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Old 10-27-2002, 11:44 AM   #7
Aiwendil
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This part follows that of FG-TG-01 and I wanted to know if it has been deleted or altered. Why would Turgon bade Tuor to dwell in Gondolin, according to the Law of the King, no one was allowed to leave it once they entered Gondolin.
I would remove the reference to dwell in Gondolin and leave only the reference that he dwelt with him in the royals halls.
I don't see a problem with this passage. I see what you're saying: it seems a bit redundant for Turgon to ask Tuor to live in Gondolin when Tuor has to live in Gondolin anyway. Nonetheless, I would keep it. Note a few things:

1. It shows Turgon being polite and respectful to Tuor. Even though Tuor can't now leave, Turgon is doing the amicable thing in asking him to stay rather than ordering it. (Actually, "bidding" is somewhere in between the two, I think.)

2. The words "in favour". Perhaps if Tuor refuses, Turgon will order him to stay; Tuor would be a prisoner of sorts. However, Turgon asks him to remain "in favour" instead.

3. It's fairly obvious that Tuor is not going choose to leave Gondolin. He has absolutely no reason to. His life-long dream has been to find it and live there. So there's no harm in Turgon's requesting that he stay.

4. Turgon did allow Hurin and Huor to leave, though it was bending the law to do so. I think there is a good chance he would have allowed Tuor to leave, if Tuor so chose.

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What exaclty are these engines of war: catapults or something like that and venomous fires? Magic elf fire. Venomous to who?
I don't think this really matters. The text simply says "siege engines" and I see no need for us to look further into it than that. I would speculate that they are catapults, though they could be more along the lines of the trebuchet. The only other siege engines mentioned in the mythology, as far as I can recall, are the catapults and battering ram used by the Orcs at the Pelennor Fields. The Elves of Gondolin may have had more sophisticated engines, though.
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