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Haunting Spirit
Join Date: Jul 2004
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On the subject on how many were actual ring bearers, maybe the nine come in as the six bearers of the ring of power (Sauron, Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam) plus the three bearers of the Elven rings(Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf)
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Alive without breath
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla
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Dûrbelethwen, with that theory, are we not forgetting Cirdan?
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Bittersweet Symphony
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise
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And Gil-Galad as well.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls.
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I don't know if it's been covered already, but I honestly think it was Elrond who changed the chain.
While he was healing Frodo, personally, he would have been undressing Frodo, and I doubt he would leave such an heirloom and menace in the pocket of Frodo's overcoat where it could actually if it felt like it, fall out haphazardly, roll down the floor and by some chance of luck, off a cliff into the Bruinen, to be washed down to the Ringwraiths as they collected themselves on the banks miles down, without clothes. My point being, it couldn't be trusted to just be left in the pocket, and I doubt he would burden / trust (use these terms lightly, we all know the formalities and tricks that the ring requires people to take into account) any other elf with moving it, or touching it, or handling it in any way. He knew the best place for it was around Frodo's neck, where it couldn't make an exit, tricky thing. While it's possible as he switched it, he had a Galadriel like test of whether he should take it or not, I doubt it. For starters, Elrond wanted the thing destroyed, he had for thousands of years, ever since Isildur got a hold of it. Second, Gandalf would likely have been there with him. There's strength in numbers, and reasoning too. Especially since they both had Elven rings. Anyway, it would have been impossible. No, I imagine he handled the thing, just like Gandalf had done when he threw it into Bag End's fireplace, many weeks before. He probably quickly and gingerly grabbed it, looped the chain in, and had as short a contact with the thing as possible. So I'm assuming it was Elrond. It's definitely true that handling it and bearing it are completely different.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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In my view all that you have listed were bearers except Gandalf. All of them had it for some time, if you count Sam, having had the ring after Shelob`s attack, and carrying Frodo up Mount Doom. But Gandalf only held the ring for a few seconds time. As for switching the chains, I believe it would have been Sam. Gandalf and Elrond avoided touching the ring, whereas Sam was not being bothered by its power, and did not wanting to take it away from Frodo. But who gave him the chain? Maybe Elrond. Hmmm... interesting thread.
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