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Roquen

11-11-2002, 04:28 PM

So, Just wanted to know what everyone thought of the new edit of the Fellowship of the Ring. My own opinion is that this is a somewhat more faithful version of the film to the book. Most notable for me are the added scenes with Aragorn. It's amazing what just a couple of extra peices have done for his character! The look on his face while telling Frodo about the tale of Luthien and Beren...! Incredeble!!! It's was also much more pleasing to see a little more happyness in Lothlorien. Galadriels smile is just beautiful to see and was missed in the theatrical cut. All in all, though, all the characters are given just a little more to go with in this release; Gimli's gift from Galadriel, Legolas' extra scenes in Lothlorien (did he really just mention Morgoth!), Boromirs added tention and more informative moments with Aragorn... The Hobbits get especialy good treatment from this release also. I actually cheered to see the Sackville-baggins', the Gaffer and Ted Sandyman! But it's the small moments of Frodo's and Gandalfs that are standout for me. I just loved the Flet scene showing Frodos growing paranoia and we're given more of a sence that the Ring is literaly weighing heavy on him. Gandalf is much more like the literary Wizard due to his added lines showing his more gruff and cantankerous side, espescialy toward Pippin! Just like the book!!! I did feel that the new Bilbo scenes, although very useful, did disrupt the start of the film for me. To disjointed in my eye's. Overall I liked the fact that the extra scenes gave an extra sence of time during the journey, due to the fact that many of the newly added scenes take place during the night, spliting the previously quick scenes from one day to two. I'd also like to applaued the tranfer. The picture this time out just has a slight edge over the first DVD release. How this was done is beyond me because i thought that the origanal picture quality was fantastic. The new DTS sound track is breathtaking also! It has a real organic quality over the standard 5.1 Dolby Digital track. I've rambled on enough about all this so I'll leave the extras for another time! Let me know what you all thought of the new edit.

Diamond18

11-11-2002, 05:00 PM

You lucky dog! It's not coming out until tomorrow in the States. I'll tell you what I thought of it then!

Cazoz

11-11-2002, 06:05 PM

Where the hell did you get it from? I was around the shops in Hammersmith today and everywhere said I'd have to wait until tomorrow. Well it's after midnight now, but I don't have the energy to get a night bus down to Tower Records in Piccadilly. Damn, I bet they have it right now! Anyways, congratulations on getting it so early, and sorry for sounding confrontational, it's just envy!

Arwen Evenstar the Fair

11-11-2002, 06:37 PM

Wow thats soooooo awesome, thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!! Man, I have to wait till tomorrow. Can you list all the extra senses please!!!!!!![ November 11, 2002: Message edited by: Arwen Evenstar the Fair ]

Balrog of Khazadum

11-11-2002, 06:48 PM

Yay! i want that

Tigerlily Gamgee

11-11-2002, 07:51 PM

Dang! I won't get mine until at least Wednesday because Amazon just shipped it today! I know someone who saw it in the theatre last Tuesday, though, & she said it was amazing!

Child of the 7th Age

11-11-2002, 07:53 PM

Tigerlilly,Where is it showing in an actual theater?sharon, the 7th age hobbit

Tigerlily Gamgee

11-11-2002, 08:07 PM

It was because of a Moviefone contest that occurred. The showing was only for one night in select cities for those who won the contest. I did not hear about it until too late! Sigh!

Roquen

11-12-2002, 01:34 AM

Wow! I really didn't think that anyone would have a problem getting this!!! OK, not to annoy any of you further but I got my copy on Friday thr 8th!!!! I got it from Blackstar in the UK. (www.blackstar.co.uk) They always send slightly early so as to make sure you get it on release day. As for all the deleted scenes... SPOILER ALERT!!!Still here?ok then, this is what I can remember...There is an exta peice showing Isildur putting the Ring on and making for the Anduin when they are attacked. Then theres about 7 mins worth added at the start with Bilbo giving you the low down on the shire, not Gandalf! As well as totaly new scenes, theres compleatly new takes of old scenes! Bilbo is writing the Red Book and thinks he's lost the Ring. Theres a nice Scene of him losing his temper 'cause he can't find it! Theres an extra part with Gandalf and Bilbo at bagend but nothing significant. The next major Scene is the small introduction of the Sackville-baggins' and Bilbo and Frodo hiding from them at the party then having a nice moment together. The next nice moment is in the Grren Dragon pub. This shows a little more of all the Hobbits but now including the famous talk (slightly altered) of the Gaffer and Ted Sandyman talking about things going on in the world at large. Plus a little moment with Rosey and Sam. The next thing I can think of is The Midgewater Marshes and Aragorn singing the Lay of Luthien (Viggo wrote this!!! watch the MASSIVE extras!) and the famous line added "would seem fairer but feel fouler" from Frodo. Then I think it's on to Rivendel where the Council has a better twist with Gandalf booming the Blackspeech of the Ring to the dismay of all!!! Theres a nice moment added where they leave Imladris (actually called this at one point now!) with Frodo not knowing wheather to go left or right. Beatiful unspoken moment between Aragorn and Arwen too. Oh, I forgot the part with Aragorn cleaning his mothers grave and discusing it all with elrond plus a new moment between Boromir and Aragorn. The next lot of added scenes are at Kazad Doom. As I said before, Gandalf is shown losing his temper with Pip. Theres a nice scene between Gandalf and Frodo discussing the power of the Ring and how it is effecting the Fellowship, and there are more scenes inside explaining the mining of Mithril and it's value. Gollum is actually called smeagol at one point to! Ok, got to go to work now but if you want the rest, let me know and I'll post it.

Roquen

11-12-2002, 07:15 AM

Hi again. It's now my luch break so Ithought I'd give you a little more of whats on the disks.Right then, the Lothlorien scene is much longer with a whole new edit of Haldir. This time on a Flet. Aragorn has to convince Haldir to take them to see Galadriel. This scene feels far far closer to the book in the way that the relationships play out. Frodo has a much more paranoid scene where he's feeling the glances of the Fellowship on him and he feels a sence of blame for Gandalfs death. Again, this scene feels like it's taking place over the course of two days because the flet scene is at night then they continue there journy Caras Caladoun the next day. You actually get to see it from the outside too! Celeborn gets much more screen time this time out too. Much better. He gives Aragorn a Elvish dagger inscribed with the words "foes of Morgoth" and Legolas mentions the Balrog as an emisserary of Morgoth. Nice touch for true fans! Galadriel is given a much softer side during the gift giving scene. Gimlis words are straight from the book! I dare any of you not to laugh at the new Lembas scene with Mary and Pip!!! Next is the River scene showing a tiny glimps of Gollum grasping to a log. Again this is at night giving the River journey an extended feel. Boromir and Aragorn have a heated discution unaware of Frodo listening, giving his sence of plight greater weight. There are lots of tiny little peaices that I've forgotten to mention so forgive me if I left anything out. If anyone wants a run down of the extras, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to cover it all (there is TONS of stuff!) I just have to thanks all the guys responsible for this release!!!! Fantastic job!!! For fans of Tom theres a lovely Thank you from the four Hobbits on one of the comentary tracks... They thank Tom for looking after them while in the old forest! Nice touch! Can't wait for you guys to get this so I can compare things!!! Thanks for all your kind ords to!! You guys rock!!!!!!

Diamond18

11-12-2002, 10:58 AM

Roquen, do you mean that they took out the cart-ride and replaced it with other stuff? Oh, and I liked that scene so much...I hope it's not gone totally. (Tonight seems so long away. I'll never last. I'm probably going to do a really bad job at work today. This is too much.) Thanks for all the spoilers! I'm an incurable spoilee.

Arwen Evenstar the Fair

11-12-2002, 11:26 AM

Wow that rocks!!!! Thanks!!!!

Roquen

11-12-2002, 11:49 AM

No, the cart ride is all there but Bilbo is doing most of the talking as he writes There and Back again. Just slightly different takes were used this time to show a slightly more sinister bent on the fact that Frodo suspects something... You'll see.

alkquareiel02

11-12-2002, 11:57 AM

I got it and watched it,and it is better than the first film and definately closer to the book in some ways,in Lorien it was good to see the gift giving bit and the shire etc. I couldn't wait to get my mits on it! Gonna watch the extra's later!

Lhunbelethiel

11-12-2002, 02:47 PM

ARRRRRRRRRRRGH! 3 more hours of work till I get my copy!!!!! I better call Blockbuster to make sure they still have mine on hold! wahhh! I can't wait!

Helkasir

11-12-2002, 08:57 PM

I would have replied earlier were I not in the process of watching the movie.

Diamond18

11-12-2002, 10:36 PM

I'm in heaven! I just loved the gift-giving scene, and the part where they first come before Celeborn and Galadriel, and Galadriel says some nice things to Gimli and smiles at him. I'm so glad they finally got Gimli's love for her in there! The way the giving was intercut with the members leaving on the boat was great because it showed them fondly remembering her. I love the dialogue between Legolas and Gimli:"I will now call nothing fair except for her gift."(my lousy paraphrase) "What did she give you?" "I asked her for one strand of her golden hair...she gave me three."Love it!More things I loved...the part by the doors of Moria where Pippin says "Nothing's happening" and "Well what are you going to do?" and Gandalf replies, "Knock on the doors with your head, and if that doesn't shatter it to pieces...etc." When Aragorn is singing the Lay of Luthien is another great part... And when Boromir saves Sam from being stomped on by the Troll...And oh! The dark, evil side of me loved the part where Lurtz licked the blood off of the dagger (kinda like Shagrat in RotK) and when Pippin jumps on the Orc and stabs it in the throat (go Pip!).I'm glad my favorite parts of the cart-ride were left in. It did seem a bit disjointed in the beginning, but perhaps the more I watch it the less it will seem that way.There were some parts I didn't like. The whole flet scene with Haldir seemed pointless beyond Boromir's line. I don't recall Haldir being that nasty in the book...and I missed Gimli's line, "Aragorn, these woods are perilous, we should go back." I wouldn't have added that.And when Galadriel gives Pippin his dagger she tells him, "Do not be afraid, Peregrin Took. You will find your courage." I don't think Pippin's problem was ever lack of courage (compared to the other three hobbits). Of course, in the book he was more reckless than stupid, and in the movie he was more stupid, so that line fit with his movie personna. I just didin't think Pip should be singled out as needing courage.Anything that I haven't mentioned, I liked! Or loved! [ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: Diamond18 ]

JenFramp

11-12-2002, 10:51 PM

I was wondering how quick a topic would be put up here considering it has only just come out today..hehe I just got done with it..wow... it gives alot of information for the poor people who haven’t read the book...I liked the beginning a lot! BUT my favorite part by far was the whole part in Lothlorien..they added lots to that!! I was really impressed..Lothlorien is beautiful..and of course the part where Sam tries to add a verse to Gandalf’s lament is funny..my favorite part of the extended edition however, is the ticket to go see the Two Towers

elfling

11-12-2002, 11:01 PM

Wow, I just finished watching the new extended and it was great it felt like soo much more than 30 min was added. It made a big dif. I think. I thought it was better. Iloved the Gimli and Gal. scenes it was very touching to give Gimli more heart and more lines. The Shire and Hobbit additions were also informative and i loved the added humor of the Hobbits and when Aragorn hit Gimli for snoring. I just LOVED IT! Please excuse any spamming I'm tired and very happy.

Nevfeniel

11-12-2002, 11:01 PM

Okay, I am SO annoyed. I pre-ordered the special edition, and the website said I would receive it the day it comes out, which is TODAY! Needless to say, it hasn't arrived.

Raefindel

11-13-2002, 12:01 AM

I got the collector's edition (the boxed set wtih the Argonath bookends). I wondered why it was so much more expensive than just the movie! It has a ticket to see TTT inside, as well as 3 cards from the game, and the National Geographic special, too! (shoot! I bought that special way back in April!) Loved Sam's fireworks lines and Aragorn hitting Gimli for snoring.

alkquareiel02

11-13-2002, 01:22 AM

I was gonna get that but I got too impatient and got the other,on the monday t-time the guy rang me from choices to tell me he had it,but he couldn't let me have it until Tuesday,that was maddening,but I've it watched it now,the other one was nearly 40 quid,but I bet its worth it! Darn!

LePetitChoux

11-13-2002, 03:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I got the collector's edition (the boxed set wtih the Argonath bookends). I wondered why it was so much more expensive than just the movie! It has a ticket to see TTT inside, as well as 3 cards from the game, and the National Geographic special, too! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WELL!<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Argonath Bookends: YES <LI>Ticket for TTT: NO <LI>3 Cards for the game: NO <LI>National Geographic secial: NO</UL>Thats what I got in the post just now. Should I sue Amazon?

mollecon

11-13-2002, 05:19 AM

Have seen it a couple of times now (the first sequence of it I mean) - I like all of it exept Bilbo's account of the shire. I like that we see more of it, but Bilbo's talk? Hmm, no..

Eomer of the Rohirrim

11-13-2002, 09:08 AM

Well you guys have said everything and I know I'm about the 14th person to say this but what the hell. LOTHLORIEN! WOW!Galadriel actually smiled! Celeborn spoke! Oh Lord, CELEBORN SPOKE! How gutted must Martin Csokas have been when he saw the cinema version. Oh well.Frodo's Mordor line was very funny and Gandalf's Black Speech was just awesome. I also really liked the Aragorn/Elrond scene.But wasn't Aragorn's punch on Gimli a tad harsh? I don't know, maybe you really have to belt a Dwarf to get through to him.

GreyIstar

11-13-2002, 09:53 AM

I like the way they entered Lothlorien now and Aragorn had to plead with Haldir to let them in.The sequence with Galadriel and Gimli is priceless. Galadriel and Celeborn were so much fleshed out and I like how Legolas explained that Gandalf was taken by a Balrog of Morgoth!! Holy crap they are actually mentioning stuff from the Silmarillion!!!

TolkienGurl

11-13-2002, 11:40 AM

This is one of my favorites of the added parts (My boyfriend and I bought the collectors' edition last night and watched it! Yay Argonath bookends!):Legolas, holding a piece of lembas: 'Lembas! One small bite will satisfy a grown Man for a day.'Merry to Pippin: 'How many did you eat?'Pippin: 'Four.' *BELCH*Hey - they gave Celeborn a lot more lines! Now he has, like, 10! [ November 13, 2002: Message edited by: TolkienGurl ]

LePetitChoux

11-13-2002, 11:43 AM

That bit is one of my favourites too. Did you see Legolas with a jug in his hands? Sothats where Mirror-Jug number one went...

Diamond18

11-13-2002, 12:00 PM

Oh! I just remembered another part that I loved. When Frodo and Bilbo hide from the Sackville-Bagginses, and Bilbo starts to talk all sentimental. Frodo asks him, "Have you been into the Gaffer's special brew?"Bilbo: "No! Well...yes...but that's not the reason I'm saying this."Oh yeah, and the Legolas/Merry/Pippin Lembas scene was great too. Yeah, I'll bet Martin Csokas was thinking, "They only left my part of one line that makes me look like an idiot! What gives????" I liked his line about, "Seldom do Orcs travel in sunlight, yet these have done so."

Frodo Baggins

11-13-2002, 12:26 PM

I was so happy that Celeborn got more lines!!!! I stayed up a quarter of the night watching the movie and the other things (haven't finished yet).Loved the extra parts in the Shire with Bilbo's narration. And when he keeps telling Frodo to get the door, only Frodo's not there! And that was a powerful scene when he can't find the ring, very well done!OOOO! Creepy Sacville-Bagginses. It was cool seeing them though! And that little scene between Frodo and Bilbo, "I am very selfish" almost made me cry! It was so sweet! Oh! Almost forgot, the part where Isildur puts on the Ring and dives into the water, that was very well done and essential I think.Merry and Pippin's little song and dance routine at The Green Dragon, with Frodo joining in once in a while, that was good. AAAaa! I saw the Gaffer! I'm so happy they stuck him in there, he put in a good word for Frodo when Ted Sandyman was not being nice."Don't worry, Sam. Rosie knows an idiot when she sees one. *worried Sam* "She does??" That was too cute!"Look fairer but feel fouler" wasn't that in the book too? I'll have to go check.ooh ooh and when Sam and Frodo see the elves leaving Middle-Earth! I LOVED that scene!The Midgewater Marshes, I was disappionted when they didn't have that in the theatrical cut, glad they put it back in.Aragorn's lay of Luthien, that was very good."Look, Frodo, Mr. Bilbo's trolls" I'm glad someone FINALLY mentioned the stone trolls.When Boromir was reaching for the Ring at the beginning of the council. I must say that was frightening. I wonder what Elrond would have done if he had grabbed it? And when Gandalf spoke Black Speech, that was powerful! Legolas certainly looked ill at ease there didn't he? Elrond didn't look too well either, sort of like I look when I'm on top of a high place, somewhere between getting sick and fainting. Mordor, left or right?" that was good too.Brormir's line about the snow being the death of the Hobbits, that was in the book and a welcome addition. I wonder what Gimli REALLy saod to Haldir? I'm sure it wasn't nice. That whole flet scene was good.As I said before, Celeborn Spoke!!! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm so glad he got more lines! He's not the stupid grouch of an elf he seems to be in the other version. And I paid more attention to Aragorn's dagger after seeing Celebrn gave it to him.When Sam was reciting his poetry, and Gimli stars snoring. Aragorn gives him a disgusted look and whaps him! I laughed SO HARD!Bring on the gifts!!!! woo hooo! Yeah! I loved the look on Legolas' face when Gimli told him about how he asked Galadriel for one of her hairs and she gave him three.Saw Gollum on a floating log, and Brormir and Aragorn having a tiny bit of an argument.Go Pippin! Kill more orcs!lesee is that it?Loved the whole thing! So glad I have it!

DaughterofVana

11-13-2002, 12:34 PM

Impressions from the Extended Edition:1. CELEBORN IS AN ACTUAL CHARACTER! WOO-HOO! I posted on another thread a while ago how disappointed I was on the theatrical version cutting him down--now he actually seems like the King of Lothlorien instead of Mr. Galadriel. 2. And Galadriel is a NICE PERSON! My mother, a Tolkien layman in every sense of the word, thought initally that Galadriel was up on the evil meter with Saruman. Her character is so much more fleshed out and developed, and I was exceedingly pleased. 3. Didn't mind the Haldir scene, though some subtitles when he and Aragorn were conversing (arguing?) would have been nice. And I think he WAS that mean in the books, up to a point--he initially made everyone go blindfolded though Lothlorien, and before the company convinced him otherwise Gimli was going to be barred from entering at all. At least in the ExEd there was some trip-ups on getting into Caras Galadon because of the company of a dwarf--more true to FSotR.4. MORE ELVISH!! WOO-HOO!! I was in heaven. In the first movie, Arwen got the most elvish lines, and since she wasn't supposed to get that many lines, period, I thought it was sort of unfair. But now Aragorn tops the cake (and as Elessar, he should) and the extended scenes with Elrond at his mother's tomb, singing in the Marshes about Tinuviel, and conversing with Haldir and Galadriel lets us believe fully now that the guy grew up with the elves. And LOTHLORIEN?? Broken record that, so I'll stop. 5. But my favorite scene of all: the passing of the elves. That song that they sing is the most beautiful thing I think I have ever heard. I could listen to that over and over again. I wish they had it on the soundtrack!That's enough for me.-'Vana

Liriodendron

11-13-2002, 01:42 PM

I'm very happy with the new edition. Most of the new or enhanced scenes are the "good" stuff like hobbit lore, elves, Aragorn, Boromir, Gandalf, etc. I did really like the licking the blood off the new dagger though! That Lurtz has got the scariest evil eye I've ever seen! I grooved to the sight of GIMLI'S HEAD! It gave his character more depth for me. I'm very, very happy, and I love my Ticket!

Elwing16

11-13-2002, 01:49 PM

I actually don't know when the Special Edition is released in Greece but I am looking forward to it!!! To be honest, I can't wait

TolkienGurl

11-13-2002, 01:55 PM

I can't believe they had the Sackville-Bagginses in the movie!!! That was so funny!"What to they live on when they can't get Hobbit?" I wish Sam would have said that. Gimli and Galadriel = the perfect pair "I asked for one lock of hair off her golden head, and she gave me three!" Oh, and that stupid Hobbit that kept itching his ears! That cracked me up!It seemed awfully mean of Merry when he said "He's foul enough." Grrr... [ November 13, 2002: Message edited by: TolkienGurl ]

Arwen Imladris

11-13-2002, 02:58 PM

Booo HOoo! I still don't have a DVD player! Any more Spoilers for me???

Arwen1858

11-13-2002, 03:02 PM

Oh, it was AWESOME!!! I only rented it, as I didn't have money for the collectors edition, but hope to get it for Christmas. I LOVED IT!!!! Lothlorien.... oh! It was wonderful! Galadriel smiled! All the characters are more fleshed out with more personality. I loved the scene in the Green Dragon! And the lembas scene! that was too funny! To me, you saw more of how lonely Strider really was. The look on his face after the line about looking fair and feeling foul... he just looked so lonely! Like he wanted somebody to trust him. And the scene in Rivendell, where he was talking to Galadriel about Arwen, and said he would have her go with her people... my eyes started watering up. His love for her is so selfless. And the Rivendell farewell scene, that was soooo sad! The way he looked back at her, her eyes all watering up, then he nodded to her and left. Oh! I liked the way when they walked out the gate Frodo said, 'Mordor, Gandalf. Is it left or right?' I have to watch all the special features now before returning it to the movie store. I hope I get it for Christmas! If not, I'll buy it myself the next day! ~ Arwen, Queen of Gondor, who is lamenting the fact that she has to return the movie to Blockbuster

Arwen1858

11-13-2002, 03:43 PM

I also thought the Council of Elrond was very interesting. They added Gandalf speaking in the black tongue. Boromir was near the ring, started reaching for it, then you heard Elrond say 'Boromir!' I believe that was when Gandalf started quoting the lines that were written on the ring. I also thought it was cool the way the had Gandalf mention at one point that Gollum used to be called Smeagol. And the Trolls!!! After Weathertop, right before Sam says, 'Mr Frodo? He's going cold!' Sam leans over Frodo and says something about 'Mr. Bilbo's trolls' and you see them in the background. I liked that the had Otho and Lobelia too. Arwen, Queen of Gondor edit: do y'all see my picture? It's not showing up on my computer....[ November 13, 2002: Message edited by: Arwen1858 ]

Mintyztwin

11-13-2002, 05:24 PM

Ah . . . nope. No picture! Yay! It has more good stuff! MAYBE I can convince mom that we can buy it! (hope hope!) That was her MIAN problem. "It was all EEEEEEVil!!!" Hmm .. . but it's starting to sound GOOD! (She hasnt' read the books - which arent all evil.) Now if I can just convince Dad that the little girls (age 5 & 3) won't ever accidentally see it . . . That reminds me. One of the time I saw FotR in the theatre, somebody had brought a 2 year old! I cannNOT imagine letting a little kid see that! He'd have nightmares for life!

Diamond18

11-13-2002, 05:43 PM

I can see your picture, Arwen. It's of Arwen standing in a purple dress, right?

TolkienGurl

11-13-2002, 07:02 PM

Mintyztwin: My little cousin is a very girly 6 year old. You know, Barbie, Disney Princesses, the whole kaboodle. Anyway, my aunt and uncle took her to see The Fellowship, and she LOVED it! You know how little kids are always having to go to the bathroom or something? Well, she sat on my uncle's lap the whole time without squirming! Yay! I have a cool little cousin. Oh, and she also loves Arwen. To no end. A few months ago she drew huge pictures of all the characters. They were great!Also, my little boy cousins (5 & 10) watched it with me at their house while I was babysitting. They thought it was cool.But a 2 year old!?!?! That's nuts!

Diamond18

11-13-2002, 11:08 PM

Another great thing about the Extended Edition is that the first glimpse we get of Sam is of him in his garden, looking lovingly at some flowers he's working on. In the reg. ed. the first time we saw him he was drinking ale at the b-day party, and fearful of dancing with Rose.So in this edition his "introduction" is as "Sam the Gardener" instead of "Sam the Girl-Shy Ale-Swigger."I mean, I liked that scene from the b-day party...it was very cute...but this is just another example of how the Extended Edition makes a good movie better.I also liked the scene in the Green Dragon where she smiles at him...and afterwards when he mutters something about one of the other hobbits sweet talking her, and Frodo replies with, "Don't worry Sam, Rosie knows and idiot when she sees one." ... "She does?"I just like Sam and Rosie's relationship, it's so sweet, and it's nice to see more of it in the Extended Edition. Bliss... What would really make me fall over would be to hear the name "Diamond" mentioned offhand or something. And give me the moon while you're at it. So far I've only watched the Tolkien biography on the "Appendices" (great idea for what to call the special features!)

Mintyztwin

11-14-2002, 01:16 AM

It would still terrify my sisters. (The first time I saw Bambi, the fire scene scared me! I was 6.) And the dinky little cartoon version of the hobbit scared the absolute heck out of me! The goblins (orcs.) are still in my nightmares! (Ya gotta admit, they were uuuuugly!)Sam the girl-shy ale-swigger? I love it!

Mintyztwin

11-14-2002, 01:21 AM

Oh, and the FotR scared ME! (And I are old.) Heh heh. But I scare easy. (Obviously. See previous thread.) For almost the entire movie I kept grabbing my friends hand and hiding my face in her shoulder. The first time I saw the WHOLE thing without closeing my eyes was the 4th time. We don't see many scary movies at my house. Or scary cartoons. We arent' very immune to it. Okay, I'M not very immune! But my poor baby sisters would be terrified. We didn't even let them see all of Star Wars. Heh heh. We kept yelling at them to "Quick! Go in the kithcen! It's a scary part!"

Tigerlily Gamgee

11-14-2002, 02:23 AM

Just got finished watching it. It was like a whole new movie. The whole feeling of it changed, even with the older scenes. Did anyone else noticed that the sound was better? I could hear the lines better in this version. For some reason I saw a lot more, even with the older scenes. Another thing I like is that they used different takes of some of the already existing scenes (I definitely noticed some slightly different line deliverance in places).How cute is Sam in this? His character was fleshed out so much by just a few scenes. The part with Rosie in the tavern & afterwards..."Don't worry Sam... Rosie can recognize an idiot" "Really?" (or something along those lines). The poem in Lothlorien gives me hope that the Oliphaunt poem may be in TTT (cross your fingers!). So great!Another great part was in the Green Dragon. I also enjoy the lembas bit... "One bite can fill a grown man's stomach"... "How many did you eat Pippin"..."Four".Do ya'll know about the Easter Eggs? Go to "Scene Selections", go over to the side with the numbers... highlight the last available scene & then press down once more (you will either see a ring or Orthanc - depending on whether you are on disc 1 or disc 2). Check them out!I also started listening to the audio commentary. I was unaware of the fact that old Bilbo resembles Judy Dench's mother!

Mintyztwin

11-14-2002, 02:27 AM

Um . . . define "whole different feel". More hopeless? Less hopless? More like the books? Less like the books? (MORE like the books, I hope! ) 'Twould be greatly appreciated, Tigerlily!

Eomer of the Rohirrim

11-14-2002, 06:48 AM

And it showed Merry getting his Elvish blade, which will obviously be very important later.

Diamond18

11-14-2002, 12:06 PM

Mintyztwin, it's definitely more like the books. There's all the little details that were cut out, like Gandalf explaining that the wealth of Moria was Mithril, not gold or jewels, and of course all of Lothlorien, with the gifts and the lembas, and Gimli/Galadriel. And on Caradhras with Boromir saying "We must turn back! This will be the death of the Hobbits!" with his arms around Merry and Pippin, who are turning blue. Another way to show that Boromir is not an inherent bad guy!All the characters benefit from the added scenes...most notably Celeborn and Galadriel. Second would be Gimli and Legolas.I know that Legolas didn't have a shortage of fans from the theatrical cut, but I think he definitely benefits from the added scenes. Most notable for me is the lembas scene with Merry and Pippin and then in the boat with Gimli. He smiles and makes "small talk" with other members of the Fellowship! Without those two scenes, all he does is look alert, grave, and anxious. Well, he kills lots of Orcs, but I remember thinking "Does the guy ever smile?"It's kind of like with Galadriel. Both of them are shown "lightening up" so that they seem more REAL in this version. Gimil too. He is now the sweetest Dwarf you will ever come across! With all the restored details everything's a little deeper, more thought out...and like someone else said, the scenes that weren't cut out also benefit.I think it's a much more "hopeful" seeming film. When you watch the gift giving you'll know what we mean. All the members look happy and refreshed as they leave; Lothlorien has been a good experience! Well, for all but Frodo and Boromir, that is. I noticed that Boromir was given no gift.BTW, can anyone tell me what Sam says when Galadriel gives him the rope? I just can't make it out. Something about "nice shiny daggers" but that's all!

GreyIstar

11-14-2002, 12:25 PM

Sam says "did you run out of those _____ daggers." I can't spell it right now so I wont even try and I don't really have the time to look it up so a littel help anyeone?

LePetitChoux

11-14-2002, 12:37 PM

Isn't it "nice, shiny daggers"?

hobbitlass

11-14-2002, 12:45 PM

Okay, so it wasn't my imagination or bad memory. I didn't have time to check again but I think that was kinda crappy that Boromir wasn't given a gift. At least with Aragorn there was a nice explanation. Other than that complaint, I love the extra scenes. I like the new scenes at the gate of Moria. Poor Pippin. He can't seem to say or do anything right. Oh what a difference 30 minutes makes. But poor me no DVD player.

TolkienGurl

11-14-2002, 01:44 PM

I totally forgot about that! Why wasn't Boromir given his belt? It's not like he isn't important or anything. Of course he is! They could have put an extra minute in there for poor Boromir...

Tigerlily Gamgee

11-14-2002, 02:42 PM

By, "whole different feel", I don't exactly know what I meant. It just seemed very different to me. I think the main thing is that I always said over and over the the theatrical version is much more dark than the first book, but now this version brings more of that lightness to the film. I think it also has to do with the fact that the characters are more well-rounded and that the sound quality is so much clearer. It seems a little more personal than the original version.

Mintyztwin

11-14-2002, 04:26 PM

Thanks so much guys! This really helps out! I have a definate feeling I will be able to talk my mom into letting me get this! She was mostly worried about how everyone was evil, and hopeless, and there was not "light" (I mean, Elrond and Galadriel were pretty freaky. ) I really appreciate the explanation! "Things are looking up!" I'll let you know when I get it!

lindil

11-14-2002, 09:58 PM

Does Gildor appear in the Shire?

Thinhyandoiel

11-15-2002, 02:25 AM

Alas, no Gildor. Was sort of hoping for that, but I knew it was kind of pushing it. I got the big gift set myself, got the Argonath and my trading cards. Didn't get no TTT ticket though!!! But maybe I missed it. You've all mentioned my favourite new parts, but I also liked when they just outside of Moria, and Gimli's talking. "Dwarf doors are invisible...etc etc." Can't remember the rest, but then you hear Legolas "Why doesn't THAT surprise me?" I fell over laughing, cuz it shows that bickering between them that I love. Celeborn, ALL his parts just made me love the guy even more. I remember standing up with a "THANK YOU PJ!" when he started talking even more. Haldir's parts, I liked. *nod nod* And to hear Legolas talk some Elvish was...admittedly I laughed out loud cuz I'm just not used to it. But after watching it again, I think it suits him.And whoever mentioned the music in The Passing of the Elves scene. I completely agree with you. That song...is utterly amazing. I love it.

TolkienGurl

11-15-2002, 06:25 AM

I didn't get a ticket either. Oh well. I was planning on buying tickets anyway and wasn't really expecting a ticket to TTT in the collector's edition so it's not a big deal.

Keneldil the Polka-dot

11-15-2002, 02:35 PM

I plan on buying the collector's edition today. I know it's a lot more expensive, so I was wondering if everyone who bought it thought it was worth the extra cost? Also, I understand there are four disks. Is the movie itself divided between disks? I hope it isn't.Whew! *wipes brow* It was hard to skim through all of this thread to see if anyone had answered this question without reading what the new material was. An exercise in self-discipline. I didn't want to spoil anything for myself. I got the impression that everyone really likes the extended version though [ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: Keneldil the Polka-dot ]

TolkienGurl

11-15-2002, 02:50 PM

The extended edition contains 2 DVDs that are the movie, 2 DVDs that are Appendicies, and 1 DVD that contains 2 National Geographic shows on LOTR. It also comes with 3 cool trading cards and a set of bookends that are the Argonath.

Keneldil the Polka-dot

11-15-2002, 02:58 PM

Thank you TolkienGurl. But did you think the gift set was worth the extra cost?

Nerdanel

11-15-2002, 10:21 PM

I too loved the SE DVD release! I liked how Aragorn's character was developed and we got to see more of Viggo's great depth of acting--he portrays so much with his facial expressions! And I loved that scene when Legolas and Gimli are in the boat leaving Lorien and Legolas asks Gimli what Galadriel gave to him! *sniff* very sweet.Are there any more easter eggs besides the MTV blasphemy of the council of Elrond and TTT preview? Just wondering.

TolkienGurl

11-15-2002, 11:39 PM

hee hee... Well, because my boyfriend and I were so desperate to own LOTR, I had him go and buy the first DVD *whip cracks*. Along with it came a $5 mail in rebate for the ex. ed. VHS, and $10 mail in rebate for the ex. ed. DVD. So it's not exactly fair if I say whether or not It was worth the extra cost because it was $10 cheaper for us! (My boyfriend also mostly paid for that one - on his own accord!) *whip cracks again*. YES it is worth the extra cost, even if I would have had to pay the whole $70. It's all about the bookends! They're awesome!