RotK Rumors - Share yours! **POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

[Knight of Gondor]

What rumors have you heard regarding ROTK? I've concocted one of my own that Aragorn will not wish to sheath Narsil, based on the pictures I've seen, and the action figure, all of which do not have Narsil in a sheath.<P>I know of a few more, but I need to leave, so I'll let you guys share some of yours, and hopefully check back in soon.

[The Only Real Estel]

Well obvoulsy there's the rumour that Sauron will appear & fight Aragorn. We know it was filmed but don't know if it was cut or kept. I started a whole thread about that though...

[Faramir Fan]

...and from AICN, the Faramir/Eowyn wedding was filmed...but whether it will make the cut - I dunno?

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Oooh I really hope that makes it. And if not the theatrical, then hopefully the EE.<P>Of course, there's that rumour regarding our dear old friends Leggy and Wormy...

[Sapphire_Flame]

Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing Wormtongue get an arrow through his head... <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Arwen Imladris]

Here is one that is NOT TRUE but very funny nonetheless. It is suposedly the last 2 pages of the ROTK script.<P><A HREF="http://pages.emerson.edu/students/jesse_hill/rotk1.html" TARGET=_blank>Click Here!</A>

[Knight of Gondor]

Sauron appears and fights Aragorn? That is CRAZY! Sauron's spirit fell when the Ring was unmade! How could he appear and fight Aragorn! Aragorn, great though he was, surely could not have contested Sauron in battle.<P>Since I sort of deduced it myself, does my theory about Anduril make sense?

[Knight of Gondor]

I read those pages of the supposed RotK script, and while I admit they appear fabricated, and someone said they were fake, it still looks like it might be a good way to end, covering the rest of the story and such. Still, I would rather it end on a very good note, not like the book.

[Birdland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sauron appears and fights Aragorn? That is CRAZY! Sauron's spirit fell when the Ring was unmade!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'd assume that this would occur during the last battle, with Aragorn and Sauron having a face-off while the camera cuts between the warriors and Frodo struggling with Gollum at the Cracks of Doom.<P>Then, just as it seems that Sauron is about to prevail over our plucky king-to-be, Gollum takes his dive into the lava, and <I>POOF!</I>...no more Sauron!<P>Eh, I could live with that.

[Gorwingel]

Ohhhh... Those last two fake pages of the script are very cool. That is exactly the way I hope they end the films <P>I personally think that they are going to show at least a little of the wedding of Eowyn and Faramir. Just to show the fans of those charaters that everything goes turns out well for them. <BR>It will probably be something like a passing scene with the two of them in embrace after the end of the wedding service or something like that.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still, I would rather it end on a very good note, not like the book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't want them to change the end at all. I would like it to be just like the book with a little bit of the appedieces added in to give it a proper closing. Much like those two fraudulent pages of script. Actually I wouldn't mind if they ended the films with Sam at home with Elanor reciting that famous line. But I don't think that the non-book readers would be happy with that.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Yeah, why should anyone want to change the ending so that it is happy? If it isn't in the book, then it shouldn't be in the film. But then it wasn't exactly that sad in the book anyway.<BR>About Narsil and Andúril, it's an interesting theory and does make sense, but WHY????? He's not going to be so doubtful about this 'weakness in his veins' that he'll even refuse the sword, will he???

[Sapphire_Flame]

I know those two pages are fake, but that still would be a pretty cool way to end the Movies. Just kinda wraps everything up.<P>I heard another rumor that it's Eowyn, not Legolas that kills Wormtongue. I think the justice there is better, don' t you?<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[HCIsland]

Funny, I found those fake last two pages rather lame and pointless.<P>You can't make the last images of Legolas and Gimli! or even Aragorn or Arwen. It's got to end with Frodo and Sam. The theme of Frodo sacrificing his life so that others could enjoy the simple pleasure of home and family is central. PJ has played with plot and character, but I think he's captured the themes well.<P>H.C.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Yes, I really hope so. It's the hobbits you are meant to really get to know first, and it's with them you end.<P>But since when was Éowyn an archer? That really doesn't work...besides, the manner of the arrow entering dear Wormy's head is like that of a typical Leggy stunt.

[Esgallhugwen]

Well I already knew that they were going to have wormtongue and Saruman die differently than in the book which totally blows in my opinion I wanted to see the Shire Hobbits kick some bad butt!!! Well anyway I thought the ending in the book was sad though it ends with a simple yet painfully "Well, I'm back" But on to a slightly happier note I think they should add some of the appendices so you know that the characters live on even when Frodo and Gandalf leave. Although Aragorn and Arwen do die and so do Merry and Pippin, etc. (That would be for the non-book readers to be included inthe movie)<P>They shouldn't have Aragorn fight Sauron that's ridiculous, I don't think that that one is true... no way PJ would even think of doing that. Well I have a lot more to say but it would take alot of time to say and I don't want to ramble on.<P>p.s. I can't wait to see Shelob, PJ better have left in the Mouth of Sauron, I think i saw a model of his horse it looks briliantly awesome, all you have to do is look at the extra stuff in the fellowship cd's I unsure about the regular one but it's in the EE version

[Olorin]

Possibly the thing with Sauron apearing and fighting Aragorn would be when Aragorn looks into the palantir and "contests the will of Sauron."<P>Anyone think so?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think it would be awful if Eowyn or any other character kills Wormtongue. It needed to be from an anonymous Hobbit archer in the book to convey the sadness of his life. I presume the incident will happen in Isengard in the film so I'm praying that it will be an anonymous Rohirrim archer who kills Wormtongue.<P>If anyone else does it, like Legolas, Eowyn or Eomer, then the whole point of his death will be missed in order to fulfill some corny Hollywood-style revenge scene.

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PJ better have left in the Mouth of Sauron<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He did. I'm sure of it. On Ian McKellen's official site, he spoke of doing a re-shoot, and having someone stand in on the blue screen where the (quote) Mouth of Sauron threw the mirthril coat down (unquote). So we can be sure of that.

[Daisy Brambleburr]

After reading my copy of SFX magazine I can tell you that the Mouth of Sauron is going to be played by someone called Bruce Spence. So I am assuming that he's in (yay!)

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Possibly the thing with Sauron apearing and fighting Aragorn would be when Aragorn looks into the palantir and "contests the will of Sauron."<BR>Anyone think so?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, no. If it's not cut it will be in pysical form at the battle field. & Birdland is right, Frodo destroys the Ring in time to save Aragorn from getting smeared all over Middle Earth. That's just presuming it's left in though.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>After reading my copy of SFX magazine I can tell you that the Mouth of Sauron is going to be played by someone called Bruce Spence. So I am assuming that he's in (yay!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've seen a pic of them putting on some of his makeup (can't really see much, though), so we know he was filmed. Hopefully PJ hasn't cut him, but I kind've doubt that.

[HCIsland]

The Mouth of Sauron is one of those images I'm really looking forward to. I love that moment when the Hosts of the West are infront of the Black Gates issuing challenges. The doors begin to open and the anticipation grows. Then a single figure, with a small escort, comes through, dwarfed by the size of the enormous gates.<P>Great visual stuff. Jackson has to use it.<P>H.C.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Great visual stuff. Jackson has to use it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He's deffinatly one to flock to the visuals. & he's great at converting them to the silverscreen too.

[peonydeepdelver]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The doors begin to open and the anticipation grows. Then a single figure, with a small escort, comes through, dwarfed by the size of the enormous gates.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO. Much like the Gollum scenes.

[daffadowndilly]

about the fake script thing...<P>i thought the first page that it was a beautiful way to end the trilogy, i'd probably start crying if i saw it actually in a movie( i felt like crying reading it), but i dont like ending with legolas and gimli. It was okay, ending with the theme of friendship, but it really should have ended with the hobbits, or at least legolas and gimli meeting frodo and sam or whatever.

[Frodo2968thewhite]

Does anyone know anything about the burning heads in Pelennor? That is one of the moments that stand out in my mind from ROTK. <BR>Also, I think that ROTK should end after Frodo sails off, and should show what the rest of the fellowship did after it. And mabey the last scene could show Frodo on the ship, and Valinor in the distance. I like dreaming!

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Much like the Gollum scenes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, well, they were still more enjoyable then the countless jokes centered around Gimli you have to admit.

[Knight of Gondor]

About the burning heads - (Actually, in the book, the heads didn't burn, but the projectiles preceeding them did) I don't know whether they will be in or not. From previews of RotK (on the TTT DVD) and such, one can see burning projectiles, and Orcs commanding the launch of such things, but I don't know whether the heads will be in or not. Even though it's in the books, I do hope it won't be in the movie. Just comes across as violence glorified.

[Brinniel]

I am usually not one who cares much for gore, but come on; it's <I>flying heads!</I> <P>Can anyone tell me where exactly that scene is in the book? It's been awhile since I've read ROTK, and seem to have forgotten many details.

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Absolutely. It would be delicate, but if handled right it would be scary as hell because the audience (the ones that haven't read the book in a while anyway) would be wondering what is going to happen next.<P>H.C.

[Daisy Brambleburr]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Absolutely. It would be delicate, but if handled right it would be scary as hell because the audience (the ones that haven't read the book in a while anyway) would be wondering what is going to happen next. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree with HC, that scene has the potential to look so good. The audience would be wrong-footed because their expecting an army but they actually get a mysterious and forboding person in a black cloak. Like the calm before the storm. I really hope it's done well now. I'll put some faith in and believe that PJ can do it.

[Evisse the Blue]

I saw a pic of Aragorn and Eowyn (you all probably saw it too by now), when she is lying on a bed, and he's by her side; I wonder, is that from the Houses of Healing, what do you think? Does that mean that after Aragorn heals her she sees him and they talk?(in the book he leaves before she wakes up)

[Finwe]

Perhaps Grima being shot by an anonymous archer of the Rohirrim could be kind of like the random old guy at Helm's Deep who killed a random Orc. That would be SO funny!!!!<P>I actually don't mind the whole puny, plucky man-King vs. huge, menacing, evil Dark Lord showdown because I trust PJ, and I know that whatever he does, whatever he changes, he will make it so good that we forget that he's changed it at all! That man is truly gifted, and I sincerely trust him.

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Perhaps Grima being shot by an anonymous archer of the Rohirrim could be kind of like the random old guy at Helm's Deep who killed a random Orc. That would be SO funny!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That WOULD be pretty good! Everyone aims their bows, and that old guy is with them, and he is quivering again and accidentally shoots Wormy. Still, we don't know HOW Grima will find his end...

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still, we don't know HOW Grima will find his end...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Actully as far as I know we do. Unless it's been cut & redone (<I>extremly</I> unlikely), this is how it will run:<P> Legolas shoots an arrow at Grima (who's probably ontop of Orthanc after throwing Saruman off of the tower), & Grima laughs at Legolas's seeming inaccresy when the arrow soars over Grima Wortounge's head. All of a suddent the arrow comes plummeting down & crashes through Grima's skull. Terribly sorry if I missed something that confirmed this <B>wouldn't</B> be in RotK, but I don't think I have. As I've said before I'd prefer a direct hit, rather than a cheesy, "Oh! You missed! Nahnahnahnah-crash-owww..." type scene, but PJ has been none to slightly over-dramatize things (not say he's not a good director though).

[Knight of Gondor]

Hey, just a few more things I've heard. First of all, I'm pretty sure Gandalf the White will return to the Shire in his same old cart...Ian McKellen mentioned it in his white book website.<P>Also, check out the <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com" TARGET=_blank>Internet movie database</A> and check out some of those photos there. Nothing you haven't already seen if you've looked, though, but there are allegedly previews available. Here's the link if it will work:<A HREF="http://imdb.com/title/tt0167260/trailers" TARGET=_blank>Return of the King trailers</A><P>Let me know if any of these work!

[Knight of Gondor]

More good news! I learned from the internet movie database that Ghan-buri-ghan is going to be in the movie, played by <A HREF="http://imdb.com/name/nm0433922/" TARGET=_blank>Wi Kuki Kaa</A>. His name sounds like he might be a member of that tribe!

[Daisy Brambleburr]

Ghan-buri-ghan is in? Yess! I thought he was a great little character, he had some very good lines. I shall look forward to seeing him.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Ghan-buri-ghan is in? Yess! I thought he was a great little character, he had some very good lines. I shall look forward to seeing him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> I would also like to see him, but if all we know is that an actor was cast for him; then we really don't know if his role has been cut of not by now...& that'd be a very real possiblity.

[HCIsland]

I remember seeing that cast list some time ago but then reading an interview with Jackson (I think it was in the summer) where he said that no scenes were shot with Ghan-Buri-Ghan and likely none would be done in pick-ups.<P>I'm not sure what to think on this one. Part of me is worried that he would be portrayed too much the nobel savage on film, but a bigger part would love to see him in the film. I'm just not pinning my hopes on it.<P>H.C.

[Lyta_Underhill]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Legolas shoots an arrow at Grima (who's probably ontop of Orthanc after throwing Saruman off of the tower), & Grima laughs at Legolas's seeming inaccresy when the arrow soars over Grima Wortounge's head. All of a suddent the arrow comes plummeting down & crashes through Grima's skull. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I really hope this is not how Grima meets his end, simply for the reason that it would make Legolas seem cruel, harsh, unthinking, etc. etc. (showoff!) Then again, I wished that Theoden had given Grima the chance to serve in battle as in the book TTT, but I suppose some finer points must be sacrificed for the film to work...<P>I did notice that, at the end of the movie FOTR, Legolas is hurrying to get the boat into the water to follow Frodo and Sam, never thinking that perhaps they ought to be thinking about Merry and Pippin and the Orcs taking them to Isengard. Another "thoughtless" Legolas moment (or maybe just impulsive), but I put it down to chaos and expedience. I know Legolas isn't like that! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I really hope this is not how Grima meets his end<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> As I've said before (& a few others have too), that particular death scene for Grima is in unless PJ decided to cut it (.00001% chance).<p>[ September 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[ArathorofBarahir]

I have just one thing to say. I have no objection whatsoever about Sauron appearing in ROTK. I mean what about those people who haven't read the books, they at least need something to visualize. Plus I think it would an absolutely awesome action sequence.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I mean what about those people who haven't read the books, they at least need something to visualize. Plus I think it would an absolutely awesome action sequence.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> I realize it would be an 'awesome action scene', but I'm willing to sacrifice my love for action to save a part. There's nothing wrong <B>per se</B> with it, but Saruman did tell Gandalf that Sauron couldn't yet take physical form, & for him to do it might discredit the movie...I have more of a problem of him fighting Aragorn then just appearing in general. <p>[ September 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[Knight of Gondor]

There is no way I would accept that sequence with Sauron and Aragorn. Aragorn is strong, but no one would want to see him in weakness before Sauron, and how can any mortal appear before a Maiar otherwise? I really hope that isn't true.

[Finwe]

That was the whole point of putting Sauron in there. It provides a little tension for the audience, because we all know Sauron can wipe Mordor with Aragorn, so it's all up to Frodo to save everyone. Aragorn's butt will get kicked in the fight, but just before Sauron delivers the killing blow, Gollum falls into Mt. Doom, and BAM! Sauron's gone!

[Daisy Brambleburr]

And it will give us something to discuss and moan about after RotK comes out.

[Knight of Gondor]

Here's a few thoughts expressed about the trailer on TheOneRing.net. I haven't seen this trailer yet, but soon!<BR>---------------<P>I watched the trailer and my first impression was that although it was good, the trailer/preview on the Two Towers DVD had much more feeling and just seemed better.(Ofcourse this could simply be my mind that makes me wonder this as I did see the DVD first heh) I dot remember too many things of the trailer, however your mention of Shelob being in it, is true. She does a quick 1 second onscren time. It is right in the same scene as we saw Peter Jackson watch in the preview on the DVD. Quite nice actually. Frodo runs down the hall, looks back and sees Shelob, as do we for the 1 second(probly less). Other things to note. Theres a brief scene where we see Gandalf ride out towards a big army/skirmish, his staff lighting up the area. I am asuming this could be where he rides out to help Faramir in the books. Other than that there is a nice view of Merry in battlegear looking up at Eowyn, also in battlegear. And she says to him: "Stay with me." Or something like that. A scene I would imagine where the are about to go into battle. There is also a few shots of a Legolas that looks not as we have seen him before, as far as I could tell. He looked very scary, and in one of these shots, he says: "He has come." (I think) This COULD possibly be where the army is at the gates to Mordor, and Saurons representative comes out. It sure looks very ominous and my impressions was that Legolas had doom written on his otherwise determined face. heh <BR>The score in the trailer is overall very low key, which might be one of the reasons I dont actually think the trailer leads of to something quite big. I have enjoyed the fan-trailer you posted a little while ago, and the music in that as well as the preview on the DVD seems stronger and more fitting somehow. <BR>Anyways, these were a few of the things I recall mostly from the trailer. Its a feast to be sure. <BR>Feasul <BR>Hi guys, i just wanted to point out that in the shot of frodo climbing up the cliff with Minas Morgul in the back, you can actually see the army of the witch king coming out of it, you see troops moving below, coming out of, i guess, the same gate that we saw in FOTR. <BR>I'm delighted that this scene is actually in the film because I loved it so much in the book and I think it is a very iconic scene from the trilogy. Not to mention that it is also a relief to see that Minas Morgul IS in the films, when it wasn't even on Faramir's map! <BR>MovieImp <BR>I Work at a theatre and we loaded up the trailer really quick for a once thru last night. This is what I remember: <BR>Legolas and Aragorn open the trailer. Legolas says something about the Eye of Mordor is looking at them or something like that and he has the hood of his cape up and he is looking toward Aragorn. There is a later shot in the trailer that is similar to this one. <BR>Aragorn and Gandalf talking about Frodo's chances. <BR>There is a shot of Legolas that is very familiar shooting his bow. I've seen it somewhere. . <BR>A great shot of Legolas climbing the trunk or leg of the Oliphant. You are looking down at him while he is climbing up toward you. <BR>It's very powerful when they are reforging the sword and Elrond brings it to Aragorn and tells him to basically buck up and be the king. That part was in the E clip. You can't really tell who is reforging the sword it went by very fast. <BR>A couple more shots of Legolas. A big close up as he turns and looks at something and the one where he is fighting in the midst of all the orcs shouting. <BR>There is a major stunning shot of the ringwraiths flying down to the war fields and just wrecking havoc. Your level on the field looking at the ringwraiths flying down toward the galloping horsemen and they just drop toward them and wham into them and they go flying. It's hard to describe. <BR>The shots from the E clip of Frodo and Sam climbing up and Gollum looking at the ring with major lust going on. Also of Sam yelling at Gollum that he is leading them into a trap and Frodo says no we are taking him with us. Gollum looks back and just gives this evil smile to Sam. <BR>A great shot of Dernhelm with Merry saying whatever happens stay close to me. <BR>The music is different but the same feeling and it was stunning. It was very familiar yet different just like what they did with TTT. It has some same basic themes but seemed more on the dramatic rather than urgent side. <BR>There is a great shot of Shelob and she is freakin scary as all get out chasing them thru the tunnels. <BR>There is also a really quick shot of Sam and Frodo and it just makes you hurt for the pain in their faces and I'm pretty sure the ring is doing something to Frodo's neck it looked raw, burned. <BR>There is not much of Pippin just the one shot with Merry telling him they will see the Shire again. <BR>Lots of Elrond telling Arwyn that he can do no more for her as she gave up her grace to another. Arwyn also states it is time for the sword to be returned to the king. <BR>A quick shot of Eomer sobbing on the battlefield holding someone. <BR>it goes by really really fast but it is simply wonderful. <BR>Betababs writes: <BR>I work at the theaters, in modesto california, i was lucky last night and got to see it early, heres what was in it <BR>is saw the trailer last night, and it was phenomenol. I really cant put it into words, but it's fanatastic. Heres what I remember <BR>Starts of with a shot of minus morgul and mt doom in the background, and there is a huge light shooting up from the tower <BR>Then it goes to legolas with neat hood on, standing with aragorn, saying something about the ememy <BR>Aragorn and Gandalf talking about Frodo, and if he is still alive, Aragorn ask Gandalf "what does your heart tell you" <BR>Some other things that stuck out <BR>Elrond saying the enemy will never let aragorn take the throne of Gondor <BR>Arwen saying it is time....(for aragorn to be king) <BR>Arwen saying give him the sword of the king, and shots of them forging it <BR>Shot of elrond giving Aragorn the sword, aragon takes anduril out of its sheath like lighting and looks at it <BR>Elrond says "BECOME WHAT YOU WERE MEANT TO BE" I almost cried <BR>Then an awesome airial shot of 3 nazgul swooping down like lighting above minas tirith <BR>Shots of the battle of pelenor fields, a nazgul swooping down on a couple horses <BR>Eomer crying, holding theoden <BR>Frodo being chased by shelob <BR>Dernhelm talking to merry, saying to stick with her no matter what <BR>Cool shot of Gandalf and pippin looking at the brewing storm <BR>Shots of Gollum, Frodo, and Sam <BR>Sam hears what gollum says about killing them, but frodo says he will not abandon him <BR>Eomer saying we cant defeat sauron by force, aragorn says we can buy frodo some time <BR>Aragorn gives a speech, possible to the rohirrim? or the army of the west in mordor. <BR>Some shots of the paths of the dead <BR>Legolas on a mumakil <BR>Some battle shots <BR>Thats all I remember but im so stoked to see this movie, i hope this helps

[HCIsland]

Updated my crazy webpage of spoilers.<P><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/hcisland/tolkien.htm" TARGET=_blank>Book Adaptations</A><P>H.C.

[Birdland]

Here's a little rumor I picked up from the Billy Boyd website forum - OK, I was looking for M&C pics and I couldn't resist peeking. Geez, those girls need to take some cold showers - Anywhoooo...the rumor is: PIPPIN SINGS!<P>Yes, a poster quoted an interview with John Noble;, he mentions a scene where Denethor asks the halfling to sing him a song and, (this being the movie) Pippin obliges. John Noble commented on what a beautiful tenor voice Billy Boyd had.<P>Sounds like it will be a nice little moment. Hope it makes it through the cutting room.

[kboleen]

Bruce Spence, Mouth of Sauron, played the Gryo pilot in The Road Warrior

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

For some reason I have this strange desire to hear Billy Boyd sing...inexplicable really...

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Aragorn's butt will get kicked in the fight, but just before Sauron delivers the killing blow, Gollum falls into Mt. Doom, and BAM! Sauron's gone! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah yes, a perfect example of the type of scenes that every movie-goer hates. Aragorn shouldn't last half a second, much less a couple hits...

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Yes, a poster quoted an interview with John Noble;, he mentions a scene where Denethor asks the halfling to sing him a song and, (this being the movie) Pippin obliges. John Noble commented on what a beautiful tenor voice Billy Boyd had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I like this. Hope it makes the cut.<P>H.C.

[Oddwen]

Pippin singing sounds like an EE scene, sadly. Maybe it would be the Bottle Song?

[HCIsland]

I think we can scrap Aragorn fighting Sauron.<P>From <A HREF="http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16241" TARGET=_blank>Ain't It Cool News</A>.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I mention, because Mr Fusion sent in some more info about a sequence that wound up the end of the film (sort-of spoilers coming)............ It seems that Aragorn is to fight Sauron, all dressed up in the armour that we saw Sauron in during the FOTR prologue. Sauron comes out of the Blake Gates, whips the bejesus out of Aragorn, and is about to do him in when Frodo does what he does and saves the day. Now, PJ took some liberties with TWO TOWERS, so I was willing to believe this to be the truth. But just to be on the safe side, I checked with others in the know. <P>According to regular scooper Johnny Bartlett, that was the case about three years ago (When principle photography ended, by the way!). Johnny mentioned that battle did indeed feature in earlier draft of ROTK, and he assumed that’s the info Mr Fusion is working off of. <P>Then, information came through from super-spy Dr Lynskey. He tells us that, “Sauron DOES NOT APPEAR IN PHYSICAL FORM at the end of the film”, and goes on to hint that there’s a good chance Aragorn will fight something big at the end... Unfortunately, due to the hippopotamus oath Dr L took when he signed up for fake medical school, he decided not to say what it was that Aragorn fights (considering that piece of information would spoil something that actually *is* in the final film, he opted for “classy”). <P>So, there you go: a taste of what could have been, and a murky promise of the potential for a fight scene! Who says we don’t deliver? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>H.C.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think we can scrap Aragorn fighting Sauron.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Alright. Taking your advice though, (finally gotten around to it ) I'm waiting until it's released...

[Ainaserkewen]

Billy Singing? Wow, once again I say "I can't wait!!!"<BR>Everyone here has sure heard alot more than I have, I don't have as much time on the net to browse around so much, I glad theres this thread, were all the wonderful spoilers are gathered by hundreds of people all collected into one place! Is that efficient or what.<BR>Anywho, I'm anxious to hear more, and I'll keep my eyes open.

[ArathorofBarahir]

I think that would awesome if Billy were to sing, I was reading a little bit about him before he did LOTR it says that he can sing tenor and baritone, so I think that would be pretty cool.

[ArathorofBarahir]

I have also heard a rumor about Saruman falling off Orthanc and being impaled on a spiked wheel. What do you all think of that?<p>[ October 08, 2003: Message edited by: ArathorofBarahir ]

[HCIsland]

There is little doubt that something to that effect has been filmed but so, apparently, have a few other Saruman deaths. It remains to be seen what will appear in the final film.<P>One thing seems almost certain though, Saruman will die early in the film when our heros travel to Isengard.<P>H.C.<p>[ October 08, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I have also heard a rumor about Saruman falling off Orthanc and being impaled on a spiked wheel. What do you all think of that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I suppose there's not a possible way to get <I>everyone</I> informed to this & a few other incidents that keep popping up again & again. Oh well...

[Finwe]

To make it suitably dramatic: When Saruman starts insulting the Rohirrim, in a moment of righteous rage and in defense of the country (and the woman) that he subconsciously loves, Grima whips out a dagger and stabs Saruman, then pushes him off the balcony, onto the spiked wheel. Grima (who grabbed the palantir) is staring, stunned, at what he did, and then a random arrow (from either Legolas or that random one-eyed old Rider, take your pick) shoots him, and he slowly lets go of the palantir and dies. <P><BR>(How's that? Movie Plot 101)

[Essex]

On a different theme, I’ve been reading some info I’d downloaded a few months back on ROTK from Big Picture News Inc<BR>A quote from Elijah Woods: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The third movie has always been my favorite. I've seen moments from it and they just break my heart. You've grown to care about these characters and they lose quite a lot in the process of the third movie. Frodo, Sam, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn will never be the same.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I understand the losses of Frodo and Sam, (and maybe Gimli once Galadriel leaves Middle Earth). But I’m struggling to work out what Legolas and Aragorn lose, or why they would never be the same again?<BR>Any ideas what Elijah could mean?

[Finwe]

Legolas would never be the same because of the Sea-longing that had risen in his heart. Galadriel's warning was that if he ever heard the gulls crying, then his heart would never lie among the trees of Mirkwood, it would seek to sail West. That restlessness could have changed him forever.<P>Aragorn definitely wouldn't be the same because he would have accepted his identity as King, and taken on those burdens. Being a King or a Queen is a very heavy burden, and it really would change someone for life.

[Essex]

fair answer, but I meant in context to his second sentence.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>You've grown to care about these characters and they lose quite a lot in the process of the third movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Faramir Fan]

I think it would be cool if Saruman does to Grima, what he does in the Scouring of the Shire. It has been rumoured that it will be revealed in the extended version of TTT that Wormtongue had killed Theodred with some kind of poison spike thing. What if Theoden says to Wormtongue at the Orthanc, "you were not responsible for what you did, I forgive you, etc. You do not have to stay with Saruman, etc." And then Saruman's eyes light up and he reveals that Grima killed Theodred. Grima flies into a rage and does the deed, whether it be by pushing or stabbing Saruman.<P>I would love this because although we aren't getting a Scouring of the Shire, Saruman's end would be strangly familiar to book readers...

[Knight of Gondor]

On another note, did y'all see the brief shot of the seat of Denethor? It appeared to be next to a set of stairs which looked like they ascended to perhaps the lawful throne of Gondor? Take a look at the preview again, you'll notice a large set of white stairs next to the seat.

[Essex]

yeah; Knight of Gondor, and if you look at the special edition lord of the rings book with Alan Lee pictures, you will see where jackson got it from. I was looking at the book the other night; I didn't realise how much jackson has used alan's pictures. the shot of frodo going towards cirith ungol has been copied (ie the steps and the walls either side) the picture of helm's deep is exactly the same as the film, isengard looks the same. the shot of the dead marshes over dagorlad towards the mountains of mordor looks exactly like the film as well.<P>apologies if I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs...........

[HCIsland]

Oh my God!!!<P>I knew PJ was going to play with the story a bit, but ...<P>Sam obviously comes up with a new way of dealing with Gollum.<P> <P>H.C.<P>PS: I'm only kidding. This is Sean Astin in a guest appearance on the Showtime program Jeremaih which is premiering tonight.<P>H.C.

[Finwe]

For a second I thought poor Sam had gone postal!!!! Whew!!<P>And the lesson we learn from that kids, is never mess with a Hobbit, for they are "not subtle and quick to anger."

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Yes, a poster quoted an interview with John Noble;, he mentions a scene where Denethor asks the halfling to sing him a song and, (this being the movie) Pippin obliges. John Noble commented on what a beautiful tenor voice Billy Boyd had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Where is this interview???<P>Please please please please PM me with the link or whatever if you ever come across a John Noble/Denethor related thing. I have to have everything on him.

[Lily Bracegirdle]

I hope Billy sings the Bath Song. <P>AICN has a great new rumor up: more shooting in NZ next year for the RoTK Extended Edition. That would make me *very* happy. <P>-Lily

[Birdland]

Meela, it's at the Billy Boyd website's forum. Apparently John Noble gave a chat at another website, where he referred to the scene where Pippin sings for Denethor. I didn't recognize the name of the website, and there was no link.<P>The moderator at B.B. forum apparently confirmed that he had seen this scene, but didn't say if it would be in the December release, or the extended edition.

[Knight of Gondor]

I like that picture of Sam!<P>Since we've already heard Billy sing, we needn't again, if you ask me...

[Knight of Gondor]

As my duty, I just found a few potential new spoilers for RotK, as it relates to the corresponding game to be released.<P>----I work for *snip* and yesterday I got the opportunity to watch a friend playing The Paths of the Dead-level of the upcoming EA ROTK game. It looked great, and the king of the Dead was quite scary indeed, as Aragorn battled him in a giant cave inside the mountain, a cave "where the dead gather", according to one of Legolas' lines.<P>However, the main reason I'm writing you is that I got a sneak peek at some press information that said that the magazine was not allowed to publish screenshots of these bosses: The King of the dead, Shelob, The Witchking and Sauron's Lieutenant. I guess this means that a beefed up Mouth of Sauron will be the end of game boss, as well as "the big thing" Aragorn is rumoured to be fighting outside the black gates.<P>I have visited your great site every day for more than three years, and I do hope that this information is valuable to you. <BR>---------<P>This sounds like Aragorn will have to subdue the King of the Dead? Is THIS who Legolas was referring to when he said "He is coming"? And it sounds like Aragorn will be fighting the Mouth of Sauron in the end. But I'd think Aragorn could whip that dude's scaley hide! He was only a rebel Numenorian, right?

[Maéglin]

Subdue the king of the dead... jeez i hope its only to hype up the action in the game, not the movie. And knight of gondor how many Numenoreans do you know that have lived thousands of years He's probably had a lot of time to practice hehe jk.<P>Hopefully the statements in that article are just going to be for the game although I can imagine the Mouth of Sauron going Hulk and thumping Aragorn

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And knight of gondor how many Numenoreans do you know that have lived thousands of years He's probably had a lot of time to practice hehe<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Seems like there was a discussion hanging around here about whether he really was Numenorian, and if he was, how could he have been alive so long? I thought the book said it was pretty sure that's who he was.

[Knight of Gondor]

Old Knight has done it again! All he had to do was slide his mouse across his Gondorian mousepad to TheOneRing.net to find a few more spoilers...INCLUDING how Grima dies!!!!!!!!!!!<P>---<BR>Trivial Pursuit Questions:<BR>Q; Whose fortress is surrounded by a moat of lava?<BR>A: Sauron's<P>Q; What kind of creature is Theoden trapped beneath in his final moments of life?<BR>A: His horse<P>Q; What do Orcs cast over the walls during the seige of Minas Tirith to horrify the enemy?<BR>A: Heads of dead Gondorian Men<P>Q: Who kills Grima Wormtongue?<BR>A: Legolas<P>And remember folks, this Trivial Pursuit is based on the films, NOT the book.<BR>--------<P>So it IS Legolas! The rest we know. Though I hope those dead heads aren't going to be too bad...that just might garner the R rating PJ doesn't want.

[Meela]

The heads are in it??? Yessssssssss!!!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Q: Who kills Grima Wormtongue?<BR>A: Legolas<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nooooooooooo! All the other things sound great but why, WHY this? Aren't hobbits allowed to do anything?

[The Saucepan Man]

What a dreadful shame that the Trivia Game is based on what happens in the films rather than on what happens in the Books.<P>Imagine the frustration of playing a quiz game, where the answer to "Who kills Wormtongue?" is Legolas. <P>I'm a great fan of the films but, for me, this is going a step too far in legitimising the film story over the book story.

[HCIsland]

I agree Saucy. You have the different pieces, why couldn't one of them be the books?<P>Frankly, I have my doubts of this as a reliable source of spoilers. I can't imagine PJ saying, "I think I might do this a different way but damn, they're marketing the trivial pursuit game." Remember that shooting just ended and they are still editting. I saw on another board someone post that the game said one of Sam's children is named Frodo. This is undoubtably true, but doesn't seem likely to be something that will work it's way into the film.<P>This is a flash in the pan game, and they know it. Hasbro want to strike while the iron is hot and I doubt they would be all to concerned about accuracy. I also find it hard that three movies (even these three movies) can provide enough plot points to fill all the questions on those cards. I wonder if they'll go to the books for more, as long as they don't contradict the film.<P>Then again, maybe I'm in denial about Legolas shooting Grima. A rumour that has been around for a long time. I guess we'll have to wait and see.<P>H.C.

[Essex]

Using my detective (!!) techniques, I am proposing what happens regarding the witch king and the Denethor / pyre incidents.<P>The pyre scene will take place at another time (before or after) than the witch king at the gate episode. What I mean by this is that neither will have an effect on the other as they do in the book.<P>Clues:<P>The pyre scene was definitely filmed. We have proof of this from Ian McKellen’s tour of Rath Dinen with Quickbeam from theonering.net<P>We see a nazgul about to confront Gandalf, shadowfax <B>and Pippin</B> in the TT DVD ROTK preview.<P>We see a quick shot of Pippin holding Merry on the field of battle in the TT DVD ROTK preview. Merry looks like he’s in pain or distraught (or both). Look closely behind them. That is definitely Gandalf. Look (very) closely on bottom right part of the screen. Is that part of a horse’s body?<P>We have news from the lotr trivial pursuits game that Theoden dies under snowmane’s body.<P>Therefore I surmise:<P>Gandalf confronts the witch king at the gate.<P>The horns of the rohirrim are sounded<P>The Witch King flies away to join the battle<P>Gandalf and Pippin follow on Shadowfax (but are not as fast)<P>The WK confronts theoden, eoywn and merry as in the book.<P>Theoden dies under snowmane<P>Merry and Eowyn confront and kill the witch king<P>Gandalf and Pippin arrive to see this scene, but not in time to assist<P>Pippin holds Merry in his arms whilst Gandalf confronts the enemy to protect them<P>And as said earlier, the pyre scene may come before or after this.<P><BR>A couple of things that might go against this:<P>It MIGHT not be the pellenor fields that we see pippin holding merry, but I would hazard a guess that it IS<P>We do not see Pippin wearing a helmet when he is on shadowfax with Gandalf. I suppose he could be holding it....<P>It might not be the witch king at the gate, but I find this hard to believe. People are mentioning that you cannot see his helmet as shown on thelordoftherings.net. why do we need to see this? It might be revealed straight after this, i.e. the witch king can move back his hood and reveal himself to Gandalf.<P><BR>What do you all think? <P><BR>

[Knight of Gondor]

I'm surprised my loyal Spoiler Spies haven't reported this for this rumors and spoilers thread. (I'm talking about YOU!)<P><UL TYPE=SQUARE>1. A Storm is Coming <BR>2. Hope and Memory <BR>3. Minas Tirith (featuring Ben del Maestrol) <BR>4. The White Tree <BR>5. The Steward of Gondor (featuring Billy Boyd) <BR>6. Minas Morgul <BR>7. The Ride of The Rohirrim <BR>8. Twilight And Shadow (featuring Renee Fleming) <BR>9. Cirith Ungol <BR>10. Anduril <BR>11. Shelob's Lair <BR>12. Ash and Smoke <BR>13. The Fields of The Pelennor <BR>14. Hope Fails <BR>15. The Black Gate Opens (featuring Sir James Galway) <BR>16. The End of All Things (featuring Renee Fleming) <BR>17. The Return of the King (featuring Galway, Mortensen, Fleming) <BR>18. The Grey Havens (featuring Sir James Galway) <BR>19. Into The West (performed by Annie Lennox) <P></UL><P>So we're sure that, not only does Billy Boyd do that solo, but it's on the SOUNDTRACK!<P>What do you guys think of those other tracks? I think Into the West is going to be the most emotion-evoking track ever. Kind of like the "resolution" tune in the end of the FotR soundtrack, when Sam chases after Frodo in the boat, only with more sadness and yet finality. *Wipes a tear* I can't wait.

[Salix]

I think that the Into the West is more like the Gollum's Song of ROTK, as in it's the song with lyrics being sung during the credits.

[andreadawn]

Re; Knight Of Gondor's spoiler about Annie Lennox doing a song on the soundtrack. I sure hope it isn't a "pop" song. That would go against the whole musical atmosphere of the soundtracks. (personally, I thought "Gollum's Song" was too out of character with the rest of the soundtrack from TTT)<P>[ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: andreadawn ]<p>[ October 25, 2003: Message edited by: andreadawn ]

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Must...have...preciousss...gollum! So can't wate the soundtrack. The names of the tracks sound great though I'm a bit suspicious concerning Annie Lennox and Mortensen with no offence. I hope the Mordor parts don't sound same like in the Towers cd and the whole Soundtrack will be better than one could even imagine!

[HCIsland]

Gotta disagree Essex (oh, you all know this was coming ). I think it's much closer to the book.<P>-Denethor orders Faramir's body to the tombs and to gather wood. Pippin goes in search of Gandalf.<P>-Gandalf confronts the Witch King at the gates.<P>-The Rohirrim arrive and the Witch King goes to rally the troops.<P>-Pippin finds Gandalf and they race up to save Faramir.<P>-The Witch King confronts Theoden and Theoden is crushed under his horse.<P>-Gandalf and Pippin are confronted by another Nazgul. I'm sure we will also get shots of Denethor's BBQ preparations. Oh my God, will they make it in time. <P>-Eowyn and Merry confront the Witch King.<P>-Gandalf and Pippin deal with the other Nazgul.<P>-Witch King is defeated.<P>-Gandalf and Pippin confront Denethor at the tombs, as in the book.<P>-Eomer discovers the body of Theoden (emotional death scene) and then the body of Eowyn and races off.<P>-Gandalf and Pippin arrive on the scene and Pippin discovers Merry.<P>H.C.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Hmm, I wonder what PJ will have done with that bait-setting as a final battle? (I mean the bit where they try to distract the Eye of Sauron...but you knew that already, right?) There was only one mention of it in the trailer. I really hope they get that feeling of utter hopelessness and selflessness in it...<BR>The soundtrack sounds great...only I can't stand Annie Lennox. Her songs are soooo repetitive! And they are played too often on the radio (BBC Radio 2 at least) whenever she does a new one. But I can't wait for Billy's solo!!!!<BR>I have pretty much accepted that Legolas kills Wormie. After all, Orlando did say that Leggy has a few more tricks up his sleeve...although hang on, wasn't that the Oliphaunt thing?? Maybe there'll be both?! Ooh and what did PJ just win? I forgot. I know Orlando got best breakthrough award at the Hollywood Awards Gala, but didn't PJ get something at the awards in New York or something? And Orlando accepted for him. Oops that was slightly off topic...<P>Just watched a video on the Pelennor Fields (I bet the Palantíri will not be included at all.). It looks amazing. And morbid as this sounds, I really can't wait to see the heads go flying. Somehow the thought does not make me squeamish. Dissecting a kidney didn't either. Hmm, I am a weird girl, aren't I? Oh, but this whole film is going to be so sad!!! I hope it makes me cry, no film has done since the Lion King!

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I bet the Palantíri will not be included at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm 99% sure they will be there. It sure seems Sauron thinks Pippin has the Ring and how else would he get the idea except from the palantir. I even noticed in Towers how it is placed in the room behind the balcony where Saruman and Wormy view the troops from.<P>I can't imagine how Denethor's ensnarement through the palantir of Minas Tirith will not be presented. It's such an integral part of understanding this character. I've read that Aragorn will not be looking into the palantir until after Pelennor Fields which makes some sense. It more closely connects cause and effect. Also the danger of it will be very apparent after tje audience sees how Denethor ends up.<P>H.C.

[Gorwingel]

The Palantir will most definitely be there. TheOneRing.net just posted these pictures from the Dutch version of the ROTK photo guide, and as you will see there are two photos of Pippin and the Palantir and one of Aragorn with it...<BR>Take a look!<BR><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1056" TARGET=_blank>TheOneRing.net</A><BR>Additonally this photo group also includes photos of Denethor's pyre and photos of Sam and Frodo on Mount Doom, and in orc wear.<BR>

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Excellent, those pictures are wonderful!!!<BR>The only reason I didn't think the palantíri would be in there is because the Nazgul has seen Frodo holding the Ring in Osgiliath. He would presumably have reported this to Sauron. Why then would Sauron belive that the Ring-bearer was being held captive by Saruman? Although looking at the pictures, it appears that the palantír incident will be at Rohan. But still, it will be Saruman's palantír. It wouldn't make any sense to Sauron if the Ring suddenly moved from Osgiliath to Edoras, would it? Sauron would have assumed the Ring was going to Minas Tirith. Oh well, I'm confusing myself now!

[Essex]

that's the one biggest question jackson has got from TT. ie the nazgul 'sees' frodo with the ring. as we've seen in the tt ee preivewof rotk, jackson states that sauron thinks pippin's got the ring....hmm? how is he going to pull that one off?<P>I used to think that the nazgul can only see the ring when it is put on, but looking again at frodo on weathertop, when he TOOK OUT the ring to put it on, a nazgul turned his head sharply and looked directly at him.<P>confused.........

[Meela]

They could have made a better pyre... it looks like a haycart.

[Essex]

it looks like the picture's prove that pippin will not confront sauron in the palantir until they get back to edoras.<P>although how jackson's gandalf holds onto the palantir I'm not sure. just touching the seeing stone seems to put him in contact with sauron. Surely a little bit of cloth can't protect gandalf from the all seeing eye?????????

[HCIsland]

That's obviously the gist of it.<P>Since none of us have taken Using Palantiri-101 I don't see why this should be considered an error. Gandalf handles the palantir in the book as well. I think he folds it within his cloak.<P>H.C.

[Essex]

yeah I know he does in the book, but what I'm saying is how he can do it in the film, seeing Jackson's change to him seeing the 'eye' when he touches it?<P>not a mishtake, surely?<p>[ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: Essex ]

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Wasn't that the One Ring that made him see the Eye? Anyway, I suppose Gandalf would be capable of picking it up using some material between him and it as a kind of barrier.

[HCIsland]

There was a glimps of the Eye when Gandalf put the cloth over the palantir in Fellowship, but I always took that as Gandalf simply sensing the taint of Sauron as opposed to making direct contact. I have little doubt Gandalf would continue to sense that while he was carrying the palantir. I'm sure it was uncomfortable for him to do so, but that's a long way from Sauron knowing Gandalf is dialing in.<P>H.C.

[HCIsland]

Notice Pippin in the forground of this picture.<P><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1056/view/9175" TARGET=_blank>Denethor's Pyre</A><P>Lending credence that this will be more like the book than not.<P>H.C.

[Knight of Gondor]

Did anyone notice me in this picture? <P>Well, okay, so it's not me, but it's one of my friends! We're Knights of Gondor, don't you know.

[HCIsland]

Man, this is going to be an emotional wreck.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "I saw a rough cut of the sequence," Lesnie says, "with all the bluescreens in the shots, and it was still a staggeringly moving sequence... you're cutting back and forth between the four hobbits and Galadriel, and everyone is standing on the jetty next to the Elven boat that's going to sail away. <B>Bilbo's gone and Gandalf says goodbye, and they summon Frodo, and then the other three hobbits suddenly realize Frodo is going as well...</B>" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1068607918" TARGET=_blank>Link</A><P>They are going to sand-bag the audience. Make them think that it's only Gandalf, Bilbo and the Elves going and then hit them with Frodo. <P>This is will be great though theatre owners should likely be handing out tissue at the doors going in.<P>H.C.

[Ainaserkewen]

Oh wow...that's pretty awesome, the way they play with the ignorant audience. Though I must admit that I'll probably be just as excited when that part comes.

[Finwe]

I'll probably hide Kleenex boxes in my ratty, black leather, "Aragorn" bag, when I go to see RotK. I can really see PJ sand-bagging the audience with Frodo leaving for the West. As it is, I cried like a baby while reading it in the book. I'm going to be bawling uncontrollably while watching it!

[Eowyn:Lady of Rohan]

I saw the preview on the computer. Anyway, I heard that Arwen is to reforge Narsil to Anduril. I hope that they don't cut out the Eowyn/Faramir part. As for Aragorn fighting Sauron, I don't think it's Sauron, but the person for him in physical form. We'll just have to see.

[HCIsland]

Just to be clear, Arwen is not reforging Narsil in those shots in the trailer. Other shots of the scene show they are just anonymous elves.<P>H.C.

[Knight of Gondor]

I picked up the RotK photo guide today, and learned a few new things about the movie. First of all, when Aragorn looks in the Palantir, Sauron shows him Arwen, pale and dead, the future foretold if Aragorn wins the battle. The visual companion said that the Evenstar pendant shattered. (?)<P>Another thing about Arwen is that she is ill in Rivendell, and in despair about the war, thinking Sauron will win after all. This must be where she is lying in bed, and Elrond says "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you any more."

[Rose Cotton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What if Theoden says to Wormtongue at the Orthanc, "you were not responsible for what you did, I forgive you, etc. You do not have to stay with Saruman, etc." And then Saruman's eyes light up and he reveals that Grima killed Theodred. Grima flies into a rage and does the deed, whether it be by pushing or stabbing Saruman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree that they should just take Wormtounge and Sauruman's death from the books and tweek it so it fits Isengard.<P>If I was doing the ending this is what it would be like:<P>Right after the end of the final battle/mt. doom scene we see Sam and Frodo waking up to a be greated by Legolas, Gimli, and Merry. After a bit of conversation Frodo or Sam asks where Pippin is. At that moment Pippin comes (this is to make the audience think for a moment that Pippin died when he was squashed by that troll). <P>There is a scene where the Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn storyline comes to a close. Elrond exepts Arwen's choice to stay and aknoleges Aragorn as a true King. <P>Then there would be Aragorn's ceremony in which we can clearly see Eowyn and Faramir together (their meetings at the Houses of Healing would have been shown before)This would also be when Legolas, Gimli, Aragorn and others will say their farewells to the hobbits and Gandalf.<P>Cut to them walking back to the Shire. I'm actually now sure what I would have them do once they reach the Shire so I'll skip right to the Grey Havens.<P>At the Grey Havens I would put tons of refrences to book things like Bilbo being the oldest hobbit, his wishing he could see his old ring again and many other funny Bilbo parts. Frodo and Sam have a last discussion where Sam urges Frodo not to go and how he wish he wasn't so divided between him and Rosie. Frodo replies to this with telling Sam that he dosn't have to be divided any more. Some more mushy stuff and then only the three hobbits are left.<P>As they travel home there is a voiceover. It talks about what happens to the felloship with little clips of everyone. Finally as the voiceover ends we see Sam walking alone into Bag End. Then he says "Well, I'm back." <P>Then I would add one more line which I wish Tolkien had added after Sam's line.<BR>The voice from the voiceover would say:<P>"And they lived happily ever after, to the end of their days."

[Knight of Gondor]

I heard something about a party they have in the Shire. Can you see Gandalf the WHITE dancing like Gandalf the Grey did? Not me. But I would think they would be a little more complete about the ending, not just concentrating on the hobbits.

[HCIsland]

Gandalf doesn't return to the Shire in the books, so I strongly suspect he isn't there. I've heard of the party as well and suspect it will be a device to show the change over Frodo. It may echo nicely with the party at the beginning of Fellowship where Frodo was in the middle of it having fun. Here I suspect he will be withdrawn.<P>Personally, I really hope they don't spend a lot of time (if any) wrapping up the stories of the other members of the Fellowship. The ending should be about the Hobbits, and in particular about Frodo.<P>H.C.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

As for wrapping up other characters' storylines...I suppose it depends on how affected PJ has been by the Leggyboppers' response...though I doubt he would do more Leggy stuff especially for them... <BR>I really want to see this movie NOW!!!!!!!! I wonder if it will make me cry??? If so, it will be the first time since the Lion King... <BR>But I must say, I haven't heard about the party. Where did you hear about that?

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Q: Who kills Grima Wormtongue?<BR>A: Legolas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Awwww... I wanted it to be that random Rohirrim!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Re; Knight Of Gondor's spoiler about Annie Lennox doing a song on the soundtrack. I sure hope it isn't a "pop" song. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It would be great if it is something like the beginning of Pavement Cracks, same sort of sad sound. I think it could be very good.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hmm, I am a weird girl, aren't I? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No weirder than me! I also want to see that part. I have quite a morbid streak.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This is will be great though theatre owners should likely be handing out tissue at the doors going in. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Or maybe they'll just put a drain in the floor of the theatre to prevent flooding. <BR>I think I shall need at least two full boxes of kleenex. *sniff*

[Aethelwine]

Hello you all!<P>I hope this hasn't been posted before, but I didn't see it.<P>My mom used her Sherlock Holmes-senses again, and after some research she came to the following conclusion: Eomer is going to die in ROTK.<P>...<P>Wait, wait, don't kill me! This is how she came to it: first she read a review about the 20 minutes preview of ROTK (<A HREF="http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16302" TARGET=_blank>here</A>). In it, the writer says:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and what appeared to be the unexpected death of a character that, to the best of my knowledge, is much different from his fate in the book (though I’ll allow that it’s been a while since I read it). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmmmm, an unexpected death of a character that isn't supposed to die?<P>Then, a while later, we read an intervieuw with Karl Urban (for all you dummies, <A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/index_editorials_karl_interview.html" TARGET=_blank>it's here</A>) it say's:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The stakes are raised. Eomer goes from just protecting and serving the people of Rohan to protecting and serving the people of Middle-earth. He's faced with making the ultimate sacrifice--<B>his life and the lives of his men</B>--to ensure the survival of future generations.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, my mom did the maths (if you can say it that way...), and came to the conclusion that our dear and beloved Eomer dies! I hope she's wrong...<P>Namarie!<P>Aethelwine.<p>[ November 16, 2003: Message edited by: Aethelwine ]

[HCIsland]

I think you are wrong. The first quote is easily explained by someone who's memory of the book is faulty (as he admits himself). As for the Urban quote, he does sacrifice a lot, his uncle and (he thinks) his sister.<P>H.C.

[Danni]

Hi! I'm danni and i'm a newbie. Does anybody know if there are previews of rotk in ireland b4 the 17th?

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Q: Who kills Grima Wormtongue?<BR>A: Legolas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002423&p=1" TARGET=_blank>It would now seem that no one kills Wormtongue (or indeed Saruman) in the theatrical release.</A>

[Aethelwine]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think you are wrong. The first quote is easily explained by someone who's memory of the book is faulty (as he admits himself). As for the Urban quote, he does sacrifice a lot, his uncle and (he thinks) his sister.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>All I can say is that I keep my fingers crossed, and I'm hopeing your right!<P>It really sucks that Grima and Saruman are taking from ROTK, doesn't it?<P>Navaer,<P>Aethelwine.

[Kalimac]

If Eomer dies, who becomes king after Theoden? (Having Theoden live and Eomer die seems...counterinstinctual. Out with new, and all that). Surely they wouldn't put Faramir there in a gross act of kingdom-conflation, would they? He's a great guy, but he's not one of the Rohirrim, to say the least. Even though he does marry Eowyn. ("No longer do I desire to be a Queen...oh, wait.")<P>All right, I'll stop scaring myself. But I hope it's not Eomer - hopefully the death referred to was Saruman's, which seems to have become ROTK's hot potato. He has to die at some point or another, so, to quote Jane Austen, it does not much signify when. At least, it doesn't signify so much as Eomer's death would!

[The Saucepan Man]

ToRN has a link <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1154" TARGET=_blank>here</A> to some great images from the film, which are from some card game or other. Many of them are completely new to me.<P>Given the reference to <B>King</B> Denethor, the comments on them are not totally reliable. But it is interesting to see the reference to Dunharrow. It seems that there will be an encampment here prior to the Muster of Rohan and it also looks (from the similarity of the tents) that this is where Elrond gives Anduril to Aragorn.<P>Nice picture of the Witch-King wielding a sword. I wonder where this takes place, as it doesn't look to be on the Pelennor. And it doesn't look like the confrontation with Gandalf either, as a later picture has that as being the scene where Gandalf and Pippin on Shadowfax are confronted by a Black Rider on a Fell Beast rising above the City Wall.<P>There are some great pictures of Pippion and Gandalf in and around Minas Tirith, including ones of Pippin lighting the beacon and Gandalf rescuing Faramir, neither of which I had seen before.<P>And another new one on me is the shot of Frodo as "Gorbag's prey", presumably in the Tower of Cirith Ungol. One for the ladies (well the Elijah fans anyway), I think. <P>Any other thoughts on these images?

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And another new one on me is the shot of Frodo as "Gorbag's prey", presumably in the Tower of Cirith Ungol. One for the ladies (well the Elijah fans anyway), I think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh my gosh!!! that picture, I was wondering about how they were going to show that scene. Poor guy, every time I see a photo like this I just feel more and more sorry for the poor charater.<P>Cool photos! But if anyone has not seen them they are extremely spoilerific <P>But not a single photo from the ending of the story. That is one part they are really keeping under wraps (which is really good, because I do want that part to be a surprise)