Ent-wives slaves - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mänwe · 02-09-2006, 10:58 AM

Bêthberry, alas I am prone to hastiness, a fault I strive to rid of often. Alas being mortal I have the need to do all things possible quickly. I suppose that is why I chose such a character as a Valar, being "immortal" gives me far more time to mull things over!

No doubt my next stop shall be the RP's, once I have had a hefty stab at the lore which I do so adore.

JennyHallu · 02-09-2006, 11:30 AM

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alas I am prone to hastiness, a fault I strive to rid of often

Then an Entish character may prove an especial challenge.

Looking forward to seeing you in the Green Dragon!

Tuor of Gondolin · 02-09-2006, 11:52 AM

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It would be a game exploring the biotechnology proclivities of Sauron et al. Perhaps the entwives were, as the elves were, broken and degraded, but not to become orcs; instead, to become genetically engineered ents?

Not all that improbable, given that one thoery (the prevaling one?)
for the origin of orcs is broken (and genetically altered) elves.
If elves were so treated, including by Morgoth in Thangorodrim,
then why not ents?

JennyHallu · 02-09-2006, 12:26 PM

I'm not sure. We have documentation of Morgoth twisting creatures in that way, but is there actual evidence that Sauron, a lesser being, was capable of such on his own?

Gothmog · 02-09-2006, 01:03 PM

Here's a wild theory (one that I don't believe in myself, but it's interesting to speculate

): We know that the orcs was made as a mockery of elves, and at least partly from tortured and twisted elves. The exact source of the orcs hasn't been proved if I remember earlier discussions correctly. There's multiple factors behind the orcs, but this is one. We also know that trolls was made as a mockery of Ents (again, not completely proved but a highly accepted theory). Is it possible that some of the Entwives was twisted into trolls, like the Elves was turned into Orcs? Presuming Sauron had the power to do that of course.

The poor Entwife-slaves was also used as lab rats and was subjects to Saurons twisted experiments! And you feel sorry for the Ents that was left without wives!?

The only way to know where the entwives went is by solving this riddle I guess. If there even is an answer...

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-09-2006, 03:05 PM

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Is it possible that some of the Entwives was twisted into trolls, like the Elves was turned into Orcs? Presuming Sauron hade the power to do that of course.

Good grief! Could this mean that William and his buddies had
sex change operations!

It could explain their cranky attitude.

Actually, Gothmog has an interesting theory.

Lalwendë · 02-09-2006, 03:41 PM

There was a particularly good Ent character played in the Green Dragon (our free form 'pub' RPG in the Shire RPG forum) some months ago, and she was an Entwife, too. I cannot remember the name of the character off the top of my head, but she may have been in the Green Dragon sometime around page 20 or so...

It's interesting thinking about whether such a character would be canonical or not. Tolkien created the Entwives, but he did not go as far as to actually present us with one. Would it be acceptable to assume what the character might be like? I think it might be, as Tolkien after all hoped that others would come after him "wielding paint and music and drama".

Maybe an anarchic Entwife would be appropriate? It could be a return to the concept of the Wildwood...she could have the character of Old Man Willow perhaps?

piosenniel · 02-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Just a reference post:

The character in The Green Dragon Inn, an Ent maiden, started on page 27 / post 1075.

02-09-2006, 10:58 AM	#1
Mänwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: May as well be the Arctic Circle Posts: 283	Thank you, Bêthberry, alas I am prone to hastiness, a fault I strive to rid of often. Alas being mortal I have the need to do all things possible quickly. I suppose that is why I chose such a character as a Valar, being "immortal" gives me far more time to mull things over! No doubt my next stop shall be the RP's, once I have had a hefty stab at the lore which I do so adore. __________________ "I am, I fear, a most unsatisfactory person." - (Letter #124 To Sir Stanley Unwin)

02-09-2006, 12:26 PM	#4
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	I'm not sure. We have documentation of Morgoth twisting creatures in that way, but is there actual evidence that Sauron, a lesser being, was capable of such on his own? __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

02-09-2006, 01:03 PM	#5
Gothmog Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Where I lay my head is home Posts: 421	Here's a wild theory (one that I don't believe in myself, but it's interesting to speculate ): We know that the orcs was made as a mockery of elves, and at least partly from tortured and twisted elves. The exact source of the orcs hasn't been proved if I remember earlier discussions correctly. There's multiple factors behind the orcs, but this is one. We also know that trolls was made as a mockery of Ents (again, not completely proved but a highly accepted theory). Is it possible that some of the Entwives was twisted into trolls, like the Elves was turned into Orcs? Presuming Sauron had the power to do that of course. The poor Entwife-slaves was also used as lab rats and was subjects to Saurons twisted experiments! And you feel sorry for the Ents that was left without wives!? The only way to know where the entwives went is by solving this riddle I guess. If there even is an answer... __________________ Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watch which Swatch watch switch? He who breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom ~Lurker... Last edited by Gothmog; 02-09-2006 at 03:36 PM.

02-09-2006, 03:41 PM	#7
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	There was a particularly good Ent character played in the Green Dragon (our free form 'pub' RPG in the Shire RPG forum) some months ago, and she was an Entwife, too. I cannot remember the name of the character off the top of my head, but she may have been in the Green Dragon sometime around page 20 or so... It's interesting thinking about whether such a character would be canonical or not. Tolkien created the Entwives, but he did not go as far as to actually present us with one. Would it be acceptable to assume what the character might be like? I think it might be, as Tolkien after all hoped that others would come after him "wielding paint and music and drama". Maybe an anarchic Entwife would be appropriate? It could be a return to the concept of the Wildwood...she could have the character of Old Man Willow perhaps? __________________ Gordon's alive!

02-09-2006, 04:19 PM	#8
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Just a reference post: The character in The Green Dragon Inn, an Ent maiden, started on page 27 / post 1075. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

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