Admin thread to WW XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Garin]

Okay, I basically made a suicide attempt and you guys went along with it. My reasoning was "if these guys can read between the lines and correctly weigh my first posts against my last minute posts, they will let me live and I'll remain committed to the village." So much for that crap.
Anyways, RL issues came into play and it pained me that I would lack the time and commitment. So I just wanted to make a play that would insure that the village trusted me enough. I didn't have time to constantly defend myself.
My personal list of first day guilties: TGWBS, Saucerino, Kitanna and LEGATE.
Congrats to Legate for managing to fool just about everyone. I KNEW you were a baddie and just rolled my eyes as I watched the village act as if you were a saint. Amazing job. (Please review my posts and one can see where I dropped hints to my beloved village.)
Guy, I actually figured you were a faithful after I was lynched. Your demise was rather unfortunate but you handled it with such class. I would've put Rune as guilty over you until I was lynched. When I returned home from work and saw my demise I had that sinking that you were one of them.
SAUCE! I've actually studied your technique in games in which I did not participate. I used to have time and I love WW. My suspicions of you fell mainly into the "well, it would figure" category. I gave a a little hint to the village that if you didn't die by lynching and the faithfuls kept you alive... well.... the same could be said of me.
Kitanna
Keep in mind that it was early, a day's worth, into the game. I thought that you seemed a little aloof.
I'm sure you had reasons, as did I.
Also, I always want to lynch Gil.
Bless his heartl

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Garin

Congrats to Legate for managing to fool just about everyone. I KNEW you were a baddie and just rolled my eyes as I watched the village act as if you were a saint. Amazing job. (Please review my posts and one can see where I dropped hints to my beloved village.)

Thanks, Garin. Actually, if you are interested, there is one thing I have posted to my comrades on Night 2 (tgwbs dropped it when posting the short version of our plotting; in general it is unimportant):

I am really happy about getting rid of Garin, I didn't like him and he gave me creeps from the very beginning, but I didn't dare to join the march against him. I am happy it turned out for good without my intervention.

You see, it is not nice to see someone accusing you the first day you play, and even more so if you are really guilty

[The Saucepan Man]

Yay!* We won! Well done, my fellow Faithfuls. I always knew that we had "right" on our side.

Thanks to TGWBS for "taking my bullet". Obivously, the result would have been the same mathematically whichever of us had been lynched. But I wonder whether you might have survived longer than me. Thanks also for your sensible (and logical) contributions to our Nightly plotting. I still think that going for Rikae on Night 2 was the right thing to do. It was too risky not to, as it could in theory have left her alive for another Day, had we not. Your suggestion of Rune on Night 4 was a good one too. I believe that he would have been generally regarded as innocent for his "Silly Sods" comment otherwise.

Durelin, I enjoyed our little spats, and you handled the pressure that you came under in the middle of the game wonderfully. And, Legate, a newbie performance par excellence. I don't think that you were ever seriously in the running to be lynched. Both of you played those final two Days very well indeed. You were lucky with Lommy's list but, when I considered it myself that Night, she looked to be the best option for the kill, even though she looked likely to be the Hunter.

I was rather a reluctant Faithful, in some ways, I am afraid. Being a Faithful is probably the most time-consuming role in this game since one is occupied during the Nights as well as the Days, and posts during the Day take that much more time to check before submitting (and, even then, I made some careless mistakes). So, it is a daunting task, and I did not have as much time as I would have liked to devote to it (at least in the first few Days). Still, I cannot complain about the quality of my comrades in the least. They were wonderful players to share Faithfulness with.

Still, I was rather frustrated that I attracted suspicion early on. I was a little peeved with Roa for putting me so much in the spotlight so early on, although I understand what you were trying to do. From the list, though, I presume that you did think me innocent when you were going aggressively against me on Day 1. Still, your performance on Day 2, particularly after you were revealed, was wonderful and, in effect "bought us a Day".

Nogrod was a right thorn in the side, especially from my perspective, throughout. Funnily enough, your intuition was spot on, but I never thought that there was really much of a case against me on the evidence. It was largrly based upon "feeling", which was of course correct. The fact that you thought that I was acting the way you would if Faithful explains a lot. Lalaith, you too were rather a thorn in the side later on. Day 4, we really should have got you lynched. Alas, it was not to be ...

I actually played in much the same way that I would have had I been innocent (except Day 5), albeit with less time to do so. Hence my frustration at there being no solid case against me. My one unconvincing argument, perhaps, was that Durelin was a Faithful trying to associate herself with me as an innocent. With the benefit of hindsight, I would perhaps not have gone down that road, but happily it did Durelin little harm.

Talking of which, I really enjoyed my "borrowed Day", Day 5. I was almost certain that I would end up being lynched, so I played it as my "kamikaze" Day. My main aim was to make Durelin look better, by each of us going for each other, avoid much mention of Legate, and generally confuse with my analyses and suspicion lists. I was there right at the end watching as I was lynched, although I did not post, willing Legate to put in a decisive vote for me.

Those well placed Faithful-on-Faithful votes can do wonders, as I know from my first game as a Wolf. On Day 5, I thought it would be good for my fellows to go against me, and for me to go against Durelin, as we had just lost one of our number, and so might not be thought willing to lose another.

Anyway, many thanks to all for a thoroughly enjoyable game, and particularly to the MacMod for great modding, for some most enjoyable narratives (I loved my death, being a big Python fan) and also for giving me an extra Day ...

I will post highlights of the Night 5 discussions, but Durelin or Legate will have to cover the remainder.
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* "Yay!" is now obviously a generally accepted sign of Faithful/Wolf-ishness.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by SPM

setting Rune and Brinniel at each other was a snazzy move.

To what extend do you mean that you set me and Brinniel at each other?
Did you mean the whole Rune-Brinniel vote thing in genneral or me and Brinniels quarrels. . .

The funny thing is that I never ever really suspected TGWBS, probably as the only one in the village. I must say that you all played lovely, I was aware of SPM and Durelin, but mostly due to Nogrod's analysis. Legate on the other hand. . . .

anyways something that really bothered me after my death was when Durelin said something like "Rune's spite vote for Brinniel", seing you are a wolf I shall forgive you for that comment

The thing is that I make a point out of not vote out of spite and in fact I try to avoid voting for people that just voted for me, but in this case Brinniel just jumped too much to my attention. I could have voted for Legate again, but I had nothing to add to my case so it would probably not have done any good, only making me look bad for only going after him.

I thought it was a highly intertaining game, unfortunately I became bussy towards the end and have not seen what happened the last days.

[The Saucepan Man]

Again, edited highlights (and smilies removed) ...

Originally Posted by Durelin

I really hope my vote for Legate didn't look like a wolf cover up.

And sorry, SPM. Though you are still alive.

I don't wanna diiiiieeeeee! What do we do?

Well, I guess we obviously kill Nogrod. I wonder why Lalaith wanted to save herself so badly, though? Is she Gifted? Might be something we can use against her...

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, it's somewhat funny. But first, I want to apologize to you for not being here today, nevertheless, seeing what has been happening, maybe it's for the best. Also looking at the votes, probably I wouldn't be of much help anyway even if I came and voted, since voting for Lalaith and thus saving both SpM and tgwbs would immediately associate me with you, and although we'd have a dead Lalaith then and all four of us, the numbers will still be against us and we'd be clearly exposed. Apart from maybe Hookbill (and that's really only slightly), noone seems to be suspecting me at the moment, except for you (let's not overact it!), and no one seems to associate myself with you. Hopefully. Gah, but I don't want to be some sort of solo Faithful, I want to preserve us all! Or, us three, at least.

It is very, very, very unfortunate that Nogrod happened to pick you all three *grrr* Well, I think it didn't do as much shame as it could, but still, it is enough. Maybe, just maybe, the confusion raised by Mac's mistake will distract the village somehow. But only maybe.

Okay, we are still alive, as Durelin said, so now let's play this game on. After all, the village was losing and losing for many days, as the Mod himself said, it was about time they got one of us.

First, I suggest raising a suspicion on Lalaith tomorrow for taking her vote from tgwbs and assigning it to SpM to let herself live. Not only that she might be a Faithful trying to save her neck, but even she might have retracted a vote from her comrade (known Faithful). Do not lose your cool, SpM. Those who voted for Lalaith toDay must vote for her tomorrow, and even more. Darn, I am only afraid from my post logic in game I should be suspecting SpM now...

Secondly, on who to kill. I wouldn't take Nogrod's sputter about the Ranger not protecting him yesterday too seriously. But... I have somehow come to doubt whether Nogrod actually is not the Ranger (or worse, Hunter), although he mentioned, I think, on the start of the Day 2 something quite confusing about the Ranger (like if Rikae could know who protected her or something like that). Nevertheless, do you suggest we go after Nogrod now?

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Nogrod was a right thorn in the side toDay. Even though his early accusations of TGWBS, Durelin and I were later revealed to be tactical, why did he have to pick the three of us? I suspect that his intuition is on track, but he lacks the evidence to back it up. As I said in the thread, I don’t mind being suspected, but I thought his reasons (for all three of us) were very poor.

There is a risk that Nogrod was not protected last Night. But I get the feeling from his attempt to remind us of this possibility that he was. He will know, after all. Mith also made this point, which might point to her being the Ranger. Something to bear in mind.

But, for toNight, I think that we should go for Nogrod. I suspect he will not be protected and he is too much of a liability to keep around. It should quieten things down, too.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I am not overly optimistic about my chances toMorrow. If necessary, neither of you should hesitate to vote for me. It’s probably the one time when a Faithful-on-Faithful vote won’t be overly suspected, given that we lost one of our number toDay. It might be best to avoid both of you voting for me but, unless there is a miraculous turn around in my fortunes, one of you should. And make sure that it’s at a time when it counts. Durelin is probably best placed to do so, but play it as you see best.

As I said, I think that Legate is best placed of the three of us, so our main aim (apart from getting innocents lynched) should be to ensure that that remains the case.

Note - I doubt that Noggie is the Hunter but, if he is, he will probably take me down. If he is, I believe that Mith is his accomplice. Either way, we (you?) should consider killing Mith the next Night, especially if Lalaith is lynched toMorrow.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I have been looking at who TGWBS suspected and who suspected him. Here is a rough and ready list.

[This was a more basic version of the list I posted on Day 5.]

The best tack to take with this might be to look at those who he hardly mentioned and who didn't mention him, for example, Hookbill and Kitanna. It might also be used against Mithalwen. However, that might also implicate the two of you, Durelin especially. I might use it, as I have already expressed strong suspicions of Durelin.

His expressed belief in my innocence will almost certainly be used against me.

The more I think on it, the more I wonder whether it might be in the team's best interests for Durelin and I to have a big run-in toMorrow since, if one of us is lynched, it might well stand the other in good stead.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Yes, I think I already set it all up for you and I to go at each other's throats, Saucie. Unfortunately.

I agree that Nogrod should be our *attempted* kill. *crosses fingers* Do we know yet if Manwe is dead?

Perhaps a late wolf sort of sacrifice is for the best. Just play it by ear, and I readily give up myself if things are looking bad for me. I'll probably continue going after both of you, but not solely. I don't want people to pay more attention to you Legate, but I want to distance myself from you because chances are I'm going to get lynched sooner than you. Hopefully you won't get lynched at all.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I might suggest the crazy idea that Gil is a possible wolf because their votes for each other could have been a last minute attempt to distance themselves from each other, to keep Gil out of everyone's heads fully? Hmm...

I'll probably ramble about you Sauce and say how I'm confused that TGWBS would express that he thought you innocent if you are a wolf, too, because I would think he'd better separate himself...yadda....

Originally Posted by Durelin

Do you want to duke it out, Spaman, and throw everyone for a loop? I think we should definitely do so if for any reason Nogrod is protected. We might find the dynamics of the village completely different, though, toMorrow, without him around. Lommy may take his place in some respects, but she is at least more reasonable.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Since Durelin said she'd probably go after you, SpM, I most likely won't vote for you toMorrow (if such an option arises). Hopefully an argument that I am not 100% sure about you and that you might be either a total baddie or an innocent caught in bad situation will not seem strange. Durelin, I'd probably mention something like you are high on my list now, because I felt uneasy of you and now you might be constructing something, casting suspicion away from yourself by voting me etc. (is it adviceable to mention it, or should I skip the "voting for me" part?) Otherwise, I'll go against Mithalwen mainly, possibly not believing in Lalaith's guilt (so far I said almost nothing about her), mentioning Gil-Galad only sideways as a possibility of being the "black horse" after all, and expressing suspicion of Lommy.

Sacrifice being nice (oh! I'm a poet!), however, if we somehow manage to go through the next Day unharmed, it would be even better. Let's play it now how it comes. But, still we need to get rid of the Ranger/Hunter fast, or we'd have the pair on our backs. Stick with what you said in your PMs now (unless something better strikes you). Until then, and if Nogrod is the Hunter, have a nice Night/Day/.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

My assessment is that, if he's [Nogrod] not protected, we're in with a reasonable chance. If he is, I think it will be an uphill struggle. Either way, I believe that you will have to conquer your fears, Legate, and prepare yourself for a lone struggle.

Your plans sound fine to me. Agreed that it all depends upon how things look in the early stages and we should play it by ear. However, I suspect that I and, to a lesser extent, Durelin will be under some pressure. Of the two of us, I think that my lynching would do us less harm, as matters stand.

Better still, neither of us, but we shall see.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Rune

To what extend do you mean that you set me and Brinniel at each other?
Did you mean the whole Rune-Brinniel vote thing in genneral or me and Brinniels quarrels. . .

Well, both really, but the latter more. It was nothing major, but the strategy (from my perspective, at least) was to encourage suspicion between the two of you.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmmm. . . I want to dismiss any sugestion of me being manipulated, but of course you guys probably influenced my judgment. At least I cannot completly dismiss the theory.

I belive that my motivation was my own, but I suspect that you guys could have enhanced this motivation and I guess that is also the way a wolf wants to influence people.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Rune

hmmm. . . I want to dismiss any sugestion of me being manipulated, but of course you guys probably influenced my judgment. At least I cannot completly dismiss the theory.

Well, it was our job to try to influence and manipulate opinion. Whether or not we succeeded with you, I cannot say, but the results were consistent with our intentions. And, since we were the "bad" guys, we will take the credit.