Saruman plays with crayons?

[Maikadilwen]

Something has been bugging me in the movie LOTR. When the fellowship is discussing whether to go through Moria or not, Saruman is turning the pages in a book. Everything in it is black on white pages EXCEPT when he comes to the picture of the Balrog. That has colour on it. <BR>So I've been thinking: Toddler Saruman was bored, found a book with a nice picture in it, and decided to play with his crayons?

[Samwise]

Ehhhh....why is it that all of you folks seem to notice these kinds of things and I don't? Sigh. Guess I was too busy making sure Sean Astin played my Sam right.... <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Suddenly a low voice murmured:<BR>"Gil-Galad was an elven-king.<BR>Of him the harpers sadly sing:<BR>the last whose realm was fair and free<BR>between the Mountains and the Sea.<P>His sword was long, his lance was keen,<BR>his shining helm afar was seen;<BR>the countless stars of Heaven's feild<BR>were mirrored in his silver shield..<P>But long ago he rode away<BR>and where he dwelleth none can say<BR>for into darkness fell his star<BR>in Mordor where the shadows are. "<P>The others turned in amazement, for the voice was Sam's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ElanorGamgee]

Ha, ha, that's funny!<P>"Oooo, pwetty Balwog!" <P>I wonder if he colored the living room wall as well?

[Aralaithiel]

I'll bet he drew cartoons and made snowmen like Calvin did in that wonderful cartoon strip "Calvin & Hobbes."

[Brimstone Goldenwing]

Mhahaha! I never noticed that! Don't worry Samwise I never notice those things either..maybe the next time I watch it I'll look more closely

[Kalimac]

Actually, I'd thought the book was like one of those illuminated manuscripts - mostly done in black ink but with the occasional vividly-colored picture (the Harrowing of Hell, say, or something suitably dramatic) thrown in. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough - were there other black-and-white drawings in there?<P>Though since you mention it, you have to wonder what sort of color names Middle-Earth Crayola would use..."Orthanc Black" "Moria Black" (a bit more ash-color to it than Orthanc Black) "Elvenwhite" "Balrog Crimson" "Helm's Deep Crimson" ...maybe not.

[Glenethor]

Thing is, I've seen that pic of the Balrog before, so I think it is by one of the more famous LoTR illustrators. They did this a few times: The trolls are straight from a drawing (Howe?) as are many scenes in the movie. Anyway, I know I've seen that pic before, and think that they knew that many fans would know it. Hence, they put it into the manuscript Saruman was reading...<B>Shadow...and Flame</B>

[Birdland]

Yes, I'm sure Saruman played with crayons.<P>I also heard he eats paste.

[the_master_of_puppets]

isnt it just done like that to make an emphasis on the significance of Balrogs to the plot? kind of like fore-shadowing

[Amanaduial the archer]

omg u ppl actually sit there taking notes or summit?!jeez, i hav a copy of lotr and i never noticed!neway, those flames wud kinda luk vvvvvvv unreal without color!but yeah, i mean maybe he got bored and decided 2 do colouring!orcs probly doant exactly make stimulating convo!<BR>lol<BR> me

[Maikadilwen]

Nope I don't sit there making notes. I just have a good memory. And, after all, if you've seen the movie 15 times, you start making out all the little details, so....

[starbreeze]

Tee hee heee <BR>Just imagine all the pwetty colours!

[Teleliniel]

im betting he used crayola....

[Aralaithiel]

And, don't forget Gandalf gray, Gil-Galad silver, and Samwise's Middle-Earth tones!<BR>Oh...and of course, my favorite, Lothlorien blue! It glows!

[Samwise]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Don't worry Samwise I never notice those things either.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks much, Brimstone. O' course, I have only seen the movie once. Oh, well. Who knows, maybe someday....<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"You'd better be hidden, Mr. Frodo." said Sam. "We'll send this rider to the rightabouts! " <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Daegwenn]

I noticed it but hadn't thought too much of it until now...<P>Can you imagine Sarumon getting scolded by his mother for marking on the walls? *snickers*<P><B>Little Sarumon looked up, his blue eyes wide with the well-practised innocent sincerity of a four year old as he held his Moria black crayola behind his back. "I is sowwy movver..." he sniffled "I pwomis never to do it again..." <BR>His mother looked at the walls that were marred with the nonsensical black scribblings of her little child and then looked down at her sniffling son. "It's alright little one.." She sighed hopelessly, giving in to her son's trembling chin and big blue eyes...</B><P>~~Daegwenn

[ElanorGamgee]

I'll bet Saruman never got in trouble for coloring on the living room wall, having that convincing voice and all...<P>"Mommy, I was just adding to the color scheme. Doesn't it look lovely?"<P>"Well, now that you mention it, the red scribles do go well with the curtains..."<p>[ March 13, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ]

[Morima]

1. Saruman has black eyes<BR>2. Saruman has never been a kid let alone a baby and he has no mother can't imagine it either...

[Susan Delgado]

Come on, Morima. Of course they know Saruman had black eyes and no mother (actually, we don't know for certain if the Maiar have parents/children or not ). They were just having fun. Get in the spirit of it

[Legolas]

Everyone likes crayons - don't you know anything?!

[Frodo Baggins]

Its ok Sam. I saw the movie rwice and was too enamoured to notice too mant details.

[Arwen Imladris]

It is O.K. all of you folks who, like me, missed all of the details. It is O.K. to be too enthraled with a movie to notice things like that. We probebly got more out of the movie! <P>Saruman with crayons? Now that would be funny to see!<P>hahahahahehehahaaaa

[Elfchick]

lets put it this way<P>That palantir was not always that color!<P>Not to mention Sauraman changed his name to Sauraman of many colors.

[Mornie Alantie]

I think it cause the only other pic in the book that you see is Morias door which doesn't have color, and the rest of the book is words. That you see anyway.<P>Saruman, in a little kid like voice,<BR>"Eewww yucky plain Nazgul, I make it a pretty pink color!"<BR>or<BR>"My bestest friend is gwey, I makes him likes thwe wanbow.

[Morima]

Hahaha! Aw right Susan, this is kinda funny after all!

[Orofacion of the Vanyar]

I believe the real question is...<P>Did he eat the crayons?<P>A mouth full of crayola, with various colors stained around his mouth.<P>

[Morima]

LOL as I picture it!!<P>Then he would indeed have been Many-Colored, at least his beard!

[Ithaeliel]

Crayons bug me. I like colored pencils better.

[Rosseiliantiel]

crayons snap. we like snap!<P>Poor Little Saruman must've been very bored, being stuck in that tower all day. So he was rummaging around and found a nice pack of crayons. Well, he thought that old Balrog needed some colour, so he pulled out 'Sauron's Eye Orange', 'Balrog Red' and 'Moria Black', and, well, things just sort of went from there.

[Aragost]

Saruman the toddler,"Icky white orkses, I makes them a pwetty yewwow.I color pwain Elwand a nice pwurple.

[The Silver-shod Muse]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Then he would indeed have been Many-Colored, at least his beard! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Beard? Riiiight...

[Morima]

Oh, sorry, my mistake. I just believed he had some sort of whitish kinda beard when he flipped through that book in the movie.

[polices]

Don't despare Samwise I never notice stuff like that either.

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

AHAHA, what a hilarious thread!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'll bet he drew cartoons and made snowmen like Calvin did in that wonderful cartoon strip "Calvin & Hobbes." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Haha, I bet he was like Calvin when Calvin was reading through the dinosaur book and decided to dress up like a terodactyl(sp?) and fly off the roof before his mom figured out what was going on. He was probably reading through the book and saw the balrog. Then he lights himself on fire and goes to the top of Orthanc and it would read, "The giant Balrog Saruman spreads his wings and..." While Grima scurries to the top of Orthanc to save him. And besides it would be more suiting for him since he would plummet to his death as the Balrog did (with wings I might add) (although, I do believe that Balrogs can fly)...Silly Saruman ...

[Meela]

Ha ha. Toddler Saruman. Chewed on the evil blue crayon and pfft! Evil Saruman was created.

[Legolas]

Off to the Movies forum we go.

[dunadan_aragorn]

Quoth the Raven:<BR> <BR>That's funny! WOOOOO PRETTY COLOURS!<P>Nevermore

[Shy Hobbit]

*laughs insanely* This is too good! *will look at anything that pokes fun at Saruman*<P>Of course he played with crayons! That's how he became Saruman of Many Colors

[The Only Real Estel]

Yeah, I saw that when I watched the movie...but I didn't think much of it; after all, who cares if the page is colored or not?

[Niluial]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ha ha. Toddler Saruman. Chewed on the evil blue crayon and pfft! Evil Saruman was created. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hehehe..muhahaha! I am sorry Meela but that is so funny! hehe

[HCIsland]

I know folks are just having fun here, but just so you know, in the middle ages it was very common for books to contain very detailed, coloured illustrations. That fact that the Balrog was coloured did not strike me as odd at all.<P>H.C.

[Retloc the Red]

I suppose that I have no sense of humor, for I can see nothing very funny here. I do not think that Saruman was ever a child nor do I believe that Crayola Crayons ( or any other crayons for that matter) existed.

[Frodo 007]

hey, you never know, even a Wizard must get pretty bored from time to time and have an urge to colour something in!!!

[Bêthberry]

Greetings Maikadilwen,<P>She of sombre reflection raises her head. *grins*<P>A very good catch, I think. It fits quite well with Tolkien's characterization of Saruman's fall to evil, the Balrog of course also being evil. Saruman is at fault, we are told--never truly shown, so we cannot much empathize with him--because he became mired in the pursuit of arcane studies in lore which dissected ideas, learning, knowledge. This I think we are supposed to accept as a false route to wisdom.<P>I would compare it not simply with Saruman becoming the Many Coloured, but with his and Gandalf's discussion on the difference between the White and the Many Coloured. It is one of the positive aspects about the first movie, which showed me how much Jackson had actually read the books.<P>Bêthberry

[Manardariel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>omg u ppl actually sit there taking notes or summit?!jeez, i hav a copy of lotr and i never noticed!neway, those flames wud kinda luk vvvvvvv unreal without color!but yeah, i mean maybe he got bored and decided 2 do colouring!orcs probly doant exactly make stimulating convo!<BR>lol<BR>me <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Archer???????? <BR>******<BR>ahem. Aaaanyways. You know, I think those actually were oilpaints. Can´t you see it?<P>Saruman: *in annoying French Nasal, a la Merovingan*"Ahh, yes...A bit of orange here...that´ll kill him off. Wondeful, brilliant. Though maybe I should use a bit more black there? The effect of the picure is very clear, is it not? Ahh, yes...." <BR>

[Helkahothion]

This is so hilarious. Amanaduial the archer, I am laughimg my teeth in a refersed mode and a eating myself. You and chatty language? Aman? This is so hilarious. Now I finaly know how you were in the beginning. I don't want any coment from you from now on on my spelling hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> That's how he became Saruman of Many Colors <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think because he washed his clotes with to many colored clothes and too hot. Maybe that is why he always looks so depressed. <P>Nice Gwima wiw go to edowas an tell Theodon to do was sawuwan says. Weehee, Gandalf not doing a thing, nananananana.<P>HAHAHAHA priceless.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[Lady_Galadriel]

Haha! Now that's a picture! Baby Saurman in a little diper. Don't forget that he is in a dark room somewhere and he has this bright yellow box of crayolas!! Now I see where Saurman of Many Colors comes from!

[OddEvenstar]

You know, now that I think of it, I actually do remember the color of the Balrog. But it doesn't seem unbelievable that Saruman got bored one day...the creature was kinda playing right into his plans.

[The Only Real Estel]

Not only did Sauman play with crayons...he actually invented them! This is how the legend goes:<BR> As with all evil people, Saruman was constantly afraid, afraid that someone would steal is staff. Because of this fear, he taught himself how to channel his power threw other things. One day he came across a black pointy-like thingy & channeled his power threw it. To his delight the pointy thingy made a black like mark on the ground in the direction toward where he channeled his power. He soon was doing this with red pointy-thingys, etc.; &, being very wise, soon made the conection that whatever the color of the pointy thingy, that was the color that came out when he channeled his power threw it. He immediantly devoted one of his numerous cavern-ovens toward baking some different colors of these pointy thingies. Then he thought up a name for them. Because the marks that came out of them reminded him of clay, he named part of their name, cray, since it wasn't REALLY clay. Then, because they made marks ON things, he called them CRAY-ONS. He channel-drew a few pictures in his lore book ( hence the aforementioned Balrog drawing ), but soon grew tired of that. He decided to make on last piece, a real work of art. He channel-colored all over his robe, becoming saruman of many colors. That is how the legend goes. Here's a source I leaned on heavily: <I>If You Don't Know the Answer, Here's a Guide to How to Make up a Stupid story</I>-by a guy named The Only Real Estel. I also did some probing of my shallow mind while painting ( getting paid of course ). So that is how the legend goes.<BR>

[Nehani]

I mean, odering orcs, being evil, and causing mayhem can only be entertaining for so long. And everything is either black or white in Orthanc. If that were me, I would have pulled out paint instead of crayons, but hey, everybody has memories of crayons right? Well, mine are funny, of a kid in my class eating an orange crayon, and saying it tasted like macaroni and cheese. hmmmm...those were the days. Before the evil called homework!