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drigel · 08-03-2004, 07:28 AM

- - Elrond quzzing his people - "Who among us is without temptation?"

If Glorfindel really was the ressurected 1st age elf, mabye that was the real reason he was brought back.

Mithalwen · 08-03-2004, 11:24 AM

This is a good point especially since, in one of his last writings on ME Tolkien concluded that Glorfindel WAS the same person as Glorfindel of Gondolin returned exceptionally, on release from Mandos, to middle Earth quite probably specifically to aid in the fight against Sauron.....

And such was the power of Glorfindel that there is no doubt that he could have taken it had he desired it when Frodo was so vulnerable ....

It seems to me, in Middle Earth as in our own world that some have more desire for power than others - Glorfindel, while being mighty and valiant seems to have this in common with Elrond and Faramir that he did not desire power on his own account...

luthien-elvenprincess · 08-03-2004, 07:30 PM

Encaitare, read the chapter entitled "The Siege of Gondor". Immediately following Faramir's telling Gandalf of seeing Frodo, is text revealing Denethor's knowledge of the ring. He was upset with Faramir for letting Frodo and the ring go to Mordor instead of Gondor. I can't resist just one quote from this chapter:

Quote:

For Boromir was loyal to me and no wizard's pupil. He would have remembered his father's need, and would not have squandered what fortune gave. He would have brought me a mighty gift.

(said Denethor)

Encaitare · 08-03-2004, 08:24 PM

::scurries off to get book, scurries back to computer, reads like mad::

Ah, thanks, Luthien. You removed some ignorance from the world just now

drigel · 08-04-2004, 07:50 AM

I agree with you Mithalwen. Having a part to play in that mission would indeed be a worthy reason for a return. If it was the 1st age character, I couldnt think of a better candidate for the handling. After all, the elf died, went to the Halls, and returned. That would surely alter ones perspective on power in the physical world!

Boromir88 · 08-04-2004, 09:14 AM

Glorfindel learned a lot from his death to his "rebirth." His views on Tom Bombadil, is only a conjecture, but it would be one that I would say to be "true." This is the "conjecture" I was talking about, so everyone can see what I mean,

Erestor suggested to send the ring to Bombadil. Here's what Glorfindel had to say...

Quote:

Lord of the Rings: Council of Elrond
"But in any case," said Glorfindel "to send the Ring to him would only postpone the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed, unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or lote the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bomadil will fall, Last as he was the First; and then Night will come."

This is all conjecture by Glorfindel, but in his death, he grew wiser and smarter, so I will take his word for it, and think it's fairly accurate in what he has to say. What I'm saying is I think we can trust whatever Glorfindel has to say (which isn't the case for everyone), but to keep us on track.

I think Glorfindel is a possibility, definately, he has the strength to resist the ring. However, this is the similar case made about Galadriel, being that Galadriel and Glorfindel are both Noldor, and would be tempted by the wealth and power. I would think for Glorfindel to "wield" the ring, he would fall to those temptations. He, has the strength to "see" it and to resist the evil, but to wield it would be far too dangerous, very similar to case made about Galadriel. Then we go back to Osse's point of changing the chain without touching the ring, so Glorfindel is a possibility like Elrond or Gandalf.

drigel · 08-04-2004, 09:23 AM

Succinct post, Boromir88! I agree, Glorfindel would, once he donned the ring, would fall under the same conditions as any other elf/mortal at the time. But I think that (still under the 1st ager premise) his passage back to ME would transcend him beyond the typical Noldor sterotypes that are implied on this thread. He's the guy who wouldnt get to that point of temptation in my book

08-03-2004, 11:24 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	This is a good point especially since, in one of his last writings on ME Tolkien concluded that Glorfindel WAS the same person as Glorfindel of Gondolin returned exceptionally, on release from Mandos, to middle Earth quite probably specifically to aid in the fight against Sauron..... And such was the power of Glorfindel that there is no doubt that he could have taken it had he desired it when Frodo was so vulnerable .... It seems to me, in Middle Earth as in our own world that some have more desire for power than others - Glorfindel, while being mighty and valiant seems to have this in common with Elrond and Faramir that he did not desire power on his own account... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

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08-03-2004, 07:28 AM	#1
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	- - Elrond quzzing his people - "Who among us is without temptation?" If Glorfindel really was the ressurected 1st age elf, mabye that was the real reason he was brought back.

08-03-2004, 08:24 PM	#4
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	::scurries off to get book, scurries back to computer, reads like mad:: Ah, thanks, Luthien. You removed some ignorance from the world just now

08-04-2004, 07:50 AM	#5
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	I agree with you Mithalwen. Having a part to play in that mission would indeed be a worthy reason for a return. If it was the 1st age character, I couldnt think of a better candidate for the handling. After all, the elf died, went to the Halls, and returned. That would surely alter ones perspective on power in the physical world!

08-04-2004, 09:23 AM	#7
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	Succinct post, Boromir88! I agree, Glorfindel would, once he donned the ring, would fall under the same conditions as any other elf/mortal at the time. But I think that (still under the 1st ager premise) his passage back to ME would transcend him beyond the typical Noldor sterotypes that are implied on this thread. He's the guy who wouldnt get to that point of temptation in my book