Gollum do you pity him or hate him?

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Come on red, you have no pity for him? Well, that's fine I guess, but I have to disagree with what you said. I really dont think he was evil before the ring came along. When you said

you will see that Sméagol was evil from the beginning.

Do you mean from birth or from the moment the ring was found by Deagol?

before he ever touched the Ring

Well that, I really have to disagree with. The ring has powers; it has a lure, and it can be extremely strong at times. What about Boromir? He almost killed Frodo before he touched the ri- no, actually he never touched the ring. So you can't tell me that no one wants the ring until you touch it. It doesn't matter. Just to be around it, to see it, to even know about it, it's enough to make a person do anything to get it. Just look at Saruman. He never touched it, he only heard about it and he bread armies to search for it. He even tried to make one more powerful. And Bilbo and Frodo never had to do anything to get it. Bilbo came across it by accident or the ring chose him. He did not have to kill anybody for it or take or steal it. Frodo inherited it, he also did not have to do anything to get it. And he even had knowledge of the ring. And besides, Bilbo might have killed for the ring. What if Gollum had the nerve enough to go himself and see what Bilbo's got in his pocketses? Bilbo didn't even put it on yet he was extremely reluctant to even let Gollum know he had the ring.

My point is that Smeagol was not evil before the ring, therefore, I think that if you didn't have pity because you thought he was evil, you should because he was not evil. But if you still have no pity, that's fine with me.

[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]