Legolas in the prologue?

[Aerandir Carnesir]

Is it just me, or did anyone else see Legolas in the battle of the last alliance? When Isildur cut the ring and Sauron exploded, I could almost swear I saw Legolas sheild himself right before the shockwave hit him. Could somebody tell me they saw him too,(to make sure I'm not going crazy), or give me some book evidence that proves he could or could not or was or was not there?<p>[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ]

[Gorwingel]

I highly doubt it, because he was not even alive during the second age, maybe it was just a elf that looked similar. I don't recall seeing anyone who looked like Legolas during that part of the film (unless Peter Jackson just wanted to put Orlando Bloom in there for fun, to see if anyone noticed)<p>[ February 09, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

[Arvedui III]

I thought I saw him, maybe they were saving buget on extras so he got to be in the prologe. Theoreticly though, he's not born yet.

[Aerandir Carnesir]

Thanks. That is excactly the info I was looking for. It was probably one of those movie secrets or a mistake. <p>[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ]

[Kalimac]

If he is in there, it's probably just an inside-joke. The movie prospectuses all say that Legolas is less than 3,000 years old, so it's not as if that's something that's escaped them. And I somehow doubt that Orlando Bloom just sneaked onto the set for a bet .

[balrogman]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I highly doubt it, because he was not even alive during the first age <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Second age, though im not trying to be picky <P>I saw this in another thread, and heard it was Thranduil, which would make sense, though the elf you talk about does resemble Legolas alot

[Arien]

It is not Legolas, I dont think that the elf looks like Orlando Bloom. And the hair colour is different, this elfs hair is slightly strwaberry blonde. Although it could be Thranduil, that was a good idea.....

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I would imagine that it may have been Thranduil, Legolas's dad.

[Vardamar]

I dont think thats is Legolas either, the elf in the prolouges face is fatter

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>I highly doubt it, because he was not even alive during the first age <BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Second age, though im not trying to be picky <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>well, he wasn't alive in the first age either!

[Naldoriathil]

I doubt incredibly much that it was Legolas seeing as he was not alive then, it could be one of his relations....Elves do look alike from a distance. I agree with the others, it is probably Thranduil.

[Shy Hobbit]

Glad I'm not the only one who saw that! I was watching it the other night and went "Hey isn't that...no it can't be, he wasn't born yet!" But yeah, they do look alike. And you can only see the elf for a split second, unless you take it frame by frame.

[LePetitChoux]

You mean this elf:<BR> <BR>Compared with this elf:<BR> <P>No, that first one is not Legolas.

[Duncariel]

I think I read somewhere that it's Gil-galad, but I can't be sure. It's most certainly not Legolas.

[Coral]

HEY! It's the hair guy! Anyway, it's not Legolas...unless...it was Orlando Bloom! Maybe they have some sort of subliminal messaging where they have Bloom in every shot of the movie! That would explain all the fangirls...uh...yeah...

[Pookabunny]

This was the movie-guy version of gil-galad:<P> <P><BR>That other elf dude was just a random elf-dude.

[Aragorn_the_Ranger]

tsk tsk tsk....<BR>Look like none of us know our History.<BR>It was Thranduil.<BR>Thranduil was present at the Last Alliance as he and all Mirkwood folk was lead by the elf King Amdir.<P>For more information get "The COmplete Tolkien Companion"<P>ps. Tharanduil's father's name was Oropher....for those who were wondering

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Don't get "complete Tolkien companion" get Unfinished Tales.<P>Oropher's and Amdir Mal-gald's armmies suffered quite heavily, because Oropher refused to hold back, as he was told by Gil-Galad, refusing to aknoledege his rule maybe, and charged for the black gate, hoping to defeat Sauron. Amdir Mal-galad's armuy had been decapitated in the Dead Marshes.

[doug*platypus]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Amdir Mal-galad's armuy had been decapitated in the Dead Marshes.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That is a LOT of beheadings. Cool.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> tsk tsk tsk....<BR>Look like none of us know our History.<BR>It was Thranduil.<BR>Thranduil was present at the Last Alliance as he and all Mirkwood folk was lead by the elf King Amdir.<BR>For more information get "The COmplete Tolkien Companion"<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Tsk, tsk. Look like some of us can't differentiate between the books and the movies. PJ is one person who doesn't know his history. Elves at Helm's Deep? ELVES?!?! <P>Looking to the books to explain something from the movies is not always going to work. It is quite possible that they placed Legolas in the War of the Last Alliance to show his immortality. I'd be very interested to know if anyone has proof that it is or is not Legolas. Although I'm sure that Orly fans would refuse to believe he could look as chubby as Mr. Blonde in LePetitChoux's first pic!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

First of all, he doesn't look a thing like Legolas. I can't understand where some of you are getting this idea from.<P>And secondly, yes Thranduil was at the battle in Tolkien's history, but does that really mean that a random film-elf has to be Thranduil?

[Frodo Baggins]

Well Legolas DID say that Fangorn Forest made him feel young. So we don't know HOW old he is. <P> I'm wondering if our blonde-headed friend in the Last Alliance is maybe Glorfindel?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Hey, that's an idea! But the essay on Glorfindel in HomE 12, is unsure as to whether he came in the S.A or with Gandalf.

[HCIsland]

This ain't Legolas. It doesn't even look like Orlando Bloom. It's just a blond elf.<P>H.C.

[Inderjit Sanghera]

"That is a LOT of beheadings. Cool."-Originally posted by Doug*Platypus<P>Lol. I really needed to think of the most violent word that came into my head.Hmm...destroyed would've been better.<P>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

[Lady Alasse]

I think It looks like Orlando Bloom also.

[Dimaldaeon]

Well since i'm the one who started the whole Tranduil story I might as well be the one to put forward my case.<BR> The elf at the Last Alliance did not wear a helm, the only other elves who did not wear helms were Elrond and Gil-Galad. I assume this was a decision by PJ to emphasise that they were important and so you could see their faces (Elven helms have massive cheek guards) I will therefore asume that the same applies to this elf.<BR>(I know too much assumption)<BR>Also Legolas was alive at the Last Alliance dont believe Mr Blooms 3000 year old nonsense. Listening to the commentaries on the Extended Version proves this. Oh yeah elves don't understand death, this may have been true when Beor died but thousands of years of war and suffering has left the all too familiar with death.

[balrogman]

Ok i have another theory. Here goes:<P>Maybe, just maybe by a small chance, it is just an extra who looks somewhat similar to Legolas!! <P>I still think its Thranduil though

[Inderjit Sanghera]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also Legolas was alive at the Last Alliance posted by -Dimaldaeon <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Where is this stated?

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The elf at the Last Alliance did not wear a helm, the only other elves who did not wear helms were Elrond and Gil-Galad. I assume this was a decision by PJ to emphasise that they were important and so you could see their faces <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I would assume he needed to visually show that the air is being sucked in towards Sauron and having that blond hair fly around was an effective way to do it. The shot would be far less effective if every elf was wearing a helmet.<P>H.C.

[Bill Ferny]

All you elves look the same to me.

[Vuelve]

well here is my imput. i believe that PJ wanted us to take in the full meaning of the scene. i also believe he wanted to add a bit of mystery so people like us would be discussing such topics. he did this by showing a helmless, blonde, Legolas-ish elf. it could have very well been some of the eleves you mentioned but you would have had to read the books to find that information. as it was not referred to in the movies.

[Aragorn_the_Ranger]

Vuelve is right. PJ did add a lot of things that even he does not talk about and they are their for us to guess and wonder at.

[Lady Iverin]

I agree with HCIsland. It was probably more for the effect than trying to say that this was Thranduil or somebody else important. In my opinion, the elf in question looks too young to be Thranduil. Plus, he doesn't look all that important.

[Skybly]

No, that elf is not Legolas, nor is he Thranduil or Oropher or Glorfindel He's just a random elf (although he was "recycled" at Helm's Deep in TTT and for that has a trading card which names him Fereveldir). He is played by Ben Britton.<P>Here's his official website: <A HREF="http://www.theargonath.cc/fereveldir/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.theargonath.cc/fereveldir/</A> . (I also run a fanlisting for his character, which is linked in my signature )

[Mordor_Queen]

Legolas wasn't old enough to be alive then, but I have this Lord of the Rings game, which says he is 7500, which he isn't!!!

[HCIsland]

I've never been able to find any information on the birth date of Legolas, though I always assumed he was born early in the third age making him around 3000.<P>If you have information on this Mordor-Queen, I'd appreciate hearing it.<P>Editted to add: After I posted this I did a little searching and found some threads on this, but the most interesting thing I found was a link to this article: <A HREF="http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/36517" TARGET=_blank>Speaking Of Legolas</A><P>The author makes a pretty convincing arguement for Legolas being "only" about 500 or so. Extremely young, for and Elf.<P>H.C.<p>[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]