WW42 - Discussion Thread

[THE Ka]

I intend this to be as bloody ridiculous as possible.

Name: Taliesin of Nothing

Title(s): 'The Keepless Nostophobist'; '... Who now?'

Equipment (among others):
- A Lute of Brutal Honesty
- A Bow of Second Guessing w/ Arrows of Regret
- The Bag of Wishful Thinking w/ the Drawstring of Reality
- Two inconspicious, regular and honest long knives
- An everyday and useful Cloak of Assumption
- One Aloof Walking Staff

(Significant) heroic deeds:
- Vanquished the inner child of the great Warlord Krumm, and collected all his assets in full with no transaction fee.
- Ridded the Riddler of No-Returns-After-Five-Days from the North
- Periodically saves *some* animals from forest fires
- Saved the secrets of Several Symbolic Sorcerers
- Have repeatedly survived the 'mysterious' vendettas from many a several quasi-kingly Courts
- Successfully remains a mellow misanthropic this whole time

Star sign: Michevious Morgana the Misanthropist

Favourite food: Fish (well smart one, what else is there to eat for the Ichthyophagi on the go?)

Favourite drink: Tears of laughter (it sticks to you, those vaporous humors)

Favourite sport: Orienteering

Favourite colour: Teal. Simple as that.

Weirdest rumor you have heard about yourself: That I actually live somewhere, who, what, where?!

Hobbies: Unconscious brutal honesty, horse grooming, perpetual travel, some fine dining, star-counting.

Tell us something that nobody else knows about you: I never rent the seventh room of any establishment, for very rational reasons.

[Thinlómien]

Name: Thinlómien

Title(s): The Misfit, The Orc-Elf, The Ancient Beast

Equipment (among others):
- a great bow
- a set of heavy Orc knives
- an old, rusty sword
- Elven cloak
- Orc medicines

(Significant) heroic deeds:
- Escaped from Melkor's dungeons before being completely turned to an Orc
- Saved a Swedish princess from a horde of talking pancakes
- Killed a scouting party of ten Orcs single-handed
- Shot an apple that was on the top of a penguin's head
- Helped some petty-dwarves to find roots and herbs for food
- Slayed The Killer Mosquito of Angband

Star sign: Cursed

Favourite food: Turkish food, especially iskender kebab aka lembas and elf-meat

Favourite drink: blackcurrant juice

Favourite sport: playing footbag with stuffed squirrel heads

Favourite colour: the colour of the stars of Varda

Weirdest rumor you have heard about yourself: That I'm actually not an Elf nor an Orc, but a Hobbit. Blah, such creatures don't even exist.

Hobbies: Looking for the sea and dreaming of the Western Shore. Footbags. Astronomy. Torturing insects. Gardening. Book-crossing. Lopping people's arms off. Playing chess with penguins.

Tell us something that nobody else knows about you: A long time ago I was young and beautiful and gentle-hearted.

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I originally wanted to make her some sort of my alter ego that would resemble me quite a lot, but I got quickly a bit carried away with all that crazy footbag and kebab stuff and gave up...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Volo on the Dreams thread

I had a dream in which Aganzir and Brinniel told me that it's taking me too long to get WW42 running and signed out of it.

Unfortunately, your dream might very well come half true.

I really do want to be in this game though, so I won't back out until I know for sure I absolutely have to. Is there a certain time you must know by? I'm assuming nothing's happening until phantom's game is over anyways...

[Groin Redbeard]

Name: Groin Rebeard

Title(s): War Chief, Guardian of Caradhras

Equipment (among others):
-Great double edged battle axe
-Several throughing axes
-Wood axe
-Full dwarven chainmail with helmet

(Significant) heroic deeds:
-Saved travelers from the Barrow Wight's
-Veteran war chief of the Firebeards
-Has singe handedly stopped large bands of Orcs, multiple times, from passing over the Caradhras

Star sign: Bear

Favorite food: Anything that is cooked well; fruit

Favorite drink: Hot Cider

Favorite sport: Playing golf with hobbits

Favorite color: Gold

Weirdest rumor you have heard about yourself: Accused of dying his beard yellow.

Hobbies: Reading about great historical figures, Myths, Lore’s, and his highly competitive.

Tell us something that nobody knows about you: I don’t enjoy killing people, I’ve just gotten good at it.

Note too Legate: Please keep an eye on that cat of yours.

[Nogrod]

Name: Nogrod.

Title(s): Nogrod of Nogrod whom should be called Nogrod.

Equipment (among others):
- Slow feet but sometimes quick brains.
- Positive attitude.
- Hands, fingers and nails... and a hammer... a sledgehammer (trust me I know what I'm doing).
- A cloak of ever-dim rhetoric.

(Significant) heroic deeds:
- Almost said no to a request to do this or that thing.
- Woke up this morning.
- Convinced the balrog of Nogrod that he is mild-mannered by nature and just wishes for peace.
- Caught wolf-Roa in a game of WW. (Let's not mention the times she's gotten me lynched...)

Star sign: Hääyöaie.

Favorite food: Food for thought, roast lamb (whole) with mint sauce.

Favorite drink: Strong dwarven ale and eggnogs.

Favorite sport: Drinking contests of any sort.

Favorite color: Blueish-grey of the dwarven mines in shadows, anything firelighted.

Weirdest rumor you have heard about yourself: Recurrent rumours of being a rather talkative person... now me? Ridiculous.

Hobbies: (self)irony, sarcasm, laughter, tending a fish in a tank.

Tell us something that nobody knows about you: I and I come together well.

[Nogrod]

Volo: Has the post #1 now a complete, updated and final version of the rules?

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Volo: Has the post #1 now a complete, updated and final version of the rules?

It might not include all the answers to all questions but at least all that is written there is correct, or so I hope.

Good luck everybody!

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Unfortunately, your dream might very well come half true.

I really do want to be in this game though, so I won't back out until I know for sure I absolutely have to. Is there a certain time you must know by? I'm assuming nothing's happening until phantom's game is over anyways...

\o/ I can see the future!

Uh, um... :/

I'll wait until phantom's game ends and if there's still less than 18 players, I'll start sending PM invitations. You may have the question mark for as long as we lack players, so no worry.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Wierdest rumor you have heard about yourself: Reputedly I married a tree.

Oh, but that's not a rumour.
By the way, shouldn't your or Might's star sign be Death Star?

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Note too Legate: Please keep an eye on that cat of yours.

I just experienced déjà vu... Has Tolkien mentioned something about dwarves' interest on cats?
(when I was about 12 my dear rpg character's fav hobby was trying to catch & eat his fellow's kitten)

So, here's my character bio. But if there's still someone wants to be a mûmak-rider, I'm ready to change.

**

Name: Aganzir is a stage name given to me by the Númenoreans, and that's what you can call me.
Title(s): The Shadow of the East, the Black Easterling &c.

Equipment (among others):
-Bow and arrows
-Some throwing axes
-Teeth and claws
-A battle-trained horse
-Sharp tongue

(Significant) heroic deeds:
-Killing and torturing numerous people (including some royalties)
-Winning an honest combat once
-Foiling all the heroic deeds you others could have posted here otherwise
-Getting Ar-Pharazôn's advisor to propose to me
-> and everything that followed from that

Star sign: Riiuuyöaie.
Favourite food: Some nice juicy meat. I don't care too much which animal I am eating.
Favourite drink: Penguin blood.
Favourite sport: Cool stunts on horseback.
Favourite colour: Black!
Weirdest rumour you have heard about yourself: Absolutely the weirdest rumour I have heard is that I spread weird rumours about others! Well yea, they say I'm afraid of water. No idea why.
Hobbies: Sharpening my claws, sharpening my axes, sharpening my horse's teeth. Shooting wooden targets, shooting running targets, shooting screaming targets. Chasing little people. Seeing powerful people.
Tell us something that nobody else knows about you: I am a female.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Volo

I'll wait until phantom's game ends and if there's still less than 18 players, I'll start sending PM invitations.

So you don't have any clearer idea about when you would like to start? If you wanted to start earlier, maybe you could start sending the PMs even before that, you know how long it can take to get enough sign-ups...

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Note too Legate: Please keep an eye on that cat of yours.

Don't worry, my skills of animal handling are far above superior...

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh, but that's not a rumour.

Whatever, whatever...

Originally Posted by Aganzir

By the way, shouldn't your or Might's star sign be Death Star?

Interesting idea. Maybe Miggy will take it. I will remind him of that if he does not post it in his profile. He could even add something more, like an episode (*ahem*) that his horoscope was once said to be influenced by the fact that the Moon was standing in his planet, while of course TM knew, "That's no moon..."

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Star sign: Riiuuyöaie.

I can understand that!!!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Favourite drink

You know what, I am really surprised someone can be your friend when you are doing things like this...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Leggie

I can understand that!!!

Hmh, maybe you can understand it but surely not pronounce it (right). Lommy's been teaching you Finnish lately? Or was it Volo?

Originally Posted by Leggie

You know what, I am really surprised someone can be your friend when you are doing things like this...

I guess they're willing to forgive me maaany things because I'm such a good friend and nice and lovely for the most of time.

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I had almost forgot one thing I thought I'd post here... I was talking with a friend and mentioned I should come up with a character for this game. See what she suggested: "You could be a hybrid between a penguin and a tree so that Lommy and Legate wouldn't want to vote you!"

[Aganzir]

If I understood correctly, there's no night until after the pre-days? This bothers me a bit. Given the number of relatively new players, it's more than likely that someone who has never been a wolf before will be now. Ok, I know it's not that bad to be a first-timer wolf without a chance to discuss before the game starts, but... It'd just feel fairer. Besides, if this first-timer wolf is lynched on a pre-game day, s/he'll have no chance to try the best sides of wolvery, ie. the night discussions.

Another thing that bothers me is that I know I will feel bad if I have to choose between some innocentish experienced player and an only slightly suspicious newbie on the pre-game day. Lommy told me about this idea (I'm not sure if it was hers or Nog's) that there could be a first day when everybody speaks but no one is lynched, and only after that the pre-game days in groups of three. This would make it fairer- I bet it'll not be nice to be in the first group which has absolutely nothing to discuss.

-The player to cast the decisive vote during a Stage2 Day may PM the Mod and choose to be protected either for the next Night or the next Day.

If you ask me, this complicates the game in vain. But I guess I'm not asked because I'm always the pessimist.

3. what happens if in phase one the three participants of the day, have a deadlock? Like if everyone votes someone different and they can't change their vote?
The first person voted will be lynched.

Aghh... Couldn't it be chosen randomly? It's not fair that someone dies because of eg. timezone if all have been suspected equally.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Another thing that bothers me is that I know I will feel bad if I have to choose between some innocentish experienced player and an only slightly suspicious newbie on the pre-game day. Lommy told me about this idea (I'm not sure if it was hers or Nog's) that there could be a first day when everybody speaks but no one is lynched, and only after that the pre-game days in groups of three. This would make it fairer- I bet it'll not be nice to be in the first group which has absolutely nothing to discuss.

We talked about the subject with Lommy. I just forgot to bring it forwards. So I really think that without a something like "normal" Day1 in the beginning there will be nothing to discuss not only on the first pre-Day but on most pre-Days. In case Volo throws people with a shared past and vocal playing style together they might talk a few pages but I'm afraid that more often than not we will end up with more silence than discussion or actual playing.

There should indeed be votes as well on this common pre-pre-Day even if no one is actually lynched.

An idea to consider would also be that Volo could pick up one player more - so not 15, 18 or 21 but either 16, 19 or 22. Then we could actually lynch someone on this common Day1 and the lynched one would have a role revealed to everyone so we would actually have lots to talk about on the "pre-Game" stages as there would be everything from the first Day (and the wolves at least should have had a Night1 talk so that they could try strategies if they wished and the others could try to see those patterns in the discussions).

That would certainly break the neat balance but the balance is broken anyhow as soon as the pre-game rounds start so I don't think that to be a huge problem anyway - even if in one pre-game round there are not three different groups represented.

Well that's a thought.

[Groin Redbeard]

Do we have an actual day on when we will star playing?

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Do we have an actual day on when we will star playing?

Second that. I know we have to wait until Phantom's and others' games have ended and the players finally shuffle (almost wrote souffle there, too much en francais this week ) out, but is there any estimate of when a plausible date might hit the arison?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In case Volo throws people with a shared past and vocal playing style together they might talk a few pages but I'm afraid that more often than not we will end up with more silence than discussion or actual playing.

True there, considering the group of players so far includes a few seasoned, semi-seasoned, 'fenris-seasoned' , and others who this may be their second or first time playing. Then again, the first game is always the one where you learn from your mistakes and collect your spoils for further development, but I do agree that the first day is always one that has a permanent overcast of ackward silence. Which can or can't spell chaos for the rest of the game. Unless on the first day people start by taking random votes, even if it makes some of us feel horribly guilty (or guiltless with randomosity). I dunno, that is what I mostly remember about first day voting, is random votes for further development. In this case though, there might be a few more than one 'first day'.

So, a pre-game analysis might do some good, as long as it is kept to an agreeable length.
Nothing too extensive to add confusion later on, because its simply annoying and makes the whole thing a flit, so to speak.

Just my little musings, and wished to check in. A snow storm provided me an extra day from a busy schedule.


~ Curiouser and Curiouser Ka

[Aganzir]

Phantom's game has ended now and we still lack some players. I guess sending invitations would be the fastest way to get them.

More questions.
Do any of the gifteds know each other / are allowed to pm / something?

-Only 1 player from each role group (Innocent/Special/Werewolf) has the right to post and vote per Day.

So there will be eg. a day with a wolf, a cobbler and an ordo?

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If I understood correctly, there's no night until after the pre-days? This bothers me a bit. Given the number of relatively new players, it's more than likely that someone who has never been a wolf before will be now. Ok, I know it's not that bad to be a first-timer wolf without a chance to discuss before the game starts, but... It'd just feel fairer. Besides, if this first-timer wolf is lynched on a pre-game day, s/he'll have no chance to try the best sides of wolvery, ie. the night discussions.

I think the new players will be in less danger if they know as little as everybody else. The idea was that the Wolves wouldn't be told their partners until Night1. That being the case the only thing they'd have to hide is that they themselves are Wolves. I'm against there being a Night before stage1 ends, but if you players think that it would be fair then I'll give a Night.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Another thing that bothers me is that I know I will feel bad if I have to choose between some innocentish experienced player and an only slightly suspicious newbie on the pre-game day. Lommy told me about this idea (I'm not sure if it was hers or Nog's) that there could be a first day when everybody speaks but no one is lynched, and only after that the pre-game days in groups of three. This would make it fairer- I bet it'll not be nice to be in the first group which has absolutely nothing to discuss.

That exactly is the idea of why I made up something like this...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We talked about the subject with Lommy. I just forgot to bring it forwards. So I really think that without a something like "normal" Day1 in the beginning there will be nothing to discuss not only on the first pre-Day but on most pre-Days. In case Volo throws people with a shared past and vocal playing style together they might talk a few pages but I'm afraid that more often than not we will end up with more silence than discussion or actual playing.

...but this here is a good idea. However I'll resrict it to a Day of chatting, and what more, I won't tell the Wolves who the others are.
No, actually I'll think about this:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

An idea to consider would also be that Volo could pick up one player more - so not 15, 18 or 21 but either 16, 19 or 22. Then we could actually lynch someone on this common Day1 and the lynched one would have a role revealed to everyone so we would actually have lots to talk about on the "pre-Game" stages as there would be everything from the first Day (and the wolves at least should have had a Night1 talk so that they could try strategies if they wished and the others could try to see those patterns in the discussions).

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you ask me, this complicates the game in vain. But I guess I'm not asked because I'm always the pessimist.

Oh, but I don't believe that you're more pessimistic than I am (generally, maybe not in this case, but...). I rather like the idea so I think I'll keep it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Aghh... Couldn't it be chosen randomly? It's not fair that someone dies because of eg. timezone if all have been suspected equally.

Ok.

Originally Posted by Groin and Ka

Do we have an actual day on when we will star playing?

Honestly, I don't know. The phantom's game lasted longer than I thought and I'm against both of somebody playing in two games at the same time and of a new game starting right after the preveous one, but since you are so eager... Just bantering. Seriously, 15 players isn't enough. I'll send PMs now.
How about Monday being Day0?

[Gil-Galad]

i accept ze invite.

[Volo]

i accept ze invite.

Great!

With three players more we will be able to start.

[Isabellkya]

This looks like a very interesting game... hehe.

Name: Izz E. Yumme

Title(s): QuiteQuietestQuiter

Equipment:
Plunger of DOOM
Gross Jaeger
Pint of Jager
Sharp Throwing knives
Sparta

Significant heroic deeds:
Trained a horse to walk on two feet.
Adopted a Jr. Balrog as my best friend

Star Sign: That bright shiny star in the sky - West
Favourite food: Asparagus and garlic
Favourite drink: Apple Juice, Jagermeister
Favourite sport: Throwing sticks in front of people as the walk
Favourite colour: green
Weirdest rumor you have heard about yourself: errr, haven't
Hobbies: Taking my pet for a walk, watching the clouds not-move
Tell us something that nobody else knows about you: I have five arms? I keep throwing knives hidden in my hair?

[Gil-Galad]

since i've been recently reading Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar saga, i shall go with one of his characters... hard to choose between Tomas or Arutha...

Name: Tomas Megarson
Title(s): Ashen-Shugar, Lord of Eagle Reaches, last of the Valheru
Equipment (among others):
Gold armour
Dragon helm
White and Gold longsword
White and Gold Shield
(Significant) heroic deeds:
Protected Elvandar from invasion
defeated a Wraith-lord
Star sign: five jewels.(five red stars basically)
Favourite food: elven food
Favourite drink: ale
Favourite sport: football (soccer)
Favourite colour: White and gold
Wierdest rumor you have heard about yourself: almost destroyed what i was protecting


serious i know... if we are going tolkien based let me know and i'l lre-write it for i suspect most are lost...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

serious i know... if we are going tolkien based let me know and i'l lre-write it for i suspect most are lost...

Anything goes, pretty much.

Two more players and we'll begin!

I decided that there'll be a Day0 before stage1. It is going to be a basic Day exept that there won't be a lynch.

[Thinlómien]

So are we going to vote or not?

[McCaber]

I would imagine not.

[Valier]

So did you decide on a start time for all this Volo or did I miss it? like when and for how long will day0 last and then when and for how long does each day/ and or night in stage 1 last and lastly stage 2. I need to know the time of day we will be playing, so I make sure I'm here.

So I also gather that Day 0 will be just an open day for everyone to chat, with no voting and no lynch, giving whatever three start day1 phase 1, something to talk about?

[Brinniel]

Name: Brinniel

Title(s): Brinn the Emo

Equipment (among others):
-long, black hair
-converse sneakers
-guitar
-skateboard
-shifty eyes
-razor blade
-an attitude

o(Significant) heroic deeds:
-Scared off the entire Rohan Cheerleading Squad by simply staring at them
-Won first prize in the First Annual Middle-earth Emo Rock Band Contest
-Skateboarded across Middle-earth in 40 days
-Made twenty orc children cry
-Caused the mental breakdown of a balrog

Star sign: Cancer (not the crab, the disease)

Favourite food: cigarettes (wait...that's not a food?)

Favourite drink: black coffee

Favourite sport: skateboarding

Favourite colour: black

Wierdest rumor you have heard about yourself: That I'm actually a happy person. I know, it's absurd.

Hobbies: Inflicting pain on myself and those I hate. Oh, and going to and playing in emo rock concerts.

Tell us something that nobody else knows about you: I used to be blonde. The horror!

[Gil-Galad]

i am confused about the stage rules, when i went to the game thread everyone was posting... and the way i understand the stage-rules that only certain people post during the day... so now i am lost and being branded quiet in the game....

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gil, plainly and simply: yesterDay it was Day 0.0, when all people posted and you and several others did not show up. Now there is the first of the Stage Days, when only me and two other people are posting, you have probably a PM from Volo when your Stage Day is (just don't tell us! That's supposed to be a secret only you know!).

And you can delete your post in the game thread. That's our Day now.

[Roa_Aoife]

It's a gladiator setting, Gil. Day 0.0 we all discussed and debated. Now the fights begin. Each 24 hour period has three people (a gifted, a wolf, and an ordo) who can post and vote, but only for each other. No one one knows anyone else's role, including the wolves. Your day has been assigned already. There are 7 of these battles for 21 players. At the end of these battles, we have a village of 14 and depending on what happened in the arena, we could have anywhere from 1-7 wolves, 1-7 gifteds, and 1-7 ordos.

Today the match up is between Legate, Menel, and Valier. In less than an hour, that battle will end with a lynch (we won't know the role of the dead) and the next battle begins between three new players who have already been assigned.

Does that help?

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Roa

that battle will end with a lynch (we won't know the role of the dead) and the next battle begins between three new players who have already been assigned.

Plus the night inbetween. Which, then the wolves will know who each other is, while specials and ordos will not. Same old rules apply, just this time there are only three players a day and the rest of us watch and wait. Plus, hoping we are not killed off during the night.

~ Ka

[Roa_Aoife]

To clarify, Ka, there's no Night between the individual battles, but there will be a Night phase after the end of the 7th battle. I assume at that point the "host" will be the starting wolf kill, the people who get to dream/hunt/whatever can do so, and the wolves meet and come up with a strategy, and game play will continue as normal.

[Volo]

I just recruited a handsome co-mod. Legate's words are the law from now on!

[THE Ka]

Legate's words are the law from now on!

Just kidding... He has an enjoyable writing style, and his 'teleportation' was rather good too, for which I'll have to pass a tip of the hat to Volo.

~ Ka

[THE Ka]

I was bored today, and had extra time on my hands...

So I decided to spend time with my brother for once, so we watched his favourite television show for a bit.

Forgot the name of it, but I saw a moose-creature that reminded me of Menel's, which led to me laughing and saying, 'The weremoose!!!'
Surprisingly enough, this moose also had a bad temper towards hunters. Hmm.

So here you are Menel, your weremoose:



Enjoy.

~ Curious Ka