Lord of the Ring 4?

[Baran]

I've heard some strange rumors about a new Lord of the Ring movie after the Return of the King. It's supposed to take place after the war is won. Does anyone else know something about this?

[Duncariel]

How? Unless they put all the stuff in it that they took out in the original three, there is no material for a fourth movie.<P>Lost Tales, maybe.

[Orofaniel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've heard some strange rumors about a new Lord of the Ring movie after the Return of the King. It's supposed to take place after the war is won. Does anyone else know something about this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hm...interesting...I've never heard that, though....Only that they perhaps are going to make a movie from "The Hobbit". That can also be rumors for all I know.....I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see!<P> <P>Orofâniel<P>Wait and see, <BR>that's how it's supposed<BR>to be!

[Meela]

A fourth movie would be interesting. What would it include? The children of the original characters? Like Eldarion, Elanor, Elboron, Elfwine, etc. and their adventures? The Children of the Fellowship find a new ring... *dun dun duuuuunnn!*

[HCIsland]

I'm pretty sure Jackson has explicitly stated that he would not be involved in any sequel, for the obvious reason that there is no material to base it on. As anyone who's at all familiar with the book knows, Frodo is no longer in Middle Earth at the end. How can you make a movie when the lead character is gone?<P>Of course, New Line does own the rights to this and if they wanted to hire some hack, they could do what ever the hell they wanted but I for one am hoping this is nothing more than a rumour.<P>H.C.

[Helkahothion]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Of course, New Line does own the rights to this and if they wanted to hire some hack, they could do what ever the hell they wanted but I for one am hoping this is nothing more than a rumour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They are not stupid. Making a sequel to a book that is not even written is plane suicide. Many people have their own ideas on how it went on. They can't make it another ring one too, since the ring is destroyed. Even if they did it, it would be a boring movie, unless they made it a comedy of course. But another action/adventure movie is not possible. And since lotr is that category, the movie shall be hated by all. The question is now, if they would make that movie, would you go see it?<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The question is now, if they would make that movie, would you go see it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Probably not. They'd have to be pretty desperate if they had to invent a sequel for LotR. Not only would there be no plot, but the writing would most likely suck. I'd stay at home and watch the <I>real</I> movies. <P>Abedithon le!

[Estella Brandybuck]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've heard some strange rumors about a new Lord of the Ring movie after the Return of the King. It's supposed to take place after the war is won. Does anyone else know something about this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If that's true, and Hades has frozen over, these filmmakers are pretty much just speculating on what happens post-WotR and turning it into a movie? Basically... filming a fanfic?<P>Wow, I never thought that would happen.

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>They are not stupid. Making a sequel to a book that is not even written is plain suicide.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Haven't you seen some of the stuff that has came out of Hollywood, I wouldn't doubt that New Line would try to find some other way to squeeze more money out of this phenominon.<P>Especially New Line, haven't you seen some of the other movies that they have made. Some of their films have been the worst failures in Hollywood.

[Frodo2968thewhite]

PJ is supposed to make The Hobbit after LOTR

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How? Unless they put all the stuff in it that they took out in the original three, there is no material for a fourth movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think that was the best post that I've ever read in the whole forum <P>And if there was a fourth movie, I would go see it just because I'd be courious, but I guess I wouldn't like it and think "now why did you go see that stupid thing?"

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

I think that if the rumour is true, I would do the same: go see it out of curiosity. It would probably be horrible. But I hope PJ makes The Hobbit.

[Arathiriel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The question is now, if they would make that movie, would you go see it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, I wouldn't as seeing as Tolkien wrote nothing they could base said movie off of!<P> <p>[ June 11, 2003: Message edited by: Arathiriel ]

[Birdland]

Could you perhaps be thinking of <I>Ancanar</I>? That "other" Middle-earth-like-in-a-way movie that has been in the works for quite a while?<P>There's a thread about it here somewhere, if you care to search...

[Morgul Queen]

Actually Tolkien began to write a sequal to LotR, I think it is in Morgoths Ring.<BR>It is set about a century after the war of the Ring and Most things are peaceful except for a few groups in Gondor who are modeling themselves after the Orcs, kind of like Demon worship, anyway this just starts to get into the jucy details when it cuts off in mid sentance...jeez, couldn't he have at least finished the SENTANCE!!!!

[Mordor_Queen]

maybe the bit at the end of the rotk (after it actually) where aragorn and arwen get married and their deaths and stuff like that.

[Balin999]

So you mean the typical Hollywood movie. Boy meets girl, there are some difficulties, but in the end they are allowed to marry. Of course, PJ will leave the part of their deaths out, and the final sentence will be<BR>"And they lived together happily ever on."<P>Cast: Aragorn: Brad Pitt<BR>Arwen: Jennifer Lopez (as in Manhattan Love Story)<P>*YERCH*

[Lyra Greenleaf]

If (and it's a big "if") they came up with a good, believable story why would it be any worse than any of our RPGs? A lot of them aren't based on anything concrete.

[Mattius]

Exactly, it may be a cash in, dis-respectful to Tolkien, his fans and PJ's work but that does not mean it would be a bad movie! It could work (although I seriously doubt it).<P>Personally I hope that The Hobbit movie will be made. Ian McKellen and Holm plus seven dwarves, Smaug and the Battle of the Five Armies- movie heaven no?<P>Matt<P>PS- And of course Mirkwood, the Eagles, Men of the Dale and Beorn (played by Arnold Swarzanegger- spelt wrong I know)! Sweet...<p>[ June 12, 2003: Message edited by: Mattius ]

[Tinuviel of Denton]

The Terminator as Beorn!? Um, no.<P>I hope they really do make The Hobbit into a live-action movie. The current animated version really doesn't do it justice. And the "elves" gave me fits. (Though that wasn't as bad as the FotR-TTT animated one...)

[Cúdae]

Interesting rumour. I hadn't heard it. I had, however, heard a rumour about making the Silmarillion into a movie. I sincerely hope that <i>just</i> a rumour since I have no desire to see one of my favorite books condensed into a movie or two.

[Trippo The Hippo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Personally I hope that The Hobbit movie will be made. Ian McKellen and Holm plus seven dwarves, Smaug and the Battle of the Five Armies- movie heaven no? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>11 Dwarves I believe. I think the company was 13 in all 11 dwarves 1 wizard 1 hobbit/burglar. I think I would remember if the company was only 9. That would be too odd people would say Tolkien had a fascination for the number 9.<P>Anyway I have wondered how he would fit the end of the characters (For example Gimli's final resting place.)into RotK, without skipping many decades, but certainly small facts like the one in my example are not even close to the amount of material you need to base a movie on.

[MYyyPreciousSS]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>11 Dwarves I believe. I think the company was 13 in all 11 dwarves 1 wizard 1 hobbit/burglar. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, there were 13 dwarves. The reason they even wanted Bilbo in the first place was because they didn't want a company of 13, because 13 was an unlucky number. Gandalf did not consider himself part of the company, he was just there to accompany them for a while, thats why he left during the journey.

[tealdude4]

If they do make a sequel to LotR, it had better be based on something Tolkien has written! And if it whern't, its would be a box office <B>suck</B>sess!<P>Yes, New Line are the same people who will be making Rush Hour 3 and possible countless other Rush Hour sequels, maybe even a prequel just to get a quick buck, but there not that stupid. <P>If another movie where to be made, I hope it is The Hobbit. That would be really cool, but PJ can't make it any time soon, since he will be working on the new King Kong movie.<P>If the Silmarillion be made into a movie in any way, I hope it is only part of the Silmarillion, like Beren and Luthien. Personally, I think Turin Turambar's story would make a better movie than Beren and Luthein. That one guy who played Anikin in Star Wars Episode II could play Turin. It would be a success!

[Helkahothion]

I dissagree with you on that. It would be better if you used actors that are not very fameous. It just works better. I saw some pictures of fameous actors playing the lotr characters. Like Sean connery playing gandalf and russel crowe playing aragorn. If you would use the un-femous ones, it would be so much better. <P>But I agree that Turin would make a better story, making the whole silmarillion would be impossible, only the ones that have read the books would understand and further more, in the silm, they sometimes skip parts, so that would lead to more confusion.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[Trippo The Hippo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Actually, there were 13 dwarves. The reason they even wanted Bilbo in the first place was because they didn't want a company of 13, because 13 was an unlucky number. Gandalf did not consider himself part of the company, he was just there to accompany them for a while, thats why he left during the journey. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah you are probably right. I knew the company was larger then 9, but I was not too positve opn the exact number. Thanks for fixing my mistake. I havn't read the hobbit in a few years.

[Tinuviel of Denton]

There would be some sort of weird outcry over the fact that Turin marries his sister though. I do agree that it would make a better movie. Beren and Luthien would be reduced to a sappy love story onscreen. (and we all know I would HATE that.)

[Mattius]

The brother marrying the sister, I can just hear the outcry's of horror now from the housewives of middle-America. *Shudders*<P>Yeah I think there is enough to make a Turin film, perhaps it could be called <B>Narn I Hin Hurin-</B> <I>The Tale of the Children of Hurin</I>.<P>It could depict the story from Hurin and the Battle of Unnumbered Tears to his death at Turin's grave. Cate Blanchet could do a narrative before to quickly explain Morgoth and the War of the Jewels.

[Tinuviel of Denton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> That one guy who played Anikin in Star Wars Episode II could play Turin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you <I><B>MAD</I></B>!? No Star Wars actors! There are enough comparisons as it is!<P>I agree with you, Mattius. The housewives of middle-earth--oops, I mean middle-america--would ban the movie because of Nienor/Niniel and Turin's marriage. Not that I personally think it's that great either, but one has to grant that neither of them realized that they were sibs.

[Froda]

no not really. but hey...it might work. but i thought that was already going to be in the ROTK??!?!?!?! hmmmm...i have some reading to do!!!<P>

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> hat one guy who played Anikin in Star Wars Episode II could play Turin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Common, that guy is ridiculous! I mean, I always imagined Turin as a fighter with, well muscles and all (not the Schwarzenegger style, but well-trained) and not such a mummy's boy. He looks like a kid, he couldn't play Turin.<BR>(I respect your opinion, but to me it sounds impossible)

[Finwe]

Definitely not Hayden Christensen! If you guys don't kill me, but could Johnny Depp play Turin? He plays the "brooding guy" well enough. And for Tuor, how about Orlando Bloom? The two could pass for brothers.

[helkahothion]

Orlando? You fallen out of a tree? That will send all the stupid annoying people scraming: Hey look, Legolas! I'd rather not go to the embarresment of telling the whole theater they are wrong again.<P>Hm, Hurín eh. Muscled, but still fast. Arnold swarzenegger in his Krosan times would be perfect. But since he is all fat and no muscles, hm Maybe (don't shoot me) Vin Diesel. Okay, he talks like a mummy, but the guy never had many lines.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[TealDude4]

Ok, I will explain why I said Hayden Christensen. The aspect of his acting that I like is when bad things are happening to him and he has no idea why. Bacically, thats what happens to Turin a lot.<P>About there being an outcry over Turin accidentally marrying his sister, please excuse my mentioning the parallels to Star Wars, but there was the entire Luke and Liea thing for Star Wars, and nobody said anything about that, but that was the 70s and this is the New Millenium, so things have changed, I guess.

[Frodo Brandybuck]

There is enough additional information for a 4th LOTR movie. If you get the huge volume books that contain all the things taken out of the books, and take a look at the time line in the back of the 1 volume lotr book, you have enough to make a 4th movie. Although why PJ would do that no one knows. I also heard that PJ does not currently have any plans for the Hobbit.

[helkahothion]

Of course you can make a 4th movie. But the movies should also be attracktive for the people that have not read the books. So making a movie about how the shire blossomed again, would not get big bucks, and sadly, that is what the business is all about.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[Frodo Brandybuck]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Trippo the Hippo= Anyway I have wondered how he would fit the end of the characters.(For example Gimli's resting place.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Gimli has no resting place. When Aragorn died, Legolas built a gray ship and sailed to the undying lands. Gimli was with him. Thus, Gimli has no resting place.

[helkahothion]

Yes he did. Valinor

[Mattius]

Helka's right, he died in Valinor, and unless they let his body rot on the floor, most likely buried him.<P>How about a mini-film of the Scouring of the Shire?

[helkahothion]

Thanks Matthius BTW, what happened to the other chicken? Killed it? Would not be surprised, he was very dissobedeant at the party.<P>Hm, it could be a movie, but it would be way to short. You would need something more, and for that, there is no further information. Or not reliable enough for that matter. Like I said, the movie must bring in bucks.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion

[Dashuka]

i heard its not so much as a sequel to RotK but that RotK would be split into two parts as so that it can be longer...thats a rumor i might beleive.

[Tinuviel of Denton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but there was the entire Luke and Liea thing for Star Wars <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I>They</I> didn't get married. They only flirted a little.<P>Dashuka, I hope you're right. There is so much that they will have to skip as it is because of the way they ended TTT (I would have watched a four-hour movie, the rest of the theater-goers could leave if they wanted).

[Iarwain]

Presuming that a fourth film whose story takes place after the War of the Ring will be produced, these are my thoughts:<P>1. If they make a fourth film, I believe it's plot will circulate around the Dagor Dagorath. <P>2. The tale of the Dagor Dagorath was not written by Tolkien. This leaves it to be invented by three people that I do not consider at all to be trustworthy in creating a new installment for the tale of middle earth.<P>3. I cringe at the thought of PJ, Philly, and Franny ruining a fine possibility for an ending to the masterpiece of Middle-Earth. I would utterly refuse to view any such film, and would advise all aquaintances to do the same.<P>4. The vast amount of anger that could be stirred up in me over this not a pleasant thing for me or anyone else. It is not the right of anyone except one of the children (namely Christopher) to produce any such tale for the public.<P>Each of these is based on the former, and as I think the production of a fourth film to be a very unlikely thing, all of my statements are hopefully worthless in reality.<P>Iarwain

[HCIsland]

This might be something more for the book forum, but isn't Dagor Dagorath the story of the apocalypse, that is it hasn't happened yet?<P>Most people feel that Middle Earth represents our world in some dim and forgotten past. In Dagor Dagorath, Manwe and Melkor will battle and the world will be unmade. As far as I know the world is still here.<P>That means the story needs to be set in the future or, perhaps more interestingly, in the present day. Any writer would have pretty much carte blanche to what the hell they like, but hasn't there been enough apocalypse movies out there?<P>H.C.

[Helkahothion]

Well, since Dagor Dagoroth is not written, it is future.<P>Suilad,<P>Anuion