's the <A HREF="http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=7779" TARGET=_blank>link</A> to the last article. Scroll down to the bottom for links to the others. Some of it is old news, but some of it is pretty neat.Since there's a lot there, here's a <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/hcisland/email.htm" TARGET=_blank>link</A> to a collection of some of the highlights.Like I said, lot's of neat stuff but something I found interesting was the apparent move of Aragorn looking into the palantir from Helm's Deep to Minas Tirith. At first this seems strange but it makes sense. After Pippin looks into the palantir, Gandalf keeps it and we don't see much of it for a while. The story then turns into saving Minas Tirith and all the events involving Aragorn, Gandalf and company are driven by this simple premise. After the battle of Pelenor Fields Aragorn suggests using the palantir to lure Sauron into thinking Aragorn has the Ring and is coming to get him (remember the last place Sauron had a sure sighting of the Ring was in Osgiliath and he has to assume the Ring is on it's way to Minas Tirith). This now connects cause (Aragorn challenging Sauron in through the palantir) very closely with effect (battle at the Black Gates). Much more so than if Aragorn looked into the palantir towards the beginning of the film. I think it also underscores for the audience the risk that Aragorn is taking as they have just seen what happened to Denethor (and Saruman for that matter) because of their use of the palantir.Anyway, lots of other stuff there. Read away.H.C.

Arwen Imladris

05-08-2003, 02:18 PM

The Coming Soon website has a quote from Ian McKellen that may or may not give away some major spoilers concerning Saruman's role in The Return of the King. Warning: Spoilers! Highlight text below to read:"Someone then said they enjoyed the fight scene with Saruman in the first film, and asked if we would see something similar in the third film, Return of the King. Sir Ian replied in the negative, saying that originally Saruman was to have died at the end of the second film but that this would now be the introduction to the third film. 'He falls from a great height and comes to a sticky end', he revealed, before going on to say 'Peter Jackson is a huge horror film fan. That's why he cast Christopher Lee - who better to play Saruman than the biggest horror villain? Knowing that and Peter's great love for horror movies, it's inconceivable that Dracula wouldn't play some part in Saruman's death'."Hmmm...confirmation of the Spikey Wheel after all? and The following is from bikkit.com and should be classified as a RUMOR only. (ROTK) is indeed, far and way better than both Fellowship and Two Towers. It was a 4 hour, 20 minute cut of the film. Feeling that he has proven audiences will gladly sit for 3 hours of quality cinema, Peter Jackson will try to leave the film's 1/6 of a day total time as is.

Firondoiel

05-09-2003, 01:21 PM

TheOneRing.net posted<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1052497889" TARGET=_blank>this</A> today. Warning! It's spoilers.They also posted this. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Here is a report that comes from VERY reliable sources within the LOTR camp. In regards to this story we posted yesterday (which wasn't even our story, it came from another site). Take a look at what our insider has to say:This is nonsense. They are still cutting the movie and do not know how long it will be, but it definitely won't be 4hrs & 20 minutes, nor should it be.That knocks that rumor out the window, down the street and into someone's pot of flowers! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It was a nice rumor while it lasted!

Gorwingel

05-09-2003, 08:57 PM

These are some BIG Spoilers that were just posted on TheOneRing.netThe first one is from who they say is a very reliable source and is about the way Saurman goes bye-bye (Do not read if you want to be completely surprised about this part during the movie)Here is the link... <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1052497889" TARGET=_blank>TheOneRing.net</A>And here is a brand spanking new picture of Frodo in Shelob's lair. It does not give us very much and there is not a picture of the Spideress herself but poor Frodo looks very scared <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6543" TARGET=_blank>Frodo in Shelob's lair</A>

Rose Cotton

05-10-2003, 07:00 PM

From theonering.net:BEWARE! SPOILERS IN THIS POST!! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I have a friend who told me about Return of the King, first thing, Sauron will be standing off against Aragorn in hand to hand combat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> BAD MOVE!!!!!!! I do not like this idea at all. Cause eather Sauron gets his body back or Aragorn will be dueling a giant eyeball.However, I don't think this rumor is true. This is why: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> then Aragorn with Anduril in hand rushes the Dark Lord who looked like he was in different armor than when we saw him in the prologue <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ decided his (Witch King) armor looked altogether too similar to Sauron's <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think that proved my point. Though this might be a cool way for Wormtounge to go: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> then Legolas shoots an arrow high into the air and is laughed at by Grima as it soars over his head, as Grima is mocking the seemingly inaccurate Legolas the arrow comes spiraling down straight through Grima's skull! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> At least it's one for the Legolas fans. [ May 10, 2003: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ]

HCIsland

05-11-2003, 09:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> BAD MOVE!!!!!!! I do not like this idea at all. Cause eather Sauron gets his body back or Aragorn will be dueling a giant eyeball.However, I don't think this rumor is true. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh, I think it's very true. Saruman gets killed early in the film. He has basically been the vilian for the first two films. The film cannot have a vilian that is nothing more than a flaming eye ball, likely meaning that Sauron will take physical form early in the movie.I think having Aragorn face Sauron is a great idea (yes I know full well nothing like this happened in the book). The main reason is that it adds another source of tension for the climax of the film.Think about how this will work.Frodo and Sam are approaching the Cracks of Doom. The audience knows full well that one way or another, that Ring will find it's way into the fire, though they aren't so sure how Gollum will fit into all this (though of course book readers know).Back at the Black Gates, Sauron emerges and and Aragorn is stepping up to fight him. The book audience thrown for a loop (and PJ has big grin on his face). Aragorn can't beat Sauron? Sauron can't kill Aragorn? What's up? The reason Aragorn is doing this of course, is that he is sacrificing himself to distract Sauron and given the Ring Bearer more time who, as far as Aragorn knows, may be dead let alone anywhere near Mount Doom. By this point in the film he would be recognized by all as the mightest leader of men. The last in the line of Isildur. Likely he will have accepted Arwen's pledge to him. He has everything anyone could possible dream of, and then some, but he is first in line to step into the fire. This theme of sacrifice to promote an almost impossible hope has been prevalent.Cut back to Mount Doom. Confrontation with between Sam and Gollum on the slopes. Frodo goes ahead.Cut back to Aragorn getting royally trounced. It's clear that any moment he will be killed.Cut back to Sam joining Frodo at the Cracks of Doom. Frodo: "I'm sorry Sam. I can't do it." He puts the Ring on. Audience is now on the edge of their seats. PJ has them now. Their enthralled and no longer trying to guess how this will play out. Their just watching the movie.Enter Gollum. As in the book he rushes past Sam and wrestles with the invisible Frodo.Cut to Sauron about to deliver the death blow to Aragorn.Cut to Gollum chomping down on Frodo's finger and falling into the fire.Sauron does his disappearing act.Obviously I'm just guessing at how this will play out, but I think Aragorn fighting Sauron is an idea that folks better get used to if they want to watch this film next fall.H.C.

Meela

05-11-2003, 09:41 AM

That is so unbelievely tacky. Why Aragorn? He's already gonna be king. Can't Gandalf fight Sauron, if someone has to fight him at all?Um... how did Sauron go in the books? Was he doing anything like that at the time? Or was he casually sipping a cup of tea, when poof! he found himself dead?[ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ]

Arwen Imladris

05-11-2003, 03:54 PM

There is still hope! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This is nonsense. They are still cutting the movie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Meela, I don't think that it really says. He was probebly plotting his success and what he was going to do with the men who were attacking him, giving orders to the nazgul. Anybody else know?

Rose Cotton

05-11-2003, 04:39 PM

Didn't you see my evidence? The reason people thought that Sauron was coming back was because they saw pictures of what looked like Sauron in different armor. However, the quote that Arwen gave us shows that those pictures were really the Witch King. Case closed.

Gorothlammothiel

05-11-2003, 05:46 PM

Rose, I do believe what may have been a mistake to have the potential for some truth.In an Empire magazine interview, Peter Jackson is asked about Sauron taking physical form in RotK and replies... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"The Sauron in the books is sketchy at best, which makes it hard to turn him into a screen villain, but imagine not really seeing Darth Vader for all three Star Wars films. You just can't do it."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps we are to see some of Sauron in physical form after all? Though whether he will be fighting Aragorn i'm not so sure on. (Though HCIsland, you write a very convincing ending there).

Rose Cotton

05-12-2003, 05:02 AM

Alright then. Well maybe Sauron takes bodily form but only through the Mouth of Sauron. I mean if PJ just expanded the Mouth of Sauron's part and perhaps the Witch King's part too they could be major villians in the last movie like Saruman was in the first two.But that's just a thought.

Meela

05-12-2003, 11:40 AM

Its a good thought!

HCIsland

05-12-2003, 05:22 PM

I'll say it again. I find it really hard to picture this film running most of its length without a central, personified villain.H.C.[ May 12, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Arwen Imladris

05-12-2003, 07:21 PM

Possibly a spoiler, but again, might not be true. I managed to find some very interesting Return of the King spoilers info from a source very close to the film. Mainly, it regards the seige of Gondor, and events closely related to it.When Denethor is on the pyre, burning, we see a closeup of the palantir that he grasps, and in it, we see a flash-ahead to the destruction of Barad-Dur, and the Nazgul falling in flames. Gandalf is there, as well as Pippin.Gandalf says to Pippin, "Sauron could not conquer him like Saruman, but he concealed the true hope, and so Denethor was deceived." In response, Pippin says, "None of us are safe then." Gandalf's response is "We cannot be truly safe while Sauron rules."Shortly after this, Beregond comes in, and sees Denethor's body. He simply says, "Such a waste of one so strong against the East." There are also some <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/785" TARGET=_blank>Pics</A>of the Grey Havens!!!

Meela

05-13-2003, 10:59 AM

*huggle-attacks Arwen*Denethor spoilers!! Thank you thank you thank you!!

The Only Real Estel

05-13-2003, 08:11 PM

I don't care if it would 'make sense' to have Saroun fight Aragorn at the end, if PJ does it, lots of people will be unhappy. I'm hoping desperatly that it is just the Witch-King ( Will this mean that Aragorn kills the Witch-King, & not Eowyn at all? ).

HCIsland

05-14-2003, 06:12 PM

I really don't understand how Aragorn fighting the Witch King is less of a deviation from the book considering he should be dead at the hands of Eowyn by now.I would argue it's more of a deviation.H.C.

The Saucepan Man

05-14-2003, 06:44 PM

Aragorn fighting the Witch King? Where did that come from? No, I don't see it at all. The only possible place that this could happen is at Pelennor Fields, and I am pretty certain from other quotes that I have seen that the Eowyn/Merry/Witch King scene is in. No, I would go with Aragorn facing Sauron at the Black Gate. Just because he's in diferent armour from the prologue to FotR doesn't mean it's not him. Even a Dark Lord might want to try something different in the armour department after 3000 years or so. And I agree with HC on this. Although it's not true to the Book, it will make a great scene. Presumably it will be after the Mouth of Sauron has tried to trick them into surrendering. I can see the Black Gate then opening and Sauron leading his forces out into battle. And who better to challenge him but Aragorn, the returning King? As HC's speculative, but convincing, scenario illustrates, it will make a great climax, cut with Frodo, Sam and Gollum at the Crack of Doom.Also, I don't think that Sauron assuming physical form is inconsistent with the Book. I recall reading somewhere (sorry, can't remember where now) that Sauron was able to assume physical form at the time of the War of the Ring. (Perhaps the eye might be seen more as an ethereal extension of his will.)Anyway, given that after FotR and (particularly) TTT we cannot expect the film to mirror the Book exactly (in my view rightly so as it is a different media), I have no problem with Sauron taking on Aragorn. Seems to me that it would be pretty spectacular.

The Only Real Estel

05-14-2003, 07:31 PM

Aragorn vs. The Witch-King would be more of a deviation from the books thatn Aragorn vs. Sauron, I agree with that. I see it more as pick your poison, & I just hate both the ideas. The books said ( sorry I can't remember where ) that Sauron was ALMOST ready to be able to take shape. If he does take on Aragorn ( unfortunately he probably will ), I don't think it's likely he'll lead the forces out from the Black Gate. It's more likely to be kind've like the explanatory footage at the beginning of FotR, where he comes later, in the middle of battle. I think even PJ realizes that having him lead the armies out would be a large mistake ( although, granted, no larger than Sauron being there in the first place! ), it would bring about the destruction of the Ring to quickly. Everybody knows that noone could stand up to Sauron for long, so Aragorn would have to engage him almost right away; begining the countdown to the destruction of the Ring to soon. Maybe, in about 20 years ( at age 35 ), I'll direct a more booktual ( I know that's not a real word ), longer triliogy...oh well, I suppose we must be glad for what PJ had presented for us NOW. I thought he did a MUCH better job with FotR than TTT, he stayed closer to the books ( don't start telling me I'm a loser for wishing TTT was more booktual! ), & used many of the lines straight out of the books, even if they were out of different chapters, etc. Oh well, I'd have more than my share of a take ( any arguments, just PM me, I probably shouldn't have gotten this far off the subject in the first place, & if we start arguing it'll only make it worse... )

The Saucepan Man

05-14-2003, 08:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think even PJ realizes that having him lead the armies out would be a large mistake ... Everybody knows that noone could stand up to Sauron for long, so Aragorn would have to engage him almost right away; begining the countdown to the destruction of the Ring to soon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I take your point, Estel. But having him leading his armies out doesn't mean he has to engage straight away. And he could always indulge in a bit of gratuitous destruction before Aragorn takes him on. Then again, having him suddenly appear during the course of the battle, thus mirroring the prologue of FotR, could work very well. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> in about 20 years ( at age 35 ), I'll direct a more booktual ( I know that's not a real word ), longer triliogy... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good luck with the financing. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I probably shouldn't have gotten this far off the subject in the first place ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, it seems on topic to me. We are discussing our views on a possible spoiler. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ... & if we start arguing it'll only make it worse... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No need to argue. We are all entitled to our opinions and I respect yours. This is, of course, all speculation anyway. I was simply trying to explain why I think that having Aragorn face Sauron might contribute to quite a spectacular climax.

The Only Real Estel

05-14-2003, 08:23 PM

I didn't mean YOU in particular, Saucepan Man, anyone who was going to argue with me was supposed to see that. I also didn't mean that little 'even PJ' part to mean 'you're so stupid', I hope it wasn't taken that way. I figured that sauron probably would enjoy inflicting a little manslaughter before reaching aragorn, but it'd be likely that Aragorn wouldn't let the destruction go far without stepping up to challenge him. If you want to contribut to the 'Help The Only Real Estel Make A New Triliogy Of The Lord Of The Rings Fund', be my guest! I also respect your opinion.

Arwen Imladris

05-15-2003, 01:44 PM

IGN Filmforce got a look at some ROTK footage, which they describe here.May 14, 2003 - At E3 this week, EA is showing off the upcoming videogame of The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. You can hit any of our game sites for the full details on the games, but the demo playing at the E3 booth features an intro comprised of all new footage from the third and final film in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.We were unfortunately not allowed to film the footage, but what was shown is now burned onto our retinas. Here's a bit of the more memorable moments from the footage: * Eowyn standing and looking rather sad. * Frodo and Sam climbing a mountain. * A shot of soldiers on horseback marching through a camp in a green grassy clearing. * Lots of shots of Gandalf in Minas Tirith. * Archers in a city courtyard (most likely Minas Tirith) taking aim and firing. * An awesome shot of Gandalf on Shadowfax leading troops through the city streets. * New shots of Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas in battle. * Eomer on horseback leading a charge into battle. * Gondorian soldiers in full armor on horseback charging into battle right into a line of orcs.The final shot of the intro is of Gandalf on the walls of Minas Tirith walls looking out onto the battlefield. When the camera switches to his perspective, the footage changes to an in-game cinematic of thousands of orcs charging the city with Fell Beasts flying in the air. If the actual film footage is as big as that game cinematic, we're in for a stunning treat this December.Also: more thoughts on whether Sauron might appear in person in ROTK.Alex writes, "Well I saw something that could be a possible spoiler for ROTK. On the FOTR DVD extended edition, I don't remember where but I know that it was on disc 3, there is a two-second clip of what looks like Peter Jackson directing the movements of an actor dressed in Sauron's costume and there is a blue screen behind him. When I first saw this I thought PJ was just filming a scene from the prologue with the battle of the last alliance. But I looked at Sauron who was using a sword, and in the prologue, Sauron wielded a mace. This could be some more supporting evidence of Sauron's apearance in ROTK. Of course it could just be somethiung PJ redid but I just thought you might like to know."Hmmm!

HCIsland

05-16-2003, 09:42 AM

Sorry, I don't know how to change the colour of the script like Arwen does.This is from <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1053036826" TARGET=_blank>OneRing</A>. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Whether or not this makes the final cut or not, we now know for certain that Sauron was FILMED as a physical presence taking part in the events of ROTK. This came in from Dave: "I used to flat with a guy in the NZ army, and when he was in the filming for the big battle in front of the gates of Mordor, Sauron was there fighting. I believe he will appear. I mean there is only so much you can do with a giant eye." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Further support of Sauron emerging to kick some butt at the end.H.C.

The Only Real Estel

05-16-2003, 11:13 AM

I know PJ talked about how terrible it would be for us to not see the bad guy of Star Wars, Darth Vader, for the entire triliogy ( 4,5,6 ). But my brother pointed out Vader isn't THE bad guy. Darth Sidious ( the emperor. emperor palpatine, senater palpatine, whichever you prefer)is; & you see precious little of him, unless he's hidden in shadow from his cloak. I suppose you could make the argument that you see more of him in Return of the Jedi ( the last movie of Star Wars ), & we're going to see more of Sauron in The Return of the King ( the last movie of LOTR ). But I'd still rather not see him.

Arwen Imladris

05-16-2003, 11:56 AM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/790?sg=1&q=&tn=24&ts=0" TARGET=_blank>ROTK PICS!!!</A>HCIsland: If you look on the first page of this thread I told you how to change the colour.bla bla bla here is a secret.Except take out the space before <.But don't worry about it, this whole thread is about spoilers, if people don't want to see it they won't look at this thread, however, it is fun!

Meela

05-16-2003, 12:01 PM

OMG... those are brilliant!

Gorwingel

05-16-2003, 01:15 PM

Those pictures are wonderful, I can't wait for that movie. The one of Gandalf on Shadowfax-exactly how I imagined it. Mount Doom! Poor Frodo in the dark When is the preview coming out? [ May 16, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

Gorwingel

05-16-2003, 09:12 PM

The official website <A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net" TARGET=_blank>www.lordoftherings.net</A> has just posted a collection of 25 brand new images from ROTK! It is getting closer...

Meela

05-17-2003, 06:26 AM

The gallery doesnt work...

Meela

05-17-2003, 07:03 AM

Could someone possibly post a direct link to the pictures or somehow get them to me? the link is also available from onering.net, and is a direct link, but it doesnt work either.

Arwen Imladris

05-17-2003, 03:53 PM

<A HREF="http://lordoftherings.net/index_features_rotk.html" TARGET=_blank>Try this!</A>If that doesn't work, I don't think I can get a direct link, the pics don't have an adress all to their own. Try going to <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/" TARGET=_blank>theonering.net</A> and scroll down to May 16, it is the secomd one down. Hope that helps, they are really cool pics!

Lalaith

05-17-2003, 04:22 PM

Hmmm...I'm not impressed by some of those picture captions. I mean, what's this? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Arwen (Liv Tyler) reluctantly agrees to join the Elves in their departure from Middle-earth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Meela

05-18-2003, 05:41 AM

I still can't get to the pictures, and its really bugging me. Can anyone email me a file of the pics or something? I really want to see them.

Arwen Imladris

05-18-2003, 02:48 PM

<A HREF="http://lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/rotk/image0.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Try This?</A>I will PM you too, so check your PM's.

Meela

05-18-2003, 02:51 PM

OMG!!! *huggles ever so madly* it works! all i have to do is change the number in the address and i can get them all! its just 25, right? so i just go up to typing image 25 or whatever and it should work...

Eruwen

05-18-2003, 03:13 PM

Wow, those pictures are AMAZING!! I love the one with Sam holding the light. What is with that anyway? But still, thanks for the link. They were great.

Meela

05-18-2003, 03:16 PM

its the phial of Galadriel, and I spose Frodo is injured and Sam has taken it. I could be wrong.

Arwen Imladris

05-22-2003, 01:44 PM

More spoilers, these snippets were gleamed from the Official LOTR Magazine's latest issue! What's in..what's out who will we see in the TTT: Extended Edition?! And what real life spider is Shelob based on?! Take a look! Either click <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1053622751" TARGET=_blank>here.</A> or highlight below.The two major changes in RotK are addition of TTT material and cutting of Scouring:- Isengard sequence/VOS is at the beginning of RotK.- Minas Morgul, stairs of Cirith Ungol and Shelob's lair also in RotK- "We don't have the Scouring of the Shire." (In case anyone was holding out hope ... )- At this point, no Ghan-Buri-Ghan. Doubts this will be added in pickups.- Otherwise it follows the book "reasonably well."Other stuff:- Shelob will be "the creepiest and scariest of creatures." Based on the Tunnel Web spider of New Zealand. Photo above- Mumakil and Nazgul will have center-stage appearances - more spectacular.- Post-production should be completed and film "delivered" end of October, early November.- Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. He he he!

Meela

05-22-2003, 02:49 PM

Oh God YEEEESSSSS!! Early Denethor!!!And Ghan-Buri-Ghan is on the Imdb cast list... how come if he's struck out?

Eruwen

05-22-2003, 02:58 PM

You know, I never thought I would hear myself saying this, but, THANK YOU ARWEN!! No, really, thank you so much. I love spoilers and it is now making me soo excited about seeing the movie. And eewww, freaky spider to make Shelob after. I can now see how she is going to be the most feared and horrible Villain in this movie. Wow, look at those fangs! {Yeah, I noticed that, Saucepan. I just didn't feel like changing and hoped that no one else would notice. } [ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: Eruwen ]

Meela

05-22-2003, 03:03 PM

*screams and runs away*Any chance of hiding that... I'm an arachnophobic

Rose Cotton

05-22-2003, 04:54 PM

That spider is exellent for Shelob. Sam is going to have his work cut out for him fighting a spider like that.If PJ can pull off Shelob and Choices for Master Samwise that would make the movie for me.

balrogman

05-22-2003, 05:18 PM

i cant wait till december! its only 208 days...dammit thats too long!

The Saucepan Man

05-22-2003, 06:44 PM

Shelob just has to be done well. She is possibly one of the most eagerly anticipated aspects of the film as far as I am concerned (and I'm arachnophobic too ). As I have said elsewhere, I am glad that she wasn't in TTT, because I see her as providing a tremendous curtain-raiser for RotK. Basing her on a funnel-web or a tarantula sounds good, although I expect her to be quite a bit more gruesome than the real thing. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Wow, look at those eyes! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Those ain't eyes. They be fangs! Like Meela, I had heard that Ghan-Buri-Gahn was mentioned in the cast list, so I had expected to see him. It'll be a shame if the Druadan aren't in, but I suppose that they are one of the elements in the story that can be fairly easily dropped. And Denethor in the TTT extended edition? I wonder how they will work him in. Perhaps a flashback for Faramir ...?

elven maiden Earwen

05-22-2003, 06:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What!?!?!?!?!?!?! O My God that is so unfair. Damit. That means no Bregond, Ghan-Buri-Gahn, Imrahil, twins, Cirdian,Halbarad...ect. No. Those were some of my favorite charecters.

Gorwingel

05-22-2003, 07:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Otherwise it follows the book "reasonably well."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well that's a good sign, or to me it is, even with some of the missing charaters. As long as ROTK follows the book more closely than TTT I will be pleased.

Meela

05-23-2003, 07:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> quote: Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. What!?!?!?!?!?!?! O My God that is so unfair. Damit. That means no Bregond, Ghan-Buri-Gahn, Imrahil, twins, Cirdian,Halbarad...ect. No. Those were some of my favorite charecters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*shakes her head* The correct answer is YESSSS!!! Denethor!!

Meela

05-23-2003, 07:39 AM

*giggles insanely*

HCIsland

05-23-2003, 08:39 AM

Regarding Beregond and Ghan-Buri-Ghan:We seem to have some conflicts.<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/1/1048189316" TARGET=_blank>Beregond</A>There is also <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/movie/cast.html" TARGET=_blank>this cast list.</A> Scroll to the bottom, though the link to the actor doesn't work.I also swear I can remember someone at OneRing describing the shooting of the funeral pyre scene and had lines for Beregond, though I can't find that now.Editted to add: <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1052767382" TARGET=_blank>Found It</A> though it's a little dubious.H.C.[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

HCIsland

05-24-2003, 02:24 PM

Wonderful, high-res pics.<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/797" TARGET=_blank>Enjoy</A>I'm not sure how spoilerific they are though there is a shot of Aragorn at Eowyn's bedside and some great shots of Merry and Pippin in their respective armour.H.C.[ May 24, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Gorwingel

05-24-2003, 04:09 PM

I just looked at the high resolution pictures, they are very beautiful. Pippin in the armor of Gondor and Merry in the armor of Rohan! Can I just say amazing! All the details, especially the one of Aragorn and Andúril (but we still don't know how he gets it ). Everyone who doesn't care, take a look, they are amazing. Additionally they make great wallpapers for your computer (just changed mine)

Eruwen

05-24-2003, 07:21 PM

I love the one of Frodo entering Shelob's lair. I can just imagine...the heart-wrenching music in the background telling you something is about to happen...you hold onto the edge of your seat clutching the armrests tighly as Shelob is shown for the first time. Oh, I cannot wait! This is too much...oh, the agony! Thank you, HC!

The Saucepan Man

05-24-2003, 07:22 PM

Thanks for the pictures, HC. I love the shots of Merry and Pippin. One point, though: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Faramir At The Pelennor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Shurely shome mistake?

HCIsland

05-24-2003, 07:58 PM

He is attacked on Pellenor Fields before the actual battle.H.C.

The Saucepan Man

05-24-2003, 10:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He is attacked on Pellenor Fields before the actual battle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True. But the words "At The Pelennor" suggested to me the Battle of Pelennor Fields. Then again, perhaps I should not read too much into the choice of words made by the people writing the captions for these pics ...

HCIsland

05-25-2003, 07:53 AM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6709" TARGET=_blank>The Crossroads</A>H.C.

Meela

05-25-2003, 07:58 AM

What are the crossroads and where do they feature?

HCIsland

05-25-2003, 09:05 AM

It should be very early in the movie. There's a road that runs east-west from Osgiliath to Minas Morgul and another that runs north-south through Ithilien (check the map). The crossroads are - well - at the crossroads. Their's a ruined and defaced statue of a Gondorian King there that Tolkien does a very effective job of painting with his words. It's pure atmosphere and not directly plot related, but it's nice to see it.H.C.

Brinniel

05-25-2003, 01:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> We only meet one new character, which is Denethor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> When they say "one new character," they probably mean one new major character. It's almost impossible to not introduce any new characters at all. So, Beregond and Ghan-Buri-Ghan may still be in ROTK, but they probably won't have very many lines.

HCIsland

05-25-2003, 02:09 PM

I have to agree. What about the Mouth of Sauron, the orcs that capture Frodo? These guys have to have some lines. There's no way Denethor is the only new character. He's just the only new major character which, for those that have read the book, is not a spoiler at all.H.C.

balrogman

05-26-2003, 05:32 PM

those are some sweet pics HC! thanks! i guess theyre pullin the whole gollum thing with shelob, wont show what it looks like until the movie is out...

HCIsland

05-26-2003, 06:59 PM

Yup, they have to have one thing that they work hard to keep wrapped up.With Fellowship it was the Balrog. With Two Towers it was Gollum. With RotK it's looking like Shelob. Considering how well the previous two came across, I'm taking this as a good sign.H.C.

Finwe

05-26-2003, 07:56 PM

Shelob, The Battle of Pelennor Fields, and the Battle before Barad-dur are the three things that I'm most looking forward to in Return of the King. I also can't wait for the climax, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger.

Rose Cotton

05-26-2003, 09:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I also can't wait for the climax, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've been imagining that part in my head for so long. I hope they keep this part true to the book. It's just such an signifigant part that I hope it is left the way it was ment to be.I wonder if we will see any pictures of Frodo and Sam in Mordor before the movie comes out.

Finwe

05-27-2003, 07:28 PM

Aren't there a couple on the official Lord of the Rings website? I remember seeing at least one. Or perhaps that was the one of them in Minas Morgul or Cirith Ungol (the caption was slightly ambiguous).

balrogman

05-27-2003, 08:52 PM

yeah, most of the sam and frodo ones ar in cirith ungol and 1 or 2 are in minas morgul....

Aratlithiel

05-29-2003, 11:18 AM

HERE THERE BE SPOILERS!! . . . . . . . Questions that need answers!OK - I've dealt with the changes from the book in the movies so far and have learned to live with them...although I do reserve the right to occassionally grumble over the loss of Frodo's backbone. Another subject - ANYWAY...SO - the one scene in all of book that is most dear to my heart is Sam's confrontation with Shelob ('Now come, you filth!' Ooh - shivers) and his later rescue of Frodo in the Tower. I've spent admittedly WAY too much time going over the pictures available and studying them to try and assure myself that this scene will be faithful to the book and I am now truly worried. Please follow my train of thought here and assure me that I am, indeed wrong!!1. If you look at this photo (bottom of page), Frodo has Sting in his hand and is still wearing his waistcoat and very obviously in Shelob's lair.<A HREF="http://www.kojiroabe.com/rotk/rotk01.html" TARGET=_blank>Frodo w/Phial</A>2. This photo shows Frodo without Sting (sheath is empty), his waistcoat or the Phial but covered in webs - however he still has the Ring (you can see the chain around his neck in the second link).<A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/return/imagepages/image14.htm" TARGET=_blank>Frodo Full-length</A><A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/return/imagepages/image14.htm" TARGET=_blank>Frodo Close-up</A>Now - this one that Gorwingel posted shows Frodo, no waistcoat, no Phial, presumably alone in a cave that I'm worried is NOT Shelob's lair.(Sorry - I lost this link...you'll have to take my word for it.)OK, here's where my nagging suspicions come in: If Frodo is wearing his waistcoat when the confrontation begins, when do you suppose he had time to remove it? Also, how does he still have the Ring around his neck AFTER he's covered in webs and awake? Book people know that Frodo is stung, appears to be dead, covered in webs, then Sam's scene and then Sam taking the Ring - so the entire time Frodo is covered in webs he should be unconscious and when he regains consciousness, he should be bereft of clothes and Ring and laying in the Tower. How can Frodo be covered in webs and AWAKE and still have the Ring? Am I making sense?This is leading me to believe that the fabulously written Shelob scene will be hacked unmercifully and that Frodo will not be stung or taken to the Tower by the orcs at all.Can someone please, PLEASE lay my fears to rest?

Aratlithiel

05-29-2003, 11:58 AM

ALTHOUGH -I just found this <A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_rotk/adisplay_offl_rotkcards_withouttext.htm" TARGET=_blank>Quintissential</A> Go about 3/4 of the way down the page - One of the captions says it's in Ithilien. Maybe these 'Shelob's Lair' pics aren't of that scene at all...?Ack! I can't stand it!!

HCIsland

05-29-2003, 12:10 PM

Sorry Aratlithiel, I'm not following.Chain of events: Frodo enters with sting, Ring, waistcoat (I'm assuming you're meaning the mithril vest) and vial. After hacking through webs for a bit he passes sting and the vial to Sam (shot of Frodo covered in webs without these items). Frodo still has the Ring at this point. Frodo is attacked by Shelob and poisoned. Sam fights off Shelob and goes to Frodo thinking he's dead. Sam takes the Ring and the Orcs take Frodo. Frodo loses the vest to the Orcs.This is how it happens in the book and I don't see how the pictures are contradicting that. Seeing that one picture you are talking about might help my confusion.Editted to add: Oops, now I see what you meant by waistcoat. You meant waistcoat . Two explanations: One, hacking through webs is tiring work and Frodo removes the waist coat before proceeding or two, the shot of Frodo with the phial is a publicity shot and not from the film.H.C.[ May 29, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Aratlithiel

05-29-2003, 12:24 PM

LOL - I doubt it would help me un-confuse you since it's still a blur in my own head! But you make a good point about the webs. I was assuming that he wouldn't be draped in them until after Shelob tried to wrap him up but it is definitely possible that they fell on his while he was cutting them down from the passage out.And your point about the waistcoat is also a good one - I never considered that it could be a publicity shot.OK - I feel a little better now. You're my hero again, dear H.C. I knew if anyone could wrap their brain around my dilemna and assuage my fears it would be you!! Thank you, sir!

HCIsland

05-29-2003, 12:34 PM

Thanks. I think the fog is clearing.If in doubt I find this picture makes me feel better about the whole Shelob bit.<A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_rotk/lotr2_saminshelobslair.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_rotk/lotr2_sami nshelobslair.jpg</A>H.C.

Brinniel

05-29-2003, 07:42 PM

This is leading me to believe that the fabulously written Shelob scene will be hacked unmercifully and that Frodo will not be stung or taken to the Tower by the orcs at all.
They won't cut out the scene with Shelob. Remember the foreshadowing scene with Gollum at the end of TTT?

Aratlithiel

05-30-2003, 08:37 AM

I'm not worried that they'll cut it entirely - the pic of Sam wielding the Phial and Sting assures me of that. I'm only concerned that they'll chop it up into little pieces and make it PJ's fanfic version like so many other good scenes that could have been done better if they'd held true to the book. If this scene is done true to Tolkien and done well, I will forgive every other act of butchery in all of the films. I guess I'll just have to wait and see like everyone else.

Ainaserkewen

05-30-2003, 04:54 PM

Mondieu, he's clean!! He's tall!!!I Love spoilers!!!

The Saucepan Man

05-30-2003, 05:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm only concerned that they'll chop it up into little pieces and make it PJ's fanfic version like so many other good scenes that could have been done better if they'd held true to the book. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No reason to. I see the Shelob scene working very well on screen (and being very much to Jackson's tastes) just as it's written.

Brinniel

05-30-2003, 05:41 PM

I like that last picture, Aina. I've always enjoyed viewing behind the set photos.

More spoilers:

This one may disappoint some.
"I know Lawrence Makoare and Sala Baker are both supposed to have been doing work as the Witch King in the final battle with Eowyn - and she mentioned they'd be reshooting a lot of it, so that could explain at least some of Baker's work [Sala's presence at reshoots have been mentioned in recent news - T] "She also mentioned not holding out too much hope that much of the Houses Of The Healing would appear. Apparently the romance between Eowyn and Faramir, although definitely present, has been down-played somewhat. She seemed disappointed but said, 'well something has to make way - there's a lot of story to cover in the last film.'"

Confirmation for length of movie.
According to the biggest newspaper here in Norway, the running time of ROTK will be 3 h 10 min. PJ is working to make his first 4 hour cut into a 3 h 10 min cut. It is confirmed in the article by the LOTR distributor in Norway, SF Norway.

HCIsland

05-31-2003, 10:06 AM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1054369145" TARGET=_blank>Interview with Peter Jackson</A> Interesting interview, but here are a few spoilerish quotes. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> At this point, we don't have Ghân-buri-Ghân, the Wild Man that the Rohirrim come across on their way to Minas Tirith in there. I don't know if this will change with us doing pickups, but I doubt it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> We only meet one new character, which is Denethor — and he's only new to these who don't check out TT extended cut in November! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Seemingly varifying the Faramir-Boromir-Denethor flash back for the special edition TTT.Editted to add: <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/803" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is an article from a french magazine. My wife read it for me and the one spoilish piece that I recall (a full translation may help) is Andy Serkis once again saying Peter Jackson told him the Seagol-Deagol will be in RotK.H.C.[ May 31, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Ainaserkewen

06-02-2003, 11:41 AM

I love the behind the scenes too Brinniel, if you've read the Movie guide there is that one picture with Gandalf and Saruman walking and PJ walking beside them. It looks just too wierd to have real people mixed in, but it kind of brings back the reality.

HCIsland

06-02-2003, 01:21 PM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1054550864" TARGET=_blank>Here is a translation</A> of the above mentioned french article thanks to the folks at OneRing.H.C.

Aratlithiel

06-03-2003, 07:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I see the Shelob scene working very well on screen (and being very much to Jackson's tastes) just as it's written. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, my Saucy friend, but Frodo standing up to the Ringwraiths would have worked too and we all know how that went!

HCIsland

06-03-2003, 10:45 AM

Maybe Arwen will show up to fight Shelob. H.C.

The Saucepan Man

06-06-2003, 10:01 AM

The website of the UK TV station, channel 4, has out up some pictures from RotK. Most of them I have seen before (mainly on this thread), but this one is new to me: Quite clearly, this is Frodo in Shelob's lair, covered in webs (presumably from hacking through them with Sting). But I am not so sure that the formation that he is standing next to is part of the cave. It is covered in webs, looks slightly organic, and I am sure that I can make out a skull in it (about level with Frodo's waist). So I was wondering whether it might be the web-covered mass of Shelob's past victims ...

HCIsland

06-06-2003, 11:07 AM

Ewww!!! Could be. The other thing to note is that Frodo doesn't appear to have Sting. In the book Frodo drops the sword when he is attacked from behind by Shelob, yet here he hasn't been attacked yet but doesn't have Sting. In a slight change, perhaps he passes Sting to Sam to hack through the webs. Or maybe Frodo has just squeezed through while Sam needs to expand the opening a smidge more for his slightly more ample frame.Could this be only moments before the attack?H.C.

Sparks

06-06-2003, 12:42 PM

Actually there have been lots of spoilers going around. If you go to Bolt.com (you have to be a memeber) and search around the clubs about LOTR you'll find that many have spoilers and the majority of them come from theonering.net or lordoftherings.com or .net I actually don't remember.

HCIsland

06-09-2003, 06:22 PM

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1055138350" TARGET=_blank>AICN Spy Report at OneRing</A>This will likely spawn rampant speculation.Here's a quote. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It was a scene where Elrond comes into Aragorn's tent wearing a hooded cape that kept his face hidden in darkness. Jackson shot the scene a dozen times at least. In this scene Hugo slowly and with a certain amount of drama removes the hood from his face to seriously talk with Viggo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are some guesses at OneRing as to what this means but my guess is that the scene is on the road back from Isengard. A king would have tents and if you watch Jackson's acceptance speech there are trees in the background, which to me doesn't sound like Pelennor Fields.I guess Elrond is out looking for his runaway daughter.Editted to add: This makes me laugh though. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> they ran thru it all for one final take with Elrond stepping into the scene face hidden from the view of all in attendance, buuuuuut this time when he slowly exposes his face he had on a pair of his patented "Mr. Smith" sunglasses and says something along the line of, "Join with the MATRIX, Mr. Aragorn" in his best deadpan delivery. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can only imagine this with Weaving using that wacky G-man robot voice of his. Sounds like one for a blooper reel.H.C.[ June 09, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

The Saucepan Man

06-09-2003, 06:57 PM

The report talks of Viggo having his "scruffy unkempt beard" in the scene with Elrond. From the pictures that I have seen, it looks like Aragorn turns up to the Pelennor looking less scruffy than he has previously (ie more kingly). If so, that too suggests that this is on the road back from Isengard (or at least some time prior to the Paths of the Dead).

HCIsland

06-12-2003, 08:02 AM

<A HREF="http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=253" TARGET=_blank>New stuff</A> from OneRing.Most of it is pretty old news, but I especially like this quote. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ian McKellen, who plays Gandalf, says the scene where Sam (Sean Astin) kisses Frodo's (Elijah Wood) forehead after he saves him from Shelob's lair is likely to make it to the big screen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Better bring lots of Kleenex.And <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1055387875" TARGET=_blank>this</A> which, as mentioned at the link, needs to be taken with several heepings of salt but it puts Aragorn, Arwen and Elrond together in a tent on the road back from Isengard.Although the nature of the post does make me suspicious of this particular "extra", what he says does make some degree of sense. Many of us are guessing Arwen brings Anduril to Aragorn and a different report puts Elrond there. Combining this into one meeting makes sense or else it becomes a pretty busy night.1. Pippin/Gandalf/Palantir incident. 2. Arwen delivers sword. 3. Elrond shows up chasing Arwen.I would still strongly suspect that Elrond and Arwen would leave for Lothlorien after this scene.H.C.

Talon Stormcrow

06-12-2003, 03:53 PM

Oooh, USA Today reveals some of what is in TTT EE. Im not sure if you have heard this yet but here ya go! <A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2003-06-11-rings_x.htm" TARGET=_blank>USA TODAY</A>

Frodo2968thewhite

06-12-2003, 04:53 PM

Sounds good!

Frodo2968thewhite

06-12-2003, 05:02 PM

Here's alot more pics of TTT Extended version! scroll down for the pics<A HREF="http://www.dailydigest.net/tttdeletedscenes.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.dailydigest.net/tttdeletedscenes.html</A>

Birdland

06-13-2003, 05:57 AM

U.S.A. Today gave a rundown of what will be in the extended version in yesterday's edition. Apparently P.J. gave a preview screening to them in Wellington. Don't know if other papers got the "scoop" Most of it is already known, or guessed, here, but there are a few other moments between Aragorn and Eowyn that are mentioned.You can read it all here: <A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030612/5235961s.htm" TARGET=_blank>Boromir Lives!</A>

The_Hand

06-15-2003, 06:28 AM

Oh man that pic of Smeagol with his precious was awsome! I just can't wait till this christmas!!!!!!!!!

Morquesse

06-24-2003, 07:36 PM

<A HREF="http://Ringbearer.org" TARGET=_blank>Ringbearer.org</A> brought up this bit of news:A spoiler by AICN ....."News about Jackson projects is increasingly hard to come by, but this tidbit came my way recently: WETA techie's are currently churning out thousands of human skulls for an avalanche sequence they’re about to shoot for RETURN OF THE KING. Rumour is that it takes place during Aragorn’s journey into the Paths of the Dead. " Oh goody. ~M

Eruwen

08-06-2003, 09:52 AM

<A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_rotk/adisplay_e3rotkimages.htm" TARGET=_blank>Quessential Websites</A> has just recently put out ROTK pictures showed at what they called "E3". Some of these pictures are old, but quite a few on the 3 pages I looked at are new. They also give a stunning picture of how Ted Nasmith pictures the Paths of the Dead scene. {Possibility on what the movie will look like.}The pictures are a bit fuzzy, but not that you can't see them. The website says that they hope that these pictures will come out at a later time in a better quality. Just wanted to let everyone know. Oh, and there are also a few pictures of Gandalf bringing Pippin to Minas Tirith. It's a far away shot, but you can still see them very well.[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Eruwen ]

The Only Real Estel

08-25-2003, 10:33 AM

Just reviving this for posters on 'What's the worst that could happen?'. Here you go...

Gorwingel

08-29-2003, 09:10 PM

This photo is definitely a spolier. It is a photo that is from ROTK, and it is also from after everything that we know about goes on. It is a picture of the four hobbits. It is kind of dark, and details are hard to see, but it definitely tugs on the heartstrings of fans everywhere...<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/8117" TARGET=_blank>TheOneRing.net</A>

Joy

08-30-2003, 02:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Quite clearly, this is Frodo in Shelob's lair, covered in webs (presumably from hacking through them with Sting). But I am not so sure that the formation that he is standing next to is part of the cave. It is covered in webs, looks slightly organic, and I am sure that I can make out a skull in it (about level with Frodo's waist). So I was wondering whether it might be the web-covered mass of Shelob's past victims ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>HC, I took a look at that picture (enlarged it), you are right, it is a skull. I wish that I had the ability to post it.