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Old 12-17-2007, 09:30 PM   #1
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Helm's horn appears to defy the laws of acoustics- and scares the bejeepers out of Orcs.
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:47 PM   #2
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Yet one horn...

Merry's horn. The description points quite clearly at the magic being in the horn, not the blower.
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:07 PM   #3
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True, but horns of this sort probably don't count as musical instruments.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:07 AM   #4
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True, but horns of this sort probably don't count as musical instruments.
I agree, but I certainly will mention them in my paper - I'll take any references I can get, as there are so few!

As to the laws of acoustics, if the instruments are so similar to ours, the acoustics must be similar too.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:28 AM   #5
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Horns do seem to have an especially military connection, going back at least to the Battle of Jericho (OT, Joshua) where the ritualistic blowing of rams' horns by priests led to the fall of the walls of Jericho, leading to the slaughter of almost the entire populace in the city.

Now there's an echo with power.
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:20 AM   #6
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Laws of acoustics: since the echoes keep getting louder and louder, something other than Newtonian physics is at work.

Nor would ol' Isaac have an explanation for why Orcs would find the sound painful and terrifying.
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Helm's horn appears to defy the laws of acoustics- and scares the bejeepers out of Orcs.
I'm not sure if it defies the laws of acoustics - I thought it had something to do with the echo in the valley.

Anyway, who told you what the laws of acoustics are in there?
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