Tol-in-Gaurhoth IV (The Saga, erm, Still Continues...)

[the phantom]

If we leave the vote up chance there is far more chance of us lynching someone important to the village, someone who could be of more help in the werewolf hunt than an inoocent villager.

Yes.

But the main flaw in the plan remains, it is unlikley that there is anyone selfless enough to give up their own life for the wellbeing of the village except those who are more useful alive.

Yes.

Kath seems to have a good understanding of things.

The villagers already have information

Not enough- yet.

Killing an innocent today ups our chances of killing a gifted innocent tomorrow, unless you plan on having an offered sacrifice daily

1) Even if it ups our chances of killing one tomorrow, it lessens our chances of killing one today. That's not really an argument.
2) I do intend on offering a daily sacrifice.

But before you freak out, I'm only suggesting two- one today and one tomorrow. As I said earlier, if the seer and guardian make it through the first two days and nights alive then we will be in excellent shape and still have a significant advantage in numbers.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What's the point of the villagers winning, if you leave none left to celebrate?

[the phantom]

What's the point of the villagers winning, if you leave none left to celebrate?

That query is so nonsensical I can barely begin to answer it.

It doesn't matter who is left alive at the end as long as none of them are wolves. The ultimate positive outcome for a villager is for the village to win, so if the village wins nothing else matters!

Please remain silent if you can only ask questions like that.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And you should talk, tp, when your best plan is knowingly slaughtering innocents? Forgive me when I laugh at you.
Our gifted villagers are a perk, nothing more. They are just as expendable as anyone else. So what if the Seer dies? The odds are against us that we'll even know who it is until it's too late. And can the Ranger protect for more than one night in a row? If we kill the Ranger? Then everybody's chances of night time survival are still equal. Our Shirriffs are helpful only to each other, and even that is slim, as neither has anything to go on but hunches. Our Hunter is who we should be most worried about slaying, because he or she takes someone to the grave beside him/her, but even that isn't that bad, because the Hunter has what, a 17.6% chance of picking who also dies accurately?

Though we may mourn the loss of our gifted members, their deaths will not be as severely detrimental as intentionally killing people that we know aren't werewolves! While I can appreciate your idea, tp, I cannot condone it, and I will not. I want everyone listening to know that, should you decide to offer up evening sacrifices, I am whole-heartedly against it. I see it only as saying "Well, we know for certain that you are innocent, so we'll kill you, instead of the sketchy looking guy over there." Completely pointless.

[Kath]

But surely this plan makes some sense for today as so far we have no 'sketchy looking characters', well with the possible exception of Eomer and his little Freudian (?) slip there. Since we have nothing upon which to base our votes and guesses one innocent and less important villager's death will mean we still have the Seer, the Rangers and the Shirrifs, the latter of which we surely need both of or they become useless.

[littlemanpoet]

Pardon my penchant, phantom I can't help it.
Nor can you if you'll let me tell it.
And Eomer, maybe you just just mistaked,
but maybe ol' Sir Freud's not so baked.
Don't think I didn't notice you try
to cast my suspicion as fooler-eye.

And werewolves can let their guard down and make vital mistakes.

And did you make one?
Hmm? Gotta won-
der, you rapscallient
excuse for an innocent!

And I gotta say
that Peredhil Féa
is getting more convincing
with each passing posting.

[Kath]

But Eomer, with no evidence to speak of whatsoever except for a hidden message from the Seer somewhere around you have to use any evidence available to you whether hard or soft.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I am still unclear as to what advantage we gain from having the seer around. Besides the novelty, of course.

Nice poem LMP, living up to you're name.

Good observation lmp, but isn't the aim of the game to find werewolves and not make me look like an idiot?

Nicely put. The Downs is a friendly sight where we should all try to be nice to each other. Even if we are about to get eaten by the W-Ws.

[the phantom]

Tell me, what was the purpose of this?

What, my poem post? I just couldn't resist.

As for your hostility towards Fea: it's completely justified.

Unfortunately, she always acts like this, so who knows if there is an actual reason for it?

And I gotta say
that Peredhil Féa
is getting more convincing
with each passing posting.

I sincerely hope you aren't saying that her arguments are convincing in some way other than convincing you that she is off her rocker.

[the phantom]

How is it that I am making myself look guilty by trying to make people see that killing off people that we know are innocent will not help us in the long run?

You are obviously missing the entire point of the plan. The entire point of the plan is to help the village "in the long run". My plan accepts that innocents will die early and attempts to at least preserve our gifted villagers. That is most definitely helpful in the long run.

Isn't it better to take a chance and maybe kill a werewolf, instead of give up all hope at this stage of the proceedings and immediately start killing off the good guys?

NO!!!

Sheesh. I've already demonstrated the statistical disadvantage of attempting to randomly select a wolf. I think you need to go back and read my first few posts again.

The idea is that we don't want innocent people to die!

BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY AT THE BEGINNING!!! The most we can do is pick which innocent dies.

What is so difficult to understand about this???

You either have poor math and reasoning skills, or you are a foolish wolf.

Where is the best place to hide? Out in the open.

True, and who has been the most openly guilty so far? You!

What in the world has happened when logic means killing innocent people while werewolves run free?

Your arguments have already demonstrated your weak grip on things that involve logic, so I don't think you should be trying to comment on logic (or lack thereof) in any situation.

[littlemanpoet]

Off her rocker? Well, not exactly.
You're both loudmouths, matter of factly.
Maybe you're both werewolves and creating this fuss
to distract the rest of us
to throw us off the (hint hint) scent.
Or maybe you're both innocent.
Who's to say?
Who knows how you'll play?
One thing's sure,
it's that Eomer
made a word slip
which may be a mere blip
or it may be evidence
of his malfeasance (sp?).

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I accidentally said outright that I am a werewolf with a malevolent eye? You rascal lmp!

By mistakes I referred to the trusting of fallacious reasoning. I did not refer to switching my 'her's' and my 'my's' in a tale including 'her' and 'me'.

But I know all about your trickery, o yes! I remember the japes we used to pull in our younger days. Remember that goat we set loose in Evisse's garden? Those were the days....

*ahem*

Anywho, you really haven't lived life yet, if you ain't got no regrets. And I am regretting my lazy use of possessive pronouns....

Why do I think that someone will vote for me on that basis....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay, I'll admit that saying the Seer is expendable is a little hasty of me. Wait... no I won't.

Right now, we have a Seer. He or she knows somebody's identity. Chances are high that he or she knows the identity of somebody that, quite frankly, we don't care about.

So we'll kill an innocent today. The wolves will kill an innocent tonight. There's a chance, however small, that the wolves are going to kill our Seer tonight any how, unless of course he or she comes out and says "Hey everybody, I'm the Seer. Ranger, you need to protect me tonight." In that case, the wolves have the chance of slaughtering the Ranger instead, and then the Seer is up for grabs the next night.

Or the wolves swipe the hunter, and two people die. Or, of course, the wolves swipe one of tp's expendable innocents, and apparently nobody cares, right?

My point is, that, probability for day one aside, your numbers aren't going to help us win the game, because there is the human error quotient. The Seer could be killed tonight, and then you wasted a life for nothing.

Any how, since nobody is going to listen to me about my opinion on tp's colossally stupid kill-plan, here's a brain-teaser.

Neither Anguirel nor Lalaith have posted yet, and yet Eomer's accused them both. Twice. Why, Eomer?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*spit* I'm innocent. I'll volunteer.

Volunteer for what, may I ask?

I dunno. "Volunteerin'" sounds mighty fun. *cough*

By de whey, Eomer, thanks for keeping my role alive, pardner. Someone suspicious ain't one if he ain't suspicious, if y'all know wat I mean. *spit*