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Old 04-19-2006, 04:18 PM   #3
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=Aiwendil It is not just Arda Unmarred, Arda Hasteina, to which the Elves look forward; it is Arda Healed, Arda Envinyanta.
I take the point, but this begs another question - was Eru's original vision - Arda Unmarred - 'Perfect'? If it can be surpassed by Arda Envinyanta, then it was imperfect, but how could Eru's vision be less than perfect, given it is Eru's vision? If it can then this implies that Eru's thought can evolve, be improved upon by the actions of created beings. Unless Eru already had Arda Envinyanta in His thought from the beginning - in which case why not just make the final version without all the messing around?

Or to extend this to the Biblical story - did God already have the Redeemed world in mind before the Fall? If so, why get mad at Adam & Eve?
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