Sex in RotK?! The Outrage!!!!

[Cinderella]

This is from the newest issue of Rolling Stone in the article Fall's Golden Dozen, and I quote, <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Just a ten minute taste of <I>King</I> indicates that the battles are bigger, the sex is hotter ( Viggo Mortensen's Aragorn gets it on with elf girl Liv Tyler)... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><B>WHAT?!?!</B><BR>*Fumes, rages, etc* <BR>Can anyone either confirm this or give some input or bond with me in my blind fury? What is PJ thinking?! I dearly hope this is incorrect because if it's not this is a shame and a crime against literature... and ten times worse than Faramir

[Durelin]

I wouldn't kill anyone just yet.<P>This article is from Rolling Stones Magazine?<P>...<P>Nuf said.

[Cinderella]

V. true Durelin, but can they just make that stuff up? But then again this is the same magazine that has a two page spread on Hilary Duff...*snigger*

[Evisse the Blue]

Oh, Lordy - first Sauron battling Aragorn now this. Either certain folks are messing with our heads, or they're really trying to ruin this movie.

[Goldberry]

Now <B>that</B> would be bad. But, as the others said, the Rolling Stones may not be the most reliable ...It had just better be wrong, I don't think PJ would do that. *hopes he wouldn't* <P>So I guess we'll just have to wait and see...or wait for more info.<p>[ September 07, 2003: Message edited by: Goldberry ]

[Brinniel]

I really doubt PJ would do something like that. For one, it doesn't seem like him to add <I>that</I> much romance and besides, I'm sure he'd rather add more action instead.<P>I heard a rumor that a sex scene would be in TTT, and it never happened. I'm sure it won't happen this time.

[Daewen]

They had better not have one! I mean, geeze, all right, I can understand that they needed to make Arwen a more prominent character in order for us to understand her marriage to Aragorn in the end and not just go, hey where did Liv Tyler come from? But I think that she didn't need to be in TTT at all, and there certainly doesn't need to be a sex scene in ROTK. That's just going to far. I think though, that PJ wanted to stick to the books as much as possible, and even though every guy would want to see Liv in that state, I really don't think he'd sacrifice the movie for it. Besides, Christopher Lee is a HUGE Tolkien afficinado, and he wouldn't stand for it, rest assured.

[Gorwingel]

Well Aragorn and Arwen are going to get married. And you know what happens after a couple gets married <P>I wouldn't worry though. There is going to be a lot of stuff in this film. All a sex scene would be is a waste of time.

[Pookabunny]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Viggo Mortensen's Aragorn gets it on with elf girl Liv Tyler<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, they *do* end up with kids, and that's where babies come from <P>Serious, I don't think there will be a sex <I>scene</I> in the next movie. I'm sure there will be some of the "Oh Aragorn, ya tasty man ya. All hot n bothered after kicking Uruk-arse, let's smoochie" or something to that extent.<P>The sex is <I>hotter</I>? Compared to what we've seen? Psssh, ain't no thang. The only 'sex' stuff we've seen is in spoof photos. And that little scene by the water with the horse. BUT THAT DIDN'T COUNT! <P>So yea. It's cool. No nookie, at least not on a Matrix-reloaded scale. I hope.<p>[ September 07, 2003: Message edited by: Pookabunny ]

[Cinderella]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Oh Aragorn, ya tasty man ya. All hot n bothered after kicking Uruk-arse, let's smoochie" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*Dies* <P>Pookabunny just made me feel so much better... hahaha smoochie...hahaha<P>But I still can't help but wonder where Rolling Stone heard this madness about a sex scene...

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

They probably came to that conclusion themselves. I mean, try, for a moment, to think of how Lord of the Rings would be as a Hollywood-type film. *choke* That is most likely how they think of it. In which case, it is quite logical to throw in a sex scene here and there. They don't even think about how it would ruin the movie... <P>Swan song,<BR>-Menelien<p>[ September 07, 2003: Message edited by: GaladrieloftheOlden ]

[Angadraug]

If there is a sex scene how far can it go? Peter Jackson and New Line have an agreement that all three movies have to be rated PG-13 and I have yet to see a movie that has "real" sex scene thats rated PG-13.

[HCIsland]

Well I did hear they signed on Barry White for the soundtrack. <P>"Oh Baby!"<P>H.C.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Not only do I find this highly unlikely, for a number of the reasons discussed above, but let me offer an even more logical reason: They simply can't have anything like that in ROTK. TTT was very close to an R rating as it was. What with all of the major battles and fighting in RoTK (not mention other things, in the text ROTK was intense and at times violent, even without a PJization), it will be a marvel in it is not R-rated (even though it can't be and still hold a significant portion of its target audience). So if any little thing was added, I think ROTK would end up forfeiting its PG-13 rating.

[Pookabunny]

Rolling Stone's take on The Lord of the Rings. Honestly, they should stick to what they know. Kinda like what MTV used to do.<P>BARRY WHITE!!! Dude that's awesome.

[Beren87]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I dearly hope this is incorrect because if it's not this is a shame and a crime against literature... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's quite the overstatement.<P>So what if they do get a little..erm..randy, at least it's something that <I>does</I> happen, and isn't really a plot change. It appeals to a wider audience, (Actually, that appeals to nearly every audience) so PJ is probably correct in putting it in.

[Arwen Eruantale]

I am sorry Beren87, if anything in the following post offends you, but I <I>must</I> disagree. It would not be right at all. And I myself am proof that such horrid things of that sort do not appeal to 'every audience'.<BR>Tolkien gave no indication that anything 'happened' at all before they were married, and I do not remember any mention of their children until after he stated clearly that they lived six score years together. <P>This would indeed be wrong and shameful thing on the part of Peter Jackson. He has been true enough to the books up to this point to have my faith, and I really hope this is not true... If only for his sake.<p>[ September 07, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ]

[Helín Anyára]

If I ever see it with my own eyes (actually-- I wouldn't want to-- just to hear conclusive evidence that it is there), perhaps I will allow myself to rant and rave, then. As it is now, it is too unbelievable to really take seriously. I can only say that there is a lot of trash that should never have been made a movie, that WAS made, for the sake of "appealing to a wider audience". <P>If there really were such a *scene* in the movie, it would ruin the entire thing for me, quite honestly. Look at the complete successes that ARE FotR and TTT, and there was not ONE scene worth deleting in there. Look how well PJ has done, thus far, without this! I have perfect faith that the third, sure-to-be-awesome finale of this trilogy will lack nothing, and be a huge hit among a variety of audiences, <I>without</I> including anything that would be a waste of time, innocence, and energy to include.<P>Not that I feel strongly about the issue... or anything. And please no one take offense at anything I say. I just mean to state my own opinion as every else states theirs...

[TolkienGurl]

Pookie, you crack me up! *cracks up* (And yes I just called you Pookie.) <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>This article is from Rolling Stones Magazine?<P>...<P>Nuf said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And I second that! RS Mag is just pulling our legs.<P>From a serious point of view, do any of you think PJ would really go that far off track? Would he deviate so far from canon just to add a little "spice" to the movie (and risk assassination by rabid LotR fans)? I personally don't think he would.<P>And wouldn't a sex scene (in addition to all the violence) raise the rating to R? I thought there was some contract to keep the rating PG-13. *shrugs* I could be wrong.<P>~TG

[Lush]

Oh no, they said <I>sex</I>!!! The outrage!!! I think I'm going to take a little detour on my way to the anti-condom rally and shoot Peter Jackson!!!<P> <P>The people @ <I>Rolling Stone</I> are baiting you. It's their job, they do it for pay. Their whole reason for existing are threads like this. <P>Now I'm personally not averse to seeing a little Viggo action myself. But I can always rent "A Walk on the Moon" for that. <P>*Lush goes off to consider whom she will bully into driving her to Blockbuster tomorrow night*

[Annalaliath]

Okay I think that this won't come to a Clockwork Orange type sex thing, what is PJ gonna do? Make the necking scene more intence. Ha that would be the day. Besideds the ratings would go up and it would make it harder for younger watchers to go see it freely. Although, at the age of 10 I saw Hamberger Hill with my parents. <P><BR>I think that PJ wouldn't do that in a million years. He's already got people miffed about the Arwen Glorfindel ordeal and he's not about to sign his own death warrent in putting a sex scene in the ROTK.<P>Enough said.<P>Annalaliath

[Meela]

Sex? In the films? Of Lotr? That's about as likely as Gandalf teaming up with the Balrog to kill Frodo, steal the ring, and turn Rivendell into a luxury spa resort, Aragorn marrying Faramir, and Eowyn fainting at the mere thought of handling a weapon.

[Snowdog]

Well in Penthouse magazine there was an article about Aragorn getting caught in the act with Eowyn.... <P>Seriously, don't believe that stuff, and I have to agree with this quote: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>This article is from Rolling Stones Magazine?<P>...<P>Nuf said.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[One Axe to Rule them All]

<B>Sex! Sex!</B> Someone's gonna die!<BR>They wouldn't add sex to a movie like RoTK, if they did, their sales would go through the floor. Down, that is.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All a sex scene would be is a waste of time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, & I'd just die sitting next to my dad through the whole thing ! Put it this way: I don't think PJ would put <B>that</B> in there, but if he does...lets just say it'll drive Faramir & everything else out of my mind. Bring on the picketing.

[Elentári]

What kind of a magazine is this anyway???<BR>But no one over the net seems to have picked up on it and made a fuss, so I assume it's nothing to worry about.

[Diamond18]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh, Lordy - first Sauron battling Aragorn now this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Perhaps Aragorn and Arwen will consummate their relationship in front of the Black Gate.

[Faramir Fan]

...heh<P>Does this mean we get to see Faramir and Eowyn hot and heavy too...What about Sam and Rosie?<P>

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Oh no, that's really something I don't even want to think about! A Matrix reloaded - kind of sex scene would totally ruin the atmosphere of the film. And what's the thing with Barry White, huh? Fingers crossed that we all can love every part of RotK when we finally see it!

[Airerûthiel]

Given the fact that there are three battle scenes in RotK, and it's a three and a half hour movie (expect to be pulling a major sickie if you're planning to watch all the extended cuts come Christmas-ish 2004), I find it highly doubtful that Peter Jackson would find the time to squeeze in a sex scene. Besides, doesn't Aragorn have better things to do (and Arwen also now she's stolen Éowyn's role)?

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>This article is from Rolling Stones Magazine?<P>...<P>Nuf said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Exactly. I have a hard time believing that PJ would put a sex scene into RotK, in fact, I find the idea totally ludicrous. First, there is no point to it; it would merely distract from the main story (like Arwen showing up in Towers did). Second, it would most definitely raise the rating from PG-13 to R, and I know for a fact that PJ will not risk losing much of his audience with a move like that. Last, there is always the chance that such a scene will cause PJ's assassination by a mob of rabid LotR purist-type fans who would take it as a form of blasphemy. Which it is.<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Ophelia]

Sex?More sex? What is it with this huh?There was allready too much of needless Arwen-Aragorn talks that made no difference to the film . And I thought that , you know , this film is a beautyful one and there are not too much of those cliches and I was glad that this work will not be done by an American director (no offence) because in every movie they make there is sex , blood and lots of nakedness . <BR>If PJ does this to J.R.R.Tolkien's epic I will kill him my self <BR>Guess who's dissed right now ?

[Lord of Angmar]

Peter Jackson would not have the nerve nor the disrespect to Professor Tolkien to film an Aragorn and Arwen sex scene for the Return of the King. Also, as someone else said, Christopher Lee would not hear of it. He would quit the project before he allowed Peter Jackson to film such a thing.

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>there is always the chance that such a scene will cause PJ's assassination by a mob of rabid LotR purist-type fans who would take it as a form of blasphemy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh yess. <P>But I really don't think that will be necessary... *crosses fingers*

[Lyta_Underhill]

Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene... <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[Cinderella]

Beren: <BR>Maybe it was an overstatement but you have to consider that when I posted this I had just read the article and hadn't cooled down yet about the whole thing...<BR>I only called it a crime against literature because to me Prof. Tolkien's books have a little more depth than that and that would be making them simply shallow films and its a cheap way to attract an audience.

[One Axe to Rule them All]

It won't be the first time liv is nude in a film, that's even if it happens, though.

[Meneltarmacil]

I highly doubt that this rumor is true, especially considering the source. They are probably just making things up.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think they're really going to show that in the movie.

[Lush]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with nudity per se. In fact, if we lived in a more mature society, I would welcome nudity in any film with open arms and an open wallet (and Frodo is nude in the book at least once, as I recall).<P>As for the actual act of making love, that was never mentioned in LotR. I know you're going to think me absolutely <I>crazy</I>, he he, but sex scenes were never Tolkien's forte!!!!!! Neither are they Peter Jackson's, though he did do a lovely job in terms of handling the alienation and boredom that sex often brings in "Heavenly Creatures."<P>So keep littering the thread with little angry-faces, if you really don't have anything better to do, but I think a sex scene is as likely as a crack-smoking scene.<p>[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Lush ]

[HCIsland]

Oh man, and I heard they were borrowing the prosthetic from Boogy Nights. <P>H.C.

[Diamond18]

<I>"One Moment stood she, and a spell<BR>His voice laid on her: Beren came,<BR>And doom fell on Tinuviel<BR>That in his arms lay glistening."</I><P>Come on, Lush, with lines like that you say sex wasn't Tolkien's forte???<P>

[Dininziliel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Besides, doesn't Aragorn have better things to do (and Arwen also now she's stolen Éowyn's role)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I>WHAT?!?</I><B>what??!!</B> Oh, now I am genuinely alarmed. Naked sex scene? heehee, no way. But, Arwen taking Eowyn's role? Does this mean Jackson's got Arwen in the Battle of Pelennor Fields instead of Eowyn? Someone please tell me I am jumping to the wrong conclusion. But after TTT, I would not put it past Jackson.

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Amen, sister! <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think they're really going to show that in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Awww, man! Another perfect illusion about this movie shattered to pieces

[Lush]

Hehe, Diamond, we did discuss that aspect of his work once upon a time in the Books forum, but I don't think he ever approached sexuality directly in his work, i.e. something in terms of: "and then they got it on."

[Morquesse]

There won't be a sex scene in RotK. Why? There's no time. If PJ wanted a sex scene, he had the perfect opportunity TTT (and we would have witnessed how detailed Aragorn's memory is) <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't wan't him <I>completely</I> naked, just weak and helpless. <P>See you later!<BR>~M

[Lyta_Underhill]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't wan't him completely naked, just weak and helpless. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not me! I think that Frodo's complete nudity in the scene in the Tower of Cirith Ungol is symbolic and necessary. He may be helpless at that point, but he shows a refreshing hobbit resilience at the same time (Frodo telling Sam about his dream that awful orcs turned into Sam, so the dream can't be all bad and for a moment, Frodo seems almost normal.) The "they took everything...everything" moment is quite a powerful moment for Frodo and for Sam, who shows him that the Ring is safe at that moment. Actually, I don't care if they leave Frodo in a pair of (skimpy) hobbit trunks for the sake of a PG rating, but I DO hope they keep the scene! It is emblematic of how Frodo is completely broken down during his quest. His physical nudity mirrors his mental nudity ("naked in the dark".) See! I can be philosophical about a nude scene! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[THE Ka]

Well, you just don't know what Rolling Stone will put in their magazine to liven it up a bit. You know that their just over-boasting... i hope ... i've read rotr and there's natta thing in there that is anything like that! <BR> i hope to all mighty heaven rolling stone isn't true....<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ten thousand years we're struck the fire, creation's music freely sung with magick joined we've praised the stars since first the world begun. Our spirit lives in timeless dance, The Tarot and the Rune, and nights united in power of drawing down the moon! <BR>-David O. Norris, 1994

[samrohan]

The LOTR movies certainly don't need nudity or sex scenes to make them interesting. Though I am sure some low class porn producer will recreate some scenes of the LOTR in some low budget movies.<P>PJ may have Frodo nude but it should be kept short and tastful.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>He's already got people miffed about the Arwen Glorfindel ordeal and he's not about to sign his own death warrent in putting a sex scene in the ROTK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heh. If only we could believe that. Did miffing people about Arwen cause him to think twice about miffing the same peole with Boromir-<I>er</I>-Faramir in TTT?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PJ may have Frodo nude but it should be kept short and tastful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I am sure it will be like the scene with Gandalf in TTT.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>there is always the chance that such a scene will cause PJ's assassination by a mob of rabid LotR purist-type fans who would take it as a form of blasphemy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Thanks for the complement. <p>[ September 09, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[The Only Real Estel]

I kinda doubt PJ would do it also, but speculation is fun! And it draws good responses.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think they're really going to show that in the movie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Rats. <P> No, really, I think the scene in and of itself is significant, but they don't really have to show <I>anything</I>. *hint* I agree with Only Real Estel, saying that it will probably be like the bit with Gandalf in Towers.<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~<p>[ September 09, 2003: Message edited by: Sapphire_Flame ]

[Gilthalion]

You know, there could have been a nude scene with not only Frodo, but also Sam, Merry, and Pippin, all running about on the grass in the sunshine, having just been rescued from the wicked old Barrow Wight, himself!<P>This opportunity was lost along with the entire story of the Old Forest, Tombombadil, and the Barrow-Downs.<P>Off hand, I don't recall any other acts of random nudity in LOTR. Seems to me that in the SIL, Turin's sister ran around nude for a while.

[Finwe]

I think that Peter Jackson has more respect for Tolkien's books than to put a sex scene in Return of the King. Now a make-out scene is entirely different. He could still put that in there, and it would be more bearable. But he would never go all the way and put a sex scene in there.<P>Besides, since when have we degraded so low as to start believing Rolling Stone and other brainless magazines over our own Tolkien-inspired common sense? Shame on you all!

[Pookabunny]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Besides, since when have we degraded so low as to start believing Rolling Stone and other brainless magazines over our own Tolkien-inspired common sense? Shame on you all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, but yo - it's easy to get sidetracked when there's a threat to that purist vision. <P>Rolling Stone did what it wanted to do - it got us riled up and enticed us. Go them and their bait!

[Maeglanthirion]

I don't think it was an overstatement concerning an insult to literature or something. A sex scene in RotK would be the worst thing to happen. Number One, it would lead to the death of PJ by angy LotR mobs, that is if Christopher Lee didn't get to him first. And yes, it would raise the rating to R and they would lose a great deal of audience by the scene itself and the new rating. That really would be incredilbly stupid of PJ, and an insult to J.R.R. Tolkein. That would come close to making me leave the theater. I say almost because I couldn't miss the finale. I did hear a rumor about a sex scene in TTT and I was angry at hearing that. But that came out okay. It would also be a waste of time as said before, considering they cut the end off TTT, they gotta cram it in also, so I highly doubt it. Don't take this personally Lush, but can it! You're funny but wrong. If you wanna see Viggo naked, find another movie, cause LotR is the wrong one. Man, I though all the love scenes in TTT were a waste of time also, but my mom loved it . Well, now that I've added my bit, I'll be around.

[Lush]

Don't take this personally, Maeg, but before you tell me to "can it" why don't you go back and re-read my original posts?<p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Lush ]

[Lord of Angmar]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>but I think a sex scene is as likely as a crack-smoking scene.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank you, Lush, for being so down-to-earth. I personally would be upset if Peter Jackson chose to film such a thing, but I could not have put it better than your above quote about the likelyhood of such a thing happening. <P>If people here want to spend their time getting angry about something Tolkien-related, look no further than the Mattel Aragorn and Arwen Barbie Dolls. Yes, unlike this proposed "elf girl Liv Tyler" love scene, it is real.<P>Cheers!<BR>-Angmar

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If people here want to spend their time getting angry about something Tolkien-related, look no further than the Mattel Aragorn and Arwen Barbie Dolls. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>See, it's at times like these that I am glad I don't live in America. In this middle of nowhere, we are spared this unspeakable horror. Sorry to those that go for this kind of thing.

[Elen Ilúvitauri]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>but I think a sex scene is as likely as a crack-smoking scene. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, but what should it matter if there is? oh, i suppose the younger fans would find it inapropriate, but since it is lotr i dont think it would be the whol scene if you know what im talking about.

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Did miffing people about Arwen cause him to think twice about miffing the same peole with Boromir-er-Faramir in TTT?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol. Only Real Estel. <BR>I suppose you have a point, but after having thought it over some more I seriously don't think Jackson would do it. (and I'll join you at the head of the mob if he does )<BR>But seriously, think about the source.. <I>The Rolling Stone?</I> Since when are they a reliable source for movie insider info?

[Kalimac]

I agree with Lush (there's a shock for you ). Putting in a sex scene is about as likely as...well, think of anything that's really, really unlikely. Some movies work well with sex scenes, but this wouldn't be one of them - it just would have nothing to do with the point.<P>One thing I'd like to add about Rolling Stone - no, they're not exactly the most sober, factual source in the world, but in this case they may technically be right. No, I don't mean that we'll get the hidden-camera view of Aragorn and Arwen (or, worse, Eowyn). When they say "The sex is hotter" by using the comparative they're saying "hotter than in the first two movies." All the first two movies had were a few kisses and an embrace or two. We have to assume that this is what they mean when they loosely use the word "sex" to refer to those films; there sure isn't anything else that qualifies as even remotely sexual activity, unless you want to count the hobbits dancing in FOTR. So presumably, it just means we're going to get a bigger helping of what we've already seen glimpses of - that is, we might see Aragorn and Arwen kiss each other MORE THAN ONCE!!! (shock, amazement) and probably embrace at least once, at their wedding if nowhere else. And remember there's the as-yet-unrealized Eowyn/Faramir romance - they can't let those two go without a few pecks. And don't forget Sam and Rosie at the end.<P>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. And that happens a lot more in ROTK than in either of the other books.

[Lyta_Underhill]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. And that happens a lot more in ROTK than in either of the other books.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Good point, Kalimac! I personally didn't think twice about Rolling Stone's claims and just went off on a tangent on Frodo's nude scene, which has no sex at all, just nudity and a whole lot of emotion! And Gilthalion brings up the lost opportunity for a four-nude-hobbit scene! Ah, I miss the Barrow-Downs! <P>Anyway, Rolling Stone just rolls off my back, really! Its just fun to toss it around a bit! After all, Sam's gaggle of kids had to come from somewhere! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol, Kalimac. That is very true.

[Knight of Gondor]

Well, it took a long time for me to read all this! But it’s the kind of issue that’s come up before, and one worth sounding off on.<P>I don’t exactly know the reputation of Rolling Stone. I could take an educated guess, based on everyone’s reaction (“‘nuff said” . <P>But I think most of us can be pretty confidant that there will be no sex scene in RotK. Most of the reasons have already been mentioned, but surprisingly, no one has mentioned the rumor that the Fellowship of the Ring extended edition would be rated R for nudity. It was just a rumor to get everyone’s dander up. But it was believable enough (that is, a whole lot of people wanted it to be true) that a professional Hollywood reporter mentioned that rumor, without ever correcting it.<P>Then we had a very large discussion about this kind of thing back when the Two Towers preview released, and they had that bit in there with Arwen appearing to be on top of Aragorn and kissing him. After that, we all had it out over whether or not there’d be a Scene in TTT, and whether or not it would be right.<P>As for Poor Mr. Frodo’s supposed “nude” scene, I think we can stop worrying about that too. (Well, those of us who DON’T want to see any nudity) I think it will be as tasteful as Gandalf’s reawakening. Although, I must confess just trying to figure out what it looked like after that, according to the book, cracked me up. The Eagle comes and carries him around in the sky, and bears him back to none other than LOTHLÓRIEN! I can imagine a nude Gandalf creeping from Mallorn to Mallorn. Then sneaks up to one particular one and peeks out from it and whispers hoarsely: Haldir! PSSST! Haldir! *Gestures madly* Toss me that cloak!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And if it does happen.. well, I'll meet you in the lavatories to discuss assasination tactics. -Dynaviir <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ha ha, right on, Dynaviir! Only thing is, do YOU go to the Men’s Room? You might be evicted...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>You know, there could have been a nude scene with not only Frodo, but also Sam, Merry, and Pippin, all running about on the grass in the sunshine, having just been rescued from the wicked old Barrow Wight, himself!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Aha! So the true reason the “Tolkien purists” were up in arms about no Tom comes out. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>that is if Christopher Lee didn't get to him first.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you kidding? He’d be the leader of the pack. I can just imagine him with his staff, flinging PJ against the wall, those chubby little legs dressed always and only in shorts flinging every which way, and then belting him around a little, and then going something like this: “I gave you the chance of abstaining from scandalous scenes...but you...have elected the way of PAIN!” and then flinging him atop the Sears Roebuck Tower or something.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Don't take this personally Lush, but can it! – Maeglanthirion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maeglanthirion, I’ve been gone from this board for nine months, but back when I was here, I had to put up with Lush. Hee hee, no offense to Lush, that is. She’s got her own little unique worldview, so we just have to put up with her. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>See, it's at times like these that I am glad I don't live in America. In this middle of nowhere, we are spared this unspeakable horror. Sorry to those that go for this kind of thing. - Evisse the Blue <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don’t apologize for being glad you don’t get entertained by such “American” entertainment, Evisse. I’m not happy with it either. I have never gone to an R-rated movie, seen a graphic sex scene, anything like that. Nonetheless, I’m swamped by all kinds of flashy ads for those kinds of things, so it’s hard. But I’m still glad I live in America – there’s lots of good here too!<P>I think we can all relax about these rumors. Though I must insert that, on the slim chance they should prove true, I will choose not to see Return of the King until either one of two things: An edited version is released, or can be obtained, or I get married.

[Theoric Windcaller]

Dear lord Cinderella. I am not trying to be rude, but who cares if Aragorn and Arwen make love in RotK?<P>PJ is a hardcore LotR fan, probably more hardcore than most of us, so he knows what he's doing. Just let him do his thing. If there is sex in the 3rd movie, then just ignore it if you think its a crime against literature, but personally, I don't go for sex in movies, but I think that nothing really heavy but a long make out session will truly express the love between the two.<P>This is all IMO.

[Arwen Eruantale]

Sorry for the off-topic guys. But, Knight of Gondor, your PM box is full.

[Lush]

It's entirely may fault, <B>Arwen</B>, I've been sending <B>Knight</B> a little too much fan-mail. <P>*hangs head in shame*

[Annalaliath]

Knight check your messages!!!!!!!!

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Does this mean we get to see Faramir and Eowyn hot and heavy too...What about Sam and Rosie?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sam & Rosie? Ugghh, I'm scarred forever

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm scarred forever<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ditto.

[Meneltarmacil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I can imagine a nude Gandalf creeping from Mallorn to Mallorn. Then sneaks up to one particular one and peeks out from it and whispers hoarsely: Haldir! PSSST! Haldir! *Gestures madly* Toss me that cloak!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> *dies laughing* <P>Also note that Galadriel can see EVERYTHING going on within her realm ...<BR>I can just see it now.<BR>(voice in Gandalf's head): EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!! Either put some clothes on or get the &@#%$*@!!! out of here! Trust me, I did NOT want to see that.<p>[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, let's see if we can make three pages of outrage about something that's never going to happen. <P>For the record, I cannot see that there is anything wrong with nudity in films, provided that it is in the proper context. And the LotR films just ain't the right context.

[Dininziliel]

Appealing to the mercy of my fellow LotR folk, would someone please put me out of my anxiety and tell me what was meant by " ... now that Arwen stole Eowyn's role"???? Having roamed the internet in search of any information and finding none, I am hoping that it meant nothing, but I feel the need to be reassured that Eowyn will still be the one that ends Witch King's undead existence and not [shudders with contempt and horror] Arwen.

[Knight of Gondor]

I would not fear, Dininziliel. I am quite sure that Peter Jackson wouldn't do something so absolutely mind-numbingly stupid as to replace Eowyn with Arwen as the battler of the Witch-King. I don't think he's THAT tired of living! *Unsheaths sword*<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Knight of Gondor, your PM box is full.<P>It's entirely may fault, Arwen, I've been sending Knight a little too much fan-mail. <BR>*hangs head in shame*<P>Knight check your messages!!!!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't know what you guys are talking about. I checked, and I have nothing.<P>Ha ha, Lush, fan mail! Could you send me some chain mail instead? It would go great with my costume!

[Cinderella]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Dear lord Cinderella. I am not trying to be rude, but who cares if Aragorn and Arwen make love in RotK? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I only care becuase I felt it was completely unecessary to the plot and would take away time from the story that is dearly needed, I'm still wondering how they're going to fit everything relevant into this movie! If the scene was short and tasteful I wouldn't give a rats behind. I was just scared by the thought of PJ throwing in a useless sex scene to draw in more of a crowd. I simply don't want to see more important plot pieces abandoned for an Arwen and Aragorn scene that never happened in the first place. <BR>You follow me?

[Gorwingel]

If there is going to be sex in ROTK, Well then I must be the heir to the British throne! <BR>It is just not going to happen!!!!<P>Speaking of Rolling Stone though. In the upcoming issue Viggo is going to be in it. How surprised I was to see right next to the extremely sexual photo of Britney Spears, the name of the actor that plays our honorable Aragorn (even though he did have nude scenes in other films, it does not matter to me)<P>Additionally I have to say that I have read other articles by the movie reviewer from Rolling Stone, especially one about the upcoming Oscars and films that could be nominated. And the main guy loves the LOTR films. He actually wrote an entire thing about how LOTR:ROTK should win the Oscar for best picture, because everyone knows that the LOTR films are much better than "A Beautiful Mind" or "Chicago" <BR>When reviewers say stuff like that it just makes me happy <P>So Rolling Stone is not all that bad (except for the photo of Britney Spears, but that complant is completely off topic)

[Firnovvwen]

uhh, nudity's okay with me!!

[elvenmaiden14]

well well well i wouldnt be surprised of rolling stones said that ...honestly its the rolling stones magazine!! anyway if peter jackson DID add a little love scene he probably wouldnt make it a hard-core show all sex scene hed probably just show like kissing and like things that arent sooo provocative...also if peter did think of doing that i think he would sorta have to fight cuz didnt he have to get consent or wutever just to make that book a movie soo obviously i doubt he could change the book sooo much...also (changed subject a little) even though it hasnt come out yet but he just directed that new movie "cabin fever"...i want to see that...however its rated R sooo i wonder wut peter did in that movie that made it taht rating...i think its probably gore and cursing...

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>nudity's okay with me<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, with all respect, go watch American Pie or something and leave your nudity out of LotR please.<p>[ September 14, 2003: Message edited by: Knight of Gondor ]

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>also (changed subject a little) even though it hasnt come out yet but he just directed that new movie "cabin fever"...i want to see that...however its rated R sooo i wonder wut peter did in that movie that made it taht rating...i think its probably gore and cursing...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am sorry, but Peter Jackson did not direct that movie. He just endorsed it in the advertising. It is actually directed by a man by the name of Eli Roth.

[Cibbwin]

Well, you need to understand, Rolling Stone likes to joke around alot. "Sexed up" probably just means more kissing.

[Dininziliel]

Thank you, King, for the reply re Arwen v. Eowyn and the big do-in on the Pelennor with Witch King. As far as what Jackson is capable of--after TT, anything goes. I have to keep telling myself that the movies are <I>based</I> on LotR. I almost wish ME was not so captivating on and real to me on screen--that way I could more easily let go of the disappointment in his having changed the plot for pizzazz instead of having so little faith in audience ability to get zazzed on T's plot. It's just so painful to get so close yet fall so far. I know certain things have to be changed, but and ... oh, I'm about to do the Faramir rant. <P>I'll just end by saying I watched the DVD of TT and was struck by how many things did not really add up. We're just so zotzed by spectacle that story sense becomes secondary.<P>Oh dear. I think ... I do believe ... yes, it must be true--I have become a fanatic.<P>And proud of it!

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>yes, it must be true--I have become a fanatic.<P>And proud of it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hear hear! You have no idea... <P>Welcome to the Downs, dininziliel! Enjoy a long and glorious stay!

[elvenmaiden14]

_________________________________________<BR>I am sorry, but Peter Jackson did not direct that movie. He just endorsed it in the advertising. It is actually directed by a man by the name of Eli Roth<BR>__________________________________________<P>oh....thanks for telling me....hmm...yeh well when i heard his name in the trailer i thought he directed it..and it didnt seem like somethin he would be interested in ....

[HCIsland]

Just a question.<P>Why has a throw away comment in a throw away magazine generated 84 replies (85 now - Arrgh! ) on a board that, I think, typically has very good discussions?<P>H.C.<p>[ September 16, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[The Only Real Estel]

lol, HC. I'd guess because it raised an interesing topic of conversation, since most people are just posting as if the scene was actually in the movie. It's interesting to discuss peoples opinions/etc. on a sex scene in RotK (if there was one). That's my best guess (& now there's 86 ).

[Knight of Gondor]

Well, H.C., if we've OFFENDED you, we can stop...

[Lush]

Whether in a negative or positive fashion, a great deal of people do like to talk about any subject remotely linked to sex.

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whether in a negative or positive fashion, a great deal of people do like to talk about any subject remotely linked to sex. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Too true, Lush! <BR>And Tolkienites, however unique they may be from other points of view, are no exception to this general rule.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Whether in a negative or positive fashion, a great deal of people do like to talk about any subject remotely linked to sex. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Indeed, Lush. The mere mention of the word (especially in conjunction with the word "Outrage") is always bound to draw a crowd. It's the bread and butter of tabloid newspapers and "gossipy" magazines.<P>Next target - 4 pages.

[Ainaserkewen]

You are all so right. Just the use of the word has brought many people into this thread in the first place.<BR>Howere, IMHO, I don't think there will be any such romantic issues in the final installment.<BR>The romantic scenes between Arwen and Aragorn probably won't get any hotter, but they are nessesary, I'm not suprised that there were so many in TTT.

[Knight of Gondor]

I don't relish the subject at all! I just don't want to see the reputation of my favorite movies tarnashed by fish-wrapper rumors.<P>Perhaps it IS time to talk about something else, now that rumors are quenched...

[Lush]

One doesn't have to relish a subject to have a response to it, I don't think. <P>Anyway, the main purpose of <I>Rolling Stone</I> is no longer aimed at reflecting on pop culture. It is aimed at subverting and sensationalizing anything that can be subverted and sensationalized.<P>While I don't think that in this particular case the editor's desire was to tarnish a movie's image in the eye of the public, they were definitely acting according to the formula of how such magazines are sold. We have better writers at the university's weekly entertainment magazine, and none of us even get paid. Says a lot about <I>Rolling Stone</I> doesn't it?<P>Anyway, as a certain prolific BD-er said the other day, "Rolling Stone, always starting avalanches..."<p>[ September 18, 2003: Message edited by: Lush ]

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hey, let's see if we can make three pages of outrage about something that's never going to happen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hey, now that we've got under lock & key, Saucepan Man, why not shoot for 4? Seriously though, I don't think there's a problem about continuing to discuss it if no one else does...

[the ninth spelunker]

I was wondering if anyone here has seen this picture yet. It's at <A HREF="http://www.spydirweb.com/lotr.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.spydirweb.com/lotr.htm</A> go to pictures under links on the left side of the page and click on Frodo

[Beren87]

Now *that's* terribly frightening.<P>And I just have one thing to say. For all of those people who had random reponses amounting to "that stuff doesn't appeal to me at ALL!!".<P>You are indeed in the minority of the population, and more significantly, probably lieing. Realise that most people like sex, it happens to be the mechanism for continueing our species.

[Diamond18]

Gee, "mechanism": make it sound real attractive there, Beren. What would Tolkien say? Describing an age old act of pretty much all life forms with a word coined in 1662 relating to *bumbumbum* <I>machinery!</I>. The outrage! I'm so outraged I... I... oh, cookies.....<P>Oh, and I saw <A HREF="http://www.spydirweb.com/1234.jpg" TARGET=_blank>that picture</A> two years ago in Premiere magazine. (If you use that link you don't have to scroll and click around to find the pic, it'll be there, magically.)<P>Two more posts, HC, and we can start singing "99 posts of outrage on the board". (Disclaimer: This is a joke, I am in no way, shape, form, angle, or equation condoning such a mindless post).

[Evisse the Blue]

Diamond's right - that pic's of Elijah, not Frodo, and it is not from the supposedly nude scene, if any of you were wondering - or hoping.

[hobbit punk]

Hmmm maybe this will help get it to a fourth page... <P>Seriously though, if there is a "sex scene" in ROTK, it will probably be something along the lines of Aragorn and Arwen kissing and embracing sometime after their wedding and then having the doors sort of swing shut on them. The audience is left to use their imagination and there is little slandering of Tolkien. That's it. I doubt and hope their isn't.

[Aduyuldaiel-MirkwoodPrincess]

how SICKNING is THAT?! dude...i think that PJ would have better judgment than THAT... or atleast i HOPE so but i guess well jus have to see...

[Jack]

I don't read the rolling stone magizine but I will fume with you and anyone who wishes to fume to! (not like I have anything against Aragon/Arwen in fact I would fume if they didn't get married but this is to much!)

[HCIsland]

My only question is, who's on top? <P>H.C.

[ArathorofBarahir]

I highly doubt that PJ would incorportate sex into ROTK. It just doesn't sound like him.<p>[ September 27, 2003: Message edited by: ArathorofBarahir ]

[Finwe]

HC, my lad, you deserve to be spanked!!!! <P>I honestly think that picture is disturbing (even though I've seen it before), but just glance at the hair, and you know it's another "interesting" picture of Elijah. I've seen so many "interesting" pictures of that poor boy, that it's not funny any more. I sincerely feel sorry for him.

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I've seen so many "interesting" pictures of that poor boy, that it's not funny any more. I sincerely feel sorry for him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>lol, my thoughts exactly! Sickening are the minds of photographers...