Gothmog: the poll - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-07-2005, 01:58 AM

Have you seem Grishnákh, Shagrat, and Gorbag lately?

I don't think Sauron would want an Orc being second-in-command of a major stronghold of his.

the guy who be short · 08-07-2005, 05:36 AM

Here's something to consider: Did Tolkien himself actually know what Gothmog was?

Think about it. There is one tiny, fleeting reference to him. It's entirely possible that Tolkien simply made up a name for a lieutenant on the spot (choosing Gothmog for fairly obvious reasons) and didn't give him any history or race.

In any case, I resent the lack of a cop-out option, Fordim. "Tolkien didn't care" would have done nicely.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-07-2005, 10:55 AM

In one of those old threads, someone suggests that Gothmog is Tom Bombadil.

There is also reference in those threads to the fact that Tolkien had originally written that all the Nazgul fled the Pelennor after Witchy died. Is that in HoME at all?

View Poll Results: Gothmog was
A Nazgûl	15	34.09%
A Black Numenorean	21	47.73%
An orc chieftan	8	18.18%
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08-07-2005, 01:58 AM	#1
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Gothmog the Orc. Have you seem Grishnákh, Shagrat, and Gorbag lately? I don't think Sauron would want an Orc being second-in-command of a major stronghold of his. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-07-2005, 05:36 AM	#2
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	The Short One adds a Twist Here's something to consider: Did Tolkien himself actually know what Gothmog was? Think about it. There is one tiny, fleeting reference to him. It's entirely possible that Tolkien simply made up a name for a lieutenant on the spot (choosing Gothmog for fairly obvious reasons) and didn't give him any history or race. In any case, I resent the lack of a cop-out option, Fordim. "Tolkien didn't care" would have done nicely.

08-07-2005, 10:55 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	In one of those old threads, someone suggests that Gothmog is Tom Bombadil. There is also reference in those threads to the fact that Tolkien had originally written that all the Nazgul fled the Pelennor after Witchy died. Is that in HoME at all? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

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