Silmarillion the movie??

[Durregiel]

Hey all , havn't been able to get on in AGES but got talking to fellow fans the other day about this topic and got me thinking... <BR>IF they were to make a movie (iknow its impossible because of all the time in the book and how would they divide everything up into 3 or so hours...)<BR>BUT who would all you guys choose to play the parts of the characters?(ie the ones not in lotrs movies coz we know them already) <BR>Anyway glad to be back and so many new people since last i came on:s<BR>cant wait to hear your answers^^

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

Hmmm... I don't know if it would make a good theatrical movie, but it think it would do well as a made for TV movie or an HBO original movie. I think that people wouldn't like it in the theatre because it contains so many short stories... unless, of course, there was an excellent screen play written.<BR>As for actors to protray the characters...<BR>Wow, there are so many characters that I can't even think right now... I need to go look everyone up!

[Aroaraniel]

I think that it would make a good movie, but I don't think people who haven't read that book would like to see it. Too complicated. Well at least for 14-year-old me! But the book was really good anyhow!

[Raefindel]

I son't think it would ever work as a movie, (as you said, too many ages, too many stories),but it would make a great TV series.

[eleniwilwarin]

i think it would be hard to make the movie as good as the book and i dont think they can make it fair to it eather... i wonder who they would choose to be Lúthien i cant think of anyone who can match that character in this world... and all the valars? no i think it would be best not to do a movie about it.... (i think i love that book too much to think they can do all the characters in the book fair as they should be....)

[The Silver-shod Muse]

Hollywoodizing the Silm would be an extremely formidable task, but, provided it was done well, I would love to see it as a movie. (Especially the Kinslaying and the two Trees), though it would be difficult to cast, as many elves as there are.

[Davin]

The Silmarillion isn't the kind of book that is turned into a theatrical movie. The Hobbit however would be amazing....I really hope PJ decides to do that!

[Durialion]

I agree if you have'ny read the book it would be totally confusing. http://www.lordoftherings.net/images/le_gal_thumb_mori3.gif

[MYyyPreciousSS]

I think that The Silmarillion as a movie wouldn't be such a good idea, for many of the reasons already said. <BR>TV show? Possibly. But movie I don't think would work out.

[the phantom]

No one is giving suggestions on cast members, but I'll give a few of mine anyway.<BR>Feanor=Joquin Phoenix<BR>Thingol=Sean Connery<BR>Luthien=Natalie Portman<BR>Beren=Owen Wilson<BR>Melian=Elle Macpherson<BR>Fingolfin=Russel Crowe (dyed hair)<BR>Glaurung's voice=James Earl Jones<BR>Hurin=Me<BR>Not trying to be funny with Hurin. Before I ever really thought about it, I had a couple friends tell me that when Hurin's appearance and characteristics were described, they thought of me.<BR>So, anyone agree with any members of my cast?<BR>Does anyone hate one of my selections?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Natalie Portman? The most beautiful being ever?<BR>Now there's a role that would be hard to pull off!<P>How about Christian Bale playing Melkor in fair form?<BR>Yeah! And Arnold Swarzenegger as Turin!<BR>Might as well pull in Cameron Diaz for Melian.<P>OK, I'm getting ridiculous now. Sorry. I do like that Christian Bale one though....<P>Imagine getting to play the part of Eru...

[Durregiel]

Yes ok ok i know it was kinda stupid but i like this Hobbit idea( prob coz then i would have a chance of being in it this time dang y couldnt they wait about 6 months before filming because i was too young to be in the extras (nooo my horse and i could have been extras:'() anyway thanks for replying everyone^^

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm going to say right now that I want the part of Finarfin.<BR>Or Manwe. Either one's good.

[Emni Windrunner]

I can't see Natalie Portman as an Elf at all, let alone Luthien. That said...hm. I don't know who I'd cast as Luthien; that's a tough call. I'll have to give it some thought for the myriad of others.<P>As for making any actual movie or something of it, I don't know how it would work. However, because of its episodic nature, it would be almost ideal for a miniseries if you got the right screenwriters.<P>Ooh, I had a thought:<BR>Jaye Davidson as Melkor<BR>He looked absolutely satanic in <I>Stargate</I>, but he could probably pull off the beautiful form, too, if he concentrates on looking like a good guy.

[Shadowstrife911]

It would be nice to see it as a movie but I don't think the Directors are up to the daunting task of writing screenplay for it.

[Eol]

There was thread about this several months ago. I was discussing this with my friend and came to the conclusion, mini serious on the telie is the only way the Sil can be done even to half-baked.<P>First, do not script named faces, as what happened with Liv Taylor as Arwen, as some people will demand higher pay and larger parts when their character has a two second show.( those who supported the role change were Liv Taylor fans and those who did not were not fans). This would also lower costs( because pay would be lower for unknowns) and allow for those unknowns to get their foot in the door.<P>Script writing...hmmm, take tons of notes of the Sil and have a large group of writers. Also have the actors read the book and take notes on their character on their behavior, noted traits and behavior around other characters.<BR>Then there will be the impossible structure of how to break the Sil up as each story had relevence as they tie into the Silmarils. Plus, I would not put "ears" on the elves. Lower more costs. Lower overhead, less stress to make the extra buck.<P>I would rather they take years to work on before filming rather then attempt the one year wonder. It will far better because of the care taken. The CORRECT detail would be intailed. Such if the trees are discribed gold and no falling leaves, that will be there.<BR>It would be fun, but I would be afraid to see it done because the above would most likely NOT happen. Hollywood mentality, you have to famous, you have to make thousands of millions of dollars and get an award. None of that matters in the end.

[Galadel Vinorel]

Well, I think that it would be very hard to make a movie based on the Silmarillion. I don't think that anyone really wants to make a movie out of the Silmarillion. I mean, come one, can you imagine making that book into a movie script?! That is one job I certainly don't want. I have read the Silmarillion, and I would never want to be the producer for that movie. Plus, you would probally have to make MANY VERY LONG movies out of it, and besides Tolkien fans, who would want to see ALL of those movies?.

[the phantom]

In ten to twenty years when I'm filthy rich, I'll offer to pay PJ and his team so much money that they will definitely want to make The Silmarilion.<BR>And also, get off Natalie Portman! There isn't really anybody who can play Luthien! I just think she'd be one of the best. She has a pretty face and a nice body, but the biggest reason I selected her was because her long dark hair is so gorgeous!!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think Eliza Dushku is maybe the hottest actress out there but I'm not sure anyone could play Luthien perfectly so....yeah, just cast someone. I mean, Liv Tyler is never pretty enough to play Arwen but I still think she did fairly well.<P>But maybe they could animate Luthien...lol

[Eol]

define beauty. Is is solely based on apperance or is it more? It is a fair question.

[eleniwilwarin]

i still dont think there can be anyone to play Lúthien noone is that beautiful.

[Davin]

Give me a wig and I'll play Luthien.<P>Almost everyone here has in some way shape or form said that The Sil won't be made into a movie....so let's worry about the Hobbit. I just see them making it into a movie after RotK is released.....<P>I read somewhere that the rights were bought to The Sil and The Hobbit....so there is a fairly good chance that atleast the Hobbit will be made into a movie (or several movies). They are probably just waiting so they can make their millions off of the LotR films....I want to be in the Hobbit!

[maleliel]

The only thing I can find wrong with making a movie of The Hobbit would be that (to my knowledge) there is no female characters. So... If it were made into as movie they might add female characters. <BR>The Silm, I agree, would be a ver hard movie to make but if there was the right amount of dedication it could be done. Maybe, possibly! Also, I think it would be good, if they did make it into a film, if they used fans of The Silm as the actors/actresses because then the movie would have a more genuine feel, I think. <BR>It would be tough to cast Luthien though, I agree.

[Eol]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The only thing I can find wrong with making a movie of The Hobbit would be that (to my knowledge) there is no female characters. So... If it were made into as movie they might add female characters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It is rather sexist to make up female roles in a story where there wass none in the first place. Not only is is sexist, it cheapens the female part because it become the token character.<P>The hobbit has been done before and did not miss a beat. Why fix something that is not broke?<P>Davin: I would LOVE to see that, though it would be a bit strange with the whole Beren thing. <P>Seriously, the whole beauty thing lays in the eyes of the beholder. The opinion of beauty changes with time and through cultures. All you really need is someone with a pretty face and long dark hair.<p>[ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: Eol ]

[Manwe Sulimo]

<I>The Silmarillion</I> would be amazing as a movie/series of movies/TV miniseries if it could be pulled off. Miniseries would probably be best, maybe an installment for every major story (i.e. "Narn î Hin Húrin" and "Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin" would make good 2-hour specials). One rule that would (probably) be important:<P>The Valar (and Melkor/Morgoth) should not be played by an actor. Sort of that "God shall not be portrayed" or whatever. (Sauron and Melian should be safe for actors, though.)<P>I don't have any good suggestions for actors/actresses, though. I <I>so</I> claim the part of young Túrin, though.<P>Wasn't <I>The Hobbit</I> done as a cartoon a while ago? I've never seen it, but a movie with the same actors playing the same roles (Bilbo and Gandalf, and maybe Glóin), it would be awesome. Imagine Smaug detroying Esgaroth...<I>on the big screen</I>....

[Durregiel]

go devin , go devin!, im with eol on that making up and girl part.. looked what happened in the movie.... arg no glorfindel!!!!grrrr.<BR>i would so love the hobbit to be remade (coz i missed out on being in LOTRs by 6 months>.< and i need something to make me feel better.. im wouldnt mind even as an extra.....)<P>p.s.i think Norah Jones looks like a good elven princess, but thas just my opinion...

[Roquen]

I know this goes against the grain but shouldn't Liv play Luthian? Arwen was supposed to be the semi-reincarnation of Luth' so...!

[Dimaldaeon]

Wow Roquen I was just about to say that. One of the many problems would be how to portray the Valar, i'm all for a cg Vala with a decent actors voice. But as far as i know apart from Ulmo none of the other Valar were described in great detail.

[eleniwilwarin]

i would not want to see liv tyler play Lúthien it would not feal right. its nothing wrong with liv but i just cant see her as Lúthien...