Who do you feel sorry for? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Neferchoirwen · 08-07-2004, 10:37 AM

Originally, I would have felt sorry for Sam, thinking him as a person who lost all his friends in a war, but that was bit off.

But I really feel sorry for Saruman. He wasted his wisdom and his power on a cause wasn't so worthy of a war. With that in mind, he was also tricked into thinking that he will gain power of middle earth, when in fact he was just being used, and his part of the power bargain will be entirely forgotten. The way he ended wasn't even worthy of an Istari.

Poor guy.

Isowen · 08-08-2004, 01:20 PM

Great! These are all great. I can't decide on who I agree with more. I feel the same way about all of them. Maybe pity has a lot to do with the fate of the ring?!

Iris Alantiel · 08-08-2004, 10:07 PM

Despite the fact that I think Sam is completely underappreciated at times (he probably would prefer it that way), I think the character I pity the most would have to be Faramir. Just try to imagine how terrible that would be, to always be treated as second-rate in spite of such fine characteristics as honesty, nobility, and bravery; to very nearly go to your death in an effort to serve someone who showed you little love at all; and to have your own father discover some kind of affection for you only at the very end of his life, causing him to go mad. And then on top of all that, he had the bad luck of falling in love with Eowyn while she was still attracted to Aragorn and, although that situation was happily resolved, it probably caused him some measure of suffering while it lasted.

Morsul the Dark · 08-08-2004, 11:39 PM

Sam and Faramir come to me as being quite alike

Both did great deeds yet were under appreciated until the end
and both lost their best friends or brothers boromir and Frodo

and certainly upon reading this thread hurin seems sadly pitiful

I do not gollum I do pity smeagal
.... I love and hate him as he hates and loves himself...

Gandalf as well
He nearly carried the entire weight of ME by himself being abandonned by his fellow Isatari...then he nearly played chess with his friends and allies to put your own friends at risk....think of the choice

08-07-2004, 10:37 AM	#1
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Sorry for Saruman Originally, I would have felt sorry for Sam, thinking him as a person who lost all his friends in a war, but that was bit off. But I really feel sorry for Saruman. He wasted his wisdom and his power on a cause wasn't so worthy of a war. With that in mind, he was also tricked into thinking that he will gain power of middle earth, when in fact he was just being used, and his part of the power bargain will be entirely forgotten. The way he ended wasn't even worthy of an Istari. Poor guy. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Neferchoirwen; 08-30-2004 at 02:14 AM. Reason: Grammar slippage

08-08-2004, 01:20 PM	#2
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	Wow! Great! These are all great. I can't decide on who I agree with more. I feel the same way about all of them. Maybe pity has a lot to do with the fate of the ring?! __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-08-2004, 10:07 PM	#3
Iris Alantiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 97	Despite the fact that I think Sam is completely underappreciated at times (he probably would prefer it that way), I think the character I pity the most would have to be Faramir. Just try to imagine how terrible that would be, to always be treated as second-rate in spite of such fine characteristics as honesty, nobility, and bravery; to very nearly go to your death in an effort to serve someone who showed you little love at all; and to have your own father discover some kind of affection for you only at the very end of his life, causing him to go mad. And then on top of all that, he had the bad luck of falling in love with Eowyn while she was still attracted to Aragorn and, although that situation was happily resolved, it probably caused him some measure of suffering while it lasted. __________________ Above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell. -- Samwise Gamgee

08-08-2004, 11:39 PM	#4
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Sam and Faramir come to me as being quite alike Both did great deeds yet were under appreciated until the end and both lost their best friends or brothers boromir and Frodo and certainly upon reading this thread hurin seems sadly pitiful I do not gollum I do pity smeagal .... I love and hate him as he hates and loves himself... Gandalf as well He nearly carried the entire weight of ME by himself being abandonned by his fellow Isatari...then he nearly played chess with his friends and allies to put your own friends at risk....think of the choice __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

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