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Old 08-05-2004, 08:26 AM   #1
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I've got 2 actually. First is Boromir. The ring took hold of him, but he soon realized that what he'd done to Frodo, or tried to do, was wrong and could've put the entire Fellowship in jeopardy. His death bothers me, although I know he fought a good fight, with honor & pride ... defending the little ones until his death. I wish in some way that he'd still be alive, but I know his death also helped shape the story.

Secondly, I feel sorry for Gollum. I was truly hoping that he would take control over himself, be free from the ring, & stop deceiving Frodo & Sam. There are times when you believe he truly wants to do good, but the obsession with the ring takes over. It's sad to see someone in that shape ... to let something so evil have such a hold on them that they can't do anything about it.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:25 PM   #2
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Thanks, I would have to agree with all of them. Especially Morsul in the Dark about Sam. For all those reasons you mentioned but also because Sam does all that work and when they are almost at Mordor, he gets sent home by Frodo! And still he carries him on to mt doom! Well done Sam!
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Old 08-05-2004, 04:21 PM   #3
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hmmmmm i would say arwen because she has to give up her emmortal life and her family all for one man (okay she loved him but still one man) and it must have been such a hard desision to make and either way she would have had to make such a great sacrifice, either loose the man she loves or loose her family and emmortal life.
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Old 08-05-2004, 05:15 PM   #4
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I feel sorry for all the elves who suffered the long defeat. And for Frodo who couldn't enjoy the Shire he'd set out to save.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:14 PM   #5
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Yes. We notices how many likes the nassty, fat hobbit. But what about poor Smeagol, who only wants to please the nice hobbit and was about to really help him until the mean hobbit ruins it all!

"Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly put out a trembling hand , very cautiously he touched Frodo's knee-but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld
an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his
time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing. But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and
immediately Sam was wide awake. The first thing he saw was Gollum-'pawing at master', as he thought. 'Hey you!' he said roughly. 'What are you up to?'
'Nothing, nothing,' said Gollum softly. 'Nice Master!' "I daresay,' said Sam. 'But
where have you been to-sneaking off and sneaking back, you old villain?'
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:35 PM   #6
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Tuor, I think we need to show pity for Gollum, Gandalf points out in I believe "The shadow of the past," "The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of men." Which it obviously did, since Gollum is the hero of all middle-earth, without him losing his place and stumbling into the lava who knows what would have happened to the ring. So I think Gollum deserves a lot of pity.

For a movie character to pity, we definately have to give pity to Eomer. Heck PJ just basically tells Eomer, "ahh ya stand in the background there (puts Eomer behind a post) there thats perfect." Eomer gets credit for nothing, heck Theoden doesn't even name him king, they don't even explain the reason for Eomer becoming King. So for a movie character he is one we have to pity.

I might get booed for doing this but Otho Sackville-Baggins, poor old hobbit never got to see his lifetime dream of living in Bag End. Poor chap died before he could move into Bag End.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:57 PM   #7
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Not a bad point about the S-B's.
Really rather sad about the whole family, even the bitter-sweet final days of Lobelia, who, it turned, out, was a bit of a heroine, and did reconcile with the Bagginses.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:58 PM   #8
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Definitly Turin! It truly is a shakespear tragety! Also, Frodo a little. Being the only hobbit with 9 fingers...unless someone is born with a deficiency. I doubt it though
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