Strange shots (what are they thinking)

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed some of the odd-looking shots, such as, after defeating the Black riders, Strider proceeds to wander round Weathertop randomly waving his sword, what is he thinking?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Maybe he's trying to fan away their reek.

[Dark Shadow]

Maybe he's just circling to make sure they don't come back? Or maybe he's checking that there aren't more of them lurking around - he'd only defeated 5 of the 9. Yes, so the others never came, but how was he to know that?<p>[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Dark Shadow ]

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Maybe it's an ancient Numnenorean sign of triumph.

[eleanor_niphredil]

perhaps the sword dissolving took him by suprize, and he is making sure that his doesnt do the same?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Or maybe, just maybe, he's had a anxiety attack. I mean he's only human after all!<BR>(Well ,for the most part anyway.)

[eleanor_niphredil]

Another "what were they thinking?". Notice, when they first hear the ringwraithes on weather top, one of the hobbits, I think it was sam, picks up his little bucket of tomatoes or bacon or whatever. Well, even though they are threatened by certain death, he hangs on to that food until he is knocked of his feet.

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Well Hobbits REALLY did like their food.Imagine what he would've done if they were mushrooms.

[Dark Shadow]

Well, in my opinion, the biggest "what are they thinking" moment so far has to be when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are running across a field. Suddunly... "Stop". they all rush behind some rocks. 2 seconds later the Rohirrim race past, kicking up dust and making a huge noise. Surely Legolas' super-elf vision would have seen them sooner. And if Aragorn can hear the Urak-Hai from what was it? 2 miles away or something, why couldn't he hear the Rohirrim riding up the hill??

[Meela]

i dont know if these would count, but there are moments such as:<P>aragorn, leg, and gimli are running along, and the camera pans around them. at one point, legolas points ahead with his arm, as though he is pointing something out to aragorn. anyone know what it was? could be a starter for some great captions <BR>"Look, Aragorn! A candy shop!"<P>also, two of the orcs on the Black Gate of Mordor were casually chatting. any ideas on that one? do orcs have such a thing as socialising?

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

I don't see why not... What would they be discussing? 'Young orcs today...'

[Rose Cotton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> also, two of the orcs on the Black Gate of Mordor were casually chatting. any ideas on that one? do orcs have such a thing as socialising? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ya I found that really strange.

[Inderjit Sanghera]

I think that Orcs talk, just like all other living creatures with a Fea.<P>Since it is hard to tell the diffrence between male and female Orcs, maybe they were chatting each other up, or discussing the weather.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Here's a good one: Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli are chasing after the Uruk-hai, the camera panning overhead as they run along the top of a cliff, and.......Legolas <I>trips.</I> I kid you not. You'd think they'd edit that out or something; I mean, isn't Legolas supposed to be perfect?

[Meela]

HA! he trips!!! *points and laughs for about a fortnight

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

I never saw that! rhis is not on!

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

HE TRIPS! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA<BR>*two weeks later*<BR>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA ah....<BR>he trips! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA<BR>never noticed that...have to see next tiem i see TT. WHICH, i hope will be soon...

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

Here's another: When Gandalf is trying to get the word to open the west gate he tries one, then walks up to the door and pushes it. Does he really think it will open?

[hobbit punk]

I really hate that shot in TTT where Legolas jumps onto the horse. You all know which one I mean if you have seen it! I know he is an elf and can do things normal people can't but COME ON! It looked so fake and akward, not graceful and stunning the way it should.

[Meela]

apparently he really did do that. he was on the wrong side of the horse but jumped up anyway. they must have made it look more super-elvish later<P>i agree, it is terrible

[Sapphire_Flame]

I still give Orlando kudos points for doing that stunt. Did you know that, like, a year and a half before doing LotR he'd broken his back? (I heard that on a making-of-TT show) Resiliant, ain't he?

[eleanor_niphredil]

Yeah, he fell out of a window in his friends house, whist climbing the drainpipie for some reason.The doctors said that he would never walk again, but he walked out of the hospital within 12 days. He also broke his ribs whilst filming LOTR.

[luin'loki]

Orlando just seems to be accident-prone,don't you think?What movie does he trip in,TTT or FotR?I want to see it again and again and again and again.....(not that I hate him or something cause I don't)

[eleanor_niphredil]

TTT.

[Sapphire_Flame]

It's in Towers. One of those nice panoramic shots of A, L, and G tracking the Uruk-hai. I got a kick out of it, and everyone in the theater was staring 'cause I was laughing so hard... <P>Oh, and eleanor, I love your signature! <p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: Sapphire_Flame ]

[Morgul Queen]

FARAMIR, 'nuff said.

[Sadbh]

I don't know if this counts but I thought it was really bizarre, how when Aragorn was 'tracking' Merry and Pippin just outside of Fangorn, he stopped all of a sudden when they reached the forest, and just said 'Fangorn' in alarm, like the forest had snuck up on them or something. Didn't they notice it before?<P>And my mom pointed out on two occasions when the Uruk-hai are very quiet until the last moment, once, in FotR just before Frodo left alone for Mordor, and you suddenly see and hear about two hundred Uruk. The same as when Grima asked Saruman where they 'can they get an army of such size,' and bam, perfectly suddenly and soundless, there's one right outside the window. <P>I know it sounds like I'm overly bitter about the movies, those two things just sort of, well don't click.<P>Oh, one last thing. I don't think Orlando did the triple flipple double back wrist rotater thing that Leggy did in TTT. It must have been CGI. Mustn't it have? If it wasn't, I gotta know how that's humanly possible.<p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: Sadbh ]

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay- here's a two-in-one shot that's got me disturbed... and my brother (Keeper of Dol Goldur) come to think of it: in TTT, Merry's got that giant gash on his forehead. You'd think that it would really hurt, and yet when he's talking to Pippen, he doesn't even flinch when a blade of grass whips it. And... there's about a minute of footage in TTT where the gash is on the other side of his head. And then!!!... it's suddenly pretty much gone during Entmoot, if I remember correctly.

[Airehiriel]

Well considering we don't get to see EVERYTHING that happened in the book, perhaps the Ent draught healed it. <P>And on that note, are we going to see them (Merry and Pippin) grow?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I really hope they add at least something about Merry and Pippin getting taller. Or some benign comment about their hair being longer or curlier. I was just wondering about the whole scar thing, because if I remember correctly, Merry was given orc-draught that healed the gash, but left a brownish scar.

[Meela]

uh... what about faramir?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

i really hope that they grow...and grow...and GROW! till theyre my height so i can steal them.lol jk. But i hope that they make them grow so we can see how short that little bugger Frodo is...lol<BR>FARAMIR DID NOT TAKE THEM TO GONDOR!!!

[Sapphire_Flame]

Sadbh, that wasn't CGI, he really did that......<P>Yeah, the Osgiliath scene was a bit much. Something else about it really bugged me too: the hobbits met Faramir in Ithilien, on the <I>east</I> side of the River Anduin. The enemy's side. Then, suddenly, they are able to get to the Gondorian-held side of the city without getting squished by orcs or anything. I mean honestly.....

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

Don't get me started on Faramir.<P>One thing I was wondering, How come only two easterling soldiers notice the dust that Frodo and Sam raise and come to investigate? Are all the others just unobservant?

[Meela]

i saw legolas trip!!! he looked stupid!! i laughed!!! ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

[Annunfuiniel]

Got to see Legolas trip! Tomorrow, I hope...<BR>How about this one: in the end of FoTR when Sam follows Frodo in to the river Anduin and then almost drowns. He sinks deeper and deeper but then Frodos arm reaches him and he's saved. Frodo must have quite a long arm as he stays in the boat the hole time!

[Grimbold]

As for the sword-waving scene, I thought it was pretty obvious that he was making a last pass around Weathertop to make sure that none of the wraiths were coming back. He's one bad-*** Ranger!

[Finwen]

What I'd like to know is why Sauron, instead of crushing Isildur with his mace, puts out his hand and reaches down towards him for some reason, thus letting Isildur cut off his fingers and the Ring? <P>I may be wrong, but isn't that what happens? <P>

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

I is what happens, but I have no idea why, I guess he thought it would be OK, as Narsil was broken, but i aggree, why not just mash I sildur?

[Oddwen]

Ok, about the easterlings, I think the two were scouts. They were on a mission into Mordor so I don't think all the entire host would have stopped just for a cloud of dust. They couldn't escape anyway, Sauron's got hundreds of thousands of orcs at hand anyway.<BR>One of them looked like a girl...

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

He did rather, I guess that as their faces are covered they thought they could get away with that.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Yeah, that one did look like a girl........ maybe she pulled and Eowyn and snuck along with the guys? j/k, but, ya know, it could happen.

[Airehiriel]

Either that, or the guys there must have a thing with eyeliner!

[Sindafalathiel]

I saw where Legolas pointed something out to Aragorn, is where L trips before or after that?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

well im goin to see tt today so i can check those things out. whee!

[eleanor_niphredil]

notice, when Legolas trips, he also bends down and trys to cover by inspecting his shoes?<p>[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: eleanor_niphredil ]

[Rosseiliantiel]

This was confusing to me:<BR>When the army is entering the Black Gates and Sam & Frodo go down the hill, wouldn't the army see them falling down and putting the cloak on? I know they can't see them when they're under the cloak, but wouldn't they see them beforehand? Peripheral vision?

[eleanor_niphredil]

I guess thats what you get from leaving your glasses at home!

[Ithaeliel]

I was bit confused at how they did not see that... though the army was already halfway through the gate when Sam fell. I guess they were conveniently behind a rock when the two Easterlings came over.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

i am so glad i finally found people who agree about the faramir thing! i could kill peter jackson for that, though the rest of the film is amazing............<P><BR>i love faramir! he ruined my dreams (sob)!

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

AAH! I missed Legolas tripping!! How could I do such a thing? How?<P>Could anyone help me by telling me where it is? Noticed the Gimli pouch thing, noticed the female Easterling or whatever they were thing, but No Leggy trip or pointing thing. Help?

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

He only trips slightly, a quick stumble, not very noticable, probably why they didn't retape it.

[Kates Frodo Temp]

Did anyone besides me notice Legolas and Aragorn smirking when Theoden and Gimli were talking in front of the gate? My sister, who notices EVERYTHING has missed it twice now. It was a classic example of the "Legolas smirk", which seems to say "I'm like, so totally in control of this situation. I just can't get over myself!"

[Meela]

i saw that. i wanted to smack him

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

here's something that I don't get:<BR>When the Uruk-Hai are raising the ladders at helm's deep Aragorn shouts 'Ladders' in Elvish. So how come Gimli understands? He doesn't speak elvish!

[Meela]

i assumed that elvish was an international language along with the common tongue, and everyone spoke it regardless of their race

[merenwen]

also in the extended version of fotr gimli insults the elves in lothlorien in elvish. just thought i'd add that.

[Kates Frodo Temp]

It's from hanging with Legolas.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> also in the extended version of fotr gimli insults the elves in lothlorien in elvish. just thought i'd add that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>i just assumed that was dwarvish. clever gimli then!

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

It is dwarvish, isn't it? I've certainly never heared any elvish that sounds like that!

[Krumtakh the Obtuse]

I'm almost sure it was dwarvish, because Gimli was getting P.O.ed about Haldir and Aragorn talking in elvish, which he couldn't understand, so he figured he would say something that Haldir didn't understand. But I think Haldir got the point anyway.

[Beren87]

It was dwarvish, and they made the mistake of having Aragorn understand it. As far as I know Aragorn doesn't understand Gimli, Gandalf was on of the only outsiders to speak the language.

[merenwen]

oops sorry! my bad! i just always thought it was elvish can you ever forgive me??<p>[ March 02, 2003: Message edited by: merenwen ]

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Is it also just me, or in TT at Helm's Deep when Aragorn shouts "Charge" in Elvish does it sound like "Tallyho!!" My friend and I both noticed that the first time we watched TT, and we turned to each other at the same time and said "He said Tallyho, didn't he?"

[Lindril Arvilya]

Wonder where they got their eyeliner... <BR>And they might have been commanders or something- normal troops would have been ordered to just keep marching, short of a full-out attack on them. "Let us take care of it" etc.

[Meela]

Tallyho??? aragorn?? sounds more like something Gandalf would have said as he charged down the hill with the rohirrim. and he would have waved his hat like a cowboy hat, and lassoed a few dozen uruk-hai, who would have said: "aw, shucks..." or something like that.

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

That shot always bugs me, mostly because it is physically impossible!

[harlindon]

Yeah i thought he said Tallyho too! My friend and I did the same thing! lol. Oh yeah and about that whole Legolas jumping on the horse thingy: They had the shot of Orli standing with the horse running at him, but Orli got hurt so he left and they didn't shoot the rest of the sene with him so instead of just reshooting the whole thing they comuter animated the rest of him "jumping" onto the horse. And they had to do some work with the stunt man but all in all the was not Orli jumping on to the horse. He isn't like Jackie Chan and do all of his own stunts. ( Jackie Chan is so cool!)

[Kates Frodo Temp]

You like Jackie Chan? Me, too! I thought the Orli/horse thing was cool, especially since I knew that it was actually possible.

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

That is such a cool shot, I want to try it on my pony although I suspect he'd go nuts if I did.<P>Also, in the shot on whethertop where the witch-king is coming forward to get Frodo, what are the others doing?

[ElenCala Isil]

Have you ever noticed in The two towers that they elves and men are simply stading there waiting for war, but what would be going through their heads?<P>Aragorn-aww man, I gotta brush up on my Elvish..<P>Theoden-man, i'm not possessed anymore but now I have this to contend with!?<P>heh just some thoughts<p>[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: ElenCala Isil ]

[Sapphire_Flame]

That's a good point, what would they be thinking at Helm's Deep? Here's some pieces from the <A HREF="http://www.stupidring.com" TARGET=_blank>Stupid Ring Parody</A> that could help...<P>Gimli: Right now I just want to hew a few orc necks, kind of get loosened up. How about you?<P>Legolas: Lock and load baby, lock and load.<P>~*~<BR>Odd Narrator: And the lightning crashed... revealing a whole @&!*load of orcs beyond the wall. <P>Aragorn: Holy Guacamole! That's a lot of orcs.<P>Orcs in the front: GRR!!! Howl!!! Pffft pfft!<P>Various orcs in the back: I can't see a darned thing. Hello.... that's my foot you're standing on! Here, put Snaga up on your shoulders so he can report. Has the fighting started yet? Ugh... I hate crowds. Does ANYBODY know what's happening? Not... enough... air... I think I'm gonna hurl! EWWW! That's just great! <P>Snaga: Yes, I think I can see.... looks like they're attacking the gates.<P>~*~<BR>Gimli: Ha! I beheaded two orcs! Blood went everywhere... that was fun! <P>Legolas: Oh is that all? Me and AK killed 847 from up here. Man, it's fun to keep pumping bullets into 'em while they twitch.<P>~*~<P>Just a few there...I'll be back when I get more!!!

[Vuelve]

what were they thinking when they filmed the scene in Moria where gandalf says "fly you fools" and falls. now is it just me or does it look like gandalf lets go? to me it doesn't look like he falls. i mean i know hes old and all but he's a wizard he could have got back up. the staff and sword weren't that important were they?? lol

[The Barrow-Wight]

This seems like a movie post. Moving it there.

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

Phew, found! My heart skipped a beat when I saw it closed on Middle-earth mayhem, 'What on earth have I done now?'<P>Anyway, I agree, I thought at the time it looked rather like Gandalf was letting go, here probably is a reason , but I don't know it.

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

Nobody loves me! <BR>Why don't they put Frodo across as one of the earlier Hobbits?<BR>Why is Glamdring after the Balrog, when It dropped before, and Gandalf can catch up? Surely that shot is against all the laws of physics!

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why don't they put Frodo across as one of the earlier Hobbits? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm not sure what you mean here.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why is Glamdring after the Balrog, when It dropped before, and Gandalf can catch up? Surely that shot is against all the laws of physics! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Watch again. Gandalf has Glamdring in his hand when the balrog falls. He drops the sword when he is pulled over. As for how he catches up to the sword... he's a wizard. What would you prefer? He fights the balrog with his bare hands? He's fumbling with the sword while he's delivering his "Fly you fools line"? He loses the sword? <P>I could talk all day on how LoTR defies the laws of physics but the simple fact is it was a very cool shot. Enjoy it.<P>H.C.<p>[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[mark12_30]

Clearly Glamdring must have bumped into the rocky walls on the way down, thus being periodically deccelerated. Additionally, any tumbling motion could have increased the air resistance. The Balrog's violent thrashing no doubt providing considerable air resistance, whereas Gandalf had the wits to skydive head down, streamlining himself as much as possible. We should also consider that Gandalf was drafting on the Balrog. Finally, during the initial moments of Gandalf's fall, he would still have had the whip around his ankle and could have cleverly used that to increase his downward acceleration.<BR>I think the really cool part of all this is how Frodo dreamed the sequence from so many different angles.<p>[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Watch again. Gandalf has Glamdring in his hand when the balrog falls. He drops the sword when he is pulled over. As for how he catches up to the sword... he's a wizard. What would you prefer? He fights the balrog with his bare hands? He's fumbling with the sword while he's delivering his "Fly you fools line"? He loses the sword? <BR>I could talk all day on how LoTR defies the laws of physics but the simple fact is it was a very cool shot. Enjoy it.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OK! You're right about when he dops the sword, I wasn't paying attention when I was typing.<BR> <BR> <BR>I mean when they're jumping accross the gap in the stairs, and Aragorn and Frodo are the last to cross, wouldn't it have made sense to have Frodo go across with, say, Boromir?

[HCIsland]

Not from a plotting standpoint. Frodo is the central character of this film. He needs to be front and center. I think most any film maker (if they were to come up with this wild sequence to begin with) would have done the same thing.<P>Speaking of hobbits with Boromir, this film does a great, and very subtle job, of keeping Merry and Pippin connected emotionally with Boromir.<P>Check out all the scenes that have Merry and Pippin with Boromir.<P>*When the "crebain from Dunland" come.<BR>*On the pass of Caradhras (sp?).<BR>*Jumping the gap on the stairs near the bridge.<BR>*In the boats on the river.<P>This is all subtle building for the movie's climax. In that respect, it was more important to connect Frodo to Aragorn.<P>H.C.

[NinjaFerret]

Dude. Gandalf is WIZARD. Wizards don't DO physics. <P>(Man, if I was a wizard, I wouldn't do physics either. I'd stand up in the middle of lecture and haul myself to the ceiling by the seat of my pants in front of my professor. How cool would that be?! )<P>But seriously, the whole Gandalf vs the Balrog while airborne is just amazing. Jeez people. This is fantasy. Pretty much every character is in some way superhuman, yet still very believable. This whole double entendre of character is supposed to happen. <P>And if Legolas leaping onto a horse was a bit stiff, then hey, nothing is perfect.<P>Also, much earlier, someone in this post mentioned that Aragorn could hear the Uruk-Hai and yet had trouble hearing the Rohirrim until it was almost too late. I believe he says "The Earth groans under their feet." Meanign the Uruk-Hai, of course. I thought that had to do with his almost Elvish ability to use something beyond the regular five senses and listen to nature.<P>And I thought that when he was tracking Merry and Pippen and he suddenly halts at Fangorn, it is a sudden realization that they may have entered into these woods. I thought Fangorn had this air of mystery and potential danger b/c of the Huorns, trees that had gone slightly "bad" if you will. Also, Ents were not the type to socialize. they kept to themselves, and didn't much care what happened in the world. No one really knew that much about them. Fear of the unknown, perhaps.<P>I dunno... I think a lot of you are nitpicking, but if you really want to nitpick, I think you ought to go further, b/c you will see that Jackson and his actors were right in 99% of what they did.

[Galenfea of Mirkwood.]

*looks sheepish*<BR>I wasn't trying to nitpick, please don't get me wrong! I was simply drawing attention to a few places in which the way a shot is filmed, or a line is said makes it odd, and the comic potentiality therein! I usually haunt Middle-earth mayhem, that's where this comes from, and it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously!

[Tinuviel of Denton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Secondly, it seemed a bit nitpicking to complain about the poor tomatoes in a universe filled with Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, Wizards, Orcs, Balrogs - where the chief villain is a giant, flaming eye, who has nine undead kings as some of his most important servants... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You forgot talking trees.<P>On-topic:<P>One scene that drives me crazy is in TTT when Gandalf and the Riders of Rohan charge down onto all these orcs with pikes. I'm sorry, but there is no way that the poor horses (not to mention the <I>people</I>) could have survived that. PJ killed Shadowfax!!! <P>Also, I get really nitpicky about Saruman's robe. It should have shimmered, dang it!<P>(Don't mind me, I've lost my mind. Now, where is that thing? I know it's around here somewhere...)

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One scene that drives me crazy is in TTT when Gandalf and the Riders of Rohan charge down onto all these orcs with pikes. I'm sorry, but there is no way that the poor horses (not to mention the people) could have survived that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The orcs dropped their pikes due to the blinding light coming from behind the riders.<P>H.C.

[Tinuviel of Denton]

Funny, I must not have seen that due to the blinding light.

[Meneltarmacil]

In FOTR they did a great job with the different characters' sizes in relation to each other. Now why in TTT do they constantly mess up with Gimli? They show him sorta the right size at Helm's Deep but when Eomer's riders have them surrounded why does he come up to Legolas's shoulder?<P>PS I want to know EXACTLY where when Legolas trips in TTT.

[HCIsland]

I'd have to see the actually shot again to comment, but scale was obviously not nearly the issue in TTT that it was in Fellowship. Gimli was the only issue and I strongly suspect that half the time you see him it is actually his scale double and no real special effects or perspective shots were used like in Fellowship.<P>That's an easy thing about a character that's all hair and armour. It's easy to make someone else look like him.<P>H.C.

[Burzdol]

I didn't like the part in which Gandalf mounted Shadowfax for the first time. I guess this is a mistake, because Shadowfax had stirrups after Gandalf mouted. Maybe I just am nitpicking, but that annoys me.<P>Burzdol

[Finwe]

I think that the scene that I hated the most was Faramir screaming "NAZGUL!!!!!!!!" in TTT. The way he opens his mouth in slow motion makes me want to yell at him, "Close your mouth before those Nazgul steeds do something in it!"

[Meneltarmacil]

I wonder why nobody noticed this.<P>When Frodo and Sam are watching the Easterlings going to Mordor, they are facing south toward the gate. The Easterlings should be coming from the left, but instead the movie shows them coming from the right.<P>-------------------<P>"I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."<P>"So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Easterlings should be coming from the left, but instead the movie shows them coming from the right. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I can't remember whether they are actually described as Easterlings in the film. But, in the Book, they are Haradrim from the South. As Gollum says:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Smeagol thinks they have come out of the South beyond the Great River's end ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And that is why they were marching towards the Black Gate from the right - they had come up through Ithilien.

[Elentári]

Yeah, that's what I had assumed, until I saw some of those official stills calling them Easterlings...<BR>I got really annoyed by Aragorn falling off the cliff...but maybe because that's not in the book.<BR>And about the danger in Fangorn Forest...well Aragorn hadn't been in it, had he? He and Boromir, and even Legolas, had no idea about what made the woods so feared. They were warned by Celeborn to avoid them. Ok, so I have no idea about how that has any relevance whatsoever, never mind...

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

The whole warg attack bothered me. I mean, they could have used that time to poison Frodo! Later on, though.

[Meneltarmacil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The whole warg attack bothered me. I mean, they could have used that time to poison Frodo! Later on, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Or to have Gandalf break Saruman's staff.

[Sauron_the_Abhorred]

I really enjoyed LEgolas's horse trick, it didnt look fake....<P>has anyone ever noticed, that when they are at the Door of Durin, Gandalf says "mellon", which is ELVISH, but shouldn't it be in Khuzdul...<P>and Gandalf does let go on the bridge of Khazad-Dum

[Finwe]

Actually what happened was that Celebrimbor of Eregion (who was an Elf) helped make the doors, so perhaps when Narvi (the Dwarf who worked on the doors) finished actually building them, it was Celebrimbor who came up with the password, since it was he who "drew these signs" on the door.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The whole warg attack bothered me. I mean, they could have used that time to poison Frodo! Later on, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Why leave out the warg attack? It fit well with the movie. Most people don't have any problem with it. Although I do think they could've elminated Aragorn's cliff-falling accident, Aragorn's remembrance of Arwen when at Rivendell, & Farimir's insistance on taking the hobbits to Osgiliath. THAT would've left plenty of time for Shelob & the wizard confrontation. <BR> <BR> Iarwin: I'm with you. I loved the closeness to the books that FotR had, then was upset with some of the drastic changes in TTT when I expected roughly the same closeness (silly me ). And the Aragorn vs. Sauron matchup slated for RotK truly has me FREAKED!<BR> <p>[ July 15, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[Meneltarmacil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And the Aragorn vs. Sauron matchup slated for RotK truly has me FREAKED!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't know, I actually liked the idea. There really should have been more to the Battle of the Morannon than a troll falling down on Pippin or eagles attacking the ringwraiths. Plus people will probably want to actually SEE Sauron in the final battle instead of just hearing about him (myself included).<p>[ July 15, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[The Only Real Estel]

Ah yes, but it sounds like another one of PJ's, "Hmmm, lets see. Oh THIS would look cool! Lets add this!" moments. Sauron needed the Ring to take his form, not a time deadline expiring. & Aragorn gets smacked around a bit before the Ring gets destroyed? Right. Sure. Lets all just stop & remember how Sauron was taking 10 to 15 guys out with ONE, count 'em ONE swing in the 'history' before FotR. & yet Aragorn survives a couple? I guess if PJ wants to go back on something he's already filmed, that's his problem, he can digs his own grave. & answer his own LOTR fans. The ones he has left anyway.

[Meneltarmacil]

Maybe 10 or 15 guys did get smacked around... but I didn't see Isildur go down that easy. Also, Sauron was wearing the Ring when he did THAT.

[The Only Real Estel]

Isildur didn't go down so easily because he was never hit by Sauron. I did see Elendil ( I think that was Isildur's father's name ) goe down quite easily after he was hit. And it doesn't really matter weather he's wearing the Ring or not, he'd regained enough power that he only needed the Ring for his physical form, & to GUARENTEE victory. Aragorn shouldn't last as long as he will. Something else to hate PJ for! <p>[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[maikafanawen]

How about in TTT at the beginning of the Battle of Helms Deep when Gimli is complaining about the lack of action. Then Aragorn yells "Ladders!" in elvish and Gimli says "Yes!"<P>I'm positive Gimli does not understand elvish in the movies after the Lothlorien scene in FOTR so is this a gaffe or can someone explain it?<P>-Maikafanawen

[The Only Real Estel]

Ah, yes. That's been brought up before in other places, no explaination for it yet. It IS rather strange...