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Okay, so I decided to analyze Tum. I'm trying something where, if I can find someone else saying the same thing a few posts ago, I post that, too.

Note: After being informed that I had 27 images in my post, I just disabled smilies. Too much bother to try to go through and get rid of them. >.<

Originally Posted by autume98

If you find a purpose for day one other than what you mentioned you will have to share.

So far I got a whole lot of nothing.

She said this after quoting Foley:

Originally Posted by Folwren

Good glory, is there any purpose to this first day at all, besides bantering, teasing, and otherwise killing time?

And basically agreeing with her.

Originally Posted by autume98

That's true. Didn't think about that. At the time though it is quite confusing. :p

Edit: x-ed with Sally

She then quotes Nerwen:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Seriously, Fowlren, Day Ones are generally useful for analysis later on, if nothing else.

Also, with so many weird roles, things could get interesting even this early on.

And agrees with her.

Originally Posted by autume98

I second this! There has been some good discussion, but it also seem like there has been some dragged on discussion regarding the lovers.

I don't think the Seers should reveal. Obviously they should give some hints, confuse some wolves, and hopefully help out the town while they are at it.

I think I skipped over the Zeus comments so I'll have to go back and see if there is anything there.

She then quotes Nog:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay let's get into the bussiness of trying to tie the Day up for now - from my part that is.

And agrees with him. She also mentions an opinion on a widely-talked about topic and says she didn't catch the Boro-Zeus controversy.

Originally Posted by autume98

I think it'd be good for Eonwe to comment on this. I personally am leaning towards him being innocent at this point. However am going to be keeping my eye on him.

She then quotes Zil:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But if he's turned he can't be good. And if that was indeed a hint, he had to have known the wolves could pick up on it as easily as innocents.

And says she needs to keep an eye on him, but wants him to comment.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who got confused! :cool: And a cheat sheet chart sounds like a really good idea. I think I might have to make myself one too. :smokin:

She then quotes Mira (in the same post):

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Okay so three pages later, I'm pretty thoroughly confused (but what else is new) soo as per usual I'm just going to start talking.

I really don't see Boro's Zeus comment and Nerwen's Hades one as slips or hints of any kind. It's Day 1 of a Greek god themed game. There is nothing suspicious about working in banter, especially in the first few posts (which I think those were).

And now I shall go make myself a stupidly detailed cheatsheet chart of all the roles because that's what's been confusing me the most. I shall return!

And agrees with her about being confused.

Originally Posted by autume98

I was going to post the same thing. I'm so glad I made the list cause it made all this Zeus talk even more interesting. Is it just something to stir up the pot and add confusion?

Edit: xed with Lottie

She then quotes Mira:

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

I might be missing something here, but don't Zeus and Hera know who each other are? If that's the case then there's no reason for Borolover to be hinting to his counterpart.

And says she was going to post the same thing.

Originally Posted by autume98

Looks like so far I don't have much as far as suspicions. The people that have hit my radar so far toDay are:

Boro - There was all the Zeus talk around him. However he generally confuses me so it probably means nothing.

Lottie - That might just because I'm on her radar so it probably is just a knee-jerk reaction to that. However she's also is on Nog's radar and I tend to trust Nog.

Mac - I'm not sure about him. I really can't put my finger on it, but it also might be that once again I'm on his radar so it probably means nothing.

Eonwe - I'd like to know more about this statement:


Everyone else seems to be ok or hasn't said a lot so really don't have much to go on.

On another note I talked to Sally and she said she's having internet that seems to be working sporadically.

Edit: xed up to post 172

Her suspicions are two of the people most people talked about and the two people who talked about her.

Originally Posted by autume98

So this post got me thinking. Could this just be a hint that he's a lover? Maybe, maybe not. Which got me thinking more how all this talk about lovers would be a perfect opportunity for someone to slip in a hint to their lover.



So now I'm not the only one who has suspicions of Mac. I really am beginning to wonder if some hints are going on. Granted it would seem to be pretty obvious that he's giving a hint to a fellow lover if that's what he were doing. Anyone have any thoughts?

Edit: x-ed with Rikae, wilwa, and Nog

She quotes Mac:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Hephaistos, not Ares. In my opinion, though it's frustrating to be alone with it, he used the reference to Zeus simply to say "I am a lover". Since we only have three, that's not a bad hint.

And suggests that he might have been hinting as a lover. Actually, I think she was the first to come up with this theory, which looks much better for her.

Originally Posted by autume98

I was throwing that out as a possibility. I thought it might be a little too obvious on Mac's part which is why I asked for other's opinions. ;)

I didn't realize I had dismissed the idea the that Boro was hinting. I didn't really comment on it if that's what you mean. :confused: Since it's been brought up though I could see that yes it could be a hint coming from Boro. Yet I'm not convinced at all. I am pretty much on the fence with this one.

I have also been going through the posts to see if there are any hints that the lovers have thrown out. So far I haven't come across anything that stands out.

Edit: x-ed with wilwa, Nog, and Rikae

She quotes Rikae:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Tum, are you saying that Mac's suspicion of Boro being a lover is a hint that Mac is a lover?

Although there's something to the idea that people tend to talk about their own roles more than might be wise, I think that's a little bit of a reach, especially considering that you dismiss the idea that Boro's hinting - which, though I don't really buy it, is more plausible than that Mac is.

And backs away from her theory a little bit, but sticks with it - I must admit, this is a good sign.

Originally Posted by autume98

At this time I don't think the others are lovers. Mac's last line just jumped out at me making me think that maybe he was trying to hint that he is a lover as seen below.



Edit: x-ed since #206
I guess I didn't see it as dismissing it. But I addressed it in an earlier post so I won't do so here.

At this time Mac is most suspicous in my book.

Quotes Rikae:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Too obvious? No, I don't think so. Quite the opposite. Unless you mean something more specific than just the fact that Mac talked about Boro's potential hint (which Wilwa, Nerwen, Phantom, Nogrod, etc. etc. talked about before Mac, for that matter - are they all lovers, too?)


Well, saying that calling it a lover hint amounts to making a lover hint oneself is essentially dismissing it, unless you imagine that a lover-Mac would try to hint by outing what would essentially be an ally for possible lynching.

And takes what I think was a joke and makes it serious. She also labels Mac as her top suspect.

Originally Posted by autume98

I am definitely with you on this one. I also know that we definitely see each other as enemies right now. As much as I have my suspicions about you I'm not sure I'm willing to vote for you just yet. Maybe it's because I feel the same way about the BG votes. It'd be an easy lynch and I don't agree with that.

Edit: x-ed with BG, Rikae, and Nerwen

Quotes Mac:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that. :rolleyes:

And agrees. She says that not only is he her top suspect, but that she doesn't want to vote for him.

Originally Posted by autume98

It was this line:


Edit: Changed coding

Quotes Rikae about Mac:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, so Tum, do you mean the "it's frustrating to be alone with it" bit or the "I am a lover" bit? Or something else?




Silly. I always defend you - even when we're not on the same side. You know that. :Merisu:

And explains herself - in a very confusing manner, I must sau...

Originally Posted by autume98

I know there are rules about editing posts. So quick question, anyone here know if I can fix the quote since it shows: [quote ] [ /quote] I can't believe I forgot to preview my post before I hit Submit Reply. :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance!

Mentions coding difficulties. No problems there.

Originally Posted by autume98

As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Edit: x-ed with up to #231

Mentions that Wilwa's BeiGei vote made her wonder, and agrees about Zil.

Originally Posted by autume98

I want to touch on a few of the items you mentioned. For the most part I agree with your innocent list. I say most part instead of all because I'm not in your innocent list. ;)

I know I've played with Nienna but can't seem to remember how she plays. However as you pointed out she's a BG voter. I think some of the people who have voted for BG have been throwing their votes away.

Not sure what you meant by this: Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)

I think you make a good point about Keeper. Maybe something to look at.

As you pointed out Inzil is a BG voter.

And I wanted to touch on Nerwen. To me her comment seemed innocent, and I didn't see her defending herself as being tense.

Edit: x-ed with up to post #237

Quotes Mac:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

6 pages on Day1... and there's still two hours to go... I needs me a list.

Probably innocent
Rikae (argumentative plus defending me when I'm misunderstood, that's innocent-Rikae)

Fine with me
Kath (hasn't said much, but what she said I liked - defending me is the way to my heart ;) )
Folwren (couldn't say anything bad about her)
Lalaith (simply no alarms)

Fine with me at the moment, but still wary
Wilwa (talks about roles too much, but since she helped planning, that's ok for now. Don't like her vote, though... really bad)
Nogrod (went on about Eonwe too much and followed Greenie with her suspicions of me, but otherwise fine, especially his vote)
Phantom (nothing bad to report yet, but you never know with him)

No clear opinion, but no alarms
BG (really don't get those votes, she's being herself perfectly)
Eonwe (I don't buy the cursed theory. If he is the cursed, he's aligned with good at this point and should behave that way. I don't think he would bend the rules like that)
Shasta
Sally

Somewhat suspicious
Lottie (vague bad feeling again)
Nienna (had a bad feeling about all her posts so far. Also: BG-voter)
Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)
Keepandir (just the vote. Annoyance might be cover for convenience)

High on my list, but not an aim toDay
Boro (I still think he made a hint, but I'll let it rest for now - don't come complaining to me when you feel his or his lover's fangs in your neck)

Baddie, baddie, bad, bad
Inzil (vague bad feeling from the beginning on; don't like the way he went after me; BG-voter)
Nerwen (I would have given her the benefit of the doubt with the hint-thing, but her behaviour around it now is suspicious. She dismissed it very casually and went after me instead, and now that Nogrod addressed it, she seemed very tense)
Autume (passive, going along with the crowd / after easy victims -type feeling, which, to her defense, is not out of character for her)

And agrees with him about three fifths of the comments she quoted.

Originally Posted by autume98

Now that just put a BIG smile on my face! :D In a strange way that really does make sense.



I hear you Nog! I keep thinking that I really do need to vote soon, but then this is just sooo interesting that I'm not ready to put my laptop away and call it a night. Not to mention I really need to look at who I want to vote for. Yet at this time I don't see any unity on the votes other than the ones for BG.

Quotes Mac and Nog:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me. ;)

[*highlight]++Nerwen[/highlight]

Says this makes sense and made her smile.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I seem to be trapped in a vicious circle... going to have a cigarette, going to brush my teeth... while leaving the computer on and just looking after every thing done if there is anything that is interesting... and of course there is... Gah!

Agrees fervently about being tired.

Originally Posted by autume98

Thought I'd share the vote count:

Foley -> Eonwe
Greenie -> Mac
Kath -> BG
Lalaith -> Boro
Inzil -> BG (2)
Nienna -> Eonwe (2)
Sally -> BG (3)
Nogrod -> Nerwen
Wilwa -> BG (4)
Keeper -> BG (5)
Rikae -> phantom
Mac -> Nerwen (2)
BG -> Inzil

I did notice that Keeper didn't give a reason.

Shares the vote count and throws out a potentially bad note about Mira.

Originally Posted by autume98

With that the vote for Inzil is up in the air. So my list may or may not include Inzil.

Edit: x-ed with Mod and Shasta

Quotes TP about her vote tally:

Originally Posted by the phantom

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

And seconds his question about BeiGei's vote.

Originally Posted by autume98

I think we should keep Eonwe around. If he turns then we can always lynch him the next day. Right?

Wants to keep Steve around. I didn't find a nearby relevant quote, but I do know that Nog and I (at least!) said this earlier.

Originally Posted by autume98

It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them.

The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG. :(

Protects Steve. As Steve was more innocent than BeiGei, this looks better than not.

Originally Posted by autume98

So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed.

[*highlight]++BG[/highlight]

Edit: x-ed with Nog and BG

Votes BeiGei. While I don't have a (huge) problem with her voting to protect Steve (I do still think it's weird, but...), I do have a problem with her "suspicion" of Mac without any actual attempts to lynch him to back it up.

Originally Posted by autume98

I haven't gone through all the thread yet, but I do want to post my reasoning for the reason I voted BG yesterday since I've noticed a few concerns.

The reason I didn't vote for Mac yesterday is simply because I wanted to keep Eonwe around for a little bit longer. At the time Eonwe was also being looked at being lynched. At the time specualation was that he may be Dionysis, and I wasn't ready to lynch him yesterDay. I felt like we should keep him around and in order to do that I had to vote for BG. If I would've had enough people on my side I would've voted for Mac.

Here she says that she protected him because she thought he was Dionysis. She gives her reason for not voting Mac because she wanted to protect Steve.

Originally Posted by autume98

Just want to make sure everyone saw my post. I noticed a couple of people had missed it. Look here to see my post explaining my vote.

Reminds people about her post.

Originally Posted by autume98

It looks like she did give a hint here:



Not sure if anyone picked up on the hint. I'll will have to go back and see.

Quotes Nerwen:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I hope so.:rolleyes:

Here's something to talk about, which I raised earlier: Blind Guardian did, I think, drop a hint about her role. I never picked it up until after she died, but it's possible Hephaestus was looking a bit harder.

It may be worth seeing if anyone seemed to be particularly protective of her. (Or to be hinting back, perhaps– though look where searching for hints has got us...)

And brings up the same basic point.

Originally Posted by autume98

So apparently I'm a little confused. I know shocker! :eek: I thought for some reason the Aphrodite had to do with wine. I looked it up and it has to do with Love and Beauty. So please ignore the above post. :rolleyes:

Edit: x-ed with tp and wilwa

Originally Posted by autume98

So after going over BG's posts again, this time looking for something to do with love and beauty. I came up with nothing. I don't see one iota of a hint that she tried to give her partner Hephaestus.

Originally Posted by autume98

So she did. I think I just made a fool of myself. :o I did not see anyone who responded to it so it doesn't help us find her partner.

All three of these are confusion with BeiGei's possible hints.

Originally Posted by autume98

I've been sitting here and skimming through the posts seeing if something would catch my eye. I went through the BG votes and I didn't really see anything suspicious there. So I thought I'd take a look at the Eonwe voters. And of course the one that really struck me was the vote from Boro.

I am interested in finding out what Eonwe's role is. I also took another look at his posts from yesterday. He did bring up quite a bit of Greek mythology in his posts yesterday. Another question to ask: Would Eonwe be so blatant as to say "Wolf!" in his first post?

She claims that she saw nothing suspicious in the BeiGei voters, despite having wondered about Wilwa's vote earlier. She also swaps positions on Steve overNight.

Originally Posted by autume98

First: What do you mean by suspecting submarines? I haven't heard this term before. :confused:



Well Mac wanted to actually go for a wolf. I was cool with that. We weren't getting anywhere by suspecting each other. So I left him alone. Besides I knew at this point there was no way I'd be able to lynch him.

Yes Eonwe only had 4 votes and BG had 5. And if I voted for Eonwe then they both would've had 5. So by voting for BG I was doing what I could to keep Eonwe yesterDay as I wanted BG gone more than I wanted Eonwe gone. Does that make sense?

Asks for clarification of game terminology and makes her very confusing argument. I still have trouble matching up "My main suspect wanted to wolf hunt, so I left him alone" and "I didn't vote for anyone I found suspicious because I wanted to protect an innocent."

Originally Posted by autume98

Thanks for the explanation! :cool:



I wasn't just thinking about my vote. I was thinking about the way others were probably going to vote too. By the time I put my vote in it was down to BG and Eonwe. BG had 5 and Eonwe had 4. I think there were four votes left. Don't quote me on that though. ;) So I'm thinking that there are still some votes that are going to vote for BG and some for Eonwe. So my vote is now who do I want around more: BG or Eonwe. I decided that I wanted Eonwe to stick around for one more day instead of BG. I wasn't voting for 1 in 20. I was voting for one or the other.

As for voting for someone who was innocent, I thought both of them were innocent. Yet one of them was going to be lynched. There wasn't anything I could do to stop one of them from being lynched. So I chose between the one that I wanted to have stick around.

And I still didn't like people going after BG. I'll stand by that. However by the time I voted there was nothing I could do to stop it. Now if Eonwe turns out to be a wolf then I know that will look REALLY bad. So I'm really hoping that Eonwe is someone good. I can see why you think my vote looks bad. I'm not sure what else I can tell you since everything I've said is the truth. I'll do my best to try and clarify things, however sometimes it seems my logic doesn't match up with everyone else's logic. :p

Edit: x-ed with Mac, Sally, and tp

I've responded to this post before, and I still find it strange.

Originally Posted by autume98

It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to save him so badly. I never said I wanted to save him really bad. I just wanted him here toDay more than my other choice. :cool:

So now I have to ask...why did you vote for BG? What made you suspect her so early on?

Now says that she didn't want to save him particularly badly. She also asks Zil for his reasoning behind his vote.

Originally Posted by autume98

I can see why you say that. The two I'd really like to hear about why they voted for BG are Wilwa and Mira. It doesn't look like I'll get an explanation from Wilwa tonight, and I'm not sure where Mira is.

No, it's not looking to good for Eonwe right now.

Is okay with Zil's vote now, but not so much with Wilwa's and Mira's - interesting, considering she'd said she found nothing suspicious with the BeiGei votes. She also quotes Zil:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I didn't like the way she kept dropping by and saying nothing. It looked to me as if she was just trying to seem as if she was participating without sticking her neck out. The only other one on my radar was Mac, and as I said yesterDay I didn't want to vote him on Day 1, since I couldn't tell if it was a real suspicion I had or just the general uneasy feeling he always seems to give me.

And it's not looking as though Eönwê's going to be here toMorrow.

And agrees with both paragraphs of his post.

Originally Posted by autume98

Classic! Can I just say I really like your vote. :D

I can totally see why you did it though. No one has jumped out at me as a wolf.

Quote Rikae:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nope, don't really buy the theory that Autume's a wolf.

Don't buy the theory that Mac's a wolf.

Definitely don't buy the theory that Steve is a wolf.

I, however, am the wolfiest wolf that ever howled at the moon, therefore:

[*highlight]++Rikae[/highlight]

Seriously, I really hope toMorrow we can focus a little attention into the dark corners of this village, instead of on the over-examined and probably innocent loudmouths - and I have a novel to finish, so tschüss.

And both praises her vote and agrees with her reasoning.

Originally Posted by autume98

Now that just cracked me up! :D

Quotes Mac:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

After those two votes, you probably deserve that, love. ;)

And is most amused by it.

Originally Posted by autume98

Maybe I haven't played with Nog enough yet. It seems as thought a few people have made comments about him acting strange. So I could be wrong about him.

As for Lottie, I haven't heard enough from her outside of her gunning for Mac and me. I think I'd like to know more about her reasoning and let her explain herself before I go after her.

Anyone else is pretty much fair game. I don't feel strongly about anyone at this point.

Edit: x-ed with both of tp's posts

Has no strong opinion on Nog, and strangely enough, no strong opinion on Mac either - and I don't think I saw her ever say she stopped suspecting him as her top suspect.

Originally Posted by autume98

Funny that you should mention Nienna. I had gone back through her posts earlier today and there wasn't much there. However that can be said of a few people at this time.

And I already covered thoughts about Lottie and Nog.

Edit: x-ed with Nerwen

Quotes TP:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Not anything strong. But there might be a couple I'd roll the dice on if you wanted to give them a try. One of the low-posters? Nienna maybe? I dunno. You said Lottie earlier- heck why not? And what do you think of Nog? Wait and see if he's right first, or push him to the brink?

(x-post Mac, who posted ANOTHER hint *makes note to guess Mac as Hades tonight*)

And pretty much agrees with him.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'd be willing to give Nienna a try too, and for some reason I'm not too keen on going after me either. :p

Edit: x-ed with Lottie

Quotes Mac:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'd rather give Nogrod the benefit of a good night's sleep. Nienna I'd be willing to try.

Nerwen mentioned Autume. I'm not so keen on that.

And agrees with him.

Originally Posted by autume98

Here's the post where I explain in more detail why I choose BG.

Edit: x-ed with Eonwe, tp, and Eonwe again

Responds to me with a link to her old post.

Originally Posted by autume98

By that time I was getting tired and wanted to go to bed and get some sleep. Yes I'm up later than I was yesterDay. However some nights I'm more tired than others. So I didn't stick around to see if someone else could get lynched.

edit: x-ed with tp, Mac, and tp

Finally mentions that she was going to bed, her most reasonable defense.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'd be willing to go for Nog.

Quotes Steve:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

How about Nog? And he's already got two votes...

edit: Forgot that DL was in half an hour *is relieved that he didn't miss vote*

And agrees, despite having no strong feelings about him before.

Originally Posted by autume98

And since I've got the time and you're here Nerwen. I know you have some concerns regarding me. So ask away and I'll answer your questions.

Asks for Nerwen to ask questions and she'll answer them.

Originally Posted by autume98

I mentioned it in my post when I voted for her.



Edit: x-ed with Rikae, Mod, and Rikae

Says that she mentioned her tiredness when she voted - which she did, in fact, do.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm thankful for the more time we had toDay, and then this idea hits me. Why not lynch someone else, and have the Hunter go after Eonwe. If he dies than we know he's a wolf. The big flaw we'd have to pull this all of in nine minutes, and the Hunter would have to see this post. So basically a bad plan this late toDay.:rolleyes:

Edit: x-ed w/several

Has a plan to lynch the Hunter and thus determine Steve's alignment.

Originally Posted by autume98

Thanks for clearing that up Lottie. So another reason that's a bad idea.

I'm going to vote for:

[*highlight]++Nog[/highlight]

Edit: x-ed with Nerwen

Votes Nog - a good idea.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'll have to address this toMorrow if I'm around.

Says that she'll answer Nerwen toMorrow - conviently after she could potentially get tips from her packmates. I might be grasping a straws here, though. Here's Nerwen's quoted post:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No new ground– just that you voted someone you believed innocent, when there was someone else you actually suspected. Now, toDay you explain this by saying it was clearly going to be either BG or Steve, and Steve was the one you wanted to save.

All right.

But you also seem more concerned about how you look than the rights or wrongs of the case:

Are you saying you're hoping Eonwe is lynched and turns out innocent? Because that's what it looks like you're saying.

And then, you seem to be latching on to everyone's suspicions.

EDIT:X'd with everybody. And now I'm running out of time again (slow internet!)

Tum, I would like to see you answer these.

~~~~~~

Originally Posted by Eönwë

NOOOOOOO!!! *Dies*

Now go and lynch Nogrod.

Words of wisdom from the mouths of mortals shall spring...

Pre-edit: I've xed since Nog's first post of the Day.

Real-edit: Whaaa? I didn't x? How utterly boring...