[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Nessiastar: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think the ring should have been given to Sam <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Frodo got the ring in the books and the movie is based on the books. That's why Frodo got it and not Sam. Have you read the books? If you haven't, you should, they're great. If Sam got the ring, then the amount of anger and frustration over unnecessary changes would be a lot greater. <P>Ringfenwen: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If you don't make a movie for the fans, whom do you make it for?<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Tell me, if there really were not a lot of fans out there, do you think PJ woiuld be allowed 850 million$ to make the movie. PJ got so much funding because the people/companies who gave the funding knew that already there are so many fans out there and allowing PJ to go all out in making this movie is no problem because at least half the fans will like/love it. If there were no fans or not a lot, he'd still be able make the movie but there's no way he'd get that funding. Those people wouldn't know if the movie will earn back even close to as much as PJ got. It's us fans. Without our third-party support, PJ would never have been able to make it. And if he did, with the low funding he would have, it wouldn't be that great at all. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I may not be a huge fan of the books (yet ) but that does not mean that I should suffer as a audience member because of the fanaticism shown by some to the absolute faithfulness to JRRT's books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How should you suffer? I do not want to deprive anyone of Tolkien's works. Everyone should have their experience. But you would not suffer. If PJ did the job he should have, then watching the movie would be like reading the book. You would have nothing to worry about. You wouldn't be deprived of anything at all. In fact the movie would be better and most everyone would be happy. And I'll say it again. You, as an audience member, and any other, would not suffer. So calm down because you have nothing to worry about. If it turned out the way most of us wished it to, then no one would suffer at all. And if you still think you would, then what are you complainimg about? It's done and we can't change it. You have nothing to worry about. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The plot would have to be changed somewhat so that it could be shown visually, if pj had tried to incorporate every detail of the books each movie would probably have ended up about 9 hours long, it just isn't practical.<P>It is ridiculous to believe that a film can ever provide the same levels of characterisation as a book, it's just not possible, this has been proven throughout the life of cinema.<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It can't provide the same levels of characterisation as the book. But no one thought it could. No one went into the theaters thinking it would be the same. We knew some stuff would be changed, but what we were thinking and hoping for was that it would stay relatively close to the books. But our hopes were shattered. Some people's favorite parts/characters were deformed and twisted in a friekishly manner or just simply left out. Now, in FotR, the left out my favorite part in any of Tolkien's works. They left out the Old Forest, Tom Bombadil, and especially the Barrow Downs. Now PJ said that he would stick as closely to the book as possible and not make any unnecessary changes. He said he had to cut out parts that didn't necessarily pertain to Frodo or the quest of the ring. So as mad as I was, I could understand. But what about Arwen? That was an unnecessary change, but I could let it go. But look at it now! PJ just butchered the poor thing. Arwen who wan't even mentioned in TTT got more screenplay than Eomer. Poor, poor Turoch, and I'm sure many others feel teh same way. And what about Faramir? Just look what they did to him.<P>You see this is what us fans are aggrivated at. The unnecessary changes PJ made. PJ looks to me like a power monger now. He abused his power and broke his promise, and besides that, he broke our hearts. And he better watch out, especially for his body, because it seems like hearts and promises aren't the only things that will be broken. I'm not going to do anything like that but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. So, we were just not expecting those changes. PJ promised us to stick a lot closer to the books and he could have. That's what we're mad at, and that's what we were hoping for. Not exactly like the books, but a lot closer. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And I found the suggestion that the films are purely for fans of the books downright insulting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, no one said they were made purely for the fans. We said they were, but not entirely. It was <I>mainly</I> for the fans. And it was also for the $$$ and to introduce people to LotR and Tolkien. I know you must be angry, but just calm down and think about it. Don't worry because you have nothing to worry about. And we're not suggesting that those people are of no importance. We're not trying to have our posts be insluting. Most of us I'm sure were angry like you when we put our posts up, sorry if it seemed insulting. <p>[ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]