Two Towers / Twin Towers

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I heard a discussion at school which caught my attention. One girl seemed to think that 'The Two Towers' name should be disregarded when naming the new movie, on the grounds that 'people will be reminded of September 11th' (Sounds like Twin Towers)<BR>Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I right in thinking that this girl is just disrespecting the long history of The Lord Of The Rings?

[Aosama, the Wandering Star]

There is actually a petition going around to change the name, in light of the September 11th attacks, but I think it's highly unlikely. She should keep in mind that the book was written (AND named) nearly fifty years before the attacks. And if the movie's name was changed, fans would be outraged.

[lathspell]

I agree with Aosama. <BR>The title of the movie shouldn't be changed because of the disaster on September 11th. The only similarity between the book and the attack is the title (and that is not even a similarity as far in my opinion). <BR>I thought it quite good that the movie, in which there was a terrorist attack much like the one on september 11th, wasn't published on the date it was supposed to be but half a year later. The movie is published some time ago. But I don't agree with the change-the-name subject.<P>greetings, <BR>lathspell

[Halfir]

I think those who are requesting a retitling of the second LOTR movie are being somewhat naive. <P>Those who have the Twin Towers horror seared into their consciousness will not need to be reminded- it will be with them forever. <P>Those who have forgotten, or placed it at the back of their minds will hardly be traumatized by a movie title referring to Two Towers. <P>Moreover, for those of us who travel by air, the institution of extensive security procedures brings home the evil reality of the Twin Towers every time we fly.<P>Indeed, there is a case for arguing that the Twin Towers horror should be permanently kept in the forefront of all our minds less we grow careless of the threat of international terrorism, in which case, keeping the movie as titled could be seen as serving a beneficial purpose.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Ok, sorry if I'm being a little harsh but whoever thinks that The Two Towers is referring to the Twin Towers, is extremely retarded!!!!!!!! TOLKIEN WROTE THE TWO TOWERS MORE THAN 50 YEARS BEFORE THIS HAPPENED!!!!!! That petition going around is the stupidest petition ever!!! IT'S A JOKE!! I understand that people are still very upset about what happened but they must know that The Two Towers has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Twin Towers!!! That petition makes me laugh!!!

[Nufaciel]

Have you actually read the things on that petition? Most of the signatures have been deleted, and much of what is left are sarcastic remarks aimed at the person who started this thing. It seems that it is no longer available. I was going to post it here, so you could see it, but I don't find it.

[Birdland]

I think when those tragic events were still very fresh in our minds, and we were all still feeling raw emotions to the horrors of the attack, then people were over-sensitive to anything that seemed to be even a vague reminder of those painful images. <P>Time has put those feeling in perspective for most of us (though I can't speak for people who lost loved ones in the attack.) For myself, when I here The Two Towers, I think of Tolkien, and that his title represents two cultures across vast distances, and the conflicts that they represent in the book. <P>When I hear "The Twin Towers", the images are very different. The two phrases are distinct in my mind. One does not conjure up images of the other. <P>Funny that this petition should be started on the Net, because I've seen far more tackier "homages" to September 11th there, and question the wisdom of the people responsible. But I would not include Tolkien or Peter Jackson in that group.

[Susan Delgado]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought it quite good that the movie, in which there was a terrorist attack much like the one on september 11th, wasn't published on the date it was supposed to be but half a year later <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What? What terrorist atack? Did I miss something? The movie came out only 2 1/2 months after Sep 11; how could they have pushed it back half a year?

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

I remember hearing this debate elseware and it made me angry. There is no reason to change the title of something that was created years before 9/11. Yes, it was tragic, but people try to hide from it whether than face it. Changing the title of a movie that has nothing to do with such events is just another form of hiding from fact, from what actually happened.<BR>Some people are just ignorant & get offended to easily. I think it is important to move on and not let such trivial things as the name of a movie make us nervous. I mean, come on!<BR>Sorry, that's my two cents.

[Nufaciel]

Actually, most of the people who signed the petition were "false signatures". They were flaming the guy. It was really quite funny, some of the stuff that they said. Once the other site I go to is back up, I'll post some of the ones that people quoted as their favorites.

[nevtalathiel]

In the version of the petition I saw, it even started somehting like:<P>The book the Two Towers was written and titled in 1954, and the two towers of the title bear no resemblance to the twin towers of the World Trade Center in any way.<P>Uh, I think they demolished their argument in the first sentence!

[Lush]

If the title of the movie was to be changed, the terrorists would score another point.

[Jessica Jade]

Good point, Lush! I too, agree that the idea of changing the title is a joke. Like it's been said before, the 9/11 attack and Tolkien are completely unrelated, and one does not make you think of the other. Whoever wants to change the title is evidently a paranoid, low little ninny who has no appreciation for TOlkien, not to mention too bored and needs to find something productive to do. The title of a movie is not hurting anybody. There is absolutely NO valid reason why it should be changed. It disgusts me how outrageously stupid and fanatical some people can be.

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

Lush is 100% right. The other day I got up to go to the bathroom about 12:30, and I heard my mom and dad discussing changing the name. They felt if the name was changed, the terrorists would feel more confident that they are winning. We need to show them(the terrorists) that 9/11, didn't change us, yes we must grieve for the dear departed, but when we resort to changing the name of a movie based on a book written 50 years ago, the terrorists really have won.

[Aosama, the Wandering Star]

Hear, hear, Gimli and Lush! <BR>I think the petition-writers are forgetting as well that the two towers mentioned in the title are Isengard and Cirith Ungol (correct me if wrong) which are at least several hundred leagues apart.<p>[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: Aosama, the Wandering Star ]

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

September 11th tragedy, Earthquakes in China, Corrupt politicians everywhere, not to mention good stuff like scientific advancements and the approaching World Cup.<P>None of these are more important than The Lord Of The Rings.<P>And I'll say it again, September 11th was a tragedy, it was a terrible day. But I don't think its more important than a certain work of literature that's brought great delight to millions all over the world.<P>So a few people might be reminded of the Twin Towers for a few moments. Not a big deal. It often comes into my thoughts, I'll never forget it. If the name of film was changed it would be an outrage and I'd be willing to bet that no-one would associate The Two Towers with The Twin Towers if media and trouble-starters weren't trying to associate them.

[Nufaciel]

Here's the <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower/petition.html" TARGET=_blank>Petition</A>. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The book the Two Towers was written and titled in 1954, and the two towers of the title bear no resemblance to the twin towers of the World Trade Center in any way.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, this is the disclaimer by petitiononline. The letter to be signed is underneath this statement. Read some of them and let me know what you think.

[Child of the 7th Age]

Nufacial -- Thanks for letting us view this petition. <P>Frankly, from my perspective, the whole thing is distasteful. I say this after reading both the petition and some of the responses. <P> The people who drafted such a document need their heads examined. Some of the responses are equally stange (not all of them, but many), even the ones who said the drafters of the petition were out of line. The hundreds (thousands??) of deleted entries.....<P>After actually reading the thing, I am wondering if the person who drafted this petition was actually serious or merely wanted to brew up a storm. Maybe someone just wanted publicity. <P>I am hoping and assuming the whole thing will blow away. <P>Perhaps others will judge this document and its signers (pro and con) less harshly and I've just lost my sense of humor. But, right now, that's the way I feel.<P>sharon, the 7th age hobbit

[Nevfeniel]

Personally, what could Peter Jackson really do? The movie has been made, everyone has gone home, and oh yeah! He already named the movie with its <I>CORRECT</I> name! Geez, the people who agreed with the petitioner probably didn't even know that LotR was a book! Someone on the petition said that Peter Jackson should name it <I>Lord of the Rings 2</I>! LotR 2?!?! Oookaaaaay, riiiiight, I'll just ignore that ignorant person, until he/she gets his/her facts straight.

[Lush]

Thanks for posting the link! I laughed pretty hard at some of those responses.

[Child of the 7th Age]

OK. I've gotten some of my sense of humor back and some of the reponses are funny (but a lot of them are just plain stupid!) But I still can't believe that this petition is for real. Anybody know who this character is?? It still smells like a publicity stunt to me, even some of the responses. sharon

[stone of vision]

Isn't that "thing " a fake?!!! That's so stupidly unrealistic.<BR>Couldn't it be a perfidious way to use media advertisement, or to know how many potential consummers we would be or something like that...<BR> Whatever! A really bad and disrespectful joke for all the victims and the people who had suffered of the tragedy without forgetting of course all Tolkien admirers. <P>I'm wondering if those people have ever read the book! Damn, Tolkien wasn't even American!<P>Whoever they are , I pity their idiocy and their ignorance.*sadness*

[lathspell]

Susan Delgado - From the news I heard that the movie was supposed to be coming out some weeks after september 11th, but they had to wait half a year.

[Hanna_Gamgee]

I read the responses. Some of the answers are pretty funny. This is the dumbest petition I have ever seen.The name of the book was written 50 years ago and the author is from England not America anyway.If you guys want another laugh read this: <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/blargh/petition.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.petitiononline.com/blargh/petition.html</A>

[Daniel Telcontar]

I followed your hyperlink, hanna, and found it so good and idea that I posted my signature...<BR>And found out that until now, there are 5 signatures...

[nevtalathiel]

Yeah, that's probably about the same as the number of serious signatures for the other petition!

[Nufaciel]

Yeah, you're right. All those deleted sigs on the petition were deleted by the person running it, because they were false sigs. Only a few were actually in favor of that petition. I mean really...come on. How dumb is this?

[Daniel Telcontar]

I guess you are right, Nevtalathiel.<BR>I mean, all of us in here agrees that the petition is a laugh, and the one who wrote it needs a good deal of therapy.

[Enedhil]

LotR 2?? Madness - it's still part of the same film!<P>And man alive!, were the towers even <I>built</I> when the book was published? Wasn't it the '60s or 70s?<P>

[Lhunbelethiel]

I say we start a petition against the Two/Twin Towers petition! Yeah!

[Jessica Jade]

hahahaha some of those responses were pretty funny! So was the link you posted, Hanna. Hmmm maybe whoever started that petition did it to see how many people would react to it? Unless he/she did it for that reason, he has suceeded in proving that he's a moron. Before someone tries to make a petition and win the support of others, he needs to make sure that he does his research and gets his facts straight so that people will actually take him seriously. (ie- thinking that Peter Jackson named the movie! )HAH. what a laugh.

[Aosama, the Wandering Star]

Much thanks for the link. I don't believe I've laughed that hard in ages

[Losthuniel]

i read both petitions (sp) and i laughed until i cried. NE1 who singed the TTT petition has obviosly not read the books. LotR 2?? lol. Petition-starter-person has succeded in providing me with a good laugh, and making a complete and utter moron of themselves. if it were me, i would never show my face in public or on the net again

[Ivorwen]

according to imdb.com, peter Jacson has thought of changing the name of the movie, but decided not to saying that, "the fans will kill me."

[Nevfeniel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> will be reminded of September 11th <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What's wrong with being reminded? We will all remember that event whether there is a movie called The Two Towers or not.

[Catherine]

What person in their right mind would think that the two towers relates to the twin towers?!?!? Its so stupid. Hey, lets change the name of NY so it dosen't remind anyone about what happened. Come on, its so stupid.

[Eruwen]

i have read about a MILLION threads on this topic. And my opinion is, it's so STUPID!!! LOTR came out how many years before the movie? {And before the Sep. 11th thing?} These people need to wake up. Why change a name to a story written by one of the GREATEST writers of all time, just because some horrible tragedy happened 50 years later??? <P>Whoo. {Calms down and takes a huge breath.} Well, since that's over, I would just like to say one more thing. HAAAA!!!!!! Yes, I'm laughing at you, all of you weird critics out there that seriously need to get out more!! I'm laughing at YOU!!! I say once again, HA!!! <P>Oh, and Tigerlily, where did you get that AWESOME pic of Frodo and the ring? That is so cool!

[Brinniel]

If they changed the name of The Two Towers, I would be horrified. Fantasy has nothing to do with reality. <P>When TTT comes out, it will nearly be a year and half since 9/11. Yes, I know it was a terrible tragedy, but there is a time when we must move on. Life goes on and we can't let one thing that happened in the past change everything. <P>Just because the words two and towers are combined together, it doesn't mean we are referring to the two towers that collapsed on 9/11. If the title of the second edition to LOTR really bothers someone, then they can just not watch the movie! Isn't that what people usually do when something bothers them? Ignore it?

[*Varda*]

<B>AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH! </B> Sorry just had to get that out of my system. STupid morons who never heard of LotR. Argh.<P>~*Varda Elentari*~

[Anna Licumo]

Oh no! It has to be changed! It's so sad! Oh, and Return of the King must be to, as it's so anti-american. And the Silmarillion, because....because....uh, it contains the letters S and A, which are in the USA, so must be anti-american as well! And The Hobbit, becuase it's so racists to refer to only one Hobbit and not the others. And the Unfinished Tales, because it's discrmatory against finished ones!<P> Okay, sorry for the sarcasm, but I had to get it out of my system.

[Eruwen]

Lol, Anna. But I seriously know what you mean!!

[O'Boile]

To everyone who still wines about Sept. 11, if you don't not have a friend/relative/loved one who died... get over it. Yes it was a tragic day, but there have been a lot of days that were a lot worse. Compare it to the Blitz in WW2 where that would have been a good night for the people living in London, or with Hiroshima or Nagasaki (not sure about the spelling on that one), or with the suffering that is going on in third world countries every day. Change the name of the movie? Thats rediculous. Maybe they sould change the name of 'Attack of the Clones' cause I know someone who died of a heart attack, and thus the word 'attack' disturbes me. Maybe SpiderMan should be changed because many of us know a man who died... plus I heard a man was murdered yesterday, so clearly that name was offensive. People should get some cheese to go with their wine.

[Daniel Telcontar]

Every day 10.000 children die in Afrika, but who cares about it?

[NazgulNumberTen]

the people tring to change the title are leeches. i have known a few myself, and found it hard not take a sledge hammer to their heads. they feed of the emotions of others and never let a topic go. the use this topic to draw emotions from people, thus assurting themselves in the social order. these people are insecure morons who should be locked up and never see the light of day again.

[Sarin Elfarmour]

If you ask me it dose take time for some ppl to get over a tragedy, but we live in a fast paced world you have to move on, besides,the two towers was written before the world trade centre was thought of it has nothing to do with it they should stick with the original tittle if they change it they might just remind more tolkkein fans of 9/11 than the two towers would have anyway

[Alkanoonion]

I am going to bookmark that site for when i need a good Laugh.

[Elendur]

Thats a good point Telcontar. People are so ignorant. They pick one notable thing to be mad about and never stop. 35,000 children die a day from malnutrition. But that's not glamerous or notable enough to be angry at. The worse part of all this is that people think that one terrorist represents the beleifs of all Arab people. I know this for a fact from listening people talking at my school. They barely know what the situation is and they choose to be mad at it. Its really sad when you think about it. How could people be so blind and arrogant and not even realize or care about it?<P>Truthfully, I got tired of hearing about 9/11 a week after it happened. The 24/7 news casts and everyone talking about it unintellegently (Lets nuke Afghanastan) made me decide to not care. Everyone else cared enough for me.<P>This seems very off topic. But I can relate this to Tolkien.<P>Some people in America are as ignorant/arrogant/blind as the Noldor when they attacked the Teleri. Does anyone agree?

[ae9024]

Whether or not 9/11 is triggered by TT, either consciously or subconsciously primed, an important theme of the trilogy is peoples of various homelands, races, etc., working together to diminish destruction and promote peace. One could argue whether or not this is happening today or quite the opposite. It is certainly a theme many need to be reminded of. I hope parallels are made.

[Lady_Galadriel]

I agree all the way with <BR>Lothiriel Silmarien.<BR>It's just absurd! And the thought of a petition is even worse! I mean the thought of chainging Tolkien's work?! How rude!!! <BR>It's just plain sad what some people can think of connecting to sept. 11... Especially when it's regarding Tolkien...<BR>P.S. i'm not trying to be rude about sept. 11, it was a tradedy if there ever was one...

[Melephelwen]

Not to offend anyone, but...<BR>I don't see why the attack on World Trade Center on September 11th 2001 is so much worse than anything the Americans (not all Americans, just then ones with the money) ever did in:<BR>Japan, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Could somebody please explain? <BR>Shouldn't those small yellow triangles with black symbols be banned as well, because they remind the Japanese of what were done to them in Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the ending of World War II? It makes no sence. You have a good point Elendur! My bet everyone (not on BD, sorry if I make it sound that way) would think of the Noldor as horrible creatures, that shouldn't be allowed to live!<P>Omg. This looks like I'm the most insesitive person on Earth. I shouldn't write these things at this time of day... *hides in her corner and feels very sorry for everyone who's hurt because of her rude language*

[Anunia]

The September 11th events are a tragedy, but tragedies happen every day in the third world countries.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Every day 10.000 children die in Afrika, but who cares about it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm not american... But this doesn't mean that I don't respect their sorrow. I live in Romania (that's in Eastern Europe) and here things aren't so good... Bad things happen every day but few people find out about them. Many things are bad in this world, but this doesn't mean that this has to rule our lives. <I>The two towers</I> was written long ago before 9/11 and it will be an outrage if they'd change the name of the movie bacause of this tragedy. The Two Towers and the Twin Towers have no thing in common. So... Don't compare this two different things and respect Tolkien's works...!<P>I'm sorry if I offended somebody, but this is my point of view.<p>[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Anunia ]

[greyhavener]

Reality. Tolkien named his book "The Two Towers". Jackson most appropriately gave the same name to his movie.<P>There were once two towers in NYC called the World Trade Center nicknamed "Twin Towers." They existed. Already they've been removed from movies that were shot before they went down. Reality. They once stood and were landmarks that appeared on postcards, in movies, etc.<P>Those petitions represent stupid, revisionist, controlling, P.C. pablum masquerading as sensitivity. The sensitive remember, they don't forget.

[NazgulNumberTen]

i left quite a nasty message on the page. go cheack it out. hehehe<BR>(seriously, if i ever find out where the guy who thought this up lives, i will go there, smash his hippie head into his computer, beat him with a red hot iron rod, straggle him using his own pancho, run him over in a car several times, then lock him up in a safe, light it on fire, throw it over a cliff, and give his flaming corpse the finger)<p>[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: NazgulNumberTen ]

[Airedae]

I seriously think that is an outrage. It's clearly something that was written long before and anyone who doesn't know Tolkien would go there.....Its clearly just a bunch of crap that is being said in that petition. They clearly feel like venting in the wrong subject. I mean its okay to talk about 9-11. I will never tell someone to stop venting their feelings about that tragedy...it was a sad situation...BUT to even compare it to The Two Towers is just crazy....I can't believe anyone even went there or that they could be that sensitive....

[gayare'dion]

blah!!!!! i hate all this being politicaly correct crap! im tired of all this overeactiveness, and crap.

[NazgulNumberTen]

i agree<BR>(dances around doing femmine hand motions)<BR>oh...the title riminds me of 9/11, we need to get that out of our heads boo boo boo.<BR>this petition makes me sick.

[gayare'dion]

::gets up on table and puts fist up in the air:: <BR>revolution revolution!!!!!!!!<P>::nods approvingly at the riot he hopes to make:: <P>

[Nevfeniel]

Even if The Two Towers had something to do with modern-day buildings (which it doesn't), what makes people think it's related to the WTC? There are probably several pairs of buildings all over the world. My point is, don't over-react about something if you don't know the facts for sure.

[*nevquesseiel*]

i dont know if someone has already posted this so sorry if they have but the director of lotr was thinking about changing the name of ttt but they decided against it in the end..... NVQ

[Manwe Sulimo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ....Peter Jackson has decided to tastelessly name the sequel "The Two Towers". The title is clearly meant to refer to the attacks on the World Trade Center. In this post-September 11 world, it is unforgiveable that this should be allowed to happen. The idea is both offensive and morally repugnant.... <BR>-From the Petition to Rename <I>The Two Towers</I><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>What????? Had he even HEARD of LotR before<BR>December 19 2001?<P>I have an *Idea*: Let's rename <I>TTT</I> <I>How Rohan Overthrewn Saruman and Frodo, Sam, and Gollum got into Mordor</I>!<p>[ July 28, 2002: Message edited by: Manwe Sulimo ]

[NazgulNumberTen]

TASTELESS!! TASTELES!!!<BR>DIE!!<BR>ONWARD YE ELVES DESTROY THE DARK ONE!!<BR>how the hell can he call the words of tolkien tasteless?!<BR>HE MUST DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nevfeniel]

My response to the quote stated above (edited for content): "What the frickin' h***?!?! What does that person have in his/her head that is replacing a brain? Someone needs to clue him/her that TTT was <I>NOT</I> "offensive" and "morally repungnant"! What's "tasteless" is that that person didn't even bother to notice that TTT was written BEFORE he/she was (probablly) born!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Angersome isn't it?<P>The thing is, every one of the 60 or so answers has been the same. We are all Tolkien fans after all.<P>Maybe I should post this on a general discussion forum instead of a Tolkien discussion forum.

[The Silver-shod Muse]

Well, I won't add to the rampant flaming, but I will say that the way issues like this are being handled in America (all in the name of 9-11) is revolting. I read some of the sigs on that petition, and they were really quite disturbing.

[Aragost]

Someone above said that one of the towers was Cirith Ungol it's Minas Morgul .Peter Jackson Isn't intelegent enuf to think of anew name that fits. :mad why cant people move on with their freakin lives?

[Airerûthiel]

In Letters, Tolkien refers to the fact that The Two Towers was as close to a name as he could get for Books Three and Four, citing that he liked it because it was ambigious - it could refer to any two towers in the story. In the same way, the film's title could refer to any two towers the world over; there is no reason why it should single out the tragedy of 9/11

[Merri]

[EDIT] I think this: is the best thing to express what I'm feeling right now. If I say something beyond that, I'll get everyone furious with me.<p>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ]

[Jesse]

Personally, <BR> I think this whole thing is bogus. The Two Towers were written over 30 years ago! Before the WTC was even built (I think.) J.R.R. Tolkien is (rest his soul), and has no say in this whole shinannigan. The name won't change.

[Deathwail]

Why is this thread even in the book forum?<BR>

[Legolas]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> In the same way, the film's title could refer to any two towers the world over; there is no reason why it should single out the tragedy of 9/11 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, it can't refer to any two towers the world over.<P>Just any of the two towers found in Middle-earth towards the end of the Third Age.

[aragornreborn]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> To everyone who still wines about Sept. 11, if you don't not have a friend/relative/loved one who died... get over it. Yes it was a tragic day, but there have been a lot of days that were a lot worse. Compare it to the Blitz in WW2 where that would have been a good night for the people living in London, or with Hiroshima or Nagasaki (not sure about the spelling on that one), or with the suffering that is going on in third world countries every day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I understand the point you're trying to make, and I, too, believe that the movie should not be renamed. But, I fear you are downplaying September 11th too much. Yes, all suffering is bad. And yes, there have been many tragedies worse than September 11th. But, that is no excuse to tell people to stop whining about the death of their loved ones (you may not have meant that, but your use of two negatives indicates otherwise) or to get over the murder of thousands of people. It's one thing to say you don't agree with someone's opinion on the title of a movie, but it's quite another to tell them to get over the death of thousands of innocent people. I'm not telling anyone to get over the London Blitz, starving children in Africa, or any other atrocity that has occurred and neither should you.

[Lalaith]

People, people. Calm down. <BR>It was quite obvious that the petition was a spoof from beginning to end. Specificly done, I imagine, by some person in order to wind up touchy Tolkien fans. Which they have succeeded in doing, it seems...

[Gryphon Hall]

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a spoof. <A HREF="http://www.twotowersprotest.org" TARGET=_blank>The Two Towers Protest</A> site still exists. You see, I've never seen the petition and tried to find it, also using the link on this thread, but I didn't. Somehow, it was taken off Petition Online. So I never got to have the laughs that most of you had.<P>But the above site seems to be a serious site inspired by that petition, bogus or not. <A HREF="http://www.twotowersprotest.org/who.htm" TARGET=_blank>This is the link.</A><P>Furthermore, it states this:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> We believe that the events that took place on Sept 11th 2001 gave America a chance for greater sensitivity. This is something that many people believe has been missing for a long time in the United States. The Spiderman movie which was released in 2002 had the images of the two towers removed from the movie. This sentiment was greatly appreciated by the Two Towers Protest Organization. We would like to see this kind of sentiment put towards the renaming of "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" to something which would be more appropriate considering the events which transpired on Sept 11th 2001. The name of this movie will undoubtedly cause a return of the emotions felt on Sept 11th which left so many people in the nation feeling stunned and in a state of shock. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A lot of you have already expressed the idiocity of statements such as these; I agree with all of you.<P>In fact, I believe we should remind people of 9/11 as often as we could. I am not American and I may be wrong, but it has only been two years and I get the distinct impression that people have 'gone on' just too well. So much so that the rights of terrorists are being defended again. Even if the LotR movies, especially TTT, would remind us of 9/11, I don't see it as a bad thing.<P>Ah, this has nothing to do with the books, he-he. So I stop (just had to have my say, sorry.)