Elrond... What Happened?

[Ibun_Clawarrow]

Personally, I was horrified to see how Elrond was portrayed in FOTR. He didn't look anything like I imagined, more like he was a Vulcan from Star Trek. While I had problems with the way other characters looked (noticably, Aragon, too young looking), Elrond is the only one I really feel very strongly about. Does anyone else feel like this?

[Araen]

Don't get me started on Elrond.... he just scares me.....

[Amanaduial the archer]

actually i watched the matrix about 2 weeks b4 i saw lotr the 2nd time and whenever i looked at elrond, he was so...evil!i meanhe was 2 badguy-esk,if u get me...no?never mind...<BR>most of the characters i thought were portrayed brilliantly tho...<BR>frodo-elijah wood was made to be a hobbit!<BR>merry-not the obvious choice at first sight, but in the film....wow!<BR>pippin-billy boyd was also made to be a hobbit!he was even better a pippin than i could hav imagined,my fave character in the book and film, and his accent gave something extra to it as well.<BR>aragorn-perfect,which i was glad about becoz on the tape he sounds evil!<BR>elrond-*shudder*<BR>arwen-quite good,but to soppy.she didnt seem elfy enough!<BR>sam-good.not big enuff to analyze really.<BR>bilbo-perfect.<BR>gandalf-was givn to big a part.in the book,frodo was quite obviously the main character,buti mean ian mckellan was nominated 4 best leading actor in the BAFTAs!<BR>saruman-great and strong lead baddy.<BR>gimli-ok now dont even get me started.the dwarves annoyed me in the books at the best of times,and in the film it was even worse.<BR>legolas-good.dont mean to start a war,but he seemed to hobble a bit on the snow!1 thing i thought he pulled off very well was the elvish speaking,which he did very well,smoothly and fluently,unlike arwen.gave the aura of elfiness.<BR>boromir-also perfect,exactly how i would hav imagined from the book.<BR>lol<BR>amy

[Aroaraniel]

I agree completely. But even in the books Elrond scared me. He's just plain CREEPY.

[Alcarinque]

I thought I was the only one who had pictured Elrond different... I agree he's creepy either way, but he is CREEPIER in the movie (nothng personal against Hugo Weaving, whom I admire) he looks EVIL

[Birdland]

Yes, Elrond was definitely not a "pretty" elf. But I kinda appreciated the difference of him. Hugo Weaving was definitely cast against type, but at least you could tell him apart from the other elves. (Personally, I thought Haldir looked kinda creepy; too polished and neo-nazi-elf for my taste.)<P>P.S. - The fact that Elrond looked kinda like Phil Alvin of the Blasters has nothing to do with my decision. <p>[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

[Maikadilwen]

OK, now I'm probably going to get weird looks, but I really think that Elrond is cute. Especially in armor. You know...guys in uniforms, right???

[Arwen Imladris]

Every one did an amazing job. I thought that Elrond looked evil, and I couldn't look at him without thinking of the matrix, and I've only seen the matrix once. Wasn't Boromir supposed to have dark hair?? Merry and Pippin looked and acted to much alike. Aragorn I thought was good, ya, in the books he is 80, but he also lived to be really old, and besides, he is one of the main heros, he had to be cute! Frodo was perfect as was Legolas and Gandalf and Saruman.

[Raefindel]

It was more than just his looks (which, I agree, were too wicked-looking). He was portrayed as being BITTER and ANGRY, not the wise and kindly Elf-Lord of the books.[

[Ibun_Clawarrow]

Personally I did see Elrond as being more "pretty". Not quite so battlescarred and more of a benevolent figure. I also thought that Arwen didn't come off well either, but that's another topic. I actually liked the movie, but I'm just a stickler for detail, I guess. This would be a hard movie to make, since the characters are so otherworldly, but oh well.

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

I like Hugo Weaving, and I didn't find him creepy. I thought he had the look of someone with much wisdom.

[Neferchoirwen]

Yay! I'm not the only one who LIKES ELrond! *thanks Maikadilwen*<BR>I liked Elrond. Probably a lot of you don't like based on the context of The Matrix. I accidentally saw The Matrix on the bus on my way home, and I ended up liking Elrond after thinking so much about LotR.<BR>*compliments the same sentiments to Tigelily*<BR> <p>[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Neferchoirwen ]

[Kalimac]

I don't know, I rather liked it that Elrond wasn't pretty - personally the Last Homely House seems a little more homelike for outsiders if all the natives aren't impossibly beautiful. I never pictured Elrond as being particularly pretty, though - not ugly or anything, just more solemn and full of knowledge than anything else. And while I have seen "The Matrix" for some reason or other the Agent Elrond thing didn't bother me at all. Watching the way Weaving acted Elrond took me away from the Agent Smith associations pretty quickly.

[Mayla Took]

You know, I didn't like the look of Elrond eather. The first time I saw him I was like <BR>"Oh no! Don't eat me!" I think it was just the hair and makeup. I believe they could have made him look less evil. Maybe by covering up the baggs under his eyes and speaking of eyes, he could have used some tinted conacts! Green would have been good. I just think it was the makup and hair that made him seem sinister.

[Eärendil]

Actually, I thought Elrond was good...I like him, and I think he managed to look very wise and "Elrond-ish". <BR>Though, he does feel a bit creepy, I often think about The Matrix.... <BR>I think most of the actors were just perfect! Especially Ian McKellen, Billy Boyd, Sean Bean, Sean Astin and Orlando Bloom... They looked exactly liked I had imagined Gandalf, Pippin, Boromir, Sam and Legolas. Elijah Wood was very good too. And Haldir! (dunno the actor´s name) Wow.. <BR>But Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchett....nah. They were good, but no more, not how I had imagined Arwen and Galadriel.

[Niltaurwen]

i agree with Arwen Ilandris that merry and pippen were too alike i know people who cant tell whos who!! but i liked all the cast exept Galadriel (cate blanchett) i think they did a wonderfull job!! and i love love love lotr!!!!

[Haldir]

I had a problem with Elrond when I've just<BR>seen the movie for the first time, I remembered<BR>him from the Matrix (Agent Smith) and it was<BR>really annoying, but when I've seen it for the<BR>third time, or even the forth time, I was already<BR>used to it and now he seems fit for the role.

[Lomelinde]

Ack! Leave Elrond alone! I thought he was very well portrayed in the movie. I thought he looked very elvish, even if not incredibly pretty. Oh, and Birdland, I liked Haldir, thank you very much, but the neo-Nazi elf thing made me laugh anyways.

[ElanorGamgee]

I liked Elrond in the movie. The only portrayal that I really don't like is that of Arwen. Too many corny lines.

[Lhunbelethiel]

I liked Elrond, too, especially in the armor, when he screams to rally the troops! <P> <P>The eyebrows were a bit Spock-y but I thought he was good.

[Vinyamarien]

Hey everybody, stop calling Elrond creepy! He isn't!!! Elrond has always been my favourite character in the book and he still is after I saw the movie. Ok, I have to admitt that I was shocked when I heart that Hugo Weaving (who I adore much!) was supposed to play Elrond, cos I was afraid that everybody would think of Agent Smith only. Actually, many people did think of Agent Smith (I was told, when he said "You've but one choice", everybody expected him to add "Mr. Anderson!"), but nonetheless I think Mr. Weaving did a great job! Ok, Elrond was a bit bitter when he talked to Gandalf about the human race, but for god's sake, after some thousand years, allow him some sarcasm!!! And he looked like the perfect wise elf lord when he healed Frodo and did you see his mild smile when he talked to Sam at the end of the council? (This "It seems hard to seperate you from him, even..."- stuff). Damn, I adore Elrond, thanks to Hugo Weaving! <P>Vinya<P>P.S.: Sorry for the bad English, but I'm German and it's pretty late...<p>[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Vinyamarien ]

[greyhavener]

I liked Elrond too. He had the look of someone who had fought ancient battles and seen the world get worse and worse around him. I always imagined of Elrond as Gandalf's contemporary rather than Legolas'. In my opinion Hugo Weaving pulled that off.

[Neferchoirwen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In my opinion Hugo Weaving pulled that off. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah. Hugo Weaving did quite well for Elrond. He was calm in spite of the gravity of the problem, and he was wise in handling the counsel.<P>What I'm curious about Elrond is, how was he as a father to Arwen?

[Midgardsormen]

I liked Elrond too!! His hair-do was a bit unusual at the council , but I thought he was VERY nice in the battle scenes. Of course, I did not see The Matrix (started to, but decided this was not my kind of movie). I have seen him in other things, but luckily I am one of those people that live myself into movies, and never think about 'the actor'...I might contemplate it afterwards, but not while the movie is playing. I always say Elrond as being very wise and skilled at healing, but he was not a nice warm fuzzy teddybear type

[Maikadilwen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> did you see his mild smile when he talked to Sam at the end of the council? (This "It seems hard to seperate you from him, even..."- stuff). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He he, yes and the look on his face when Merry and Pippin suddenly popped up as well. Like, "What, two more? Where did THEY come from???? Sooooo cute. <p>[ April 09, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ]

[KingCarlton]

Elrond's was one of the best casting in this movie along with Saruman. The others could have been cast better.<BR>Hugo Weaving is perfect as the elf lord.<BR>Intense, uptight and regal. <BR>Some of you seem to think that all elves should look pretty and dainty. <BR>I beg to differ entirely with that.<P>Know Peace.<P>

[Raefindel]

I think they could have chosen someone who had a good deal more hair, or should I say a good deal less forehead. His receding hairline is one of the major flaws in his appearance. <P>Another is his complete lack of a smile. Someone who's lips were in a natural smile instead of a straight line would have helped a lot, too.<P>And Yes, Lomelinde, Birdland can always make me laugh, too.

[Midgardsormen]

How can you say they should have chosen someone with more hair and a hairline that did not start so far back....they were all wearing wigs, and if the hairline is that far back I would think it was because PJ wanted it that far back. Of course I could be wrong, but I thought the wigmakers could really make any type of wig look real?? Legolas had a MOHAWK under that beautiful blond wig

[Nuranar]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hugo Weaving is perfect as the elf lord.<BR>Intense, uptight and regal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I>Exactly</I> what I was thinking, KingCarlton. Somehow I could never visualize Elrond as the genial, benevolent host of Rivendell. The majesty and power and ancient wisdom he seemed to project in the movie awed me and actually caused me to admire him. As for him sounding bitter about Men, as Vinyamarien said, he's seen the race of men decline into weakness. When he said "Men are weak" I too kind of cringed (being of the race of Man) but it's true; there was really no longer a great kingdom with which the Elves could ally themselves, with which they could be wholly one in purpose.<P>Yes, Lhunbelethiel, I loved seeing him in battle! It is also a way to keep him from being seen as the elf-lord who's day is past. To see what he has done and what he knows...it just fills me with awe.<P>And for someone who's been around as long as he had and seen as much pain and grief as he had, I can certainly understand him being somewhat "gloomy." I've read the Silmarillion only once (I'm intending to read it again...but AFTER finals!) but it certainly made <I>me</I> feel a bit gloomy.<P>I don't really know, this is just my two cents. But Elrond never struck me as being creepy; he struck me as majestic, sad, and full of wisdom. I actually liked him a lot!

[Nevfeniel]

Hee hee, whenever I watch <I>The Matrix</I>, I think "And in a few years, this killing machine plays an elf. . ."

[Ibun_Clawarrow]

I guess the problem with trying to do a movie like this is that there's no real way you can cast regular people to play indivuduals who are semi-divine (well not really, but I guess on the sliding scale you have Illuvater, the Valar, the Maiar and then the Elves, much closer to the divine than Men). The movie just can't compare to what you imagine in your mind. Speaking of which, the MAD magazine parody of LOTR spoke exactly to this I think. The Galadriel character says something to the extent of, "My name is Goloodriel and I'm the wisest elf on earth! That's why I'm always backlit like someone in a feminine hygiene commercial!" That just speaks to how you can't really get the right effects with a movie (and it's just hilarious!!! At least I think so).

[Thinhyandoiel]

Indeed, when I first saw the movie I nearly jumped out my seat when I saw who Elrond was. I <I>did</I> keep expecting to hear "Mr. Anderson" but now, after seeing it a few more times, the roles are reversed! He's no longer Agent Smith, He's Elrond and that's that! Whenever I see the Matrix, I now expect him to say "Mr.Baggins"!! <P>So yeah, I thought Weaving did a superb job! And his Elvish was great! Plus, he did too smile! Like, when he first appeared to Frodo, and he said: "Welcome to Rivendell, Frodo Baggins"<p>[ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: Thinhyandoiel ]

[Neferchoirwen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hugo Weaving is perfect as the elf lord.<BR>Intense, uptight and regal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, I say Amen to that as well!

[Olo Gamwich]

We've been.... watching you....for quite some time...Mr. Anderson<BR> <- this guy is watching Mr. Anderson

[alien270]

I had no problems w/ any of the cast because I saw the movie before I read the books. I guess I could comment better when TTT and ROTK come out. BTW, on the back cover of TTT (the new one w/ Saruman from the movie on the cover) is that a picture of Eowyn? I couldn't figure out who it was and she seems like the most likely choice.

[Vinyamarien]

Yes, the woman between Frodo and Aragorn is Eowyn!

[Aralaithiel]

Don't dis my daddy!!!!!<BR>Hugo was EXCELLENT as Elrond. He nailed the portrayal of one of my favortie characters of LOTR besides Legolas (and I loved Legolas LONG BEFORE Orladno Bloom played him!)!<BR>And no, surpirsingly I did not immediately expect to hear any Matrix-type lines coming from Hugo as he portrayed Elrond.<BR>Way to go Hugo!!!!!

[NinjaFerret]

Heh. And you all thought "Agent Smith." Go and watch "Priscilla Queen of the Desert." THEN go watch the Matrix. Agent Smith is nothing compared to Hugo Weaving in this flick. Then watch LotR again. You will see Elrond. Don't worry, "Priscilla" will clear up any misconception that Weaving is typecast in ANY movie. Heh heh heh hehhhh... I await your reactions. <P>May your luck exceed the stench of your oxters.

[Maikadilwen]

He was BRILLIANT in "Priscilla". Just gotta love him....

[Aralaithiel]

OH yeah!!!! He IS a great actor!!!!!

[Keeper of the Feet of Melkor]

Elrond frightened me

[galadwen29]

i totally agree here, i mean did anyone else cringe when he started saying "i was there, 3000 years ago" i mean it's almost like something out of crossroads (corny british soap opera!) i can't picture him as elrond, i picture him as the dude in the matrix. ahhh!!! and that hairband......

[*Varda*]

Ok, I feel completely outnumbered in that I thought Arwen was good casting...I thought Liv Tyler played her really well!<P>Elrond...I do agree with the regal, wise, sort of thing. The receding hairline was a little off though. And I kind of expected an odd Matrix line from time to time. I thought PJ casted everyone really really well, and we shouldn't complain.

[Necromancer of Mirkwood]

I think that PJ's script had Elrond being, in some ways, totally unsympathetic to the plight of Men. Thats sort of surprising considering his twin brother became Elros Tar-Minyatur of Numenor as well as much of his extended family being from the houses of the Edain of the 1st Age. <P>They also meseed up the relationship between Elrond and Aragorn: the Story of Arwen and Aragorn comes to mind. If Aragorn was raised as Estel for 20 years of his life and then spent times as Thorongil in the South, then why in the name of Holy Heck would he have "strayed from the path set before him long ago".<P>I will say that The Last Alliance Eldar grew on me. Just wish they had included more of Gil-Galad's part.

[Eleventy1-tipsy-hobbits]

I was concerned there for a bit, when everyone seemed to be dissing poor Elrond. I never gave Matrix a thought seening him in this role. Thought he was fabulous. I love his speech ... "they are scatter, divided, leaderless"... and then when he says, "... he gave up that title along time ago.." (something like that.) He looks kind of regretful that mankind seems to have diminished somehow. <BR>Anyway, leave him alone!

[Mattius]

elrond was great in the film, he was portrayed fantastically just like every other character! PJ got it perfect! as usual!

[Frodo Baggins]

Now people, give the poor elf a break! I personally agree with Makadilwen and the others. As far as I am concerned, In bith movie and books Elrond is one of the most gorgeous creatures in Middle-earth.(read the description of him in FOTR book two, chapter 1). You can keep Legolas as far as I care. Though in the books he did smile a little more. Oh well.<BR>Hear! Hear! Tigerlilly, that's the term I was looking for Much Wisdom. <BR>Thank you Kalimac!!! If I hear one more Agent Elrond joke I don't know what I'll do. <BR>Yeah the hair issue. I like the hair. Ny problem is how come his hair looks so cool but when I try to do it that way it looks dorky??<BR>Tinted contacts??? I thought those blue eyes WERE contacts!!! I thought most of the "elves" were wearing blue contacts. (Elves are supposed to have grey eyes JRRT said so)<BR>I agree with all Earendil said (BTW did you know they pronounce your name wrong in the movie???) But when the book says that Galadriel's voice was "lower than a woman's wont" it definitely Cate Balnchett I think of.<BR>Yes Lomelinde, Incredibly pretty!! <P>Umm in the last alliance, When that elf arrow goes through Elrond"s hair and misses his head by centimeters, d<BR>do you think that was in the script???<P>(BTW I have the same eyebrow problems. A bit too much at times)<BR>Vinyamarien!!!! You are my new best friend!!! Ok so yeah he was a little bitter about men, but if you had pleaded with dumb ol' Isildir to destroy the Ring and he didn't what would you do?? Yeah, and the little teeny smile when talking with Sam, that was good.<BR>When Sam rund into the council and then Merry and Pippin seem to come from nowhere, Elrond has this look on his face like "Where are they going to pop out from next??"<BR>KingCArlton!!!! Long time no see!!! I agree not all elves are dainty, but Elrond was pretty in his own right.<BR>HAirline shmairline!!!! A broad forehead denotes intelligence!!!! Don't you know that???<BR>Yes nurananr Majestic, sad, and FULL of wisdom. <BR>Is anyone besides me mad that he got to say only ONE line of elvish????<BR>Oh as for unsymapthetic to men, I saw a sneak peek at what's coming in TTT and Elrond says "If we cannot trust in the sternght of men we can trust in the victory of Sauron" so he changes a little.<P>Sorry for rambling, just telling all people personally what I think.<P>Long Live Lord Elrond!!!!!!!!!

[Frieda]

I actually didn't really have a problem with him. I'm okay with the way they did him.<P>But I guess it's true that a lot of people didn't like it. My sister and cousins think he looks too much like a bad guy. They say it's hard to see him as a good guy. :/

[Frodo Baggins]

Were those eyes of his tinted contacts? Or Does Hugo Weaving have blue eyes??

[Frieda]

I've seen some pics of the actor himself and I'm pretty sure that he has blue eyes since his eyes appear to be blue in those pics as well.<BR>You never know for sure though because perhaps he wears coloured contacts in real life. :/

[Iarwen]

I have to admit, Elrond looked exactly how i pictured him, but the way he acted made him seem not as nice as the hobbit and FOTR portrayed him to be.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

I'm pretty happy about the way that Elrond was cast. I liked his eyebrows though!!! Probably the only one too!

[Elrian]

Elrond was well cast, eyebrows and all. Remember, Elrond had the blood of man in him even though he chose to be counted among the Eldar, therefore the receding hairline, which I though was a nice touch. And Men were weak, Isildur was weak and so was Eanur, the line of kings would not have floundered in Gondor if that one had resisted the challenge of the Witch-king and had not rode off to Minas Morgul in challenge. Elrond Rules!

[Cúdae]

Hugo Weaving was the perfect Elrond! I kind of liked the...er...Spock-ish eyebrows. In the books, Elrond was one of the three Elves that didn't drive me raving mad (Legolas and Haldir were the two others). <BR>I do not think Liv Tyler was a very good Arwen. But then again, Liv Tyler isn't one of my favorite actresses either, so it could be persoanl grudge. But anyway, Blanchett as Galadriel bothered me... but I never liked Galadriel anyway. And on the topic of Elves...in the movie, Haldir looked a little...er...stuck up. He sent of this air of "I'm an elf and you're not, so get over it--or I will kill you." It was frightening. <BR>Back to Elrond, I loved that he was not "pretty." It showed me that he's been there, done that, and doesn't want to see it happen again, but it's beyond his control and he's going to do his best to help the people who are now directly involved.

[Ban]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've seen some pics of the actor himself and I'm pretty sure that he has blue eyes since his eyes appear to be blue in those pics as well.<BR>You never know for sure though because perhaps he wears coloured contacts in real life. :/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Just in case anyone still wants to know: Hugo Weaving does have blue eyes in real life, he doesn't wear color contacts, but wears regular contacts for seeing better.

[Brinniel]

Well, I'm sure glad I saw FOTR before I saw the Matrix. I didn't even know that Hugo played a bad guy until I saw that movie! So, when I did see it, I couldn't see Agent Smith being that bad of guy. I just kept seeing good ol' Elrond.

I think Hugo did a good job portraying Elrond, though I think that the makeup artists could have done a little better with his hair. I just can't imagine elves having receding hairlines!

[Arathiriel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I was horrified to see how Elrond was portrayed in FOTR. He didn't look anything like I imagined, more like he was a Vulcan from Star Trek. While I had problems with the way other characters looked (noticably, Aragon, too young looking), Elrond is the only one I really feel very strongly about. Does anyone else feel like this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, I did but my problem came not with Elrond but rather with the movie's version of Galadriel! She was just way too sinister in the movie for me!<P>However I did like Elrond though it killed me watching his scenes as I saw Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith in <B>The Matrix</B> before seeing LOTR and I was a little afraid he'd start talking like Agent Smith! Had he done so I think I would have screamed!

[Frodo Baggins]

Well, I wear regular contacts too, If i didn't have some sort of eye correction, i would be in large amounts of trouble!<P>Speaking of Elrond, have any of you ever seen Bashki's version? I was so glad for Hugo Weaving after I saw that!<P>Fortunately, I haven't seen The MAtrix YET, I will soon hopefully. But, like Brinniel, it will still br good old Elrond!!

[Maikadilwen]

I don't get it! <BR>Agent Smith is a character in "The Matrix" and Elrond is a character in "LOTR". So they're played by the same actor. And that's where all similarities stop. <BR>Why can't people seperate those two movies? <BR>When you see Ian McKellen as Gandalf, you don't think about his psycho character in "Richard III"... <BR>Or when you see Ian Holm as Bilbo, you don't automatically think of him as the evil, psychotic android in "Alien"... <P>How come people can't seperate Hugo Weaving's characters? They're nothing like each other.<P><B>Leave my Elrond alone!!!!</B> <P>To be completely honest, when everybody else thought "The Matrix", I thought "Priscilla, queen of the desert"... <p>[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ]

[charly]

I thought Elrond sort of looked like an indian, with all those beads and stuff in his hair.... I thought Hugo Weaving did a good job acting, <I>he´s</I>not responsible for his costume. <BR>The rest of the cast was pretty cool. Gandalf, Arwen, Saruman, Galadriel(not many people think so), Sam and Pippin were brilliantly casted. Frodo(even though he did give me the creeps, Aragorn ,Merry and Gimli were ok... I didn´t like Lego, though. Whatever. <BR>keep smiling, everyone- a month and ten days to TTT!!!!!!!