Major ROTK Spoliers

[Elendur]

This site has lots of pics from ROTK. They tell how Saruman dies and lots of other things. Only look if you want to be spoiled.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.kojiroabe.com/rotk/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.kojiroabe.com/rotk/</A>

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

The shot of the Minas Tirith model is very nice.

[eleanor_niphredil]

Very cool, but...did they call us freaks!?!

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Very nice. I presume that the dark skinned soldiers of Gondor will not be making an appearance?

[Pookabunny]

OOOOOHHHHWWWWWHHHUUUUAAAAAAAHHHH<P>I'm dying over here - that's what that noise was....<P>Those pictures are killing me! ARG!!! GOT....TO....SEEE......ROTK......<P><BR>Thanks for sharing them. I'm ooooohhh so happy now!!!

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"The books are OK, the story is fantastic but it is very long and drawn out, like reading the bible or dead sea scrolls (though I believe this was exactly what Tolkien intended)" and somethin that sounds like: "i've never managed to read that much" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He's an Idiot, but the pictures are great.

[ArwenBaggins]

The pictures are great, but now I am going to have to talk about them for another year.

[Diamond18]

What? No picture of Pippin looking into the Palantír, an eerie blue/purple/red/whatever light illuminating his face? Tell me if you ever come across anything like that...I might want a new avatar....<P>The pictures that <I>are</I> there, however, are awesome. It's January, right? Right. I'm that I'm so dang busy, otherwise I wouldn't be able to endure the wait.<P><I>*Diamond searchs vainly for a Palantír icon to post...no, still not there. I guess I'll use the Silmaril. You'll have to imagine it a Palantír.*</I>

[Pipperin]

I agree with Diamond18!!! They better have the palantir in the movie or im gonna freak!!!! But the pics were awsome!!!!!!!!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sweet.

[Fingo]

Yes! I've been looking for a big pic of Sam holding Frodo, and now I finally have it! Thank you, Elendur! My friends (even my LotR fan friends) think I'm suddenly all into slash because I LOVE that picture. But I'm not! It's just such a beautiful part of the book and *sniffle* I can't wait!<P>~*Fingo*~

[Pipperin]

OK, so they say they do have it, their only 1/5 sure!!!!! THIS IS KILLING ME!!!!!!!!<BR>Why cant they show the next movie in the summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-Imrahil-]

Very cool! Thankyou!

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

AWESOME!!!!!!!! This rocks!!!! Thank you very much!! You can also find the complete list of movie changes for ROTK on there!!! Its really cool!!

[Iarwain]

looks like RotK's going to be truly awesome! One thing, I didn't notice the witch-king/eowyn/merry scene in there anywhere <P>Gratefully,<BR>Iarwain

[Carrûn]

Very nice, I especially like the picture of Grima with the knife. Also the picture of Frodo with the phial - hopefuly this means will see a Frodo with a bit more of a backbone (not that I think 'Lij has done a bad job or anything).

[Gorwingel]

I have seen signs of the witch king/Eowyn/Merry scene, in pictures from other websites. And Besides Peter Jackson loves those kind of scenes, I don't think he would forget it. <p>[ January 10, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

[Kalimac]

Great pictures. And I'm not too worried about the Merry/Eowyn/Witch-King scene; after building up Eowyn like that in TTT, you can't NOT have her slay the Witch-King. I mean, come on. <P>Slightly worried; I'd be happier if there were a still out there showing Pippin gazing into the Palantir. Of course it's an enormous scene, but I have an eerie feeling that they may just try to cut it; just have Gandalf pass the Palantir directly to Aragorn to save time. Of course, there wouldn't really be any reason for Gandalf to take Pippin to Gondor with him ("I think you and Merry need some time apart") but they could fudge something...sigh...I really hope they don't do that, though.

[Liriodendron]

Ok,............................ spoiler talk......................Does The Barrow Downs have a spoiler policy? I tried the search with spoiler policy under "The Barrow Downs" and "The Movies" and got zero.............................................. .................................................. ....................................Don't want my comments to show up so I'm knocking out some space............................................. .................................................. ..............hope that covers it! <P><BR>spoiler talk<P>so when do Sam and Rosie get married and have a kid? This "coming home to Elanor" thing messes with my mind.<p>[ January 10, 2003: Message edited by: Liriodendron ]

[Liriodendron]

OK, I guess they will have to have the Hobbits come home, then the marriage and family, with shots of Frodo with problems, Arwens "gift" talk, Gandalf discussions, and then they (Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, maybe Legolas and Gimli...) go to the Grey Havens. Sam comes back (he went to say goodby) and then says "I'm back", the end. Remember, don't even think about the Scouring of The Shire, It's not happening!

[Cherie Centaur]

I have one question to ask. Can someone really take a close look at that picture of Shelob? All I see is cobwebs.

[Vardadurwen]

Very nice! That is an amazing site! I looked up all the links and had to stop myself from looking at all the changes they made to the ROTK. I want there to be <I>some</I> surprises after all!<BR>Thanks so much for hooking us up with the link Elendur!

[Liriodendron]

It looks like her sitting on the rock, with her legs sticking out. See her beady eyes?

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

I can bearly make it out, I hope they do better then that!

[Nenya]

OH.MY.GOD. <BR>See, I managed to stay totally cool. Well, at least a bit. Okay, okay,I'm grinning like an idiot and jumping with joy here. So much for being non-fantical... <BR>I saw that Frodo&Sam picture yesterday at TOR.net, and compleately fell in love with it. Who gives a toss about Frodo's chracter developement (or the lack of it) when we get to see THAT scene!! (okay,I know <I>I</I> will when I get over this...) I'm allready sniffing. <BR>Agh, I'm such a girlie, how annoying. <P>Pippin&Palantir: I have a feeling that it will be cut out. They have so much to tell in three hours, that some things have to be left out. And even if that part is important, it isn't vital to the story. We'll have to wait and see. (like I had the patience for that...) <P>Saruman's death: Wormtongue really kills him?! Yay! Just hope that's the version they're going to use, if they really filmed five different ones.

[Brinniel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Pippin&Palantir: I have a feeling that it will be cut out. They have so much to tell in three hours, that some things have to be left out. And even if that part is important, it isn't vital to the story. We'll have to wait and see. (like I had the patience for that...) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If it's cut out, it'll definately be in the extended version for sure.<P>I wonder who will kill Wormtongue. (random thought)<P>What a wonderful post number- 666 <p>[ January 10, 2003: Message edited by: Brinniel ]

[Luinoth,Heir_of_Rohan]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I can barely make it out. I hope they do a better job then that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Well, considering these pictures are perfectly STILL and the movie has pictures the MOVE I think you'll be able to see Shelob when she moves.

[maikafanawen]

*wicked*<P><BR>I have seen that picture of Merry and Theoden somewhere before I know ... what about Eowyn and the Witchking? Too good to 'spoil' hopefully ... and *man* those are some hideous orcs!! I can not *wait* until ROTK!!

[Sapphire_Flame]

THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Those pics are great, I am *SO* saving them onto my computer!!!! AND THERE WAS A PICTURE OF SHELOB!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!

[Aragost]

Those were great pictures. I saved most of them.

[Aratlithiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It looks like her sitting on the rock, with her legs sticking out. See her beady eyes? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, dagnabit! I don't see squat except maybe a claw. can you come over here & point?<BR>

[Aratlithiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Who gives a toss about Frodo's chracter developement (or the lack of it) when we get to see THAT scene!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank God somebody else noticed the character development - or noticable lack thereof. I thought I was the only one who cared that Frodo seems to have lost most of his nobility and courage somewhere between the page and the screen.<P>Don't get me wrong - I do like the movies and think Elijah Wood has done a good job with what he's been handed to work with, but SHEESH! I thought this was supposed to be the story of Frodo and his quest - how come Gollum and the battles got more screen time than he did?<P>Crud, am I going to get roasted for this?

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

I am sure that many of the things that people are worried about will be in there. I don't think PJ wants to release any pics because he doesn't want to spoil for people who haven't read the books and he wants to keep those who have on their toes.<BR>Think of how many things from TTT were not released until after the movie. I am sure that ROTK will be the same way.

[Diamond18]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Pippin&Palantir: I have a feeling that it will be cut out. They have so much to tell in three hours, that some things have to be left out. And even if that part is important, it isn't vital to the story. We'll have to wait and see. (like I had the patience for that...) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's a lot more vital to the story than close ups of Liv Tyler's overbite.<P>The Palantír is very important to the plot. Essential. If Pippin does not retrieve the Palantír and look into it, Gandalf doesn't feel the need to spirit him off to Gondor. Pippin doesn't go to Gondor, Faramir dies. Not to mention you completely skip over the largest chunk of character developement for Pippin in the entire book.<P>If the Palantír isn't thrown out and retrieved by Pippin and given to Aragorn, Aragorn doesn't reveal himself to Sauron and Sauron doesn't become overly preoccupied with the world beyond Mordor, and Sam and Frodo are easily spotted.<P>Okay, I know PJ and Co. could find a thousand different ways around this important plot point if they really wanted to and felt they needed the time for more lucious lips shots of Arwen or increased tension between Aragorn and Éowyn. I could probably forgive them, too, because whatever they do (and I put nothing past them anymore) I can still read the book I have no problem with letting other people have their vision, however whacked. It doesn't hurt me.<P>But it really annoys me when people say that "oh, the Palantír and Pippin isn't essential so it will probably be left out." It's definitely essential to Pippin, perhaps the biggest turning point in his life. And Pippin is important to the plot. So there.<P>Oh, and Aratlithiel, if you look around here you'll see that a vast number of people agree with you about Frodo, and have talked about his movie characterization at great length.

[King_Elessar]

OMG, is that really Gorbag and Shagrat?? The look more like trolls than orcs, plus orcs don't have beards! Thanks for the pics, they are amazing.<P>Bye, Elessar.

[Eyowen]

Sniff...does Aragorn retourn to Arwen? Is there really not space for romance with Eyowen and him???

[Aratlithiel]

Has everyone seen this site?<P><A HREF="http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_rotk.cfm" TARGET=_blank>RotK changes</A><P>Spolier warning - if you don't wanna know, don't look!

[Diamond18]

I want all the spoilers I can get! Thanks for that link, Aratlithiel. I'd rather not be surprised like I was many times in TTT.

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

Yea I read all that... its very interesting!! Can't wait till ROTK!!!

[mordor136]

under the links shortcut <A HREF="http://www.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_rotk.cfm" TARGET=_blank>null</A> the possiblechanges are kinda scary. if you click on null it should take you there<p>[ January 19, 2003: Message edited by: mordor136 ]

[VanimaEdhel]

*Is also worried about the Palantir*<P>Did you guys know that Alexandra Astin plays Elanor? I think that's really adorable.<P>Coincidentally, I happen to be watching an interview with Sean Astin in the Golden Globes Preshow...lovely things coincidences are, eh?

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

Ooooooo!!! Check out the excellent new *spoiler* pic at this link:<BR> <A HREF="http://warofthering.net/images/mainsiteimages/aragornandlegolas.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://warofthering.net/images/mainsiteimages/aragornandlegolas.jpg</A>

[The Green Ringwraith]

In that picture of Sam holding a seemingly dead Frodo, Frodo looks like Tinkerbell from "Hook" (played by a Julia Roberts with short curly reddish hair- which it looks like Frodo has) and Sam looks quite old and drawn... but not any thinner...

[Aratlithiel]

LOL - oooh, mean, mean, MEAN!!<P>I know this is probably a sign that I've spent WAY to much time looking at these pictures, but I've decided that the one w/Sam and Frodo has to be after Shelob but before Mt. Doom. If you notice, Sam has Sting hanging from his belt which he doesn't get until after Shelob. And the noticable lack of smoke behind them leads me to believe they haven't reached the volcano yet. Could this be after the orc-run (if they're even going to put that in the film)? Either way, it looks like all of you who were looking forward to a nude Frodo will be disappointed. If they stripped him as they did in the book, he would have orc clothes on instead of his own. Sorry, girls!

[Diamond18]

Actually, I thought that the Sam/Frodo pic was when Sam thinks Frodo is dead. So that would be at the opening of Shelob's Lair right near the Tower of Cirith Ungol, just after Sam stabs Shelob and she retreats to her den. We may see a naked Mr. Frodo, yet. Not that I want to. Come on, you'd have to be perverted to find that scene arousing. Sadistic, too, when you consider that the Orcs were whipping him.<P>What a great pic, Tigerlily! I love that White Tree, it's so beautiful!

[Liriodendron]

Wow! Aragorn looks so clean and healthy! I hardly recognized him. I wonder how much time they'll spend on the coronation. I hope not too much. I keep having bad thoughts of that overly long "celebration" in the Starwars movie with the Ewoks. That was boring! I agree with Tolkien when he made that remark about the happy stuff (I think it was in The Hobbit, when they stayed at Rivendell)not being all that particularly interesting. <p>[ January 20, 2003: Message edited by: Liriodendron ]

[Manwe Sulimo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I keep having bad thoughts of that overly long "celebration" in the Starwars movie with the Ewoks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Overly long? It was like, 4 minutes long.<P>But I digress.<P>Great pics, although I don't think that last one was really a "spoiler", per se. It's Aragorn in a Faramir suit.

[Liriodendron]

Oh no....It was surely longer than that! It "seemed" like 20 minutes. Either way, my point is a long coronation with lots of heraldry will be boring. (to me)<p>[ January 20, 2003: Message edited by: Liriodendron ]

[Nenya]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But it really annoys me when people say that "oh, the Palantír and Pippin isn't essential so it will probably be left out." It's definitely essential to Pippin, perhaps the biggest turning point in his life. And Pippin is important to the plot. So there.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I totally get your point, Diamond, and I am by no means saying that it isn't a huge thing for Pippin and for the whole story as well. And that I wouldn't be sad if it was left out. But as you yourself pointed out, they have a million other ways to get Pip to Minas Tirith, and even show the change and new found maturity in him. <P>When I said that it isn't vital to the story, I meant just that: it is an important part of the story, but they <I>can</I> still make a RotK-movie without it. And hopefully a good movie.<P>But your guess is as good a mine, and they might jus as well include it. Then - for once - I would be happy to be wrong...

[Nenya]

Oh, and there was <I>another</I> page in this thread...*feels dumb*<P>I'm a sucker for all of that happy "let's wrap things up"-stuff. I even enjoyed ewoks . And I was so grateful that Tolkien gave me enough time to get over the fact that the book was about to end...So I wouldn't mind if they used the last hour of the movie just for that.:rolleyes one can hope, eh?)<p>[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: Nenya ]

[Blue Elf]

Those pics were great, but it sounds like they're cutting out a lot of the scenes I wanted to see!!<BR>Pippin and the palantir<BR>The scouring of the Shire<BR>And I wanted to see Saruman die in the Shire...with all the cute little hobbits and... though at least, either way it is Grima who kills him. I'm still sad the he didn't have a rainbow bathrobe on though.<P>I was going to say something else, but I forgot...<P>Oh yes!! I love the way Aragorn came out. My friend was wondering if they would be able to make him kingly, and I think they did a fine job.<P>And a few minor lines, I'll kill Peter Jackson if they leave out: <BR>The part in Isengard were Pippin is telling what happens and mentions the thing with Gandalf (something like "Gandalf!" "Pippin, you tom fool of a Took...")<BR>More important to me, though of course they'll leave this out, is that one little line with Gollum carressing Frodo a sudden;y looking like an old weary hobbit. (starts crying for Gollum)

[Aratlithiel]

<B>Diamond18 -</B><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Actually, I thought that the Sam/Frodo pic was when Sam thinks Frodo is dead. So that would be at the opening of Shelob's Lair right near the Tower of Cirith Ungol, just after Sam stabs Shelob and she retreats to her den. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I liked your explanation until I got an email from a friend of mine (who has spent even MORE time looking @ the pics which is just plain sad, ha ha) and he pointed out that Frodo is still wearing his cloak in the pic inside Shelob's Lair (you know, the one w/the star-glass) and is not wearing it in the Frodo/Sam pic. I have no idea if it's significant, but he even pointed out Frodo's lack of a vest and very dirty shirt which leads him to believe it's after the escape from the tower. Join me, now...Hmmmm.

[Pookabunny]

Wow those spoilers sound pretty hard-core. I really like the Pro and Con section!<P>Hey, does anyone have a link to those Eowyn/Merry/Witchking pics? I really, REALLY want to peek at them....

[Diamond18]

Oh, dear, now the suspense is going to kill me! Ah well, that's what spoiler pics are for, I guess. I would say "we shall soon see", but it's not soon, not soon at all. <P>Oh, and Nenya, don't take the "wrath of the Pippin fan" rant too personally. I fear that you are all too right in your predictions... <I>*considers writing letter to PJ begging and pleading that if he didn't film it, he does so before it's too late...*</I><P><B>Blue Elf:</B><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And a few minor lines, I'll kill Peter Jackson if they leave out: <BR>The part in Isengard were Pippin is telling what happens and mentions the thing with Gandalf (something like "Gandalf!" "Pippin, you tom fool of a Took...")<BR>More important to me, though of course they'll leave this out, is that one little line with Gollum carressing Frodo a sudden;y looking like an old weary hobbit. (starts crying for Gollum) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm afraid that first thing will be out because they already had the meeting between the Hobbits and Gandalf in TTT, and they didn't say anything. I loved that line; " 'Gandalf!' I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: 'Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!'? No, indeed! He said, 'Get up, you tom-fool of a Took!..." Ah me...<P>But the second thing, about Gollum, I'd be surprised if that wasn't in there. PJ seems to like portraying the good side of Gollum a lot, and that would be just perfect. I'm nearly positive a thing like that will be in there... We can hopes, at least, can't we, nice hobbitses?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Phew!! i am so happy that pippin looks into the palantir and that he still goes to Minas Tirith. Except i am VERY angry at some of the changes...grr! Now i cant wait until RotK!! NOO! MUST....SEE....NOW!

[HCIsland]

Couple of thoughts about these pics.<P>Wormtongue seems almost sure to be on the top of Orthanc. Thoughts? I'm very much perplexed on how they're going to deal with him and Saruman.<P>I am so pumped after seeing those Deagol - Smeagol pics. I wasn't expecting this at all. I was thinking of where they might fit in. How about this? <P>Before entering Shelob's Lair, Gollum and the hobbits have one last camp. Gollum wanders off and has another little converstion with himself where he is split on what to do. (In the tale of years it says he almost repents here.) Gollum tells Smeagol something like, "it's not like you haven't killed to get the Ring before", and we get a flash back of the whole Deagol-Smeagol incident. Smeagol then tells Gollum, "not this time", or something like it and goes back preparing the repent and lead the hobbits out. When he gets there though, Sam yells and insults him and Smeagol is gone and Gollum comes through. This could all be carried with the expressions on Smeagol/Gollum's face and the pathos would be practically dripping off the screen.<P>H.C.

[JenFramp]

aaah..::drooling:: thanks so much for sharing all of that with us..I don't consider much of anything a spoiler..nothing will ever compare to the moment after you've just finished a movie for the first time (a movie that you liked that is)

[Frodo Baggins]

Well there can now be no scouring of the Shire because Sharkey will be dead.<P>The TOP of Orthanc HC? Well, now that I look closely you may be onto something. It certainly does tase of sweet revenge to have Saruman's snivelling little toady finish him off.<P>Shelob is 100% creepy, so is a young Smeagol.<P>Let's hope they give me a little more nerve in ROTK.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Thoughts? I'm very much perplexed on how they're going to deal with him and Saruman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Me too. The caption suggests that Wormtongue attacks Saruman having grown tired of his taunts. There were minimal taunts in TTT, which means that they will need some scenes working up the tension between the two. Unfortunately, it looks like these will all be restricted to Orthanc. I suspect that RotK will have Wormtongue throwing the Palantir out, as in the book, since this will provide a basis for their relationship turning sour. <P>As for the Smeagol/Deagol pics, I believe that these will be in the TTT extended version. If you look closely in the scene in the Dead Marshes, where Frodo first calls Gollum Smeagol, there is a close-up on Gollum's eyes glazing over like they are going into "flashback" mode. I reckon the story of how he first gets the Ring will go in here.<P>And, is it just me, or does Mount Doom in one of these pictures look like something out of a school project?

[HCIsland]

You may be right about the Deagol-Smeagol pics Sauceman. It works there too. As long as I see them somewhere is all a care about.<P>Now watch them be scenes that were cut from the prologue, never to return. <P>Be careful judging the quality of the pics before you see them in the film though. A lot of these a production shots. We've seen lots of images of Mount Doom in the movies and all of them have looked good to me so far.<P>H.C.