Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Captain of Despair..if you dreamed of Sauce Night one, why did you never mention any suspicion of him? That is the main thing that troubles me...... and something els eI can't quite put my finger on...

To mention suspicion of him might have made me a target. I'd rather not compromise myself just to show I have suspicions of him. I wanted to wait as long as possible to reveal my agenda so that I'd have a better shot at getting at all three wolves, or at least two.

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 02:35 PM

Alrighty. Now that I am free of the shackles of work, I might respond more fully. This will include some rehashing of my first post, but it will keep things together better, I think.

So let us explore my Seer-dom.

Alrighty. On the first dream night, I spent my time dreaming of Saucepan Man. There was no real reason here, except that he is a great (and dangerous) player if he is a wolf. To my surprise and luck he was indeed one.

I did not reveal my suspicions of him once I knew his true nature as it might place me in harm's way. The wolves this game did not seem to be picking threatening targets, however. I am unsure as to what their decision-making process could be, but it might be based in the "potential" of their targets to cause harm. Brinniel might be the best case for this argument, as she seems to be a well-rounded player.

My next dream was of Kath (though I was considering the phantom, but then felt he would not be a wolf as well as Saucepan Man), who had garnered some suspicion from Saucepan Man. Knowing his nature, I decided it might be best to see if it was a wolf-on-wolf plot. Unfortunately it was not, and so I did not have another wolf. But I had an innocent at least. Fortunately, Kath still lives.

My third dream was of the phantom, whose actions during the quintuple lynch moment were quite suspicious. I doubted he could be a wolf at first, but since Kath was innocent it might have been wolf-to-wolf action with Sauce. Again I turned up nothing, as the phantom proved to be an innocent.

Once Holby came out as a the Seer I knew her to be a wolf, and knowing Sauce was one I refused to reveal myself. I felt this would be best for the village (as the wolves might get lucky and get an attempted double lynch which would allow them to win the game with my death by tacking all three of their votes on me).

Once the Night set in, I debated for some time one who to dream of. Holby did not really provide much to go on. Her absence and lack of interaction with other players gave me a dead end. I could find little based on what had come out of her voting for Saucepan Man, as I attributed it to wolves attempting to draw me out. So I went an alternate route.

Saucepan Man had been a rather vocal player this game (one of the few), and Holby was "helpful" when around, but mostly absent. Since these two were known wolves to me, I thought I might try to pick my dream based on activity and any feelings I might have when I thought of certain players.

Mithalwen and Gil-Galad were my only two choices, as I had dreamed of the phantom and Kath previously in my attempt to use Saucepan Man as a reference point. Mithalwen had some things in common with Sauce, but she has been available. I did not feel anything in my gut when I went over some of her posts, and so I moved on to Gil-Galad.

His lack of activity (which would put him at the low end of the scale of the three wolves, with Sauce at the top and Holby in the middle), combined with his random voting pattern (which is sparse, but his mod vote was very odd) and my initial suspicion of him (mostly playing off his avatar) leant me to look into him. Although it would not matter, I preferred to find the wolf outright rather than an innocent. Either one being dreamed of would have yielded the result. In dreaming of Gil-Galad, I did indeed find the wolf I was looking for.

While I am saddened the phantom had to die in the name of my search, coming out would have been ineffective in winning the game in my view. But I feel his sacrifice is not in vain, as the innocents of this village can rally and put down a wolf today. Then everything is set for a win after my death tonight.

Gil-Galad · 08-02-2007, 02:36 PM

woah... where did me coming a wolf be? since this is the end i might as well reveal it and save my hide

i am the seer

CaptainofDespair is trying to pretend to kill me off, a good ending move as a wolf, too bad i dreamt of you last night as wolf

Holbytlass is innocent! Mithalwen is innocent!

so that leaves us to lynch Kath and Captain!

++CaptainofDespair

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

woah... where did me coming a wolf be? since this is the end i might as well reveal it and save my hide

i am the seer

CaptainofDespair is trying to pretend to kill me off, a good ending move as a wolf, too bad i dreamt of you last night as wolf

Holbytlass is innocent! Mithalwen is innocent!

so that leaves us to lynch Kath and Captain!

++CaptainofDespair

You lack the credentials, Gil-Galad. If Holby is innocent, how did she pick a wolf in Saucepan Man? She revealed a dreaming pattern, as well. You have nothing to show for but accusations.

And that you attempt to turn my own reasoning against shows you have nothing in your hand but the blood and gore of our fellow villagers whom you ruthlessly slaughtered. Your testimony can only be turned against you.

And how am I trying to pretend to kill you off? Today I'm going for Holby, as she is far more dangerous a wolf than you. You will simply be put down tomorrow after you kill me tonight. Essentially, I'm leaving Mithalwen and Kath to kill you off.

Holbytlass · 08-02-2007, 02:42 PM

I'm alive?!?

I dreamt of Captain last night and he is a wolf.

He's EVIL!!

++Captain of Despair

Holbytlass · 08-02-2007, 02:47 PM

Reading through today, now I see why I'm alive. Didn't need to look at the village bullletin because I fully expected to be dead (also had RL company).

Good one, CoD.

WHY as a wolf would I kill off Phantom, as he is a better debator than I am and was in my corner. I would NEVER have killed him last night!

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Reading through today, now I see why I'm alive. Didn't need to look at the village bullletin because I fully expected to be dead (also had RL company).

Good one, CoD.

WHY as a wolf would I kill off Phantom, as he is a better debator than I am and was in my corner. I would NEVER have killed him last night!

I assume the phantom is dead is because it would reflect poorly on me. He believed me to be a wolf yesterday. To kill him would make me seem guilty, and thus allow you to continue your false and very flawed Seer act, Holby. The phantom, it seems to me, is more useful to you dead than alive.

Holbytlass · 08-02-2007, 02:57 PM

If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself?

I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves.

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself?

I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves.

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves. And what better way than to win the game by getting the real Seer lynched. By using two wolves, instead of one true innocent, in your game, you allowed yourselves (it would seem to me) to be set up for a double lynch. Now, that was contingent on several factors, such as me revealing myself and not knowing Sauce to be a wolf. That is one theory of mine. It is somewhat flawed, but it did form the first ideas of how this might have gone down.

My other is that you would allow one of you to be lynched (you, specifically, Holby) when the Seer came out. Sauce might then look a tad more innocent than what he was, giving you two wolves with knowledge of the Seer. Without me, the village could not easily find the last wolf. That might then be enough to garner victory for you.

And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.

Holbytlass · 08-02-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves.

Therefore, as a wolf, I would have sat back and let it fall.

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And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.

True, very true, but again the timing of my so-called "charade" is way off. The wolves were ahead and in no danger at that moment-so I would not have pointed fingers at a fellow wolf needlessly.

CaptainofDespair · 08-02-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Holbytlass

I'm alive?!?

I dreamt of Captain last night and he is a wolf.

He's EVIL!!

++Captain of Despair

And so the last two wolves come into concert with one another. I find it interesting that Gil-Galad can only put out a real vote when his wolfen hide is in danger.

And you Holby, are alive because you are a wolf. Nice try attempting to lure me out with a fake Seer act, but you've failed. I will not be bested by you canine mongrels.

In any case, I planned on a spurt of activity from the wolves, if only enough to try to kill me. But the vote will come down to Kath and Mithalwen. They are the deciders on this matter. I have complete faith that they will do the right thing.

08-02-2007, 02:36 PM	#3
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	woah... where did me coming a wolf be? since this is the end i might as well reveal it and save my hide i am the seer CaptainofDespair is trying to pretend to kill me off, a good ending move as a wolf, too bad i dreamt of you last night as wolf Holbytlass is innocent! Mithalwen is innocent! so that leaves us to lynch Kath and Captain! ++CaptainofDespair __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-02-2007, 02:42 PM	#5
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	I'm alive?!? I dreamt of Captain last night and he is a wolf. He's EVIL!! ++Captain of Despair __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

08-02-2007, 02:47 PM	#6
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Reading through today, now I see why I'm alive. Didn't need to look at the village bullletin because I fully expected to be dead (also had RL company). Good one, CoD. WHY as a wolf would I kill off Phantom, as he is a better debator than I am and was in my corner. I would NEVER have killed him last night! __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

08-02-2007, 02:57 PM	#8
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself? I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

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08-02-2007, 02:35 PM	#2
CaptainofDespair Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 413	Alrighty. Now that I am free of the shackles of work, I might respond more fully. This will include some rehashing of my first post, but it will keep things together better, I think. So let us explore my Seer-dom. Alrighty. On the first dream night, I spent my time dreaming of Saucepan Man. There was no real reason here, except that he is a great (and dangerous) player if he is a wolf. To my surprise and luck he was indeed one. I did not reveal my suspicions of him once I knew his true nature as it might place me in harm's way. The wolves this game did not seem to be picking threatening targets, however. I am unsure as to what their decision-making process could be, but it might be based in the "potential" of their targets to cause harm. Brinniel might be the best case for this argument, as she seems to be a well-rounded player. My next dream was of Kath (though I was considering the phantom, but then felt he would not be a wolf as well as Saucepan Man), who had garnered some suspicion from Saucepan Man. Knowing his nature, I decided it might be best to see if it was a wolf-on-wolf plot. Unfortunately it was not, and so I did not have another wolf. But I had an innocent at least. Fortunately, Kath still lives. My third dream was of the phantom, whose actions during the quintuple lynch moment were quite suspicious. I doubted he could be a wolf at first, but since Kath was innocent it might have been wolf-to-wolf action with Sauce. Again I turned up nothing, as the phantom proved to be an innocent. Once Holby came out as a the Seer I knew her to be a wolf, and knowing Sauce was one I refused to reveal myself. I felt this would be best for the village (as the wolves might get lucky and get an attempted double lynch which would allow them to win the game with my death by tacking all three of their votes on me). Once the Night set in, I debated for some time one who to dream of. Holby did not really provide much to go on. Her absence and lack of interaction with other players gave me a dead end. I could find little based on what had come out of her voting for Saucepan Man, as I attributed it to wolves attempting to draw me out. So I went an alternate route. Saucepan Man had been a rather vocal player this game (one of the few), and Holby was "helpful" when around, but mostly absent. Since these two were known wolves to me, I thought I might try to pick my dream based on activity and any feelings I might have when I thought of certain players. Mithalwen and Gil-Galad were my only two choices, as I had dreamed of the phantom and Kath previously in my attempt to use Saucepan Man as a reference point. Mithalwen had some things in common with Sauce, but she has been available. I did not feel anything in my gut when I went over some of her posts, and so I moved on to Gil-Galad. His lack of activity (which would put him at the low end of the scale of the three wolves, with Sauce at the top and Holby in the middle), combined with his random voting pattern (which is sparse, but his mod vote was very odd) and my initial suspicion of him (mostly playing off his avatar) leant me to look into him. Although it would not matter, I preferred to find the wolf outright rather than an innocent. Either one being dreamed of would have yielded the result. In dreaming of Gil-Galad, I did indeed find the wolf I was looking for. While I am saddened the phantom had to die in the name of my search, coming out would have been ineffective in winning the game in my view. But I feel his sacrifice is not in vain, as the innocents of this village can rally and put down a wolf today. Then everything is set for a win after my death tonight.