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Old 01-31-2008, 08:34 AM   #1
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skip, thanks for reminding me of that! I haven't read the Tuor story in awhile, though I have been skimming many passages of Sil, UT, HoME etc. I'll remedy that omission to include the reference!

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Still, the Music says that it was the *voices* of the Ainur, *like unto* various instruments, not that such instruments were actually present. This doesn't necessarily mean that the Ainur opened their mouths and viol-sounds came out: it's a simile, rather like saying "Bob Dylan's voice is like unto a toad being sandpapered to death."
That's exactly what I meant! And thanks for the amusing use of simile!
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:32 AM   #2
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I'm not sure at the moment because I don't have my copy of TH with me, but didn't a couple of the dwarves have violins or something to that sort? I know that Thorin played a harp.
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Quite true, although in order for the writer -- presumably an Elf -- to make the comparison, there had to be extant instruments in his own time, or nobody reading what he wrote would understand what he was talking about.
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Old 01-31-2008, 03:59 PM   #4
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TGEW, the Dwarves in The Hobbit played: harp, drum, flutes, fiddles, clarinets, and viols. I think those are the most different instruments mentioned in any one passage of Tolkien's works.
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May one offer examples of situations in which instrumental music is not named, although possibly it might be expected? Not much has yet been said about LotR.

When women and children return to Gondor in preparation for the coronation of the King:

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. . . and from Dol Amroth came the harpers that harped most skilfully in all the land; and there were players upon viols and and upon flutes and upon horns of silver, and clear-voiced singers from the vales of Lebennin.
Trumpets herald the arrival of the Steward with the white rod of his office which he offers up to Aragorn. And trumpets of course announce the Coronation:

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And in that moment all the trumpets were blown, and the King Elessar went forth and came to the barrier, and Hurin of theKeys thrust it back; and amid the music of harp and of viol and of flute and the singing of clear voices the King passed through the flower-laden streets.
Yet amidst all this pomp and circumstance there is one more ceremony, one long-awaited, and one which banishes all fear of the night. The Nightengale arrives and is wedded to the King, yet not one mention is made of music of any sort, nary a trumpet or horn, let alone viols and harps and flutes.

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Then the King welcomed his guests, and they alighted; and Elrond surrended the sceptre, and laid the hand of his daughter in the hand of the King, and together they went up into the High City, and all the stars flowered in the sky. And Aragorn the King Elessar wedded Arwen Undomiel in the City of the Kings upon the day of Midsummer, and the tale of their long waiting and labours was come to fulfilment.
Granted of course that this wedding is highly symbolic, yet it is bereft of music, unless one counts the flowering of the stars as the music of the spheres.
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Thanks for the clarity! Of course I personally think that horns are musical instruments in cases, not in Boromir's case though to name an example.
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I'm now looking for recordings to 'illustrate', for lack of another word, my lecture. Unfortunately, though the Tolkien Ensemble has completed its LotR project, they have not composed music to the Hobbit songs, as far as I know. I do have the BBC dramatization of The Hobbit, so have heard its take on the music of the Dwarves. Do any of you know of other renditions? Does the animated Hobbit movie show their instruments/have a version of their playing and singing?

Preparing this topic is a very interesting project! As I have time, I'll post some of my discoveries by and by.
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If you're talking about the Rankin/Bass animated version, oh, yes, they had at least pieces of a surprising number of songs. I'm not sure Tolkien would've approved of them (some of them make me think of an old, old American TV show "Sing Along with Mitch"), but at least they didn't ignore them entirely. And in at least one case, rather than have all the verses literally sung, they had John Huston recite many of them, which, when one considers that "song" did not always mean "words set to music," it wasn't entirely inappropriate. Most of the songs in the R/B Hobbit at least came from the book (with one notable exception, that I can remember; it's been a LONG time since I saw the thing). One can't say the same for R/B's eminently forgettable attempt at RotK. *shudder*
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Old 03-20-2008, 04:40 AM   #9
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My attention was drawn to a book which analyzes musical affect in Shore's LotR soundtrack: Projecting Tolkien's Musical Worlds. Those of you who have read and posted here may be interested; I certainly am!
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This is just my brain interpreting things as I read them, but with the creation of Middle Earth based on music of the Ainur, I just assumed that the various races had an inbred ability to appreciate, and would make music using any number of musical instruments that suits their fancy.

And I think the most orc-ish song has to be AC/DC's Dirty Deeds.
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