Stupid Elf

[eleanor_niphredil]

Im as much a fan of Legolas as the next person, but wouldnt you like to see than stupid elf fall flat on his face, just one time? I mean, everyone else has some moment when they show flaw in battle, exept him. I know he has had thousands of years to practice, but come on, no-one is that perfect. I dont want near death, nothing serious, just perhaps a smudge of dirt, or a scratch on the arm. Surly I'm not alone in this?<P>Also, does anyone know where you can buy elf ears. I heard you could, and I want some!

[Faye Took]

You can find hobbit/elf ears here:<P><A HREF="http://www.tolkientown.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?PHPSESSID=&keywords=Elf+Ears" TARGET=_blank>Tolkien Town</A>

[eleanor_niphredil]

Thanks. i'll buy them as soon as I get cash.

[dunedain_aragorn]

YEAh! aragorn falls off a cliff and Legolas is always sooo perfect!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, he is an Elf and is very graceful. Plus, he got a smudged face at Amon Hen.<BR>Why exactly is he a 'stupid elf'?

[eleanor_niphredil]

He is a stupid elf because...well...because he is! So there!

[Faye Took]

Your welcome. Glad to help out. And no, Legolas is not a stupied elf, just very...clean?

[eleanor_niphredil]

He's very something, lets call it clean.

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

lol yea.

[Maeglin]

Why shouldn't anyone be perfect? No reason to be anything less than a higher beeing. And he did get a bit mud on himself at Helms Deep.

[eleanor_niphredil]

How cool would it be to get to <I>throw</I> mud at an elf?

[Alex Chamois]

Perfect? Legolas? You must be talking about some different elf.<P>Let's see, in FotR: He gets all kind of elvish hunches about bad things coming, and doesn't do anything about it. He fails to convince Haldir to let Gimli into Lorien without a blindfold. He fails to prevent the abduction of Merry and Pippin by the uruk-hai. <P>In tTT: Although he's an elf, he lets Aragorn take the lead when they are tracking the hobbits. He becomes afraid for his own life at Helm's Deep and loses it with Aragorn. Then he fails to kill the orc with the torch, even with Aragorn screaming at him, so that the wall is breached. Hundreds of men and elves die as a result.<P>Definitely not perfect

[Nieninque]

*holds hands over her ears* None of you jealous guys can convince me that Legolas is stupid or powerless. Besides, in the book there is no such "Kill him, kill him!" scene anyway. In the movie, Legolas hits him twice. TWICE, and the stupid Uruk-hai kept on running. And about his words with Aragorn: who <I>wouldn't</I> be scared? Would any of you have done better, hmm?

[Coral]

My problem with Legolas in the movie is that he is way too full of himself, as most elves probably are...

[Melime]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How cool would it be to get to throw mud at an elf? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The one problem with that is you probably would only be able to do it one before getting turned into a pincushion. O.o LOL

[anduin angel 44]

no legolas is the coolest person in the series in my opinion and he has been around thousands of years so he should be perfect. and if all of a sudden he wasnt then that wouldnt be in character for him. his character is perfect. thats the whole idea. if he wasnt then it wouldnt make sense.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Another thing that bothers me about him is that he is always so serious in the film. In the book, he was a bit funnier. And anyway, how does he do all those little plaits at the back of his head every single day? Is this another elf power I have never heard of?

[Alex Chamois]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>*holds hands over her ears* None of you jealous guys can convince me that Legolas is stupid or powerless. Besides, in the book there is no such "Kill him, kill him!" scene anyway. In the movie, Legolas hits him twice. TWICE, and the stupid Uruk-hai kept on running. And about his words with Aragorn: who wouldn't be scared? Would any of you have done better, hmm?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No need to overreact. I listed those examples to show he wasn't perfect, not because I think he's weak. I wouldn't like him very much if he was flawless. Elves may live a long time, but that doesn't make them perfect, just experienced.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The "stupid Uruk-Hai"? Why is it stupid? Because the arrows it got pierced with didn't kill it?<P>And how is Legolas always so serious and never funny? Well, the majority of the time the characters have to be serious because they are fighting for their lives. It's hardly a comedy film. Though there are funny lines in it.<P>"You're late."<P>"You look terrible"<P>"I'm on seventeen!"<P>Hmmm?

[**sparkle fairy**]

yes i agree or maybe the urak - hai (can't spell) should because i know you can't possibly run through the woods with out falling over, its impossible.

[dunedain_aragorn]

whoa whoa, i too think elves are incredibly awesome. so did tolkien. i bet if we started dissing aragorn (my fave character) we wouldnt get results like this! we just want to see a little flaw, and he couldve killed the orc, i forgot about that. that is enough for me.

[Nevtarmawen Greenleaf]

Actually, to me it looked like he killed the orc. If you notice, after he hit it the second time, it fell foward(as it died)and unfortunately lit the bomb-thingy.And anyway, he couldnt really do anything about it because another orc would have just picked up the torch and lit it.

[Sharkû]

Less 'who's stupid' talk, more character talk.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Yet another thing that bothers me. Why do elves in the film never seem to run out of arrows. legolas is constantly using them, but whenever he turnes his back his quiver is full. How be that?

[Daewen]

Take into consideration the natural grace of the elves. Also, he does get hurt. If you think back to Moria, he came out of the mines with a nasty looking bang on his head

[eleanor_niphredil]

I always assumed that was a smudge. Cool. Elf running through Moria. Elf turns round to shoot Orc. Elf runs straight into wall. Thump, bang, lying on the floor with stars around his head. Life flashes before elf, taking about an hour.

[Nieninque]

<<Why do elves in the film never seem to run out of arrows.>><P>I was wondering that myself. It only looks like there's twenty arrows at the most. And I didn't notice that the uruk-hai fell before the wall blew up (have to watch it again!)

[maikafanawen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ...but wouldnt you like to see than stupid elf fall flat on his face, just one time? ... no-one is that perfect... <P>He is a stupid elf because...well...because he is! So there! <P>...how does he do all those little plaits at the back of his head every single day? Is this another elf power I have never heard of... <P>I always assumed that was a smudge. Cool. Elf running through Moria. Elf turns round to shoot Orc. Elf runs straight into wall. Thump, bang, lying on the floor with stars around his head. Life flashes before elf, taking about an hour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think Eleanor Niphredil

[maikafanawen]

continued (oops)...<P>I think that Eleanor Niphredil needs to show a little more respecto towards our Legolas. Does anyone else think so?

[Iarwain]

Sorry, but I'd have to agree with movie-Legolas's critics. One thing that bothers me about legolas is that he seems too one-sided. Just like Gimli is the comedian, and Frodo the dribbling cringing sufferer, Legolas is the "cool guy" who is perfect and performs stunts and makes clever remarks: "your late" and "you look terrible". Even though his is an elf, and I definately think that elves are awesome, movie-Legolas is lacking a lot of book character.<P>Singing Deeply,<BR>Iarwain

[maikafanawen]

Oh ... no, sorry Eleanor ... I was just kidding about the "respect" thing. I agree with you as well about Legolases seemingly perfect role. lol

[Alex Chamois]

mmm, the never-ending arrows bothered me for a while, but then I watched more closely. When he's on the wall with the other elven archers, it makes sense that they would have reserves of arrows up there, some kid running along behind them restocking them.<P>Right, then when the orcs start coming up the ladders, he uses the arrows in his quiver.<P>Then the wall blows up, and they start falling back to the keep. In this part, Legolas's quiver is empty and he's using his little short swords for a while.<P>Then, when they're regrouping at the keep, he has a full quiver again, presumably because he's had time to either gather arrows or snatch a bundle from somewhere.<P>So it's not that bad

[eleanor_niphredil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Oh ... no, sorry Eleanor ... I was just kidding about the "respect" thing <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am a writer. I suffer for my art.<P>And belive me, if I was in front of an elf with his bow drawn and pointing it straight at me, I would have a little more respect!

[Cherie Centaur]

I agree with the critics. Letting Aragorn lead was completely non-elfish (I'm guessing that's the adjective) and the stunts were a little too perfect. But it was an improvment from barely-speaking-no-personality Legolas in FotR. Besides his stunts, he wasn't perfect and yes, the torchbearing orc did die, or at least took a final lunge at the bomb. So stop picking on him! <P> Also, is it just me or did he pick up arrows from an orc in FotR? I know he does in the book (in first chapter of TTT). Maybe it's just wishful thinking. You want him imperfect, you should see what I did too him in my FanFic. Now that is flawed. I have to finish typing it but then I'm posting it on this site!

[Finnguala]

Hey, c'mon people. Lets not spoil this PERFECT movie. Legolas IS perfect, can't u see.

[Durelin]

He needs to get stabbed in the leg or something. My friend Coral would do it without hesitation. Of course, then I'd fly through the air and try to block it, and die. She would pull the blade out of me and stab him. And everyone would be sad. A very dramatic scene. Well, seriously, I think he should get injured or something, doesn't have to be serious. Note that he did get a bruise in FOTR and his face had some mudges on it for a while there. Hey, atleast it was something!<P>Legolas was friends with Aragorn and he respected him as a 'good man' not corruptable like Boromir. Aragorn having little or no temptation over the ring and his being the king and all I believe are fine reasons for Legolas to let him lead out of respect for this man who was favored by Undomiel! And wasn't he like raised sorta among elves? Aragorn was (in my mind) half elven without being immortal.<P>The Uruk-hai was stupid because it was running around in a loin cloth. End of story! Anyway, it wasn't his fault, that was a special type of Uruk-hai (creaated by the movie people) called beserkers. They are tougher than other Uruk-hai, and have basically no fear. That's why the thing jumped in to blow itself up without any hesitations. Also, those were the Uruk-hai who rode on the ladders originally. You know, when there were only one. I don't think they feal pain until they're dead, that's why they just wear loin cloths instead of armour like the rest of the Uruk-hai. I think their brains are so small that they can't figure out that they should be dead.<P>Sorry that went on so long, I was reading some more of the posts and found new things to say! Grrr...my smilies aren't working!<P>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Durelin ]<p>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Durelin ]

[dunedain_aragorn]

I've thought it over, and I think Legolas is good perfect, and that I wouldnt have it any other way.

[dunedain_aragorn]

I meant that!

[Himaran]

I think everyone is being a little TOO critical. Sure, I thought the "mounting the horse on the opposite side with one hand while putting bow away" episode was a bit much, but common! He's an elf! Hes supposed to be good! Also, I think there is a logical reason for his not getting hurt as much as, say, Aragorn. He's an archer! He shoots his enemies (though he is awesome with those elvish knives of his), and thus he rarely comes into physical combat with an enemy. Instead of jupping onto lurtz, like Viggo did, he would have launched a volly of shafts into the villian's thick head - end of story! I do have to agree, though, that he did seem "perfect". But, in my view, "perfect" is a good thing and fans should be glad that there is a character that possesses some - "perfect," and arn't bumbling idiots like all those orcs that seem so.... un-intelligent......<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"A fork is better than nothing, but nothing is better than a hot meal. So a fork and spoon is better than a hot meal." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Himaran ]<p>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Himaran ]

[eleanor_niphredil]

I'd forgotten about the horse thing.That was to much, and not exactly perfect. Flying elf! Cool! Wouldnt he of got mowed over by the horse whilst putting his horse away? Is that the scene where Orlando fell off?

[Alex Chamois]

Hehe, I'm curious about that, too. We know he broke his rib falling off a horse. We know the horse-mounting part was computer generated. But did the one lead to the other, or was it coincidental?<P>And no matter how many times I see that stunt, it looks all wrong. You can use your right hand on the left side of the neck and the horse's forward motion to swing up on the right side of the horse, maybe. Not the left side

[Mlo]

I don't think he's to 'perfect' (He's an elf. Elves are perfect in fighting and jumping on horses in strange ways... ) but I agree that he should get a little blood in his face, or some dirt on his clothes, anything! What bothers me the most is his perfect hair! I mean, Aragorns hair looks just horrible (it probably stinks to...yuck...) But Legolas' hair is always perfect. Does he brush it all the time or what?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You can't fault good personal hygiene.

[Durelin]

He's tough, cool, smart, and good looking...he's perfect. End of story. Now who wouldn't like a guy like him? Who can't like an elf? Wait a minute...CORAL! You're evel Coral, you say Legolas is a pansy! Anyway, I was wondering when Orli broke his rib, he didn't do much riding, none of the actors did really except Viggo because he was already a good rider. He probably fell off when he was mounting normally! Kidding, <I>I</I> can even mount a horse easily. That was probably part of the reason the horse scene was done completley by coputer, because of his broken rib. How in the world could he have broken his rib? Well, he broke his back and just about everything else, why not a rib. Legolas isn't a stupid elf, Orli is a stupid boy!

[eleanor_niphredil]

Coral sounds like my kind of person!

[Durelin]

lol You should talk to her sometime. She enjoys plotting ways to kill him she would gladly have an accomplice!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Please post on topic - no personal chat on the forum. Thank you!

[Coral]

*Looks up from plans* Me? Kill Legolas? Nah...Did anyone here think Orlando Bloom sounded kinda fake when he was speaking elvish? Yes? No? Ok...

[eleanor_niphredil]

He did sound fake. faker than Aragorn anyway, and an elf should be better.<BR>I wouldnt kill Legolas. Pull his hair, perhaps. Trip him up, maybe. But kill? Nahhh. I'm not the violant type.

[Durelin]

Coral is violent. Even if he did sound fake, I believe we should give him credit, I mean, I definetly couldn't do better, it's hard to speak in another language, you should know that Coral, are you failing Spanish? Anyway, he's a new actor, and I don't think he's a really excellent one. He looks good though. I think I know how Orli hurts himself so much, he does it on purpose for the publicity!

[eleanor_niphredil]

Orlando Bloom- The one and only suicidal elf.<BR> <BR>Cool, he can do my work for me.<BR>I said I wasnt violant. I lied. I have just got home from my Martial Arts class. If I'm not violant now, I soon will be. Then we can go on a hunt for Legolas, tie him to a post and throw mud at him. We could even charge people to throw mud at him!

[Iarwain]

Whew, Eleanor, a little scary there. (Where will this mud throwing take place) *smiles cruelly* <P>All that I ask is that Legolas at <I>least</I> has one really close shave in Rotk, maybe a bit of skin missing, at least a bit of blood.<P>What bothers me about him is that people I know (non-fans) always seem to ignore the other characters for the <I>dude</I>-ly, awesome, extremely cool guy, with the long blond hair.<P>Chuckling at all those Ignorant,<BR>Iarwain

[Nieninque]

Ai, for some reason long hair makes guys fine to gaze upon. I've noticed (I apologize to Viggo before I say this), that Viggo looks way better with his hair long, and so does Sean Bean. It seems that Sean looks paler, and Viggo looks much stronger (and king-like) when he has the long hair.

[eleanor_niphredil]

I dont know. I'v seen my dad with long hair. spooky!

[thalioniathiel]

in one wide shot of TTT, Legolas stumbles. not very elf-like, in my opinion, but hey.

[eleanor_niphredil]

When did that happen, I want to see!

[thalioniathiel]

it's one of the shots with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli pursuing the orcs. wish I could be more specific, but I've only seen the movie 2 times...need to see it again soon! <BR>I think I remember that Gimli was quite a ways behind, so I would imagine that a person's eye would be drawn to watching him and therefore miss seeing Legolas stumble. I know that isn't much help as to which scene it's in, but anyway. watch Legolas in the wide shots of them all running and you won't miss it. :-)

[PigsnieLite]

The only time you see Legolas all smudged up was after the fellowship stumbled out of Moria. He was probably embarrassed by Haldir, who wuz unsmudged. In fact, haf you ever seen a dirty elf in LOTR? Elfs are mystically Scotchguarded, hahaha! On the other hand, humans in Middle Earth never seem to take a bath or trim their fingurnails!

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Then he fails to kill the orc with the torch, even with Aragorn screaming at him, so that the wall is breached. Hundreds of men and elves die as a result.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Alex, you shouldn't forget that through the explosion hundreds of orcs are dying, too! Have you seen the rocks crashing down on the crowd that is standing too near? <BR>I bet most of the orcs didn't even know what was coming, otherwise they would have fled and the torch-orc would have been killed pretty quickly.

[Helkahothion]

Don't mock me mortal's. You don't know the perfectness that is within an elf. We are distant fighers and hardly ever have melee combat so that explains the no scratching thing.<P>We are lightfooted so if we can walk on snow we can also walk on dirt. And because we are balanced because of our practising for years we don't fall down so quickly. So that explains the not dirty part. If you want to see us elves fall down. You will have to drop kick us. (from behind ofcaurse and be very soft cause we will hear you ) <P>Hope this explains it to you bunch of ignorant people. Don't ever put down a title like this or I will cut you open and hang you from your intestants.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion<P>P.S. I'm not mad, just iritated.

[PigsnieLite]

Do elfs haf intestants?

[Helkahothion]

Dear Pigsnielite,<P>Don't mess with me child. You don't know who you are facing. I am a powerfull person on the internet and everybody is afraid of me. No one bosses me around.<P>*Anuion's mom call's him for dinner*<P>Coming mom!!!!!<P>Gotta go.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[PigsnieLite]

Im not afraid of you. Im an Elf Boy! And its only my brother Pigsnie whos allowed to beat me up. He is a Dark Lord of Mordor & very rich. <P>Ps. Why does Legolas defer to Aragorn when he is thousands of yrs older than the human? Also, whut is the life span of dwarfs? [Too lazy to start another thread.]<p>[ January 14, 2003: Message edited by: PigsnieLite ]

[eleanor_niphredil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why does Legolas defer to Aragorn when he is thousands of yrs older than the human? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Probably boosting the confidence of the wimpy little human! On the other hand, maybe the whole invincible elf thing was just one big lie! Perhaps the Legolas we see in the film is the true Legolas (only kidding, no need to worry)<P>Dunno about the dwarf thing, though I know its longer than Men.<P>by the way, how does Legolas manage to knock that man out behind him in edoras when he has arms like toothpicks?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I don't think anyone is establishing anything bad about Legolas. When you try and do it, all you do is realise how great he and Elves in general are.

[HCIsland]

Man, my kids love Legolas. They think he's the best. Maybe during Aragorn's corination or something, he could trip and fall.<P>H.C.

[Helkahothion]

Greetings people,<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why does Legolas defer to Aragorn when he is thousands of yrs older than the human? Also, whut is the life span of dwarfs? [Too lazy to start another thread.]<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well maybe because Aragron is royalty. Altough Legolas is a prince he has respect for a king. It's not that he is acting lower than Aragorn, he is just showing respect.<P>And about the Dwarf part, they get about 250 years old. Don't be sorry for asking that. Because starting up a tread for just one question that can not lead to discussion is just waisting bandtwide. So it's a good thing.<P>If you need anything else just ask. Or look it up in an Arda Enceclopedia. (in case you did not notice we have one right here on our very site.)<P>Greetings,<P>Anuoin

[eleanor_niphredil]

How cool is this! I found a full list of Legolas's flaws.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Flaws<P>No one's perfect, not even Legolas.<P>Squabbles<P>'It was not the fault of the Dwarves that the friendship waned,' said Gimli.<BR>'I have not heard that it was the fault of the Elves,' said Legolas. -- (from FOTR) <P>Balrog-phobia:<P>Legolas turned and set an arrow to the string, though it was a long shot for his small bow. He drew, but his hand fell, and the arrow slipped to the ground. He gave a cry of dismay and fear. -- (from FOTR) <P>'It was a Balrog of Morgoth,' said Legolas; `of all elf-banes the most deadly, save the One who sits in the Dark Tower.' -- (from FOTR) <P>Needs to learn a few more choice cuss words:<P>'Ai! ai! ' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come! ' -- (from FOTR) <P>Has a bit of a temper<P>'A plague on Dwarves and their stiff necks! ' said Legolas. <P>`I am an Elf and a kinsman here,' said Legolas, becoming angry in his turn. -- (from FOTR) <P>Has a bit of a whinge:<P>'Alas for the folly of these days! ' said Legolas. 'Here all are enemies of the one Enemy, and yet I must walk blind, while the sun is merry in the woodland under leaves of gold! ' -- (from FOTR) <P>Loses his command of Common Tongue when in a panic (on the Anduin)<P>'_Yrch!_' said Legolas, falling into his own tongue. -- (from FOTR) <P>Is orcist<P>'No other folk make such a trampling,' said Legolas. 'It seems their delight to slash and beat down growing things that are not even in their way.' -- (from TTT) <P>Is occasionally pessimistic<P>Before dawn was in the sky he woke and rose. Gimli was still deep in slumber, but Legolas was standing, gazing northwards into the darkness, thoughtful and silent as a young tree in a windless night.<P>'They are far far away,' he said sadly, turning to Aragorn. 'I know in my heart that they have not rested this night. Only an eagle could overtake them now.' -- (from TTT) <P>'I fear they have passed beyond my sight from hill or plain, under moon or sun,' said Legolas. (from TTT) <P>"Now why did not we wish for some of our own kinsfolk, Legolas?' <P>Legolas stood before the gate and turned his bright eyes away north and east, and his fair face was troubled. 'I do not think that any would come,' he answered. 'They have no need to ride to war; war already marches on their own lands.' -- (from ROTK) <P><BR>Annoys Aragorn<P>'There are three empty saddles, but I see no hobbits,' said Legolas.<P>'I did not say that we should hear good news,' said Aragorn. 'But evil or good we will await it here.' -- (from TTT) <P>Almost succumbs to Tree Thrall:<P>At last the company passed through the trees, and found that they had come to the bottom of the Coomb, where the road from Helm's Deep branched, going one way east to Edoras, and the other north to the Fords of Isen. As they rode from under the eaves of the wood, Legolas halted and looked back with regret. Then he gave a sudden cry. <P>'There are eyes!' he said. 'Eyes looking out from the shadows of the boughs! I never saw such eyes before.' <P>The others, surprised by his cry, halted and turned; but Legolas started to ride back. <P>'No, no!' cried Gimli. 'Do as you please in your madness, but let me first get down from this horse! I wish to see no eyes!' 'Stay, Legolas Greenleaf!' said Gandalf. 'Do not go back into the wood, not yet! Now is not your time.' -- (TTT) <P>Further freaks out an already freaked out Gimli<P>Legolas turning to speak to Gimli looked back and the Dwarf saw before his face the glitter in the Elf's bright eyes. Behind them rode Elladan, last of the Company, but not the last of those that took the downward road.<P>'The Dead are following,' said Legolas. 'I see shapes of Men and of horses, and pale banners like shreds of cloud, and spears like winter-thickets on a misty night. The Dead are following.' -- (ROTK) <P>Would probably prefer to hang-out with his mates than his girlfriend<P>Pure speculation on my part, but I'm probably right. *grin* <P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I dont know about you, but I like it!<p>[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: eleanor_niphredil ]

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Needs to learn a few more choice cuss words:<P>'Ai! ai! ' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come! ' -- (from FOTR) <P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>LOL <P>I always had this image of him running around in circles waving his hands in the air as he said this.

[the real nazgul]

wow this stuff is good! i personally think legolas is strange: "a red sun: blood has been spilt tonight" (or something like that from TTT):<BR>O......K.... complete randomness, elfboy!<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I always had this image of him running around in circles waving his hands in the air as he said this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>lol I like your imagination,HCIsland!<P>one last thing to PigsnieLite : what in your picture thing is crying?

[PigsnieLite]

Whut? Haf you never seen a baby Smaug before? Heheeh.

[Sindae]

I WOULD like legolas to be injured somewhen...after the battle on Amon Hen where Boromir whas killed Aragorn looks TERRIBLY, blood everywhere and his clothes even more ragged than they were before, and Legolas-nothing!<P>The same in TTT, when he "returns from the deaths", after falling down the cliff, he's more dead than alive and his clothes are much much worse now.<P>Why does something similar never happen to Legolas? I think he's too perfect as well...

[Helkahothion]

Sigh,<P>You people just never learn do you?<P>You not-so-polite-towords-elves-people! <BR>Legolas is 2931 years old and Aragorn was only 87 years old. Note the difference? He has had some years to perfect his skill's. And since he fight's most of the time from distance(he has a bow remember? ) it is unlikely to get damaged. And in Melee combat he is very fast and agile. (Don't say no cause he is. He also had a lot of time to practise on that.) So would you just leave the elves be? They are just better than the other races. OK?<P>And about that red sun thing. Elves are the wisesst of all and do have their reasons to say such things. SO than a red sun coming up in Arda should mean that blood is spilled. You should not complain about that.<P>Thank you for listening I rest my case. (for now)<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion<p>[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Helkahothion ]

[PigsnieLite]

Hey, there are ladies in the room, Mr. A!<P>PLitey<BR>Polite ElfBoy

[Lush]

Helk, come off it.<P>Taking this thread seriously is like taking Andy Kaufman seriously.

[Hirilaelin]

Well, Lego got a bit dirty during Helm's Deep in TTT. OMG, he was actually DIRTY!!! But then, observe that in the scene after the battle, he was sparkling clean. Hmmm. Well, at least he was dirty a LITTLE bit. Ever so slightly. Well, maybe not at all.

[Nibinlondwen]

shouldnt we be criticising the bugs when the black rider comes or something like that, that it far from what tolkien wrote, Legolas is extremly much more like in the books, and legolas hair even gets dirty for a while.

[helkahothion]

Hey all,<P>*Anuion takes a deep breath and counts to ten.*<P>If you do not mean this stuff serious then I could start to like you. It's just that I am very fond of elves and don't like them beibg judged with points that are not true. So as long as there is injustice against elves in the world I will do my best to set it straight.<P>Ill try to keep the bad language out because you do not really mean it.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[PigsnieLite]

Well, since youre so serious about elves, Helk, can you tell me whut happens to elfs after they die? Will poor Haldir & his Elven archers just rot like a bananna? Or will they lay there for years in glory undimmed until the breaking of the world? Sniff.

[helkahothion]

Dear PigsnieLite,<P>I got your answer right hear.<P>When Elves die there Fëa (spirit) leaves there body. Their body rot's away. (pitty you could do very fun things with a dead elv.) Their Fëa get's summond by Mandos to.....well uhm Mandos. From there on out they can travel to Valinor and meet up with their relative's. So don't worry. Altough they loose physical form. There spirit will loose non of it's potensie.(Hm that sounds formiliar in a way)<P>I hope this helps.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[PigsnieLite]

Elfen bodies get worm action too? Eeeek! Did Tolky say this? Thats so sad. So will Arwen & Aragorn ever meet in the afterlife since humans & elfs go to different heavens? Where do you get yer info? Whut is the difference between Mandos & Valinor & the Grey havens?

[The Saucepan Man]

Arwen was not an Elf, she was a Half-Elf, like her father. She was therefore able to choose between mortality and immortality. She chose mortality and Aragorn. Presumably, since she did, her Fea when she died went to the same place as Aragorn's (wherever that may be), although not her father's.

[Lord Tohlos]

If Elves are so wise, why did they teach Sauron how to MAKE RINGS OF POWER! I dont care if he came to them under a different name (Lord of Gifts). If they are so wise, they should have been able to see through this. Did they? Noooo. Thats why the whole Ring thing has happened. The Elves TAUGHT SAURON HOW TO MAKE RINGS OF POWER! If thats wise, I would hate to see other wise...

[eleanor_niphredil]

Ah, so it was the elves who did it! No wonder they all skedaddle agross to the Undying Lands at the first sign of battle! At last, someone knew to blame!

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Toblos-Sauron already knew how ot make rings of power. The Elves taught him little, rather it was vice-versa. Only the restless smiths of Eregion listned to Sauron, others including Galdriel, Elornd and Gil-Galad rejected him. read the Osanwe-Kwenta on Elven mind reading, on why they couldn't tell whether Sauron was evil or not.

[helkahothion]

Well here I go again,<P>Valinor:The undying lands and the original home of the firsth elves.<BR>Grey havens:A place in Middle Earth with a harbor closest to Valinor.<BR>Mandos1:The ruler of the land Mandos and the bringer of the elven Fëa's from Arda.<BR>Mandos2:The haven where the elven Fëa's summoned by Mandos arrive.<P>This information is given in the Analog's and several Tolkien Enceclopedia's.<P><B>Inderjit Sanghera </B>: Thank you for explaining. It has prefended me from getting mad at sertain people. And you know that people don't like me mad.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Lyra Greenleaf]

of course legolas is perfect, hes an elf- thats the essence of their beings! he's supposed to be perfect, a little dirt is one thing but what do you want? why should he get injured, its not in the book? do you think you could do a better story than tolkien cos youre annoyed with orlando bloom?

[eleanor_niphredil]

No no no, not injured as such. Not seriously. Just a near-miss, if you get my meaning, would be good enough. and we have nothing against Orlando. Wishing hurt on a character is one thing, but a person is another.

[Hirilaelin]

I LOVED the list of Legolas's flaws. No elf is perfect after all! "Further freaks out Gimli", "Annoys Aragorn", "Needs to learn a few more cuss words." lol I think that in the movie, he is so much better. Besides, he's hot too! <P>~Hirilaelin<P>P.S. RATE ME PLEASE! <BR> <p>[ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: Hirilaelin ]

[eleanor_niphredil]

One thing that we dont get in the movie is that even though he is much much older than most others in the fellowship, he is still a young elf. Judging on the 144 elf-years to one human year, he would be roughly 20 years old.

[cannedpoatoe]

Legolas is awsome! but....he needs to smile and help out more. Although I do admire his combat skills....lol

[helkahothion]

Hmph,<P>*grit's his teeth and tries to say nothing*<P>About that lack of speech with that Yrch thing.<P>It is not that he suffer's from a lack of Westron, he just usses his own word. What if you are (for example) English. Then you would not talk German to yourself now would you?<P>(Hm failed again)<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Lord Tohlos]

Toblos? Who the hell is that? I know what Ive read. The smiths taught him how to make them, and he in had a hand in making the Seven and the Nine.

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Sorry LORD TOHLOS-Toblos was a typo by me in repling to you. The Elves taught him nothing-he taught them, him being one of the most powerful of Aule's Maia. It was all his idea, in order to ensnare the Elves. He INSTRUCTED them on how to make the rings. <P>Appendix B; Tale of years;Second age<P>1500: The elven smiths, instructed by Sauron reach the hight of their skill. They begin forging the rings of power.<BR>Oh, and Helkahothion-Namo was the right name of 'Mandos', which are the name of his halls, they were not havens.<p>[ January 23, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

[PsYcHo Me]

Legolas ROCKS!!!! And also, he collects his arrows back after he uses them...I kept asking my friends this, and they (WHo know just about everything there is to know about Middle Earth) said that he uses shorts swords or wateva when he's out of arrows, then he runs around, collecting them again.

[*Anuion*]

Yes,<P>Youre right Psycho me. Legolas has 2 large elvisch daggers. I the fellowship you can see him backslashing an Orc in the Mines of Moria. Just love that scene.<P>Oh and Hirilaelin you don't ask people to rate you. Rating is not something you do because someone asks you to. It's something you do because you admire him.<BR>Wait your turn, you will be rated someday.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Dimannûnien]

Even if Legolas does collect his arrows I should love to know how he doesn't run out during a battle. Or does he just stop and say "Sorry, just fetching my arrows, don't kill me", then find them and start shooting again? Perhaps Galadriel gave him a bottomless quiver. If you find out who sells them let me know. <P>

[Finnguala]

Lol, I kept wondering about those arrows, too.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> her Fea when she died went to the same place as Aragorn's (wherever that may be) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Aww, that's nice...

[helkahothion]

Well,<P>He just shoots a few arrows, grabs his knifes killes a few orc's with them, then gatheres arrows from dead Orc's or Dead Others with arrow's. Filles his quiver and shoots a couple more. <P>Not too hard now is it?<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

But wouldnt he get killed while he was hunting for arrows?

[helkahothion]

No he wouldn't,<P>That's what the knifes are for. DUH! <P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Tar-Palantir]

At Helm's Deep there were many Elven archers on the battlements, meaning there were probably/theoretically (since we never see such a thing) also stores of arrows present.<P>The problem with "I'm just gonna go pickup some arrows now" is that 1) Legolas' arrows are quite a distance so he would be picking up Uruk-hai arrows if anything 2) Uruk's used the <B>crossbow</B> at Helm's Deep, and crossbow bolts are fundamentally different in size, shape, weight from those of a longbow, practically unusable. If the Uruk's did use a bow more like Lurtz in FotR, can you picture those arrows on Legolas' bow? I would think he would have a hard time being so 'perfect' with those. <P>That is the problem with making Legolas' shooting perfect - it's unbelievable. Always a heart shot or a head shot? And except for 'olympic-runner-uruk' they ALL drop with one arrow -So how come it took 3 of Lurtz's mammoth shots to down Boromir? I can see the 3 to take out Boromir, if in turn it takes more damage to bring those big, bad Uruks to collapse. Not one-shot-kills from those tiny arrows Legolas uses, with such a nonexistant head/bard that he can use them like skinny daggers, sheesh.<P>And the Horse thing....blecchhh... and just previous to that when he shoots his first shot at the Wargs, he kills the rider and the Warg with ONE shot! Not one shot each, ONE shot...<P>That Legolas... <P>[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]<p>[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Finnguala]

Dear Helk,<P>You may be wise, Master Elf, but you sound a little arrogant to me. You can be nicer, you know.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You stupid f*ck's! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Doesn't sound very Elvish to me, does it...

[Helkahothion]

Well I believe I already appolagized for that,<P>If not than sorry anyway. And about Helm's Deep. There where a lot of the defenders that used longbow's and Legolas did have all those years to practise. You say that it is impossible or inhuman. Well DUH he issn't human. It would take a man 500 years to shoot like that. And a man doesn't have the time. He does. So that explains it. You should not be rooting so deep. Aragorn kill's every creature with one single stab does he? <P>Oh and about that Boromir thing. Boromir is just a lot tougher than Uruk-Hai's. The firsth shot took him to his knees and that one was in the shoulder. The second shot was in the hip. Legolas shoot's them in the gut's. Note the difference?<P>Well I rest my case for now.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Finnguala]

Ok sorry Helk,<P>I think I sounded a bit arrogant too...

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Many men were as good as Elves in archery. Turin for one, and the Numenoreans were also said to be great archers, becuase in their early days they made few swords. I suppose archery wasn't Aragron's speciality.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Plus this was never meant to be a serious thread. I still hold the opinion that in the next movie, Legolas should loose a little blood, or walk into a wall (I can picture it now).

[helkahothion]

Ahw well,<P>I know that this is not a serious tread. You just had the bad luck of getting a huge Elv fan on it to defend their dignetie. And besides, Legolas could see that wall miles away. <P>Maybe he can be drop kicked by a Hobbit when having a little fun. They got Boromir down so why not Legolas right? I can life witht that. HAHAHAHA I just had a flash in my head of Pippin kicking Legolas down afther Legolas tought him swordfighting and hurtet his hand. That would be funny.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

Why ait for him to teach them sword fighting? What about from behind *grins a shockingly evil grin*?<P>

[helkahothion]

You meany,<P>*Run's out sobbing and cries like a little child*<P>Well it would be funny anyhow. Hahahahaahahahahaa. Legolas actualy saying ouch. H, I think I'm starting to understand you people. Still you don't come up with stuff I can understand <B>completely</B>.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

Legolas saying ouch? What about those wonderful new swear words we had him learn earlier?

[eleanor_niphredil]

If you think I'm mean, try Legolas hangman!<BR> <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/static/games/lotr_bathtime/index.stm" TARGET=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/static/games/lotr_bathtime/index.stm</A> <P>Okay, he doesnt actualy get hanged, just a little wet. And its harder than youd think.

[Tar-Palantir]

Thanks eleanor, it was fun to douse the pretty boy. I think the "hang-hobbit" on the barrow-downs is much more difficult, have you tried it?

[eleanor_niphredil]

yeah, it kind of looses its fun when you have to work so hard.

[Helkahothion]

*shivers*<P>Oeoeoeoewh. Low, really low.<P>The graphics are crappy, but it's funny. Your right. It's not too hard. Just get it wrong and let that freak in hte tub take the shower. That guy was me right? Well it already makes me happy to see me in the bathtub with Orlando Bloom <BR>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

If that was me, then I need a face lift.<P>How can one person simultaniously be me and you?<P>Two males in a bathtub?<P>Why are they both fully dressed?

[Helkahothion]

Well,<P>That's because I dragged Legolas in. .<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Shy Hobbit]

Poor Legolas...but I'll admit some of this thread has been funny...now I have a picture of him running in circles with flailinig arms "Ai! Ai! A Balrog!" <P>This picture was kinda funny...and look, he's dirty! (I know it's from behind the scenes pics but hey, I do what I can) <P><BR>

[eleanor_niphredil]

Shy Hobbit, add a little dress and pigtails. Are you scarred for life yet?

[chippydog]

legolas is the coolest and by far my faveret charecter <P>`~`chaleng`~`<P>i chaleng you people to convince why legolas is stupid at all

[eleanor_niphredil]

challenge accepted. Read the list on page two.

[Helkahothion]

Ohw my god,<P>That is such a lovely picture. Nothing discusting about that. Just two pretty men Hugging eichother. Does anyone have the xxx version of that?<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Inderjit Sanghera]

"legolas is the coolest and by far my faveret charecter <BR>`~`chaleng`~`<P>i chaleng you people to convince why legolas is stupid at all" <P>In the book, Legolas can sometimes be silly and immature, which can be interpreted as stupid. Though ,he was still pretty young for a Elf in LoTR.<p>[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

[Helkahothion]

I join forces with Inderjit Sanghera,<P>I would like your points on why he is stupid. I will go against them all. Go ahead: Bring it on.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuoin

[eleanor_niphredil]

For one thing, in the film, he always carries his bow in his hand, whilst Aragorn has his on his back. Did he forget his bow holder or something? Stupid elf...

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Errr.....I'm not siding with the Legolas is cool thing, I 'm trying to say he is stupid.

[helkahothion]

hmph,<P>*trows a vaze at Inderjit Sanghera*<P>Legolas is not stupid you meanies. Go pick on Aragorn or something. <P>Greetings<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

Aragorn? Wheres the fun in that?

[helkahothion]

Well,<P>Since Aragorn get's hurt he must be the stupid one. Human's are pathetic anyway. Always cocky and curious. No strong will. Except for Faramir and Aragorn, but those two are exception's.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Hirilaelin]

<----------------<<< Arrow for all those who disagree with Helkahothion. KAPWING! <P>And I carry my bow in my hand, especially in a middle of a fierce fight. Bows in hands! <P>Of course, my primary weapon is a quarterstaff, but....<P>~Hirilaelin<BR>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hirilaelin ]<P>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hirilaelin ]<p>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hirilaelin ]

[eleanor_niphredil]

my primary weapon is a big stick, preferably with something rather spiky on the end.<P>Can i have my arrow through the heart?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Hey! Aragron rules! Legolas at times, annoys me.

[Hirilaelin]

<B>Aragron</B>? lol!<P>~Hirilaelin, Sorceress of the Misted Waters<P><BR>Oh... <----------------<<< KAPWING for you!<p>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Hirilaelin ]

[eleanor_niphredil]

When you next see the movie, watch Legolas as Gimli is saying "This is no rabble of mindless orcs. These are Uruk-hai" etc. He seems to have a very un legolas look on his face, very Orlando. Perhaps he didnt see the camera?<P>by the way, I saw him trip up. I laughed out loud and really startled the couple in front!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

<P>Lots of off-topic personal remarks on this thread - please stay on-topic if you would like the thread to stay open!

[Helkahothion]

Lady's and Gentleman,<P>Violence is not an option. If you just talk people and confinse them of your point, then you have accomplished a lot more. But if they don't listen and keep bringing up stupid comment's that are not true, then you probably just should shoot them. <P>I disagree about Legolas being annoying and stupid. I would like you to bring up your reason's why you think that and then I will defend the honor of Legolas.<P>I chalenge you.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Tar-Palantir]

Hey, if Arwen AND Eowyn both fall for Aragorn...<P>...what's that say about pretty-boy Legolas? Why does he have to prove himself with these bloody orc killing competitions with Gimli? How childish...

[Shy Hobbit]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>what's that say about pretty-boy Legolas? Why does he have to prove himself with these bloody orc killing competitions with Gimli? How childish... <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well at least he's killing orcs and not off in some remote corner of the forest making out with his girlfriend

[Hirilaelin]

I agree with Shy Hobbit. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well at least he's killing orcs and not off in some remote corner of the forest making out with his girlfriend <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> lol! <P>~Hirilaelin, Sorceress of the Misted Waters

[eleanor_niphredil]

* at this point I would like to remind you that although I have shown signs in the past of hating Legolas and being a little murderous when it comes to him, I really do like his character. He is my second favourite character after Pippin.*

[Helkahothion]

Hurra,<P>Go shy Hobbit. I agree. Legolas and Gimli are having fun and Aragorn could not even save Haldir. Fine king if you can't even save a man 10 feet away from you. He was struck down. And what does Aragorn do? He watches with his open eyes and does nothing. <P>Explain that to me you not-so-nice-to-elf-people.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[doug*platypus]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Further freaks out an already freaked out Gimli <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Great call! At least we know he has a sense of humour. After all, the ghosts of men didn't bother him. "Look Gimli! Dead people!" Maybe we'll get to see more of Legolas the comedian in ROTK.<P>Legolas is NOT stupid. Far from it. He recognises Crebain from Dunland, and he knows about Aragorn's true lineage before it is revealed to most of the others. Even JRR Tolkien would have been surprised, I think, at how much Legolas does know.

[Tar-Palantir]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Explain that to me you not-so-nice-to-elf-people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Aragorn wasn't on the battlement silly, he was behind it on the ground. He is the one who informed Halidir to fallback. When he saw that poor Haldir had fallen, he ran back up the stairs to reach him. Very brave!! Where was Legolas? Where was anyone else? Aragorn was the only one that cared... <P>And by the way, It's not "Not-so-nice-to-ELF-people"<BR>its "Not-so-nice-to-LEGOLAS-people"

[Helkahothion]

Hm,<P>Legolas was probably busting some Urûk-Hai's. And I guess your right. Aragorn is a good warrior. I was about to take those word's back. But you where before me. I like every character so if someone makes a stupid Aragorn tread I will be on the front lines to defend him aswell. It's just that Legolas is played by Orlanda Bloom and he's an elf. I always had a thing with elves. That's what makes him extra special.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He is the one who informed Halidir to fallback. When he saw that poor Haldir had fallen, he ran back up the stairs to reach him <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I other words, Haldir "fell back" in every sense of the words. <P>And I dont literaly mean stupid as in unintelligent. Just stupid , lacking a better word.

[Helkahothion]

Well,<P>I would think that it is very good of you if you can stand up staight with a broad axe sticking out of your back <P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Tar-Palantir]

Ok, I admit it! I like Legolas! In a strictly quasi-platonic, non-idolatrous fashion mind you... <P>In an effort to fully come clean from Legolas bashing I will share what I enjoy regarding (movie) Legolas - most assuredly #1 on the list is his hair, followed by his bravery, then his loyalty. His loyalty comes last because of his balk at Helm's Deep. <P>Immaculate grooming and a blonde wig, a seemingly unbeatable combination, whether you live in Third Age of ME or the Seventh...<P><BR>Cheers Helkahothion <p>[ February 01, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Purple Monkey]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (Lord of Gifts) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p><BR>Lord of Gifts, eh...Santa Claus! Who wouldn't trust dear Santa! My, I can just see the Dark Lord, all kitted out in red and white, holding his sack of toys for all the good little elves!<BR><p><BR>Purple "Still in the Christmas Spirit" Monkey <BR><p><BR>Alright, it was random. And stupid.

[Duncariel]

Since we're spending most of our time "defending" Legolas, isn't he the one who saved (in the movie) Aragorn, when he was "grappling" with one of the Uruk-Hai? He also caught Boromir and kept him from falling off of the stairs in Moria, even though the two had shared choice words in Rivendell.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Duncariel, you have caused me to bring up a new topic, one for all you Legolas Lovers out there.<P><B>why is it that Legolas saves the life of practicly every member of the fellowship at least once, and yet, never so much as a thank you?</B><P>And by the way, Santa Claus is evil.

[the guy who be short]

santa claus is evil?<BR>u must be confused<BR>and when does legolas save sam? or pippin, or merry, or frodo, or gimli or gandalf?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I think he/she may have been joking about Legolas saving everyones life. <P>And the robotic Santa Clause in Futurama is evil.

[luin'loki]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He is a stupid elf because...well...he is!So there! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>maybe your the stupid one.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...how does he do those little plaits at the back of his head every day?Is this another elf power I've never heard of... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Maybe you've heard of it,A <B>WIG</B>!! Dur!!

[Helkahothion]

Well,<P>He only saved Gandalf, Aragorn and Boromir. It's just because he can think clear in difficult situations. Boromir did not. He almost ran over a clif. And Aragorn get's grabbed by an Uruk. What does he do? He beats his helmet for god's sake. What use is that? He could better punch him in the stomach. That would do a lot more damage. And they call Legolas stupid. <P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[Dimannûnien]

He saved Gimli too, on the stairway at Moria. It was just after Gimli said 'nobody tosses a dwarf' and jumped. He was on the edge of the stairs and Legolas grabbed him by the beard to pull him to safety.

[eleanor_niphredil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> maybe your the stupid one<BR> Maybe you've heard of it,A WIG!! Dur!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>God, I was JOKING! And if you can't see that, then that is your problem.<P>Legolas kind of saves Merry and Pippin when he kills the cave troll. Without him, it would have killed them.

[Purple Monkey]

Inderjit:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And the robotic Santa Clause in Futurama is evil. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p><BR>Robotic Santa rocks my world. <BR><p><BR>Think for a moment everyone; what is the difference between "perfect" and "stupid"? Ahuh. Perhaps this thread should be titled "Perfect yet irritatingly Mary-Sueish Elf".<BR><p><BR>Legolas is alright. Not much of a character, though. The only helpful thing I can remember him doing (in canon) was shooting the Nazgul's steed and singing. A lot. Can anyone prove he has a personality?<BR><p><BR>I can recite the Lay of Nimrodel by heart! Go me!

[helkahothion]

As you have just proven,<P>He has saved several of the Fellow ship. In the Book, he also kill's a lot of Uruk-Hai's in Helm's Deep. And Gimli went into the path of the death, because he could not stand the Idea that an Elf went somewhere a dwarf did not dare. So without him, Gimli might not even have gone to Gondor.<P>He has personalety alright. He sings a song because he is sad over Boromi's death. He also has jearnings for the ocean.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion<P>P.S. Relax everybody, it's just for fun. (Yeah right, I should say)

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I think all Elves-maybe even Avari had a yearning for the Ocean. How that adds to his personailty I don't know.<P>I like Legolas, but I am, at times annoyed when soem people go on about "Orlie" and some even say he is the greatest Elf ever. (I don't think I've seen anyone on this board say that though.)

[helkahothion]

We finaly agree,<P>He is cool, but not the gratest. Many elves can do what he can. Those leggybopper's should die and go to hell.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[ainalanthirwen]

hey guys..<BR>well..i know i'm new..but i'd like to comment on elves-are-so-perfect thing too..can't seem to fan off the desire..i agree with himaran about why legolas didn't get hurt easily..he got to maintain a certain distance with his enemy!and a very far distance at that..he's a great archer!<P>and on the never-ran-out-of-arrows thing..he's an elf..of course there's some mystical powers involved..why do you think elves use bows and arrows?remember the batallion?because they know they will never ran out of arrows..so there!

[Pookabunny]

I know Elves are all special in Middle Earth and all, but I don't think they have control over PHYSICS. <P>Arrows don't kill and then return to the archer. It doesn't happen in the books and THANK GOODNESS it don't happen in the films.<P>Did anyone else see that the Elves in the Helm's Deep Battle had like 5 arrows, each? And that their swords were curved and narrow, and other elven-made blades (like Sting and Glamdring) tapered off in a leaf-design? hmmmm....<P>And Legolas' arrows in the films were CGI. I'm a big fan of Legolas, but I'm not one to call him almighty or all-powerful. Yea, he's great in the movies. Yea, he's great in the books. BUT Orly's good looks do NOT MAKE HIM the mighty warrior that Tolkien's words did. So to all those who say that he's a master archer and all that - the arrows that he shot were CGI.<P>I'd like that Legolas' credentials were admired more than his looks. Or that cool thing he does on the horse in TTT.<p>[ February 05, 2003: Message edited by: Pookabunny ]

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I prefer the evil (well for Elves), kick *** Elves, like Feanor. The Noldor ruled. A perfect example of 'perfect Elves' were the Vanyar, who were boring. Very boring.

[helkahothion]

I agree Pookabunny,<P>I admire him for his battle skill's. I always had a thing with bow and arrows. If you continue this, than you can start calling Robin Hood stupid aswell if you get me. Legolas is just a wonderful character and the looks are just an extra. Altough Viggo issn't ugly asswel. I like the ruggy outdoorsy type.<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[helkahothion]

Oops forgot some thing,<P>Dear ainalanthirwen:<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> well..i know i'm new..but i'd like to comment on elves-are-so-perfect thing too..can't seem to fan off the desire.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What does that matter my child? It's not that you have to stay at the novices and newcomers until you are a wight or something. Feel free to enter anywhere. Just remember that your opinion counts, as long as it is based on something. Unless your on the Middle-Earth mayhem tread ofcaurse .<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

I think that the main problem is that the movie Legolas is so much unlike the book Legolas. What do you guys think?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

We really didn't get to know book Legolas very much. I prefer the book one anyway.

[Helkahothion]

Just to clear up the arrow thing,<BR> <BR>Look in the boat. Legolas carries extra's<P>Greetings,<P>Anuion

[eleanor_niphredil]

Ah, so thats how he did it! Tricksy elf!<P>*goes away and hisses quietly for a while*

[Tar-Palantir]

Great picture! But he wasn't carrying all those arrows on the race across Rohan or when he came to Edoras. It would have been cool if he had been given some kind of device for carrying them.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Bring back Bill the Pony!

[Dain]

Here's my question: if Legolas is such a great fighter (and he is, but even more so in the movie than the book), and if most elves are as amazing as him (as Anuion says, and probably rightly so) then why didn't the addition of those Lorien elves to the battle at Helm's Deep make those 10,000 orcs run away in fear. I mean, I think it would have, but for some reason, every elf bar Legolas and the rest of the talking ones is a silent, stare-straight-ahead robot! Even I think that's a bit unfair, and I'm a dwarf...

[eleanor_niphredil]

I think that the fact that they are so robotic is what makes them so scary. Perhaps Peter Jackson wanted the audience to see how dangerous and scary they really were, rather than the ultimate peace loving mystical beings that we see in FOTR.<P>However, i to have a bone to pick with the elves at Helms Deep. How come none of them ride out to meet the orcs? Are they to damn scardy cat? Or are we supposed to believe that every elf but Legolas died?

[Calliope and Linus S. Underhill.]

I'm almost positive that all he carried around is hair-care products the movie Legolas is way too cool and sarcastic, I like the book's girly Legolas better. because he's more girly. Sam's not girly enough in the movie, either.<P>I prefer hobbits. I'm the only girl on the planet who thinks hairy hobit feet are ADORABLE! My heart races just thinking about them. I was very disappointed when the feet weren't hairy enough. Say, do you think hairy feet make male hobbits feel more masculine? I can imagine female hobbits looking at the guy's feet and going, "Ooh, I want a piece of that!" And hobbits in their tweens making fun of others but saying their feet aren't hairy enough. But maybe I'm just a psycho. Hee hee! Wait, this is a Legolas board, huh? Whoops. *thinks about hairy feet anyway*<p>[ February 15, 2003: Message edited by: Calliope and Linus S. Underhill. ]

[Hirilaelin]

WHAT DO YOU <B>MEAN</B>? Well, in my opinion, Legolas in the movie is quite good, he should not be girly. And Sam was perfect. Hmph. *goes away muttering*<P>Hiri

[Tar-Palantir]

He is not 'girly', he is effeminate... <P><B>Elanor</B> - the elves did not bring any horses with them.

[Dain]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>How come none of them ride out to meet the orcs? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They seemed to be all dead at that point. Robotic and incompetant--see what I mean?

[Arwen Evenstar]

Come on you guys, leave the poor guy alone.(Though Aragorn is my favorite Legolas comes 3rd, after Sam.) But I guess I agree. Sometimes you just want him to do something stupid.